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Singh - 29 Mar 2005 04:54 GMT
Boy I hope this works...

A certain nitwit by the name of Stormin Mormon tried to reconfigure this
monstrosity of a machine we have, and we've had nothing but trouble since. I
can get only a few messages before the window starts reading "message can
not be displayed."

I have so missed everyone, and writing about my babies! I've been trying for
over a week with no success.

We have also been devastated by the actions of a certain sometimes-poster
here, who attemptetd to adopt little Alexis, the FIV kitten I mentioned a
few weeks back. This person had the nerve to walk up to the woman who runs
the Tenth Chance shelter and tell her that the most appropriate way to
handle and discipline a cat is to leave mousetraps and carpet tacks on
counters so that the cat can have "aversion therapy," and was upset when he
was denied the cat. DUH!!! We know a guy whose cat died from complications
of broken paw bones from a accident of such a type. Louie and I were
mortified. You think you know people...

But our Odessa comes up to rub on us and Stosh, the gent, lets the ladies
eat first; Brandy kisses me awake in the morning and Roxie comes in
squeaking and trilling to get her little bit of "daddy time." Others may be
jerks, but I know we've done right by ours.

Blessed be,
Baha

--

Three thousand years ago,
cats were deified in ancient Egypt.
To this day, they have not forgotten.
KellyH - 29 Mar 2005 07:10 GMT
So *that's* what happened!  Glad we know the whole story.  Yeah, I would
have turned him down too.  How is Alexis?  Did she find a home?

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> Boy I hope this works...
>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> cats were deified in ancient Egypt.
> To this day, they have not forgotten.
Singh - 29 Mar 2005 15:48 GMT
> So *that's* what happened!  Glad we know the whole story.  Yeah, I would
> have turned him down too.  How is Alexis?  Did she find a home?

Not yet, unfortunately. We do have people helping us. One lady who fosters
enough cats to make a football team is discreetly asking among the patrons
of the Buffalo Philharmonic, and we're putting up signs at local vets aimed
at people with FIV cats who may like a companion for their kitties.

I'm told that when this so-and-so went to Petsmart to see Alexis, she cussed
at him and pushed him away even before he began his BS about laying
mousetraps as a method of "discipline." I tell you, I'll never fall for the
crap about "dumb animals." They're more on the ball than most of us
two-legs.

Needless to say, our friendship with this guy's gone into the toilet.

Blessed be,
Baha

> --
> -Kelly
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> > cats were deified in ancient Egypt.
> > To this day, they have not forgotten.
CatNipped - 29 Mar 2005 16:06 GMT
>> So *that's* what happened!  Glad we know the whole story.  Yeah, I would
>> have turned him down too.  How is Alexis?  Did she find a home?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Needless to say, our friendship with this guy's gone into the toilet.

I can't say I'm sorry.  Something never did "sit right" with me about him.
There were times here that I thought he was taking advantage of your
friendship and presuming upon it to forward his own agenda.

You're right, animals always seem to know - I know *I* should have paid
attention to my cat's judgement about my first husband, I would have saved
myself *TONS* of grief!!!

Hugs,

CatNipped

> Blessed be,
> Baha
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>> > cats were deified in ancient Egypt.
>> > To this day, they have not forgotten.
Singh - 29 Mar 2005 16:25 GMT
> > Needless to say, our friendship with this guy's gone into the toilet.
>
> I can't say I'm sorry.  Something never did "sit right" with me about him.
> There were times here that I thought he was taking advantage of your
> friendship and presuming upon it to forward his own agenda.

You too, huh? I got tired of the political stuff. He started sending some of
it to Louie at his job, which presented a problem: much of it was speaking
against AIDS (human) research and free medical care for the poor. Louie
works in a facility which handles the data for AIDS research and the effects
of community education and outreach to poor patients. Big, BIG oops! As in,
lose-yer-job oops.

I can't say I miss the so-and-so. These things go against my religious and
ethical beliefs, including the mousetrap stuff. Sikhs believe that animals,
unlike humans, never forget their creator and in that sense have one up on
us two-legs. We are called to show mercy to all beings: poor folks and
animals alike. I want to kick myself over this, though, because you think
you know people and you get rolled in the litter box!

Blessed be,
Baha

> You're right, animals always seem to know - I know *I* should have paid
> attention to my cat's judgement about my first husband, I would have saved
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
> >> > cats were deified in ancient Egypt.
> >> > To this day, they have not forgotten.
CatNipped - 30 Mar 2005 04:05 GMT
> > > Needless to say, our friendship with this guy's gone into the toilet.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> of community education and outreach to poor patients. Big, BIG oops! As in,
> lose-yer-job oops.

Yeah, that's the type of things I was picking up on.  He claimed to be a
practicing Mormin, but they things he sometimes said just goes against the
grain of someone who is truly religious.  I'm trying to think of the word I
would use to describe him, but I just keep coming up with fractious.  I
don't know, sort of abusive maybe.

> I can't say I miss the so-and-so. These things go against my religious and
> ethical beliefs, including the mousetrap stuff. Sikhs believe that animals,
> unlike humans, never forget their creator and in that sense have one up on
> us two-legs. We are called to show mercy to all beings: poor folks and
> animals alike. I want to kick myself over this, though, because you think
> you know people and you get rolled in the litter box!

Oh, don't beat yourself up over that.  I just recently got taken in *BIG*
time (as people here can attest!!).  I said then, and I still believe it,
I'd rather trust and be hurt than never trust.  I know I leave myself open
to be hurt that way, but that's just the risks you take when you're willing
to love and extend friendship without judgement (until you're forced to
judge).

I agree with you about animals, maybe not the way your religion states it,
but it works out the same in practice.  I see them as the ultimate
"innocents" in the world.  Instead of using and abusing them because we have
power over them, we should *protect* because we have power over them.  I
don't think power need corrupt - I think power should be used with the
greatest responsibility.

Hugs,

CatNipped

> Blessed be,
> Baha
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
> > >> > cats were deified in ancient Egypt.
> > >> > To this day, they have not forgotten.
Seanette Blaylock - 30 Mar 2005 04:26 GMT
"CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> had some very interesting things
to say about Re: Boy I hope this works!!!:

>Yeah, that's the type of things I was picking up on.  He claimed to be a
>practicing Mormin, but they things he sometimes said just goes against the
>grain of someone who is truly religious.  I'm trying to think of the word I
>would use to describe him, but I just keep coming up with fractious.  I
>don't know, sort of abusive maybe.

Not meaning to be nasty, but he also missed big-time on at least one
statement of the teachings of the Church (I *am* an active Mormon, and
our scriptures explicitly state that animals will share in the
Resurrection. He didn't know that?).

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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL
Singh - 30 Mar 2005 04:42 GMT
I remember that teaching dearly. It was one of my favorite things to discuss
with the local Bishopric, and we often spent hours thus speaking on the
nature of the soul. (Did you know I once was an active LDS?)

Once I'd wanted Sto'Mo to give a priesthood blessing to Odessa, to help her
integrate, and he refused on the basis that animals have different souls and
would not respond. Why would we allow that in a Sikh home? Because we
believe that LDS and other faiths do have truth, and that the blessing is
conferred through sincerity of heart and purity of soul. We have a very
ecumenical belief system.

The blessing came from a Pagan, who has a magical touch with cats. And from
her mama, who offered her prayers for the poor troubled girl. She's
integrated beautifully, thank the God of all faiths!

Blessed be,
Baha
> "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> had some very interesting things
> to say about Re: Boy I hope this works!!!:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding.
> :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL
Seanette Blaylock - 30 Mar 2005 05:00 GMT
"Singh" <bahadur@localnet.com> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: Boy I hope this works!!!:

>I remember that teaching dearly. It was one of my favorite things to discuss
>with the local Bishopric, and we often spent hours thus speaking on the
>nature of the soul. (Did you know I once was an active LDS?)

I'd kind of picked up on that. :-)

>Once I'd wanted Sto'Mo to give a priesthood blessing to Odessa, to help her
>integrate, and he refused on the basis that animals have different souls and
>would not respond. Why would we allow that in a Sikh home? Because we
>believe that LDS and other faiths do have truth, and that the blessing is
>conferred through sincerity of heart and purity of soul. We have a very
>ecumenical belief system.

Funny, we believe that any religion has some portion of the truth, but
believe we have a little more than others ;-) (but are very clear that
we have much to learn when we're ready for it (smile)).

My DH has actually given Felix blessings as we deemed it necessary.
Seemed to help the cat, and there weren't any lightning bolts or
anything. :-)

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doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding.

:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:58 GMT
Interesting to hear. I hope they were of some help.

Did your husband get words of counsell by the Spirit?

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"Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote in

My DH has actually given Felix blessings as we deemed it necessary.
Seemed to help the cat, and there weren't any lightning bolts or
anything. :-)

Tanada - 30 Mar 2005 06:41 GMT
> The blessing came from a Pagan, who has a magical touch with cats. And from
> her mama, who offered her prayers for the poor troubled girl. She's
> integrated beautifully, thank the God of all faiths!

I'm glad that the blessing worked out for Odessa.  All religions have
their own truths, and I believe that we can each learn from them all.

Pam S.
Jo Firey - 30 Mar 2005 07:12 GMT
>I remember that teaching dearly. It was one of my favorite things to
>discuss
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> conferred through sincerity of heart and purity of soul. We have a very
> ecumenical belief system.

Its been my privilege in the past thirty years to live in a community that
has an active and growing Sikh community.  In that time my husband has gone
from referring to anyone who wore any sort of a turban as a raghead, to
having animated and enjoyable discussions with the father of one of my
clients.  He learned that to call a Sikh a Hindu is only an expression of
ones own ignorance, similar to calling an Arab a Jew.

There has been a Sikh community here for a long time but it began to expand
about the same time we moved here, and its been like taking a class in
sociology to watch that community adjust and adapt as their children and
grandchildren are born and grow up here.

I have tremendous respect for their ability to adapt the changes and still
hold on to traditions.  To allow for varying degrees of (for lack of a
better word) devotion among themselves.  I'm very impressed by their
acceptance of others belief systems.  It comes across as "we have what we
have.  we would be happy to explain it to you or to share it with you.  but
we do not find fault with anyone else's deeply held belief either."

Oh, that and the walks.  At least locally many if not most of them are on a
health kick and are seen out for their morning and evenings walks all over
the area.  That is the sort of thing that really breaks down artificial
barriers between groups.

Jo
Singh - 30 Mar 2005 17:40 GMT
(snipping myself...owch!)
> Its been my privilege in the past thirty years to live in a community that
> has an active and growing Sikh community.  In that time my husband has gone
> from referring to anyone who wore any sort of a turban as a raghead, to
> having animated and enjoyable discussions with the father of one of my
> clients.  He learned that to call a Sikh a Hindu is only an expression of
> ones own ignorance, similar to calling an Arab a Jew.
Our own community seems to have grown exponentially in recent months. It
seems to run a wide gamut from strict traditionalists to New Agey types like
me, but we run on the same nuts and bolts: remember and love God(dess),
share what you have, love all fellowbeings because the divine creator is in
everything. That's why the Gurus made provisions in the teachings for the
spirits of our animal companions.

> I have tremendous respect for their ability to adapt the changes and still
> hold on to traditions.  To allow for varying degrees of (for lack of a
> better word) devotion among themselves.  I'm very impressed by their
> acceptance of others belief systems.  It comes across as "we have what we
> have.  we would be happy to explain it to you or to share it with you.  but
> we do not find fault with anyone else's deeply held belief either."
The ecumenical or Unitarian outlook is one of the things that attracted me
most, because to me faith is a personal thing, and who am I to say who has
the whole truth? What matters is how I walk the walk, and if someone wants
to take that walk with me, it's cool.

> Oh, that and the walks.  At least locally many if not most of them are on a
> health kick and are seen out for their morning and evenings walks all over
> the area.  That is the sort of thing that really breaks down artificial
> barriers between groups.
Yeah, those walks too. :-) Cars are not as common in India as in the West,
and people either take trains or buses, or bike, or walk. Same thing here,
and one which for the sake of my waistline I should better emulate!

Blessed be,
Baha

> Jo
Kreisleriana - 30 Mar 2005 18:05 GMT
>The ecumenical or Unitarian outlook is one of the things that attracted me
>most, because to me faith is a personal thing, and who am I to say who has
>the whole truth? What matters is how I walk the walk, and if someone wants
>to take that walk with me, it's cool.

BTW, do you know why it's dangerous to piss off a Unitarian?

They might burn a question mark on your lawn. ;)

Theresa
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My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Singh - 31 Mar 2005 16:13 GMT
> BTW, do you know why it's dangerous to piss off a Unitarian?
>
> They might burn a question mark on your lawn. ;)

Ouch... :-)

> Theresa
> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:58 GMT
Several years ago, the subject came up. I had a friend who had several cats.
One was sick, and asked me to give the cat a blessing. I wasn't sure, as at
that time I'd only been an elder for a couple months.

I asked the Stake President (who is still a friend of mine). He replied, and
I'll write from memory "no, it wouldn't be appropriate because animals don't
have the same kind of souls such as you or I. However, we can pray for
animals."

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I remember that teaching dearly. It was one of my favorite things to discuss
with the local Bishopric, and we often spent hours thus speaking on the
nature of the soul. (Did you know I once was an active LDS?)

Once I'd wanted Sto'Mo to give a priesthood blessing to Odessa, to help her
integrate, and he refused on the basis that animals have different souls and
would not respond. Why would we allow that in a Sikh home? Because we
believe that LDS and other faiths do have truth, and that the blessing is
conferred through sincerity of heart and purity of soul. We have a very
ecumenical belief system.

The blessing came from a Pagan, who has a magical touch with cats. And from
her mama, who offered her prayers for the poor troubled girl. She's
integrated beautifully, thank the God of all faiths!

Blessed be,
Baha
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:50 GMT
Nope, don't remember ever hearing that.

Do you have a reference? Preferably something I can check online, like a
conference talk?

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"CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> had some very interesting things
to say about Re: Boy I hope this works!!!:

>Yeah, that's the type of things I was picking up on.  He claimed to be a
>practicing Mormin, but they things he sometimes said just goes against the
>grain of someone who is truly religious.  I'm trying to think of the word I
>would use to describe him, but I just keep coming up with fractious.  I
>don't know, sort of abusive maybe.

Not meaning to be nasty, but he also missed big-time on at least one
statement of the teachings of the Church (I *am* an active Mormon, and
our scriptures explicitly state that animals will share in the
Resurrection. He didn't know that?).

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"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be
doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding.

:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL
Seanette Blaylock - 09 Apr 2005 20:41 GMT
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> had some very
interesting things to say about Re: Boy I hope this works!!!:

>Nope, don't remember ever hearing that.
>Do you have a reference? Preferably something I can check online, like a
>conference talk?

D&C 77

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Singh - 30 Mar 2005 04:34 GMT
> > > > Needless to say, our friendship with this guy's gone into the toilet.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> would use to describe him, but I just keep coming up with fractious.  I
> don't know, sort of abusive maybe.
That was why I recommended him for Alexis initially; I'd been Mormon, and
while I didn't know him in those days I do know that LDS teach about using
power--in his case, the power accorded their priesthood--wisely, mercifully
and responsibly. Plus he seemed okay with my cats, and had never said a word
about the abusive attitudes of "discipline." The Mormons I consulted with on
this cat fiasco were horrified to hear of it. When the head of Tenth Chance
called me to tell me that under no circumstances was he going to get Alexis
or any cat, he went bat$#!t, accused them of gossiping, and sent me a series
of emails detailing how he was going to send some evil messages to this
group, to Petsmart and Tenth Chance. Louie and I were PO'd because we felt
like we'd been screwed and lied to, and because we do a lot of fundraising
and word of mouth for them.

> > I can't say I miss the so-and-so. These things go against my religious and
> > ethical beliefs, including the mousetrap stuff. Sikhs believe that
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> don't think power need corrupt - I think power should be used with the
> greatest responsibility.
We teach that because they are the uncorrupted innocents, animals are
blessed with rememberance of the God/dess. We have a scripture, that a king
with his riches and possessions who thinks nothing of his creator, are not
equal to an ant, "who in its mind never forgets God."

Blessed be,
Baha
Debbie Wilson - 30 Mar 2005 08:48 GMT
> We teach that because they are the uncorrupted innocents, animals are
> blessed with rememberance of the God/dess. We have a scripture, that a king
> with his riches and possessions who thinks nothing of his creator, are not
> equal to an ant, "who in its mind never forgets God."

I think that is a wonderful teaching. Animals are always innocent, which
is why it is so grievous when harm is done to them. What a beautiful
scripture. I never knew that the Sikh religion made provision for
animals in this way. :-)

Deb.
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Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:58 GMT
Lied to. Is that like reading a message board, and finding out that someone
has been writing a lot of news group posts about you which are untrue? Or
half truth?

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Louie and I were PO'd because we felt
like we'd been screwed and lied to, and because we do a lot of fundraising
and word of mouth for them.

Blessed be,
Baha
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:58 GMT
Yep, I did accuse them of gossiping. When the lady from 10th chance called
you, and told you a bunch of stuff that she didn't tell me, that was gossip.

Over dinner, you asked if I'd like you to call the lady back and tell her
exactly how I felt. I replied no, because that would be gossip. You see, if
people talk with each other directly, that's communication. If one person is
writing or talking about another, that can be gossip, or can be the usual
personal interaction.

I remember that you looked very surprised when I asked you not to call her
back and tell her what I said.

I did write a couple letters, explaining what had happened, and that I
wasn't impressed by the lady who called you on the phone rather than talking
to me directly.

I'm not at all surprised that the Mormons you consulted were upset. If I
were to tell my friends about "a friend" and then read word for word  what
you have written about me (said that I did), I'm sure they would be upset.
However, if I told them what actually (in my memory) happened, their
reaction would be much different.

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Plus he seemed okay with my cats, and had never said a word
about the abusive attitudes of "discipline." The Mormons I consulted with on
this cat fiasco were horrified to hear of it. When the head of Tenth Chance
called me to tell me that under no circumstances was he going to get Alexis
or any cat, he went bat$#!t, accused them of gossiping, and sent me a series
of emails detailing how he was going to send some evil messages to this
group, to Petsmart and Tenth Chance. Louie and I were PO'd because we felt
like we'd been screwed and lied to, and because we do a lot of fundraising
and word of mouth for them.
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:43 GMT
I've forwarded a lot of articles. I only remember once that Louie asked me
to slow down -- his comment was that he's very busy at work. If he (or you)
had said anything to me, I would have not sent any more articles. Actually,
the one time I did hear from Louie, I cut the email volume way, way down.

It sure works better when you tell people things directly. I'm only too
happy to stop sending articles -- but you have to tell me.

If you don't say something, then YOU are to blame when people continue to be
themselves. Very often, folks respond "Oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't know that
was offensive, I'll try  not to do it again". But if you just remain silent,
YOU have no cause to complain about people continuing to be themselves.

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You too, huh? I got tired of the political stuff. He started sending some of
it to Louie at his job, which presented a problem: much of it was speaking
against AIDS (human) research and free medical care for the poor. Louie
works in a facility which handles the data for AIDS research and the effects
of community education and outreach to poor patients. Big, BIG oops! As in,
lose-yer-job oops.

Blessed be,
Baha
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:43 GMT
I must say I am rather hurt by this. Much of what you're writing could have
been easily corrected, if you would communicate with me directly. However,
you've chosen to post complaints on the RPCA message board, instead of
talking with me directly.

Who's been rolled in the litter box, here? From my point of view, I've tried
to be open and honest. Also from my point of view, you've got a list of
things you don't like about me. Rather than tell me about them (so I can do
something) you post your complaints on RPCA.

Who's being open in communication and trying to keep the friendship working?
(After all, I've been trying!) And who is complaining in a public forum,
without giving me a chance to fix things?

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I can't say I miss the so-and-so. These things go against my religious and
ethical beliefs, including the mousetrap stuff. Sikhs believe that animals,
unlike humans, never forget their creator and in that sense have one up on
us two-legs. We are called to show mercy to all beings: poor folks and
animals alike. I want to kick myself over this, though, because you think
you know people and you get rolled in the litter box!

Blessed be,
Baha
-L. - 09 Apr 2005 17:26 GMT
> I must say I am rather hurt by this. Much of what you're writing could have
> been easily corrected, if you would communicate with me directly. However,
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I know you feel the need to defend yourself.  But FWIW, I and probably
many others skipped most of this thread because it seemed like petty
gossip.  You're only drawing attention to it again after it had died a
natural death, which I think serves no one.

If you think you might still be intersted in adopting a cat, go to a
Humane Society and educate yourself about cat behavior. (NOT a local
small non-profit or rescue group.  If you want to know why I feel this
way, send me an email.)   Talk to an adoption counselor about cat
behaior and things you feel you could and could not tolerate in a pet.
A professional's opinion can go far in helping you to make your
decision.  And people at the Humane Society generally are very open to
helping someone decide if and when a pet is a good fit for them - they
see it as an ounce of prevention.

Best of luck to you,
-L.
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 20:50 GMT
I do wish to apologize to anyone who is tired of this conversation. It isn't
my intent to trouble any of you with people problems (on a cat board). It
just took me a lot by surprise, what I've read. And yes, I did feel the need
to balance with the other point of view.

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I know you feel the need to defend yourself.  But FWIW, I and probably
many others skipped most of this thread because it seemed like petty
gossip.  You're only drawing attention to it again after it had died a
natural death, which I think serves no one.

If you think you might still be intersted in adopting a cat, go to a
Humane Society and educate yourself about cat behavior. (NOT a local
small non-profit or rescue group.  If you want to know why I feel this
way, send me an email.)   Talk to an adoption counselor about cat
behaior and things you feel you could and could not tolerate in a pet.
A professional's opinion can go far in helping you to make your
decision.  And people at the Humane Society generally are very open to
helping someone decide if and when a pet is a good fit for them - they
see it as an ounce of prevention.

Best of luck to you,
-L.
SuzQ - 30 Mar 2005 23:59 GMT
They're more on the ball than most of us
> two-legs.
>
> Needless to say, our friendship with this guy's gone into the toilet.

I can't say I'm sorry.  Something never did "sit right" with me about
him.

There were times here that I thought he was taking advantage of your
friendship and presuming upon it to forward his own agenda.

You're right, animals always seem to know - I know *I* should have paid
attention to my cat's judgement about my first husband, I would have
saved

myself *TONS* of grief!!!

Hugs,

CatNipped

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I've found that Spicey is a good judge of potential aides. She wasn't fond
of one last summer, and she ended up not working out. She liked the next
one and she's still working for me.
Suz&Spicey
Smokie Darling (Annie) - 29 Mar 2005 18:24 GMT
> > So *that's* what happened!  Glad we know the whole story.  Yeah, I would
> > have turned him down too.  How is Alexis?  Did she find a home?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Blessed be,
> Baha

If I were closer, I'd take the kitty.  I've got an FIV cat, all she
does these days is lay around, eat and potty, but I still adore her
(she was my first "very own" kitty) she's 16 now, I "think" she was Dxd
in 96 or thereabouts.  Odd that I can't remember that isn't it?

The original TED basically said I should euthanize her (she didn't even
appear sick), but his partner told me that he was doing a "study" on
FIVs and he'd help me keep her as healthy as possible (he necropsied
Madison who we "think" brought the FIV into the house).

> > --
> > -Kelly
> > kelly at farringtons dot net
> > "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG
Annie Wxill - 30 Mar 2005 02:58 GMT
> If I were closer, I'd take the kitty.  I've got an FIV cat, all she
> does these days is lay around, eat and potty, but I still adore her...
>> > -Kelly

Maybe the members of this newsgroup could arrange for a relay of sorts to
transport the cat.
Where is the general location of the cat now? And where are you?  Maybe
there are enough people in between to get her to you.
Annie
Singh - 30 Mar 2005 04:09 GMT
I am just outside Buffalo, New York. Alexis is housed with foster-mama
Marilyn (the same one who fostered our Brandy, so I can vouch for how good
she is to her little charges.) She is in Lockport, NY, about 20 miles or so
outside Buffalo. The shelter Tenth Chance shows their cats at a Petsmart in
Amherst and they've shown Alexis, but people back off when they learn she's
FIV. She's a cute kitty, a longhaired tuxie, approximately eight months old
and healthy as the proverbial horse. Next to no "viral load," to use a human
AIDS term. (Viral load is how much of the virus is actually in the system.
Some people have just anibodies and don't seem to go full-blown; others have
a near volcanic viral load, they're the ones who are full-blown or about to
be.) Alexis is playful and intelligent, and itching to get out of Marilyn's
bedroom.

If we can set up a relay I'm willing to help. Tenth Chance is meticulous
about interviewing potential adopters and will want to speak to anyone
putting a bid in for Alexis. I am willing to help with the $70.00 adoption
fee if necessary. I can arrange for a "phone appointment" for the interview
and see how it can be done.

This time I want to do it right. After the fiasco with the person who
suggested putting carpet tacks and mousetraps on counters so a cat would
learn not to jump on them, I want to help find a true cat lover like you
all.

Blessed be,
Baha

> > If I were closer, I'd take the kitty.  I've got an FIV cat, all she
> > does these days is lay around, eat and potty, but I still adore her...
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> there are enough people in between to get her to you.
> Annie
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:50 GMT
People tend to be fairly consistent in how they treat others. A person who
is charitable with strangers will often be charitable with family, and
neighbors. A person who will drive an hour and a half to fix a leaky faucet,
go Kareoke, or install a sump pump, or go to dinner will often be friendly
and helpful with other folks. A person who steals from a store will likely
steal from your house. A person who complains on a public message board
(without telling the person about it) will often complain about others
without giving YOU the chance to know what you did wrong, or to correct the
problem.

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This time I want to do it right. After the fiasco with the person who
suggested putting carpet tacks and mousetraps on counters so a cat would
learn not to jump on them, I want to help find a true cat lover like you
all.

Blessed be,
Baha
Adrian - 30 Mar 2005 14:44 GMT
>> So *that's* what happened!  Glad we know the whole story.  Yeah, I
>> would have turned him down too.  How is Alexis?  Did she find a home?
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Blessed be,
> Baha

I for one am glad he no longer seems to be posting here. (one should
always take notice of a cat's opinion) But I'm glad you're back and able
to post again and look forward to more stories about your babies. Happy
purrday to Odessa.
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Singh - 31 Mar 2005 16:24 GMT
> > I'm told that when this so-and-so went to Petsmart to see Alexis, she
> > cussed at him and pushed him away even before he began his BS about
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I for one am glad he no longer seems to be posting here. (one should
> always take notice of a cat's opinion)
Marilyn did notice; she is very attuned to her babies and bases adoption
approvals on how the cat reacts as well as how the two-leg does in the
interview. She tried to steer him to other cats before the head of the
shelter stepped in. The little so-and-so was rather adamant about Alexis and
started spouting stuff about his priesthood, and how he was recommended for
Alexis (my bad!), and took it as conspiratorial that he was being steered
away. My word would be paranoid... he insisted on the interview and that was
when the mousetraps came up. The shelter people nearly threw him out, and he
threw a fit when they called me to tell me to keep him away from my cats,
and that they'd be notifying all shelters in Erie and Monroe counties to
blacklist him if possible. Word got to his bishop (clergyman in Mormonspeak)
and I understand he got one helluva lecture. Serves him right.

But I'm glad you're back
Thanks!!! :-)

> to post again and look forward to more stories about your babies. Happy
> purrday to Odessa.
More kitty stories forthcoming, and I'll have pictures soon too. I just need
to know how to get them running!

Blessed be,
Baha
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 16:06 GMT
A bit too much to reply all at once up top. I'll insert a few comments.

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Marilyn did notice; she is very attuned to her babies and bases adoption
approvals on how the cat reacts as well as how the two-leg does in the
interview.
CY: As I remember you saying, they had tried to give her a worm pill shortly
before I got there.

She tried to steer him to other cats before the head of the
shelter stepped in. The little so-and-so was rather adamant about Alexis
CY: After all, Alexis was why I was there. I candidly don't remember if she
suggested other cats.

and
started spouting stuff about his priesthood, and how he was recommended for
Alexis (my bad!),
CY: Now, we totally disagree. I don't remember mentioning anything about
priesthood or church in any form during the interview. Yes, I did mention
that you wanted me to interview Alexis.

and took it as conspiratorial that he was being steered
away. My word would be paranoid... he insisted on the interview and that was
when the mousetraps came up.
CY: I've never thought that was conspiratorial. As for interview, we did
discuss pets and I've written about that in an earlier post.

The shelter people nearly threw him out,
CY: They never said anything impolite to me. The lady did say that they
would not be able to adopt me this or any other cat.  I notice that she did
what you, also, are doing. She just cast me off with 1) not telling me what
was wrong, and 2) not taking any effort to teach me a better way to do
things.

and he
threw a fit when they called me to tell me to keep him away from my cats,
CY: I don't know how you get to the level of "threw a fit". Would you give
some specific behaviours?

and that they'd be notifying all shelters in Erie and Monroe counties to
blacklist him if possible.
CY: Here is another example of folks not communicating directly. This is the
first I've heard of it.

Word got to his bishop (clergyman in Mormonspeak)
and I understand he got one helluva lecture. Serves him right.
CY: Actually, I did get an email from the Bishop. He said that an Elizabeth
Sing (he wasn't sure if he spelled it right, and I use his spelling). She
was quite upset. He asked how involved I wanted him to be, and if he could
be any help. There was no lecture. So, I don't know where you heard that.

But I'm glad you're back
Thanks!!! :-)
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:35 GMT
You don't yet know the whole story. Because you have only heard from one
person. I'll write some more.

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> So *that's* what happened!  Glad we know the whole story.  Yeah, I would
> have turned him down too.  How is Alexis?  Did she find a home?
Dan M - 29 Mar 2005 11:25 GMT
> Boy I hope this works...

It did. Welcome back@ We've missed you.

Dan
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:35 GMT
I missed you too. Sure is unusual not to hear from you in several weeks.

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Singh wrote:

> Boy I hope this works...

It did. Welcome back@ We've missed you.

Dan
Susan M - 30 Mar 2005 05:08 GMT
> But our Odessa comes up to rub on us and Stosh, the gent, lets the ladies
> eat first; Brandy kisses me awake in the morning and Roxie comes in
> squeaking and trilling to get her little bit of "daddy time." Others may
> be
> jerks, but I know we've done right by ours.

Well, I'm glad you've got your happy crew!  I'm sorry about that whole
mousetrap and tack thing - that's terrible and I'm glad that he was refused.
I'm sorry that you and DH put yourselves out for him and got burned.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:58 GMT
You may have a different view, after hearing the other side.

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Well, I'm glad you've got your happy crew!  I'm sorry about that whole
mousetrap and tack thing - that's terrible and I'm glad that he was refused.
I'm sorry that you and DH put yourselves out for him and got burned.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Tanada - 30 Mar 2005 06:29 GMT
> But our Odessa comes up to rub on us and Stosh, the gent, lets the ladies
> eat first; Brandy kisses me awake in the morning and Roxie comes in
> squeaking and trilling to get her little bit of "daddy time." Others may be
> jerks, but I know we've done right by ours.

Sorry that things got all kinds of buggy for you, Baha.  Sometimes the
people you know are your worst enemies.  Glad the kitties are taking
care of you and welcome back to the fold.

Pam S.
Stormin Mormon - 09 Apr 2005 15:35 GMT
When I worked on your computer, I think I remember telling you that there
were a couple settings I wasn't sure about. That I'd have to go home and
check my own computer, see what the settings were. I did that, but havn't
heard back from you. Now, to the message board and on March 28 you're
writing and calling me names.

Now, seeing as how you weren't in the store when the lady and I were
discussing, it falls to me to tell you what I remember happened.

She asked if I had a cat in the past. Yes, I did. She asked how was my
experience. I was fine with the cat, except that he wanted to be on top of
the tables, counters, computer, television,e tc.

She asked what I tried, and I replied that I'd tried shouting, and putting
the cat down. After asking a couple friends, I also tried squirt bottle
(reccomended). And when this didn't work, tried mouse traps. About this
time, I went back to the humane society, and asked the people there. And
they gave me a couple more ideas.

Now, lets get the conversational slant right. I did not at any time tell her
what was "the right way" to do anything. I was relating, honestly, what I
had tried. Second point that bears mentioning. This was my first cat. I've
got no formal or informal education on cat owning. I asked several friends,
and also went back to the humane society to ask them. I'm in the process of
learning.

Lets also keep things accurate. I have never used, nor did I mention carpet
tacks. I don't know where that came from, but it didn't come from me.

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Boy I hope this works...

A certain nitwit by the name of Stormin Mormon tried to reconfigure this
monstrosity of a machine we have, and we've had nothing but trouble since. I
can get only a few messages before the window starts reading "message can
not be displayed."

I have so missed everyone, and writing about my babies! I've been trying for
over a week with no success.

We have also been devastated by the actions of a certain sometimes-poster
here, who attemptetd to adopt little Alexis, the FIV kitten I mentioned a
few weeks back. This person had the nerve to walk up to the woman who runs
the Tenth Chance shelter and tell her that the most appropriate way to
handle and discipline a cat is to leave mousetraps and carpet tacks on
counters so that the cat can have "aversion therapy," and was upset when he
was denied the cat. DUH!!! We know a guy whose cat died from complications
of broken paw bones from a accident of such a type. Louie and I were
mortified. You think you know people...

But our Odessa comes up to rub on us and Stosh, the gent, lets the ladies
eat first; Brandy kisses me awake in the morning and Roxie comes in
squeaking and trilling to get her little bit of "daddy time." Others may be
jerks, but I know we've done right by ours.

Blessed be,
Baha

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To this day, they have not forgotten.

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