I am having problems with my ISP/phone company. We say the problem is
somewhere in their 30-40 year old lines and connecting greenboxes.
Ever since the high wind, rain, snow last Monday. Maybe there is a
short somewhere or a loose chip. It acts like a loose connection.
At any rate, although we can get a connection, it only talks to the
computer when it feels like it for a minute at a time. I can upload a
text message easily; but downloading takes forever with frequent
re-clicking the send or restarting the email program. The same with
the newsgroup.
i cannot put the pictures we took into the We Met folder cause I can't
stay connected long enough. But Hopitus has a copy of the pictures. If
she can't upload them, then jeff will do it next time we go visit.
I can't even pay my bills online anymore. I hope snail mail gets them
there on time. I won't be able to view any pictures or see anything
but text email.
Jeff has checked all the wiring and connections in the house. And then
he took his laptop with a pigtail and connected it to the green box
outside. Still the same problem. So we know it is not our problem. The
man came from the phone company and used his gizmo for a minute and
said everything was ok. Sure, it works for a minute here and there.
But he isn't allowed to stay longer to check it out. And they want $70
for the truck to come out again for the same worthless checkup. No
way!
We have decided to wait it out. Maybe someone else in the area will
complain and get better results. So we have little internet access
now. And for the next year or two. We have decided to save our money
and get satellite. Jeff talked to a guy awhile back that said we could
get it for $500 for the hardware install and $60 a month. But the guy
also said it was likely to go down in a year or two. Maybe it will be
down by the time we save up the money.
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Mary - 24 Mar 2005 04:05 GMT
"CATherine" <pepsicola5cents@drop.me.bigsandytelco.com> wrote :
> We have decided to wait it out. Maybe someone else in the area will
> complain and get better results. So we have little internet access
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> also said it was likely to go down in a year or two. Maybe it will be
> down by the time we save up the money.
Is there no cable Internet service? We used Roadrunner for
years and it was ten times faster than any dialup and worked
out to be cheaper than dialup because we did not need to use
an extra phone line. We now use DSL because we got a better
deal on our home networking. Anyway--cable for you would
be great because it would bypass all the wiring you are talking
about.
CATherine - 25 Mar 2005 03:38 GMT
>"CATherine" <pepsicola5cents@drop.me.bigsandytelco.com> wrote :
>>
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>be great because it would bypass all the wiring you are talking
>about.
No, we live out in the boondocks. Our phone company/server requires
you to be within 7 wire miles of the source. We are well outside of
that.
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CATherine
Karen - 24 Mar 2005 04:16 GMT
> I am having problems with my ISP/phone company. We say the problem is
> somewhere in their 30-40 year old lines and connecting greenboxes.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> for the truck to come out again for the same worthless checkup. No
> way!
I work for an independant phone company in a rural area. That old copper
carrier is probably 861. The equipment up to your box is THEIR equipment and
they must pay to keep it up. That's the whole thing behind some of all those
lovely fees we all pay (USF and subscriber line charges on EVERYone's phone
bills). It's the repeaters that get wet and drop but they CAN be tweaked
(although it is tough until it is drier and yes, they may have to come out
frequently to do it). But don't let them tell you you have to pay for a
truck roll. You only have to pay if they troubleshoot something and it is in
YOUR equipment (usually from the box outside the house on into the house).
Most companies also have a 2 or 3 dollar charge called something like
maintainence that then the company can fix things without a service call
charge but only the materials they use in your equipment. Check and make
sure you haven't been paying that all along because that also negates the 70
dollar charge. DON'T let that company hose you. Sometimes it is just that
the customer service person you are talking to does not understand that you
want your line checked and you mean THEIR equipment UP TO your equipment. I
know where of I speak. I deal with this very thing daily. Also, harp on them
asking when you are going to have your lines upgraded. Congress is pretty
behind this. Rural customers have more pull than they know. Especially if
neighbors are interested, if you guys pull together and keep demanding
upgrades for better internet, they are going to have to listen to you. Who
is your LOCAL phone company (the ones you send your local payment for local
service to?)? I would be interested in knowing their name. I might be able
to find some info for you. But regardless, they should check your lines when
you ask at NO CHARGE as long as they are checking THEIR part of the
equipment. We have customers up to 30 miles from the nearest switch. That is
still OUR equipment. Tell the company that you KNOW that there is a national
pool everyone pays into (again, the subscriber line charges) that goes to
help the company maintain THEIR part of the line. In reality a local phone
in a rural area would *actually* cost about 250$ a month to maintain if it
were not for these fees. The company gets money from this national pool for
these very purposes. It all evens out because of the low actual cost of line
(plant maintainence) in towns and populated areas. That makes me really mad.
Don't let them do that to you. (ok. Rant off). :)
> We have decided to wait it out. Maybe someone else in the area will
> complain and get better results. So we have little internet access
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> also said it was likely to go down in a year or two. Maybe it will be
> down by the time we save up the money.
I tell you what, find out which Congressman in your area is pulling for
internet access to rural areas (there is bound to be one) and really beg
them for help. It works. Believe me, we've had many calls from Tom Osbornes
office. Now, I admit, my company was extremely pro-active about all this and
started our upgrades before they were in a position to be forced to do it,
but it is a legitimate cause you can press politically as well as from a
customer stand point. For many rural customers, the internet is their main
or supplemental income provider now and for small farms it is important.
States want to keep their populations distributed and so I am certain that
you have some congressman who would listen to you on this matter. But still,
maybe with this info you can get some action from your company too. (I hope
it is not Qwest).
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> CATherine
CATherine - 25 Mar 2005 04:05 GMT
>> I am having problems with my ISP/phone company.
>
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>(plant maintainence) in towns and populated areas. That makes me really mad.
>Don't let them do that to you. (ok. Rant off). :)
We have Big Sandy Telecom for phone and internet. They are a small
rural company. I just looked at my phone bill and there is no
maintenance charge. There is something called FUSF Charge Singleline
costing 70 cents. I don't know what that is.
We didn't contact them again. But maybe someone else did. The problem
mysteriously cleared up this evening and is working better than it has
in a long time. Maybe some rich, important rancher or tax payer, voter
complained.
I am saving your message. There is some good information there in case
this ever happens again. Thanks. It is nice to have "connections"!!
;-D
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CATherine
Karen - 25 Mar 2005 04:09 GMT
>>> I am having problems with my ISP/phone company.
>>
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> --
> CATherine
Big Sandy. Hmmm. Definitely if it is an independant, get on them when you
need stuff like that. We are an independant too. I'm glad it is working
better. Most likely, someone pushed and cranked harder. But you shouldn't
have to. The USF charge is one of the many fees that go into evening out
phone service costs. At any rate, I KNOW that you deserve to have your line
checked at THEIR cost if there is an internet problem. You should only have
to pay a charge if they find it is in your equipment (from the box on in.
The rest belongs to the phone company).
Marina - 25 Mar 2005 17:46 GMT
> We didn't contact them again. But maybe someone else did. The problem
> mysteriously cleared up this evening and is working better than it has
> in a long time. Maybe some rich, important rancher or tax payer, voter
> complained.
Whatever the cause, it's good to hear that your problem was solved. Glad
we didn't lose you!

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Cheryl - 24 Mar 2005 04:46 GMT
<snip>
> We have decided to wait it out. Maybe someone else in the area
> will complain and get better results. So we have little internet
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> in a year or two. Maybe it will be down by the time we save up
> the money.
I've had similar problems with my phone service ever since I moved
into this house 4-1/2 years ago. The former owners (my brother)
never had phone problems so it was obvious to me due to the
consistency of the problem that it wasn't in the house, and
probably a buried cable somewhere since the connection was re-
routed to accomodate my new phone number. It got so bad - usually
after heavy rain - and I'd made so many calls to the phone company
with no results that I finally reported the problem to the BBB.
Since that report, I've had supervisers calling me from time to
time after they located the problem. It has recurred since then,
and just recently. They sent out a tech who discovered a new
problem at their Central Office near here. It's a pain, but these
utility companies don't take these things serious until they feel
threatened in their pockets.
BTW, the supervisor who called after the BBB report gave me a
direct phone number to call when/if the problem recurred. I've had
similar problems with the power company and I'm convinced that
somewhere some lines were nicked during construction and erosion
has settled in. I can't say I've had any luck with the power
company yet, though. I had an electrician check out my interior
wiring and the problem isn't in the house as the power company
suggested.

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CATherine - 25 Mar 2005 03:53 GMT
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>
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>wiring and the problem isn't in the house as the power company
>suggested.
I never thought of the BBB. We will keep that in mind the next time
they are nasty to us. As for your power lines, I have seen several
places around Colorado Springs, which is full of construction, (where
are all the people coming from?) where the construction rips up water
lines or telephone lines or something.
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CATherine
Karen - 25 Mar 2005 04:05 GMT
By the way, I told my supervisor about your companies response to checking
the lines and she was just as furious and flabbergasted. In no way should
you be charged for them checking their own equipment. We are betting you
have Qwest as a local carrier.
Cheryl - 25 Mar 2005 04:39 GMT
> By the way, I told my supervisor about your companies response
> to checking the lines and she was just as furious and
> flabbergasted. In no way should you be charged for them checking
> their own equipment. We are betting you have Qwest as a local
> carrier.
Karen, here in Maryland I have Verizon and they wouldn't take my
problem serious for 4 years. It was just last summer that I finally
got some service. Only after reporting the problems to the BBB. Oh,
Verizon sent out techs time and time again, but they never resolved
it. It was weird. I had two phone lines at the time, one for phone,
one for internet. My internet line never had problems. Voice had
many problems. They were routed differently. In fact, when I first
bought this house, it took two weeks for them to resolve why my
main voice line wasn't connected. They had routed it to someone
elses house, so all of their remote diagnostics were successful.
Sure they were, it was connected to something. Just not the right
something. It was maddening.

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Karen - 25 Mar 2005 04:58 GMT
>> By the way, I told my supervisor about your companies response
>> to checking the lines and she was just as furious and
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Sure they were, it was connected to something. Just not the right
> something. It was maddening.
I'm going to have to copy this all together and share with my coworkers.
They will all be horrified at these stories. We've always felt we have
outstanding customer service at our company and I am beginning to think it
is even better than that!
Cheryl - 25 Mar 2005 05:22 GMT
> I'm going to have to copy this all together and share with my
> coworkers. They will all be horrified at these stories. We've
> always felt we have outstanding customer service at our company
> and I am beginning to think it is even better than that!
LOL! I was about to strangle the next someone who told me to go out
and hook up a corded phone to my NID. IT DIDN'T FRICKIN HAVE A
DIALTONE and they didn't believe me. LOL

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John F. Eldredge - 24 Mar 2005 04:57 GMT
>I am having problems with my ISP/phone company. We say the problem is
>somewhere in their 30-40 year old lines and connecting greenboxes.
>Ever since the high wind, rain, snow last Monday. Maybe there is a
>short somewhere or a loose chip. It acts like a loose connection.
I had similar problems with my phone connection for several years,
gradually getting worse. At first, I couldn't get the phone company
to come check the problem. When they finally did so, the problem
turned out to be with the junction box, on the outside of the house,
where the outside cable connects to the inside wiring. My house still
had the original 1957 box, with the contacts thoroughly corroded by
nearly half a century of a moist climate. Once they replaced this
box, at no cost to me, my phone problems went away.

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CATherine - 25 Mar 2005 03:49 GMT
>>I am having problems with my ISP/phone company. We say the problem is
>>somewhere in their 30-40 year old lines and connecting greenboxes.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>nearly half a century of a moist climate. Once they replaced this
>box, at no cost to me, my phone problems went away.
Big Sandy used to be good at fixing things cause Jeff had a problem
like yours years ago and they fixed it. But a few months ago they
farmed out the billing and tech service to somewhere else and hired a
twit for the local office. Now everything is different.
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CATherine
Nan - 24 Mar 2005 15:48 GMT
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>We have decided to wait it out. Maybe someone else in the area will
>complain and get better results. So we have little internet access
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>also said it was likely to go down in a year or two. Maybe it will be
>down by the time we save up the money.
I had satellite from April 2001 until December 2002 and dropped it as
soon as DSL became available in my area. Satellite is NOT worth the
money. It would go down on a foggy day, hard rain, snow, etc.
Anything in the atmosphere that would block the signal would cause the
satellite to go down. Tech support was atrocious. Their favorite
solution was "format your hard disk" regardless of what the problem
was.
Nan
CATherine - 25 Mar 2005 03:46 GMT
>snipped for brevity
>
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>
>Nan
That is now my thought. Jeff has been telling me about it. He still
wants to save up for it. I am not so sure. I wonder if we could have
that as well as the land line for when the weather is bad?
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CATherine
Yowie - 24 Mar 2005 21:43 GMT
> I am having problems with my ISP/phone company. We say the problem is
> somewhere in their 30-40 year old lines and connecting greenboxes.
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> also said it was likely to go down in a year or two. Maybe it will be
> down by the time we save up the money.
Be careful with Sattelite. Yors may well be different, but here with
Sattelite, the downloading goes at lightening speed, but the upload still
has to go through a modem and if you are having problems with phone lines
now, the sattelite won't fix all of that. Sattelites are great for surfing,
downloading music and movies, but are crappy for playing on-line games, and
doing anything where you have to send out fair chunks of info (like
uploading pictures, paying bills on-line etc etc).
You may be better off looking at microwave technology, which works in a
similar way to cell phones.
Yowie
CATherine - 25 Mar 2005 03:44 GMT
>> We have decided to wait it out. Maybe someone else in the area will
>> complain and get better results. So we have little internet access
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>Yowie
Jeff said the guy he talked to about satellite had the service
two-way. Jeff likes the sound of it after this problem and him having
to deal with the twit at the phone company. But I don't like the idea
of the wet weather problems it has. Like right now we are having fog,
snow and rain. Jeff said in weather like this the download/upload
would be so slow it would be like the old days with his old Commodore
64!
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CATherine
Nan - 25 Mar 2005 14:13 GMT
>>> We have decided to wait it out. Maybe someone else in the area will
>>> complain and get better results. So we have little internet access
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>would be so slow it would be like the old days with his old Commodore
>64!
It would be worse than the Commodore 64 days since the satellite
service would be non-existent. The satellite goes completely down if
there isn't a clear path between the dish and the satellite. The
satellite is also very picky about how well your dish is adjusted. A
windstorm here moved my dish once and I lost the service and had to
pay $141.00 for someone to come out and readjust it. When it worked
the download time was fantastic, but the upload time was worse than
dial up.
Nan
CATherine - 26 Mar 2005 03:33 GMT
>>>> We have decided to wait it out. Maybe someone else in the area will
>>>> complain and get better results. So we have little internet access
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
>Nan
Well, that solves that silly idea. I don't think I will go for
satellite after all. We will make do with what we have.
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CATherine