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Cheryl - 22 Mar 2005 03:29 GMT
Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
on the Clomicalm to try to curb his aggressiveness toward Bonnie,
so his reflexes were probably slow. He let out a squeal that
alerted me to the claw-in-face situation, and I had to manually
remove Rhett's claw from Shamrock's face. Last night I noticed
Shamrock's eye was watery, but it was just after giving him his
meds and I thought that when he squirmed, I got the med in his eye.
I just flushed it out and thought that was the end of it. Tonight
when I got home from work I noticed Shammy's eye is swollen and
red. Called vet, they fit him in for tomorrow morning. Have to go
in late to work, but he's my baby so no problem, I just let my boss
know.

It looks really bad and need purrs that a few drops will fix it. I
learned from this that kitten's claws become hooks a lot faster
than older cats claws do. I'll keep the kittens claws trimmed every
week now.

On another note, I don't like Shamrock on this drug to curb his
aggressiveness. I didn't like him so mean to everyone, either, so I
guess I have to give this a try for a while to see if it evens out
his purrsonality. He just sleeps all the time, and he isn't my wild
boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
need to find the middle ground.

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Takayuki - 22 Mar 2005 03:50 GMT
>On another note, I don't like Shamrock on this drug to curb his
>aggressiveness. I didn't like him so mean to everyone, either, so I
>guess I have to give this a try for a while to see if it evens out
>his purrsonality. He just sleeps all the time, and he isn't my wild
>boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
>need to find the middle ground.

Purrs to Shamrock and the rest of the furry family.
-L. - 22 Mar 2005 03:51 GMT
> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin.

<snip>

Poor Shamrock!  Purrs for feeling better, pronto!

-L.
Victor Martinez - 22 Mar 2005 03:51 GMT
Lots and lots of purrs.

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Karen - 22 Mar 2005 03:56 GMT
> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
> need to find the middle ground.

Poor Shamrock. He really may liven up. It takes a while for a sysem to
adapt. How long has he been on it? I sure hope his eye gets better quickly.
Luckily, they don't dwell on these things like we do. Purrs on the way for
Shamrock to feel better in all ways soon.
Cheryl - 22 Mar 2005 04:13 GMT
> Poor Shamrock. He really may liven up. It takes a while for a
> sysem to adapt. How long has he been on it? I sure hope his eye
> gets better quickly. Luckily, they don't dwell on these things
> like we do. Purrs on the way for Shamrock to feel better in all
> ways soon.

He's been on it a week now. I noticed over the weekend how much it
effects him. I'll keep him on it to see if it evens out, plus taking
him to TED tomorrow, I'll talk to her about this, and if its
"normal" and when to expect to see some activity out of him. As you
probably remember, I'd posted about his aggressiveness over the last
couple of years but had been really scared of putting him on drugs.
Back then it was just me he attacked. Now it's Bonnie, and sometimes
the kittens, and he has just been increasingly unhappy about
something.

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Susan M - 22 Mar 2005 04:06 GMT
Ouch - poor Shamrock!  Lots of purrs that he will heal up quickly!

Susan M
Otis and Chester

> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
> need to find the middle ground.
Monique Y. Mudama - 22 Mar 2005 04:13 GMT
> It looks really bad and need purrs that a few drops will fix it. I learned
> from this that kitten's claws become hooks a lot faster than older cats
> claws do. I'll keep the kittens claws trimmed every week now.

Poor Shamrock.

> On another note, I don't like Shamrock on this drug to curb his
> aggressiveness. I didn't like him so mean to everyone, either, so I guess I
> have to give this a try for a while to see if it evens out his purrsonality.
> He just sleeps all the time, and he isn't my wild boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is
> gaining confidence, so I guess we still need to find the middle ground.

I don't know anything about dosages, but would it be possible to ask TED about
giving him a smaller dose of the meds?  I'm going on the assumption that a
smaller dose would make him less lethargic while allowing slightly more
aggression, but I could be completely wrong.

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Cheryl - 23 Mar 2005 00:24 GMT
> I don't know anything about dosages, but would it be possible to
> ask TED about giving him a smaller dose of the meds?  I'm going
> on the assumption that a smaller dose would make him less
> lethargic while allowing slightly more aggression, but I could
> be completely wrong.

We decided today to do that. She's never used clomicalm for a cat
before, plenty of dogs though. It was my idea after doing some
research and finding a Cornell document about it. What the heck do I
know? :)

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C. Burel - 22 Mar 2005 04:17 GMT
Many purrs for Shamrock!  Please keep us posted.  How much is Shamrock's
dosage -- I'm giving Midnight .5 ml of a compounded chlorapromine
(spelling?) to help with her marking issues and it is working and she is
much less moody and aggressive, too.
Christine
> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
> need to find the middle ground.
Cheryl - 23 Mar 2005 00:32 GMT
> Many purrs for Shamrock!  Please keep us posted.  How much is
> Shamrock's dosage -- I'm giving Midnight .5 ml of a compounded
> chlorapromine (spelling?) to help with her marking issues and it
> is working and she is much less moody and aggressive, too.

Thanks Christine, and everyone else!  His eye isn't scratched
according to TED, but the lid underneath got infected by the
scratch. He's got more drugs now and some drops to put in 3 times a
day (that's going to be rough but I'll get it done).

His clomicalm (clomipraline hydrochloride, in case it isn't the
same thing) dosage is 1cc per day. The vet and I talked today and
decided to lower it to .7 to see if it calms him without making him
sleep all the time.  I'm glad to read that Midnight is getting
helped by it! Not that any of us would fall into this category, but
the Cornell article stated that it was tried for cats because these
issues are top on the list for people surrendering cats to
shelters. If more people knew there was a chance to modify the
behavior with drugs (and I believe it should only be a last
resort!) than maybe more would be kept. :(

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Marina - 23 Mar 2005 18:18 GMT
> Thanks Christine, and everyone else!  His eye isn't scratched
> according to TED, but the lid underneath got infected by the
> scratch. He's got more drugs now and some drops to put in 3 times a
> day (that's going to be rough but I'll get it done).

Glad to hear his eye wasn't affected. Purrs for the medicating!

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badwilson - 22 Mar 2005 05:09 GMT
Kittens claws are like needles!  Poor Shamrock, many purrs for his eye
to get better soon.
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> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
> need to find the middle ground.
Sam Nash - 22 Mar 2005 05:10 GMT
> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
> need to find the middle ground.

Purrs for speedy improvement for "the Rock".
Sam, closely supervised by Mistletoe
Cheryl - 23 Mar 2005 00:33 GMT
> Purrs for speedy improvement for "the Rock".

"the Rock".  He approves!  lol

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Kreisleriana - 22 Mar 2005 05:24 GMT
>Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
>thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>learned from this that kitten's claws become hooks a lot faster
>than older cats claws do. I'll keep the kittens claws trimmed every

Kitten claws are wicked things.
Big Purrs for the Shamster.

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CatNipped - 22 Mar 2005 15:54 GMT
>>Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
>>thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Kitten claws are wicked things.
> Big Purrs for the Shamster.

Yeah, just the other day Sammy swiped at something I had in my hand and
"accidentally" ran her claw across the ball of my thumb.  For a few minutes
I couldn't see anything there, it just hurt, but then it started bleeding
and I've had to treat it for days and days.  It was exactly like being cut
with a razor - the claw was so sharp that the *width* of the cut was almost
invisible, but the *depth* of the cut was incredible.  Kitten claws are
indeed wicked things!

Hugs,

CatNipped

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polonca12000 - 22 Mar 2005 15:07 GMT
Lots of purrs and best wishes for Shamrock and hugs for you, Cheryl,
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> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Shamrock's eye was watery, but it was just after giving him his
> meds and I thought that when he squirmed, I got the med in his eye.
<snip>
CatNipped - 22 Mar 2005 15:36 GMT
> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
> need to find the middle ground.

Purrs for poor Shamrock's eye to heal quickly.  Sorry if this has been
discussed alreaady (I'm behind on my reading here because of what happened
with Bandit), but have you tried Feliway defusers to help with the
agression?

Hugs,

CatNipped
Cheryl - 23 Mar 2005 00:34 GMT
> Purrs for poor Shamrock's eye to heal quickly.  Sorry if this
> has been discussed alreaady (I'm behind on my reading here
> because of what happened with Bandit), but have you tried
> Feliway defusers to help with the agression?

Yes. I've had 3 diffusers in my house at all times since before
getting him.  Thanks though!

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Marina - 24 Mar 2005 05:14 GMT
>>Purrs for poor Shamrock's eye to heal quickly.  Sorry if this
>>has been discussed alreaady (I'm behind on my reading here
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Yes. I've had 3 diffusers in my house at all times since before
> getting him.  Thanks though!

I bought a new refill for my diffuser, but I'm not surre whether I
should plug it in now, or after I've fetched Mere and see if the big
cats start showing some aggression.

It's Thursday morning here now, so this is the Day!

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Karen - 24 Mar 2005 05:21 GMT
>>> Purrs for poor Shamrock's eye to heal quickly.  Sorry if this
>>> has been discussed alreaady (I'm behind on my reading here
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> It's Thursday morning here now, so this is the Day!

I don't think it would hurt at all to start it ahead of time. Oh boy! Can't
wait for reports.
CatNipped - 22 Mar 2005 15:48 GMT
> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
> need to find the middle ground.

This post made me wonder something.  Has anyone heard that food allergies
might affect a cat's behavior?

I'm asking because ADHD runs in my family and I was *adamant* about not
putting my kids on Ritalin even when they were literally climbing the walls
and only sleeping about 3 hours a day.  I did a lot of research at the time
and found a study done by a Dr. Feingold.  He thought that the ADHD was
caused by food allergies - some chemicals found in some foods that reacted
adversely with checmicals in their brains.  This made some sense to me
because allergies also run rampant in my family.  I changed my kids' diets
(eliminating all food dyes, preservatives - even natural preservatives in
some fruits, and any overly "processed" foods).  I started shopping at an
organic food grocery (*WAY* expensive, sadly).  The difference in their
behavior within just a week of changing their diets was astounding!  They
were calm and focused without being "sapced out" by the drugs.  [This really
makes me think that the "outbreak" of ADHD that we're seeing in our society
today may be caused by all the sh*t we put in our food to make it last on
the grocer's shelves.]

Anyway, I wonder is there could be something similar going on with cats with
behavioral problems?

Hugs,

CatNipped
Monique Y. Mudama - 22 Mar 2005 17:45 GMT
> I changed my kids' diets (eliminating all food dyes, preservatives -
> even natural preservatives in some fruits, and any overly "processed"
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> today may be caused by all the sh*t we put in our food to make it last
> on the grocer's shelves.]

Huh.  This is really interesting, and particularly topical to me because I'm
trying to figure out my own nutritional needs while trying to lose fat.

I did the lowfat thing last summer, trying to stay below 40g of fat a day
while also riding my bike intensely almost daily.  At the beginning of the
summer, I felt great, but by the end, I was getting sick constantly, had no
energy when exercising ... it was all bad.

I realized I was doing one of two things in pursuit of a lowfat diet.  One was
to eat proper lowfat foods: mostly veggies and not that much meat.  I was
never able to get enough calories for an active lifestyle that way, though,
although at the time it seemed like a good thing.  The other was to eat
defatted foods: lowfat or no-fat dairy products, mayo, whatever.  The problem
there is that I ended up eating all sorts of artificial crap in pursuit of my
lowfat goals.  Artificial crap can't be healthy, and ultimately, health is
what this is all about.

After more research, I'm starting to think that a low-fat diet is detrimental
to the health of a person who exercises frequently and intensely.  There's
research to back it up.  Weight lifters specifically are big on protein and
fat, whereas endurance people like cyclists are big on carbs (and protein and
some fat).

Er, sorry to derail.  It's on my mind a lot lately.  I want to eat right, but
everyone has a different idea of what "eating right" entails.  I can't swear
that going the low-fat route sabotaged my health last year, but ... I
definitely suspect it.

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CatNipped - 22 Mar 2005 17:50 GMT
>> I changed my kids' diets (eliminating all food dyes, preservatives -
>> even natural preservatives in some fruits, and any overly "processed"
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> that going the low-fat route sabotaged my health last year, but ... I
> definitely suspect it.

My grandmother, who lived to be 104 and walked 5 miles a day almost to the
day she died (she got up and danced with the bandleader at her 100th
birthday), and my mother, who is 79 and goes bowling and line dancing
several times a week, both ate/eat anything they wanted.  They just did so
in moderation and exercised enough to burn off the calories they ate.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Monique Y. Mudama - 22 Mar 2005 18:52 GMT
> My grandmother, who lived to be 104 and walked 5 miles a day almost to the
> day she died (she got up and danced with the bandleader at her 100th
> birthday), and my mother, who is 79 and goes bowling and line dancing
> several times a week, both ate/eat anything they wanted.  They just did so
> in moderation and exercised enough to burn off the calories they ate.

If I ate everything I wanted, I wouldn't be eating in moderation ...

I think it's great that your grandmother and mother were able to keep it all
together, but me, I think I need a little help, especially when I'm training
hard.

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CATherine - 23 Mar 2005 03:52 GMT
>> I changed my kids' diets (eliminating all food dyes, preservatives -
>> even natural preservatives in some fruits, and any overly "processed"
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>that going the low-fat route sabotaged my health last year, but ... I
>definitely suspect it.

With exercise, you need plenty of protein for your muscles. And some
fat is needed in the body cells as well. But hard exercise like
cycling needs some fat and carbohydrates for fuel. Otherwise the body
will convert muscle protein for fuel.

I used to live on a race horse ranch. In the winter, the horses were
fed plenty of hay and some mixed grains with molasses. During training
and racing season, they were not fed as much hay and received a lot
more rich grains with protein. Racing is very hard work. Hard work
needs protein for strength and endurance and complex carbohydrates for
fuel.

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John F. Eldredge - 23 Mar 2005 05:13 GMT
>With exercise, you need plenty of protein for your muscles. And some
>fat is needed in the body cells as well. But hard exercise like
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>needs protein for strength and endurance and complex carbohydrates for
>fuel.

If you try to rely almost entirely upon protein for your fuel, you
will be consuming considerably more nitrogen than you need, and your
body will have to excrete the surplus nitrogen through your kidneys.
This puts extra stress on your kidneys.  One thing that will help in
the weight loss is to eat carbohydrates that will be digested more
slowly (more vegetables and whole grains, less processed grains and
sugars).  If you eat a large quantity of quickly-digested
carbohydrates, more than is immediately needed for energy, the
temporarily-surplus calories will be stored as fat.  Once fat-storage
cells are formed, the body never gets rid of them again, only empties
their contents, thus making it easier to gain weight again at some
future point.

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Cheryl - 23 Mar 2005 00:38 GMT
<snip>
>  [This really
> makes me think that the "outbreak" of ADHD that we're seeing in
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Anyway, I wonder is there could be something similar going on
> with cats with behavioral problems?

You've given me something to think about. He does have "supposed"
allergy problems that cause skin outbreaks. There might be something
to that, CN.

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Katz - 22 Mar 2005 16:16 GMT
Purring for Shammy.

Katz & crew
Lynn - 22 Mar 2005 17:28 GMT
Purrs for Shamrock!
Helen Miles - 22 Mar 2005 17:50 GMT
> It looks really bad and need purrs that a few drops will fix it. I
> learned from this that kitten's claws become hooks a lot faster
> than older cats claws do. I'll keep the kittens claws trimmed every
> week now.

Purrs everything is OK.

> On another note, I don't like Shamrock on this drug to curb his
> aggressiveness. I didn't like him so mean to everyone, either, so I
> guess I have to give this a try for a while to see if it evens out
> his purrsonality. He just sleeps all the time, and he isn't my wild
> boy anymore. :(

HRFL Tiger went onto Elavil to try and stop his spraying, and he had a
similar reaction to Shamrock. Maybe a lower dose would be better?

Helen M
Kreisleriana - 22 Mar 2005 18:35 GMT
>> It looks really bad and need purrs that a few drops will fix it. I
>> learned from this that kitten's claws become hooks a lot faster
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>HRFL Tiger went onto Elavil to try and stop his spraying, and he had a
>similar reaction to Shamrock. Maybe a lower dose would be better?

Elavil is a very blunt instrument.  I was on Elavil as a young adult,
and I had to go off it because it caused me to have seizures.  I think
it's hardly ever prescribed anymore for people.  I don't think I'd
want to give it to a little cat.

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Susan M - 22 Mar 2005 18:46 GMT
"Kreisleriana" <kreisleriana2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Elavil is a very blunt instrument.  I was on Elavil as a young adult,
> and I had to go off it because it caused me to have seizures.  I think
> it's hardly ever prescribed anymore for people.  I don't think I'd
> want to give it to a little cat.

Otis was on Elavil for quite some tim because it is the human treatment for
interstitial cystitis and he was peeing all over the house because of this
chronic painful bladder condition.  It took the edge off of him and stopped
the peeing -  I understand that it affects the pain transmission or
something regarding that part of the body.  In any case, he was OK until he
suddenly overdosed - it seemed to have accumulated or something.  I was
really worried about him for about a week and had him immediately to TED.
We had to switch to Prozac.  He had no obvious side effects with Prozac,
though slept a lot.  I'm happy to say that we've been able to move to a
place where he can go outside and he's ha-ha-happy not on drugs anymore.

We didn't do any of the drugs lightly.  We had to keep him in because of
neighbour complaints and the cat by-law yet he is a cat who simply needs to
go out period.  It drove him nuts, he got stressed out, got this
interstitial cystitis and peed *all over* the house.  He was not re-homeable
because of his peeing, his need to go outside,  the cat by-law in the city
making that challenging, and the fact that he'd not survive on a farm.  It
seemed that that was our only choice until we moved.

He's soooooo happy now.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Kreisleriana - 22 Mar 2005 19:53 GMT
>"Kreisleriana" <kreisleriana2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> Elavil is a very blunt instrument.  I was on Elavil as a young adult,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>though slept a lot.  I'm happy to say that we've been able to move to a
>place where he can go outside and he's ha-ha-happy not on drugs anymore.

Poor little fellow.  I'm so glad he's feeling better.

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Helen Miles - 22 Mar 2005 23:28 GMT
It drove him nuts, he got stressed out, got this
> interstitial cystitis and peed *all over* the house.  He was not re-homeable
> because of his peeing, his need to go outside,  the cat by-law in the city
> making that challenging, and the fact that he'd not survive on a farm.  It
> seemed that that was our only choice until we moved.///

Tigers peeing was because of too many foster kitties in the house and
the fact he couldn't go outside. He was so spaced out and not himself,
that I rehomed the foster kitties, started letting him out for set
periods each day and I worked on the basis that the peeing was better
than having a spaced out kitty who wasn't himself.

Eventually things settled down, although he still pees when he gets
stressd.

Helen M
Helen Miles - 22 Mar 2005 23:28 GMT
> Tigers peeing was because of too many foster kitties in the house and
> the fact he couldn't go outside. He was so spaced out and not himself,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Helen M

Sorry, I also meant to say, he was spaced out on Elavil.

Helen M
Cheryl - 23 Mar 2005 00:45 GMT
> Purrs everything is OK.

Thank you, to you and everyone else.  I'm overwhelmed with the
support once again, and Shamrock thanks you all.

> HRFL Tiger went onto Elavil to try and stop his spraying, and he
> had a similar reaction to Shamrock. Maybe a lower dose would be
> better?

I talked it over with TED today and the dose is being lowered.
She's never used Clomicalm for a cat before, but she said the dose
was rather low. Shamrock might be one of those who metabolize stuff
like that differently. I read your post to Susan about how you felt
it was better to have Tiger peeing than to be spaced out, and I see
what you mean!!  :( In this case though, he is terrorizing Bonnie
to the point where she wouldn't come out of my room, and he often
attacks me, and now the kittens.  I've been trying different
behavior modification for a long time now, and nothing changes. I
felt it was the last resort before Bonnie was ruined forever. She
has, thankfully, realized Shamrock isn't chasing her and
terrorizing her as much now and has herself calmed down and sitting
here with both of us now. :) I don't plan on this being long-term,
but will do whatever it takes.

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CatNipped - 23 Mar 2005 01:46 GMT
> > Purrs everything is OK.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> --
> Cheryl

Well, don't feel like you have to justify giving him the medicine - just
like people, there are cats who need help regulating their brain chemistry.
I just hope you and the vet can find a dose that does the job without
causing any side effects.

We'll continue to purr for Shamrock, you, and the rest of the kitties.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Cheryl - 23 Mar 2005 02:08 GMT
> Well, don't feel like you have to justify giving him the
> medicine - just like people, there are cats who need help
> regulating their brain chemistry. I just hope you and the vet
> can find a dose that does the job without causing any side
> effects.

I'm sorry, I know. :( I guess I just feel like I've failed him in
some way. I dunno, that I couldn't get them to get along. :(

> We'll continue to purr for Shamrock, you, and the rest of the
> kitties.

Thank you.

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Karen - 23 Mar 2005 02:58 GMT
>> Well, don't feel like you have to justify giving him the
>> medicine - just like people, there are cats who need help
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> I'm sorry, I know. :( I guess I just feel like I've failed him in
> some way. I dunno, that I couldn't get them to get along. :(

Well, that's not right. Just like people, we can't *make* them be different
than what they are and also, like people, they can have actual chemical
problems that need help. We don't think of it as bad if people need help
controlling agression. You should not feel bad either.
CatNipped - 23 Mar 2005 16:20 GMT
>> Well, don't feel like you have to justify giving him the
>> medicine - just like people, there are cats who need help
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> I'm sorry, I know. :( I guess I just feel like I've failed him in
> some way. I dunno, that I couldn't get them to get along. :(

It's a mother's curse - *NOTHING* she does is ever good enough for her
babies and it's always her fault!!  ;>  Really though, physical things that
go wrong are not our fault (especially when it's our cats and there's not
even genes involved!!!  ;>) - we can't *love* them away no matter how much
love we give, they're just there and we need to deal with them.  All we can
do is cope, give them the best care, and love them anyway.

Hugs,

CatNipped

>> We'll continue to purr for Shamrock, you, and the rest of the
>> kitties.
>
> Thank you.
Susan M - 23 Mar 2005 02:30 GMT
>  I read your post to Susan about how you felt
> it was better to have Tiger peeing than to be spaced out, and I see
> what you mean!!  :( In this case though, he is terrorizing Bonnie
> to the point where she wouldn't come out of my room, and he often
> attacks me, and now the kittens.

Hey Cheryl:  I wrote about Otis OD'ing and Helen M wrote about being happy
that Tiger wasn't spaced out but was peeing a bit.  I understand completely
about being between a rock and a hard place with a cat and needing to do
*something* to make it work.  Believe me, I'm not judgemental about this - I
know that you have everyone's best interests at heart and are trying to work
it out.

Susan M
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glsummer@neptunelink.com - 22 Mar 2005 21:14 GMT
>Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
>thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
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>boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
>need to find the middle ground.

Peaceful and healing purrs on their way.

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Irulan - 22 Mar 2005 22:09 GMT
Purrs and prayers that Shamrock is not badly injured.
Jazz & his mama

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> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
> need to find the middle ground.
Margaret Fine - 23 Mar 2005 01:15 GMT
> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
> need to find the middle ground.

Purrs that there was good news at the vet!

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Tanada - 23 Mar 2005 03:41 GMT
> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
> on the Clomicalm to try to curb his aggressiveness toward Bonnie,
> so his reflexes were probably slow.

Purrs and healing thoughts for Shamrock to be better soon.

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hobbs - 23 Mar 2005 06:47 GMT
Purrs for shamrocks eye to heal quickly and for his medication to work
for him so you can all find that middle ground   Jean.P.
> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
> thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
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> --
> Cheryl
Steve Touchstone - 23 Mar 2005 09:50 GMT
Purrs on the way for Shamrock's eye.

>Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good. Only, I
>thought he just hooked skin. They were wrestling, and Shamrock is
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>boy anymore. :(  Bonnie is gaining confidence, so I guess we still
>need to find the middle ground.

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Adrian - 23 Mar 2005 16:55 GMT
> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good.

<snip>

Purrs for Shamrock's eye to heal quickly.
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Cheryl - 25 Mar 2005 01:54 GMT
>> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good.
>
> <snip>
>
> Purrs for Shamrock's eye to heal quickly.

He and I thank you. :)  He's doing better, his eye is open now but
I think I'm going to have to stop the ABs. And probably the
clomicalm. He isn't eating. And is nauseous. :( Not throwing up,
but not eating much and making the motions with his mouth like
something tastes bad. I just tried to tempt him with his favorite,
tuna, but he wouldn't eat it. Since his eye is getting better, I
guess I'll hold off all drugs except for the eye drops until he is
eating well again. And call the vet in the am. :(

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Karen - 25 Mar 2005 03:48 GMT
>>> Yesterday, Rhett hooked Shamrock's face pretty good.
>>
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> guess I'll hold off all drugs except for the eye drops until he is
> eating well again. And call the vet in the am. :(

Awww. Purrs to Shammy. He is just a special child.
Cheryl - 25 Mar 2005 04:41 GMT
> Awww. Purrs to Shammy. He is just a special child.

Thanks Karen, he sure is.

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