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Takayuki - 16 Mar 2005 06:58 GMT
Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they
generally don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.

Cats seem to have better control of the snout and ears than we do, but
less fine control around the eyes and mouth.

Still, I think I've seen Betty smile and frown.  I've seen her express
other emotions too, like contentment, surprise, curiosity, and
especially love.  When she rests her chin on something, she can look a
bit resigned.  When she opens her eyes wide, she can either look very
earnest, or very surprised.

What do cat facial expressions mean?  How do they communicate their
feelings and moods to us?  I wish I knew.  I just know that they're
very beautiful and charming.
-L. - 16 Mar 2005 07:02 GMT
> Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they
> generally don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.

I can pretty much tell my cats' moods or what they want by their facial
expressions.  I love the eyebrows. :)

-L.
calaf - 16 Mar 2005 07:07 GMT
I think there's a lot going on in the angle their eyelids take on.  The
expression in a cat's eyes will tell you a lot.  They're roughly
analagous to ours.

> Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they
> generally don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.
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> feelings and moods to us?  I wish I knew.  I just know that they're
> very beautiful and charming.
Takayuki - 17 Mar 2005 04:20 GMT
>I think there's a lot going on in the angle their eyelids take on.  The
>expression in a cat's eyes will tell you a lot.  They're roughly
>analagous to ours.

I think that cats look especially content when they're sleeping and
their eyes are closed.  They can also make a blissed out look, which
is funny.
calaf - 19 Mar 2005 09:34 GMT
I think they got the expression on Buddha's face from cats.

>>I think there's a lot going on in the angle their eyelids take on.  The
>>expression in a cat's eyes will tell you a lot.  They're roughly
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> their eyes are closed.  They can also make a blissed out look, which
> is funny.
mlbriggs - 16 Mar 2005 07:10 GMT
> Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they
> generally don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> feelings and moods to us?  I wish I knew.  I just know that they're
> very beautiful and charming.

I have always thought that kitten faces look like pansies.   MLB
-L. - 16 Mar 2005 07:27 GMT
> I have always thought that kitten faces look like pansies.   MLB

LOL... they do!

great anology!

-L.
melizabeth - 16 Mar 2005 11:03 GMT
> I have always thought that kitten faces look like pansies.   MLB

What a pretty comparison...you're right, they do!

I can pretty much tell what Willow is thinking by her eyelids, whiskers,
pupil dilation, and ears.  Have you all seen that greeting card with 16
identical pictures of a cartoon cat?  I think each has a different emotion
under it.  It cracks me up everytime I see it...astute cat slaves would be
able to discern the different expressions.
Cheryl Perkins - 16 Mar 2005 13:03 GMT
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> What do cat facial expressions mean?  How do they communicate their
> feelings and moods to us?  I wish I knew.  I just know that they're
> very beautiful and charming.

I can get a lot from their ear positions and how wide or focussed their
eyes are. But with cats, I think communication involves their whole body,
including the tail. When they're really intent on a bird or toy they sit
differently than when they are relaxed or afraid or angry at another
animal.

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Kreisleriana - 16 Mar 2005 17:06 GMT
><snip>
>> What do cat facial expressions mean?  How do they communicate their
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>differently than when they are relaxed or afraid or angry at another
>animal.

They do so many things that crack me up.  I love it when Stinky is
comfy and doesn't want to move, but doesn't want to miss something.
It's like he instantly grows a giraffe neck. ;)

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Victor Martinez - 16 Mar 2005 14:52 GMT
> Cats seem to have better control of the snout and ears than we do, but
> less fine control around the eyes and mouth.

True, but I've found it varies from cat to cat. Basho and Issa are very
good at facial expressions. One look into their eyes and you know
exactly what they're planning on doing. Xoxo is the least expressive of
our bunch, perhaps because he grew up outside, without constant human
contact.

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Takayuki - 17 Mar 2005 04:21 GMT
>> Cats seem to have better control of the snout and ears than we do, but
>> less fine control around the eyes and mouth.
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>our bunch, perhaps because he grew up outside, without constant human
>contact.

I wonder if it has something to do with how long their fur is?
sriddles@aol.com - 16 Mar 2005 15:40 GMT
> Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they
> generally don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> feelings and moods to us?  I wish I knew.  I just know that they're
> very beautiful and charming.

The whiskers & ears tell it all. I kinda wish I could put my ears back
sometimes.
Betty's coloring/marking gives her a lot of character too. The little
snow-white paws make her look like so dainty, like a little lady.
The eyes are very telling, too, I agree with you. Bootsie has a very
distinct "wide eyed" look, her eyes get really round, when one of
theother cats is doing something that gets on her nerves.

Sherry

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Kreisleriana - 16 Mar 2005 17:02 GMT
>Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they
>generally don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>feelings and moods to us?  I wish I knew.  I just know that they're
>very beautiful and charming.

I find them *very* expressive.    Not just with their faces, but with
their whole bodies.

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Marina - 16 Mar 2005 18:03 GMT
>>Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they
>>generally don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.
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> I find them *very* expressive.    Not just with their faces, but with
> their whole bodies.

I read somewhere that cats actually have more muscles in their faces
than humans, so their potential for making faces should be better than
ours. Of course, the whisker pads include a very complex set of muscles
all tied in to their innate radar system.

Like others here, I think cats have very expressive body languages, but
I see a lot of expression in their faces too. Both my cats can suck in
their cheeks and look like they're starving, for example. ;o)

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Kreisleriana - 16 Mar 2005 18:42 GMT
>>>Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they
>>>generally don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.
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>I see a lot of expression in their faces too. Both my cats can suck in
>their cheeks and look like they're starving, for example. ;o)

LOL!

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Mary - 16 Mar 2005 20:09 GMT
> I read somewhere that cats actually have more muscles in their faces
> than humans, so their potential for making faces should be better than
> ours. Of course, the whisker pads include a very complex set of muscles
> all tied in to their innate radar system.

My Cheeky, the little 7-pound tabby has a very expressive face.
The vet techs laugh at her very dramatic expression of chagrin
when she is there.

She has this great look that tells me she is very, very put out
but way too polite to tell anyone about it. That is the look
she had on her face when I found her in the shelter in her
donut bed--because a big old Tom was sharing it with
her and she was not pleased. I reached over, she leaned
her face into my hand and looked at me like "get me
out of here?" And the rest is history.
Monique Y. Mudama - 16 Mar 2005 17:40 GMT
> Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they generally
> don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> and moods to us?  I wish I knew.  I just know that they're very beautiful
> and charming.

I can tell a lot about Oscar from her eyes.  It's like you can tell one
person's smile is fake and one person's is real, just because of tiny telltale
signals you probably can't even identify.  I can't tell you *why* I know Oscar
is excited, or upset, or curious, or playful, but I can definitely tell.

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yepp - 16 Mar 2005 21:04 GMT
> Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they
> generally don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> feelings and moods to us?  I wish I knew.  I just know that they're
> very beautiful and charming.

I find it very easy to read my cat's facial expressions... the slow big
blink means they are content or happy with me.
jmcquown - 17 Mar 2005 01:16 GMT
>> Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they
>> generally don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> I find it very easy to read my cat's facial expressions... the slow
> big blink means they are content or happy with me.

The slow blink, absolutely!  And if you slowly blink back, they will do it
again (and again and again!).  I can tell Persia's moods by a combination of
everything - her eyes, ears, posture, tail.  But her big green eyes are
particularly expressive.

Jill
yepp - 17 Mar 2005 01:25 GMT
> >> Most all cats have very sweet faces and beautiful eyes, but they
> >> generally don't seem to have facial expressions the way hoomins do.
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>
> Jill

Yes, that blink says 1000 words.  The ears, eyes, etc. are obvious, but if
you get that slow blink while they are staring right at you, you know.  LOL!
Enfilade - 17 Mar 2005 01:34 GMT
> I find it very easy to read my cat's facial expressions... the slow big
> blink means they are content or happy with me.

When Nocturne first saw Smokey, she quite literally did a double take.
It's hilarious to see a cat blink, look away, shake her head, and
look again.

--Fil
Cheryl Perkins - 17 Mar 2005 13:13 GMT
> When Nocturne first saw Smokey, she quite literally did a double take.
>  It's hilarious to see a cat blink, look away, shake her head, and
> look again.

Mandy did a kind of double-take - actually, she jumped back and up, just
like a startled cartoon cat. It was the first step in my introduction of
Betsy, in a cat carrier. Mandy trotted up, started sniffing at the
carrier, working her way around to the front ..sniff sniff -strange cat
smell- sniff sniff -um, yup, definitely strange sme...EEEEK! THERE'S A CAT
IN THIS BOX!!! I thought it was hilarious - I had assumed she realized
there was an actual cat in the box, but she was clearly taken by surprise.

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Kreisleriana - 17 Mar 2005 15:40 GMT
>> When Nocturne first saw Smokey, she quite literally did a double take.
>>  It's hilarious to see a cat blink, look away, shake her head, and
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>IN THIS BOX!!! I thought it was hilarious - I had assumed she realized
>there was an actual cat in the box, but she was clearly taken by surprise.

omg, that's better than what Mimi (RB) did when she first met Stinky.
Stinky came home in a canvas tote bag.  He hadn't even hit the floor
before Mimi got all puffy and HISSED at him.  Mimi had never hissed in
her entire life!!!

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Seanette Blaylock - 17 Mar 2005 03:53 GMT
Takayuki <Takayuki9z@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to
say about Facial expressions:

>Still, I think I've seen Betty smile and frown.  I've seen her express
>other emotions too, like contentment, surprise, curiosity, and
>especially love.  When she rests her chin on something, she can look a
>bit resigned.  When she opens her eyes wide, she can either look very
>earnest, or very surprised.

I know I've seen Felix smile and scowl. I've also seen worried looks.

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Christina Websell - 17 Mar 2005 04:45 GMT
> Takayuki <Takayuki9z@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to
> say about Facial expressions:
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>
> I know I've seen Felix smile and scowl. I've also seen worried looks.

My small nephew aged 5 visited about 6 weeks ago.  He came in from the
kitchen and said that Kitty FC had frowned at him and he thought perhaps she
didn't like him.
Well, it may be that Kitty, being such a grouch had done some sort of body
language to stop him from petting her.  Whatever she did, it worked.  Nathan
was quite clear that she'd said " **** off"  Which is amazing for a child
that doesn't have a pet.
I asked him if he was sure that she'd frowned at him.  He said he was.  I
went into the kitchen to look for a frown on KFC who was meatloafing in
front of the fire.  No sign at all of a frown when she saw me ;-)
I believe Nathan.  Kitty FC is very grumpy and she managed to convey to this
small child that he must leave her alone. What is amazing to me is that he
totally understood what she was trying to convey to him and he has never had
a pet himself.

Tweed
Karen - 17 Mar 2005 05:48 GMT
>> Takayuki <Takayuki9z@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to
>> say about Facial expressions:
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>
> Tweed

I bet it was the ear. I bet she gave that child the ear!
Marina - 17 Mar 2005 06:27 GMT
> I bet it was the ear. I bet she gave that child the ear!

LOL! Might be. Or what I was thinking, maybe she did that where they
sort of shrug their back fur if they don't want to be touched right
then. Do you know what I mean? I could imagine a child calling that a
frown. We need a word for that move. Shoulder frown?

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CatNipped - 17 Mar 2005 15:28 GMT
> > I bet it was the ear. I bet she gave that child the ear!
>
> LOL! Might be. Or what I was thinking, maybe she did that where they
> sort of shrug their back fur if they don't want to be touched right
> then. Do you know what I mean? I could imagine a child calling that a
> frown. We need a word for that move. Shoulder frown?

How about the "Shove Off Shrug", or Shrog, or Shrudder!

Hugs,

CatNipped

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Kreisleriana - 17 Mar 2005 15:25 GMT
>>> Takayuki <Takayuki9z@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to
>>> say about Facial expressions:
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>>
>I bet it was the ear. I bet she gave that child the ear!

Ha.  Nathan is more perceptive than I was.  When I was five, I pulled
my grandma's cat's tail, and he scratched me. ;)

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Adrian - 18 Mar 2005 13:53 GMT
>> Takayuki <Takayuki9z@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to
>> say about Facial expressions:
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>
> Tweed

It sounds like Nathan will be a good cat slave when he groes up, just
like another Nathan on this group. :-)
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