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Lorna - 12 Mar 2005 22:23 GMT
Today our vet has given Nikki  (10-year-old burmese) a second cortisone shot
for the severe itching/hair loss around her eyes plus a topical ointment for
same.  In addition, he has given me some Valium pills which he hopes will
stop her excessive grooming of her underside....
Nikki has always had the "eye allergy" problem - esp. at certain times of
the year and 1 injection (or pills) of a steroid has always curbed it for
several months in the past.

Both cats eat dry Iams lamb & rice plus a daily treat of Nutri-Cal - the vet
did say I might consider a change of diet to something such as Purina
Wellness.  Would rather not change as the two bitties have eaten this diet
for at least 2 years and it has made a great difference to my Tonkinese
(Chessie) who used to have a tendancy to throw up frequently.

I'm getting off track here..........wanted to ask whether anyone has had
experience with their cat and Valium - would greatly appreciate any useful
comments/suggestions.......thanks, Lorna
JBHajos - 13 Mar 2005 00:29 GMT
>I'm getting off track here..........wanted to ask whether anyone has had
>experience with their cat and Valium - would greatly appreciate any useful
>comments/suggestions.......thanks, Lorna

  Our experience with a cat and Valium was for a far different reason
than yours so may not be useful to you.  Our Custard was losing a lot
of weight and refusing to eat; our vet told us that a shot of Valium
would stimulate the appetite to the point that cats would eat
*anything* in sight, hungry or not.  She demonstrated this by giving
Cus-Cat a shot of it, then offered her some food.  Cus *inhaled* the
stuff, every bite.  It was amazing.  It was a band-aid fix but at home
she'd eat normally again for several days.  She had her Valium "fix"
about once a week, always gorging herself after the shot.  I don't
know if Valium pills are any different or would have the same effect
on Nikki; as well as calming her grooming problem, it *may* boost her
appetite.  At any rate, I hope it's a good cure for her.

  Jeanne      
Lorna - 16 Mar 2005 00:58 GMT
>>I'm getting off track here..........wanted to ask whether anyone has had
>>experience with their cat and Valium - would greatly appreciate any useful
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>   Jeanne

Thanks for the good wishes Jeanne - so far the Valium has stopped the
licking but seems to be a little too much - I'm decreasing the amount every
day.  Yesterday, she stared into space a lot and seemed to have to think for
a long time about taking a couple bites of food.  It has stopped the
overgrooming but I hope to find just the right amount which will stop the
lick, lick, licking and allow her to be my playful 10-year-old
baby..........Lorna
Marina - 13 Mar 2005 06:10 GMT
> Today our vet has given Nikki  (10-year-old burmese) a second cortisone shot
> for the severe itching/hair loss around her eyes plus a topical ointment for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the year and 1 injection (or pills) of a steroid has always curbed it for
> several months in the past.

Quite uncanny. My Nikki had that overgrooming problem, too. And once,
she lost the fur around one of her eyes, but only once. Anyway, I don't
have experience with Valium, and I'm sure you and your vet have ruled
this out, but my Nikki's overgrooming turned out to be a symptom of
hyperthyroidism.

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Lorna - 16 Mar 2005 00:51 GMT
>> Today our vet has given Nikki  (10-year-old burmese) a second cortisone
>> shot for the severe itching/hair loss around her eyes plus a topical
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> experience with Valium, and I'm sure you and your vet have ruled this out,
> but my Nikki's overgrooming turned out to be a symptom of hyperthyroidism.

My vet hasn't ruled out hyperthyroidism and I would ask him to explore this
before trying an allergy specialist.  The valium has stopped the
overgrooming but she is not the playful, kittenish Nikki I know (tho you
know I love her just as much!) - I am gradually decreasing the amount per
day and hoping to hit the right doseage to stop the constant licking but let
her personality sparkle..............Lorna
PS - I saw your picture of Mere - what an adorable baby bittie - I do hope
Frank & Nikki will both be enchanted with her!
Enfilade - 16 Mar 2005 03:40 GMT
> My vet hasn't ruled out hyperthyroidism and I would ask him to explore this
> before trying an allergy specialist.  The valium has stopped the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> PS - I saw your picture of Mere - what an adorable baby bittie - I do hope
> Frank & Nikki will both be enchanted with her!

Uh oh.  I do believe my phrase "bittie" is starting to spread....but
really, "itty bitty kitty" is such a mouthful.

--Fil
Marina - 16 Mar 2005 07:29 GMT
>>PS - I saw your picture of Mere - what an adorable baby bittie - I do hope
>>Frank & Nikki will both be enchanted with her!
>
> Uh oh.  I do believe my phrase "bittie" is starting to spread....but
> really, "itty bitty kitty" is such a mouthful.

But it's such a Good Word. We've had many new Good Words here lately;
'bittie', 'upside-downy head', 'giving the ear'... not to mention
'squeal <thud>'. If Yowie ever gets one of those Round Tuits, she should
add them to the FAQ.

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Kreisleriana - 16 Mar 2005 17:04 GMT
>>>PS - I saw your picture of Mere - what an adorable baby bittie - I do hope
>>>Frank & Nikki will both be enchanted with her!
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>'squeal <thud>'. If Yowie ever gets one of those Round Tuits, she should
>add them to the FAQ.

Eeeek!  Two of those are mine!  <THUD!>

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-L. - 16 Mar 2005 09:17 GMT
> > My vet hasn't ruled out hyperthyroidism and I would ask him to explore this
> > before trying an allergy specialist.  The valium has stopped the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Uh oh.  I do believe my phrase "bittie" is starting to spread....but
> really, "itty bitty kitty" is such a mouthful.

http://www.ittybittyorphankittyrescue.org/

Be sure to check out the collage of kittens who have been adopted - too
cute!

My nickname when I was an infant was Itty Bitty Boo.  That was in 1963.
;p

-L.
Lorna - 16 Mar 2005 14:12 GMT
> Uh oh.  I do believe my phrase "bittie" is starting to spread....but
> really, "itty bitty kitty" is such a mouthful.
>
> --Fil

"Bittie"is such a good term for them and since I have two, I call them the
bittie babies - only catslaves could understand how 10 and 11 year old cats
can be called babies :)   Lorna
melizabeth - 16 Mar 2005 14:54 GMT
> > Uh oh.  I do believe my phrase "bittie" is starting to spread....but
> > really, "itty bitty kitty" is such a mouthful.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> bittie babies - only catslaves could understand how 10 and 11 year old cats
> can be called babies :)   Lorna

Well, I hope other UK RPCAs are reading this and have watched Little
Britian.  When I hear "bittie" I think of one of the comedy sketches, and a
grown man nursing.  One *really* needs to have seen the show to get it.  I
probably won't be calling any kitties, "bittie"... :)
Debbie Wilson - 16 Mar 2005 15:13 GMT
> Well, I hope other UK RPCAs are reading this and have watched Little
> Britian.  When I hear "bittie" I think of one of the comedy sketches, and a
> grown man nursing.  One *really* needs to have seen the show to get it.  I
> probably won't be calling any kitties, "bittie"... :)

Yes!!! I can't help but think of that (aaarghh!!) whenever anyone here
says 'bitties'. Unfortunately!!

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Adrian - 17 Mar 2005 12:31 GMT
>>> Uh oh.  I do believe my phrase "bittie" is starting to spread....but
>>> really, "itty bitty kitty" is such a mouthful.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> and a grown man nursing.  One *really* needs to have seen the show to
> get it.  I probably won't be calling any kitties, "bittie"... :)

Yes, I think of that everytime I read the word "bittie" LOL.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Mar 2005 01:07 GMT
> Both cats eat dry Iams lamb & rice plus a daily treat of Nutri-Cal - the vet
> did say I might consider a change of diet to something such as Purina
> Wellness.  Would rather not change as the two bitties have eaten this diet
> for at least 2 years and it has made a great difference to my Tonkinese
> (Chessie) who used to have a tendancy to throw up frequently.

I don't have any experience with valium, but I do know that Oscar hasn't
barfed (except once when I gave her way too many of her favorite treats
right after she'd had dinner -- that was dumb of me!) at all since I
switched her from Nutro dry to Wellness canned.  I've spoken to many
other cat owners who had the same experience.  If you haven't tried
Wellness before, it might pleasantly surprise you.

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Lorna - 16 Mar 2005 00:52 GMT
>> Both cats eat dry Iams lamb & rice plus a daily treat of Nutri-Cal - the
>> vet
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> other cat owners who had the same experience.  If you haven't tried
> Wellness before, it might pleasantly surprise you.

I did buy some dry Purina Wellness - salmon, turkey, various fish & canola
oils, ground oats, brown rice, peas, blueberries, cranberries, sweet potato,
and zucchini - am thinking of having some for my own dinner!!
My other cat, Chessie, has been gobbling the Wellness, but Nikki seems a
little too zonked out to eat much - I am decreasing the amount of her Valium
daily, hope to hit a point where she doesn't "meatloaf" and stare into space
when she isn't sleeping, but stops the over-grooming and becomes playful
again......Lorna
Monique Y. Mudama - 16 Mar 2005 01:11 GMT
>>> Both cats eat dry Iams lamb & rice plus a daily treat of Nutri-Cal - the
>>> vet did say I might consider a change of diet to something such as Purina
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> hit a point where she doesn't "meatloaf" and stare into space when she isn't
> sleeping, but stops the over-grooming and becomes playful again......Lorna

Erm ... Wellness isn't made by Purina, it's made by OMH.

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Lorna - 16 Mar 2005 01:06 GMT
>> I did buy some dry Purina Wellness - salmon, turkey, various fish &
>> canola
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Erm ... Wellness isn't made by Purina, it's made by OMH. --
> monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully

Oops!!  So glad you pointed this out (would have sworn my vet said Purina) -
just looked at the bag to see what OHM stands for - what a great company
name!!!
Thanks, Lorna
zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Mar 2005 16:27 GMT
>Today our vet has given Nikki
>(10-year-old burmese) a second cortisone
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>of a steroid has always curbed it for
>several months in the past.

It's unfortunate that your vet does not seem too interested in finding
the cause of your cat's troubles so it can be rectified rather than
having to do steroid shots and drugs for the rest of its life.

>Both cats eat dry Iams lamb & rice plus a
>daily treat of Nutri-Cal - the vet did say I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Tonkinese (Chessie) who used to have a
>tendancy to throw up frequently.
Just a note that feeding one food long term can result in cats
developing an allegy to that food. You're better off finding out what
your cats don't react to and then feeding a variety of foods with that
in mind.
I checked the ingredient list and I see that Iams, which is a poor
quality food to begin with, contains *corn* - a very common allergen for
cats, along with beef, fish and wheat. I have several cats that have a
corn allergy and Basil in particular had suffered the same exact
symptoms as your cat, losing the hair around his face and being
miserable. This was easily rectified by changing his food. He now eats
Wellness *canned* food (which is not made by Purina) and *no dry* and he
hasn't had a problem in years. My recommendation would be to get your
cats off of dry food and feed a completely grain free canned diet for
awhile and see if there's improvement. Wellness Chicken and Turkey
flavors would be a good place to start. You can find where to purchase
it by going here:
http://www.oldmotherhubbard.com/locator/locator_form.asp

I wouldn't worry about the change in diet for your second cat as my
guess is that the throwing up was probably caused by an ingredient in
its previous dry food and it very well could have been large amounts of
corn or wheat. The Iams Lamb and Rice contains less corn than a lot of
foods, but corn nonetheless, which could be small enough not to cause a
reaction in one cat, but enough to set off allergies in the other.

As to the valium, this would not be my first choice for the type of
obsessive compulsive behavior your cat is exhibiting (which could also
be allergy related.) Prozac would be a better option and has fewer risks
and side effects than valium, although the focus should be on finding
out what is causing this. I wouldn't want to drug the cat because it
will make it hard to find out if improvement in the behavior is because
of the change in diet or because of the drug.

Seriously, if these were my cats I would get them off the dry food
immediately and try what I suggested above. Results are not instant and
it can take several weeks to see improvement, but it's certainly a
better option than resorting to drugs if you don't have to. There is
also a great benefit to feeding canned food as dry is not an appropriate
diet for cats and is suspected incausing a variety of problems with
allergies, kidney failure, diabetes and IBD on the top of the list. You
can read more about the problems with dry food here (which may address
the issues of your one cat throwing up): http://www.catnutrition.org
and also read why canned food is the best diet for cats here:
http://catsincanada.com/articles/feeding.html

Megan

                                   
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Lorna - 18 Mar 2005 22:48 GMT
> >Today our vet has given Nikki
>>(10-year-old burmese) a second cortisone
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
>
> Megan

Thanks Megan for your advice and for the links - I've saved your message and
will check out the links tonight...............Lorna

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