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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / March 2005*URGENT* Purrs Needed (LONG)
Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn *BLIND*! I told you guys that my 15-year-old, Bandit, had her teeth cleaned on Feb. 25 - a week ago last Friday. Well, since then she has been even meaner and grumpier than usual, growling and hiss-spitting at everyone and everything. My reaction to that (**@$$HOLE**) was to leave her alone except to pet and brush her head and back to try and soothe her. I figured she had a touch of arthritis that all the fighting at the vet's had aggravated (**STUPID**). Sunday she was walking even more stiff than usual, then yesterday afternoon I noticed a horrible smell from her. I attributed that to her getting litter all over her hind quarters when she urinates. Every night when I give them their canned food I pick her up off my bed and take her over to the food dish to make sure she eats OK and none of the younger cats eat her share. Last night when I picked her up a felt something wet on her stomach. Again, I though litter box (she's long haired and sometimes when she squats down in the litter box her rear quarter will get wet and litter will stick - I brush her off every night. So last night at around 9:10PM I was brushing her and decided to turn her over to make sure I got any stuck litter off of her tummy. Ohmygawd, I was appalled at what I saw. Bandit had lost the hair on her belly and there was a *HUGE* area (about 2 1/2 inches in diameter) that looked like a big, weeping blister. The stench (*horrible* smell) was coming from that. I had just taken my Ambien, Alluna, Melatonin, and 2 muscle relaxers (Zanaflex), so I screamed for DH to come down and drive us to the emergency vet. We got there at 9:30PM, but I was so out of it from the meds I didn't even realize it wasn't until about 11:45PM before the doctor even saw us. They had to give Bandit 2 shots of sedative in order to calm her down enough to handle her. The would *NOT* let me handle her (hospital pollicy bullsh*t), no matter how much I begged. I was *SO* worried about them giving her so much sedative when she was in an obviously weakened state. Finally they let us back in to see her so I would hold her down on her back while the vet looked at the sore. The vet said it looked like a burn, possibly a chemical burn but more likely a heat burn (she kept asking us if there was something Bandit could have been burned on at home). There is *NOTHING* in my house, either chemical or heat, that could have burned Bandit. Our heating vents are on the ceiling and Bandit doesn't even come upstairs much less go into the kitchen by the stove. Then I thought about the report I posted hear from when she had her teeth cleaned and they had something on there about a heated recovery. I know Bandit is a *VERY* bad cat at the vets and it's possible that the techs didn't check on her as often as they might have another cat. But do you think that she could have been burned by the heating pad they used???!! I am *SICK* with worry, self-recriminations, and just plain outrage that my baby could have been in such horrible pain for *10 DAYS* without my even knowing it. The emergency vet gave us some Clavamix, some pain pills, and some Sulfadine (SP??) cream to put on the wound and I'm supposed to call my regular vet this morning. I just don't know if I can *TRUST* my regular vet - OK, it may have been a mistake, they happen, or neglect by a vet tech and the vet may have had no idea anything happened, but it makes me wonder. What should I do??? Any advice????? Please send lots of purrs that my baby gets better soon!! DH is staying home with her today and I'm going to try to get off the rest of the week. I'll keep you all posted on how she is. Thanks for listening, guys. Hugs, CatNipped > Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn > *BLIND*! [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > CatNipped You are not stupid, nor blind. Bandit had a procedure done and you thought the behavior etc, was from that, and the smell was from litter box issues. As soon as you knew about her belly, you and your husband did a phenomenal job of getting her care. I think you should call your regular vet to let them know of the situation (the sore, meds, etc). I know how horrible you are feeling right now, and this could prevent the same situation happening to another cat and his/her family. If there was neglect of a tech, then the vet needs to know for quality assurance. That being said. Depending upon how happy you have been at your regular vet in the past, how they handle the present situation, and your gut feeling, you may or may not want to search for another vet in your area. Many, many healing thoughts headed to your family's way. May Bandit's belly heal soon. > You are not stupid, nor blind. Bandit had a procedure done and you thought > the behavior etc, was from that, and the smell was from litter box issues. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > belly > heal soon. Actually, I just got off the phone with my vet and I feel *SO* much better about her. *SHE* brought up the probability that it was the heating element that caused the burn - no denial, no excuses - she said that no other injection nor the anesthesia would cause something like that. They immediately pulled the heating blanket out of use as soon as the emergency vet called them this morning and are going to have it thoroughly checked out before using it again. I know that mistakes happen and can forgive that, and the fact that she is willing to, up front, take responsibility makes me trust her even more. I really do like this vet, so Bandit is going to see her today at 12:30. I'll keep you posted. Hugs, CatNipped > Actually, I just got off the phone with my vet and I feel *SO* much better > about her. *SHE* brought up the probability that it was the heating element [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > vet called them this morning and are going to have it thoroughly checked out > before using it again. That's a reasonable response. > I know that mistakes happen and can forgive that, and the fact that she is > willing to, up front, take responsibility makes me trust her even more. I > really do like this vet, so Bandit is going to see her today at 12:30. I'll > keep you posted. Best wished to Bandit for a quick recovery.  SignatureCheryl > Actually, I just got off the phone with my vet and I feel *SO* much better > about her. *SHE* brought up the probability that it was the heating element [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > CatNipped That does show a great character. I'm so glad that she was totally cooperative. You will feel most better now. > > Actually, I just got off the phone with my vet and I feel *SO* much > > better [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > That does show a great character. I'm so glad that she was totally > cooperative. You will feel most better now. Good comment. Every study I've ever seen about human malpractice suggests that suits are minimized if the practitioner is perceived as communicative, and if they immediately tell family, etc., about a possible error. The lawyers argue that physicians shouldn't admit anything, but the data generally suggests that they are wrong in planning a defense against a lawsuit that may never happen if there's frank discussion at the beginning. > Good comment. Every study I've ever seen about human malpractice > suggests that suits are minimized if the practitioner is perceived as [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > planning a defense against a lawsuit that may never happen if there's > frank discussion at the beginning. EXACTLY! The fact that she brought up, even before I did, that it was their fault made me feel like, OK, this is an honest person with the strength of character to admit that they made a mistake. People make mistakes - we all do - it's part of being human. It's when they try to deny it or cover it up that makes me angry. Her admitting that they made a mistake and were really sorry about it made me trust them more and feel forgiving and willing to forget it and get on with Bandit's treatment and recovery. Hugs, CatNipped > > You are not stupid, nor blind. Bandit had a procedure done and you thought > > the behavior etc, was from that, and the smell was from litter box issues. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > CatNipped Wonderful:) What a great response from your vet. I am glad that she was up front, etc. It would make me trust her even more as well. I hope Bandit gets a clean bill of health :) > > You are not stupid, nor blind. Bandit had a procedure done and you thought > > the behavior etc, was from that, and the smell was from litter box issues. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > CatNipped I'm really glad to read this. Healing purrs are still on their way, and I hope you can stop beating yourself up now. I can well believe it was the heating element that caused the burns. I use a heating pad in bed almost every night, and have never been burned, but my husband once got quite a burn on his rear end from a heating pad. Those things happen, unfortunately. Come to think of it, he was not in the best condition, health-wise, when it happened. Maybe someone (or somecat) who is having health problems is more susceptible to these tings. Joy Joy > I can well believe it was the heating element that caused the burns. I use > a heating pad in bed almost every night, and have never been burned, but my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Joy Yeah, even if you're not sick, just getting older leaves you susceptible to those things. You skin gets thinner and less able to ward off irritations - so something that might just make a younger person's skin turn red might cause a bad burn on an older person. I assume the same holds true for cats. Hugs, CatNipped >> I can well believe it was the heating element that caused the burns. I >use [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >so something that might just make a younger person's skin turn red might >cause a bad burn on an older person. I assume the same holds true for cats. Plus, if Bandit was on the heating pad while she was still groggy from the anaesthetic, she might have been slow to realize that she was too hot and move off it. As I understand it, many human burns from heating pads happen when the individual is medicated, or deeply asleep, and so doesn't shift position instinctively when the skin against the heating pad becomes too hot. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > Actually, I just got off the phone with my vet and I feel *SO* much better > about her. *SHE* brought up the probability that it was the heating element [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > vet called them this morning and are going to have it thoroughly checked out > before using it again. I'm coming to this late. Your vet sounds like a good sort. :o) Many purrs to Bandit that she recovers soon. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki Really sorry no hear of your Bandit's problems. Big purrs that she heals soon. FWIW I'd take her back to the vet's where it must've happened & explain things, if only to see how they react. Then you can make the decision whether to trust them in future or not. Utmost best wishes Gordon, Bandit 2 & Snowball. > Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn > *BLIND*! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > meaner and grumpier than usual, growling and hiss-spitting at everyone > and everything. Okay, deep breath now..... A few things in defense of the vet...... It is NOT a good idea to let the owner hold their pet during an examination, especially if the animal is fractious or in pain. Because all it takes it for the animal to freak out, bite the owner in defending itself because it doesn't know what's going on, and then the owner will turn around and sue the vet on the grounds that what they did caused their own pet to bite them. Yes, I know it sucks. But it has happened. Of course there are those instances where the owner is the ONLY one that can calm the animal enough for the vet to examine them. We had a Siamese that REFUSED to come out of the cage and swiped at anything that came at him. We had to have the owner come in and coax him out. But that is the doctor's call to take that risk. Second, a heated recovery is normally NOT on a heating pad, because of the potential for thermal burns. The only time a heating pad is used, at least at my clinic, is during surgery to prevent hypothermia, and it's under a towel, never direct contact. When we heat animals in recovery, we normally will heat a fluid bag, and wrap it in a towel, which is what is SUPPOSED to be done. Thirdly, since it's been over a week since she got her teeth cleaned, it's possible that the injury was not that big to begin with. It could have gotten to the point of a huge blister because Bandit had been licking it for such a long time, like a hot spot. I have see hot spots six inches wide that were not there the day before, but the animal licked and licked and made it a whole lot worse. And on that note, it's possible that it's NOT a burn in the first place, but an injury that has gotten aggravated from her cleaning it. If it looked a like a huge blister and stuck (from tissue necrosis) it could have just given the appearance of a burn. Who knows for sure? The Sulfadine cream is a sulfa drug and will help soothe the skin a little. I'm very sorry that it happened and that Bandit is in pain and you and an emotional wreck and here's a big *HUG* I remember when I found my parakeet limping, and noticed a huge growth on his leg, and I was kicking myself that I had not noticed and he was in pain for a while. Big purrs to you and Bandit..... Kristi > Okay, deep breath now..... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > owner will turn around and sue the vet on the grounds that what they > did caused their own pet to bite them. I know, but I even said I would sign a waiver. I talked to her regular vet since then (see my follow-up post) and feel better. Her regular vet said that when she examines her today I could hold her so she doesn't have to be sedated again. I am *very* used to Bandit biting me - down to the bone. It just doesn't freak me out since it's happened so often - I just deal with it. > Yes, I know it sucks. But it has happened. Of course there are those > instances where the owner is the ONLY one that can calm the animal [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > recovery, we normally will heat a fluid bag, and wrap it in a towel, > which is what is SUPPOSED to be done. Again, see my other post - the vet said they used the heating pad during surgery (teeth cleaning) and recovery to prevent hypothermia and it was either placed incorrectly or something was wrong with the unit (they pulled it from service until it can be examined). The fact that she told me this up front actually made me feel better about the vet. I understand that mistakes happen - it sucks that it happened to my baby, but what can you do - it wasn't done deliberately and I'm sure they feel really bad about it. > Thirdly, since it's been over a week since she got her teeth cleaned, > it's possible that the injury was not that big to begin with. It could [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > huge blister and stuck (from tissue necrosis) it could have just given > the appearance of a burn. Who knows for sure? I'm taking her in at 12:30 today, but the emergency vet thought it was a burn and my vet agrees. But, yes, it probably was aggravated by her licking at it. What gets me is the smell - that freaks me out completely the fact that it could be gangrenous! > The Sulfadine cream is a sulfa drug and will help soothe the skin a > little. I'm very sorry that it happened and that Bandit is in pain and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Big purrs to you and Bandit..... Thanks Kristi, I really need them, I'm a wreck! Hugs, CatNipped > Kristi >the owner will turn around and sue the vet on the grounds that what they > did caused their own pet to bite them. >>I know, but I even said I would sign a waiver. Yeah, but in this day an age, not many vets are willing to take the chance. It's sort of a "Cover your A**" policy. >the vet said they used the heating pad during surgery (teeth cleaning) and recovery to prevent hypothermia and it >was either placed incorrectly or something was wrong with the unit I would think so. We don't use heating pads during dentals, only during surgeries, and even when heating is applied in any way, especially during recovery, the techs are supposed to keep an eye on them. Ironically we learned about burns this semester, and my professor should us pictures of a thermal burn from a heated fluid bag. It's quite possible it was a first or second degree burn that over time with her licking it got worse. I read you updates and I'm glad that the vet is taking care of it free of charge. Someone really made a mistake. Kristi > I would think so. We don't use heating pads during dentals, only > during surgeries, and even when heating is applied in any way, > especially during recovery, the techs are supposed to keep an eye on > them. Ironically we learned about burns this semester, and my > professor should us pictures of a thermal burn from a heated fluid bag. Yep, if you get right down to it, it was probably Bandit's own fault for being so darn mean. People are very afraid to get around her. She has such a loud voice and she screams in rage and sounds just like a cougar - very intimidating. So I can understand a vet tech not wanting to touch her in order to check her if she seemed to be resting peacefully. Not really excusable, but understandable. > It's quite possible it was a first or second degree burn that over time > with her licking it got worse. Yeah, when she first came home I didn't see any marks on her at all, so the burn was probably covered by her hair at first and then as it become septic the hair started falling out. > I read you updates and I'm glad that the vet is taking care of it free > of charge. Someone really made a mistake. Yep, but mistakes do happen, so I'm willing to forgive and forget - and hopefully that's a mistake that won't happen there again! Hugs, CatNipped > Kristi > The Sulfadine cream is a sulfa drug and will help soothe the skin a > little. I'm very sorry that it happened and that Bandit is in pain and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Kristi I can't tell you how much I've been going over what I might have missed to get Grant in sooner. I think it is just natural. [[It is NOT a good idea to let the owner hold their pet during an examination, especially if the animal is fractious or in pain. Because all it takes it for the animal to freak out, bite the owner in defending itself because it doesn't know what's going on, and then the owner will turn around and sue the vet on the grounds that what they did caused their own pet to bite them.]] I would SO like to swat those dunderheaded owners! Believe me, if my handling the pet makes the difference between it cooperating even minimally, and not cooperating at all, I'd happily sign a waiver declaring "I won't sue this vet if I'm bitten or scratched during the treatment". In the case of Harmony (RB) my assistance made a big, BIG difference between her being in a panic and being calm enough to be treated, so I gladly helped handle the cat and never got hurt. But if I had, I'd have considered it to be nobody's fault, just a normal hazard when a cat who fears strangers is being handled by unknown people in an unfamiliar place. If all owners were that realistic, more of us would be allowed to help calm our pets down as needed. JMO, your mileage may vary, and all that good stuff. Donna > I would SO like to swat those dunderheaded owners! Believe me, if my > handling the pet makes the difference between it cooperating even minimally, > and not cooperating at all, I'd happily sign a waiver declaring "I won't sue > this vet if I'm bitten or scratched during the treatment". It's not just vets. I ran into this when I wanted to visit Eros in the shelter (long story, not gonna rehash it). I just wanted to make sure he had some human contact until he found an owner. The shelter manager passed me on through, but I had some trouble with the regular volunteers. Eventually it got to the point where the shelter manager just gave me the key to his condo when I showed up. Anyway, apparently you can't come visit the cats at the shelter unless you are a volunteer specifically detailed to do so or you are a potential owner. They don't want you getting scratched. This made me very sad, as I'd imagine that lots of people wouldn't mind visiting some kitties but don't have time for a volunteer seminar and the several-hours-every-week commitment they require. It especially makes me sad when I know there are cats that have been at the shelter long enough that the humans are concerned the cats are becoming unsocialized. That being said, I do realize that there are probably sanitation policies that need to be enforced and that having a bunch of people wandering in and out of the cat area all the time wouldn't be the greatest idea, either. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Top post for the purrs to cat and hoomins. > Okay, deep breath now..... > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > to have the owner come in and coax him out. But that is the doctor's > call to take that risk. I understand the concern. It's been frustrating to me with emergency rooms. At the same time, I've never had a vet that knew me hesitate to ask me to help control a cat -- in fact, they will actively ask me, and occasionally to help in procedures. I'm sure that this has much to do with the same reasons that I don't have much problem with hoomin doctors. Indeed, I have now had one (ex)wife and two cats bury their faces in my belly when getting corticosteroid shots into a joint. It surprised me somewhat, but there were timed during my ex's extensive medical treatments that I'd even get drafted when a nurse wasn't available. There was even a time or two where her gynecologist, her hands full, asked me to take cultures or irrigate wounds, things I hadn't done in years. There's another dimension of this that I've rarely heard discussed. In pediatrics, especially in the better childrens' hospitals, there is a general policy of NEVER involving the parent in a procedure that will cause pain, so the parent is always seen in a supportive role. Obviously, there's both theory and practice. Up until I finally learned to relax my muscles when getting an injection, it usually took all nearby adults to hold me down to get a shot. With the slight exception of Chattereley (RB), all my cats have wanted comforting while they were having an uncomfortable procedure. As you say, it's the doctor's call. My impression is that it's considered routine to have farmers help with large animal care, in part because a great deal of strength may be needed. Of course, there probably aren't many bonding issues with cows and pigs, but I'd imagine there are some interesting issues with horses. So, even when the hoomins are qualified, there may be other issues. Kristi, have you run into the situation where a vet simply does not want the cat to associate the procedure with the human? It hasn't been a problem for me -- I seem a calming influence, where they will stop struggling, even wrapped, when I hold a leg to have blood drawn. > Second, a heated recovery is normally NOT on a heating pad, because of > the potential for thermal burns. The only time a heating pad is used, > at least at my clinic, is during surgery to prevent hypothermia, and > it's under a towel, never direct contact. When we heat animals in > recovery, we normally will heat a fluid bag, and wrap it in a towel, > which is what is SUPPOSED to be done. Agreed for most human practice. There are special cases where you must use heat, such as open heart surgery that uses deliberate hypothermia. > Thirdly, since it's been over a week since she got her teeth cleaned, > it's possible that the injury was not that big to begin with. It could [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > little. I'm very sorry that it happened and that Bandit is in pain and > you and an emotional wreck and here's a big *HUG* Sulfadine -- silver sulfadiazine -- is generally accepted as the best burn treatment we have. Mafenide was used for a while, and did prevent infection, but caused severe pain when applied. My concern/curiosity here, and perhaps, Kristi, you can shed some light on this, is that the treatment of second and third degree human burns does involve not just Silvadene and dressings, but debridement, usually with a specialized bath. I can just picture the reaction of the typical cat on having to have frequent baths, followed by sometimes painful debridement and dressing changes. Even a generally tolerant cat probably would need ketamine or an equivalent. Is this done in severe cat burns? > I understand the concern. It's been frustrating to me with emergency > rooms. At the same time, I've never had a vet that knew me hesitate to > ask me to help control a cat -- in fact, they will actively ask me, and > occasionally to help in procedures. <snip> I have always been asked to help hold my cats. Especially Mandy, the Terror of the Vetinary Profession, except when she gets so furious and aggressive the vet wants me to just stand back a bit for safety. > There's another dimension of this that I've rarely heard discussed. In > pediatrics, especially in the better childrens' hospitals, there is a > general policy of NEVER involving the parent in a procedure that will > cause pain, so the parent is always seen in a supportive role. <snip> I've heard that, but when I was hospitalized as an infant, my parents were not permitted to see me until I was discharged. I've been told I didn't recognized them then! I wasn't contagious; the theory was that if a child's parents kept visiting, the child wouldn't settle down and would fret and cry for them. Of course, this wasn't in one of the 'better childrens' hospitals', it wasn't in a childrens' hospital at all, but in the childrens' ward of a small rural hospital, and it was many years ago. SignatureCheryl > My concern/curiosity here, and perhaps, Kristi, you can shed some light > on this, is that the treatment of second and third degree human burns [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > changes. Even a generally tolerant cat probably would need ketamine or > an equivalent. Is this done in severe cat burns? They actually had me laving the area with warm water before applying the Sivadine (corrected spelling). But not debriding. However, her regular vet is going to surgically remove the necrotic tissue the first thing in the morning. This will prevent dead tissue from being reabsorbed into the body and slowing poisoning her. Hugs, CatNipped >My concern/curiosity here, and perhaps, Kristi, you can shed some light on this, is that the treatment of second >>and third degree human burns does involve not just Silvadene and dressings, but debridement, usually with a specialized bath. I had to consult my notes on this one, and that's bad since I have a test on this next Tuesday. I should already know this.............:) According to my notes, second degree burns can be treated with a wet to dry bandage. When it is removed 24 hours later, it should peel off any necrotic tissue. Then the sulfadine cream, along with analgesics is the next form of treatment. if needed the wound will be bandaged to absorb any exudate the wound produces, and the bandage changed periodically until granulation tissue is evident. Now, third degree burns, that definitely require anesthetizing the animal for debridement. I've never heard of a special bath for a burn patient before. That's something I'd have to ask my professor. But this incident is the first actual burn case I've really "seen" I haven't seen it in my clinic before, but burns can happen in different ways, so they can happen. >> My concern/curiosity here, and perhaps, Kristi, you can shed some > light on this, is that the treatment of second >>and third degree human [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > haven't seen it in my clinic before, but burns can happen in different > ways, so they can happen. My nephew pulled a hot cup of coffee on his little barenekkid self when he was a toddler. Got second and third degree burns. He had to go to this pool every couple of days for soaking. >>> My concern/curiosity here, and perhaps, Kristi, you can shed some >> light on this, is that the treatment of second >>and third degree human [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >was a toddler. Got second and third degree burns. He had to go to this pool >every couple of days for soaking. My father was a teenager during the Great Depression of the 1930's. He knew a girl who had been badly scalded as a child. Her mother had burned a batch of oatmeal, and, in frustration, had opened the back door and flung the contents of the pan out the door. Her daughter came around the corner of the house just in time to receive the oatmeal fully in the face. The oatmeal stuck, and burned her worse than water would have. The family was too poor to afford plastic surgery, and the girl was an outcast in high school due to her disfigurement. She ended up jumping off a cliff during the senior-class picnic. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria Poor girl! How absolutely tragic! SignaturePolonca & Soncek > My father was a teenager during the Great Depression of the 1930's. > He knew a girl who had been badly scalded as a child. Her mother had [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > outcast in high school due to her disfigurement. She ended up jumping > off a cliff during the senior-class picnic. > Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn > *BLIND*! First off, {{{{{BIG CALMING HUGS CATNIPPED}}}}. Many purrs and prayers that Bandit is on the mend soon. Stop beating on yourself - as soon as you noticed you got appropriate care. We've all been there in one way or another. > The emergency vet gave us some Clavamix, some pain pills, and some Sulfadine > (SP??) cream to put on the wound and I'm supposed to call my regular vet [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > What should I do??? Any advice????? Please send lots of purrs that my baby > gets better soon!! Here's what you do. You get a report from the ER vet stating where he thinks the wound came from and how long it's been there. Then, depending on your relationship with your vet you arrange an appointment with him and raise your concerns in a calm, rational manner. Explain what the ER vet said, and explain why you didn't pick it up sooner. Explain that you believe that you believe that something *may* have been overlooked, and ask him to investigate what happened. Try not to apportion blame, but explain that you are concerned because you know that Bandit can be difficult and it *may* have happened because she can be unco-operative. See what happens and take it from there. If he's nice about it and addresses your concerns then carry on using him and keep an eye on the situation. If he's a tw*t about it, then consider changing vets. Hugs for you and Bandit, purrs that her tummy is on the mend soon. Helen m > DH is staying home with her today and I'm going to try to get off the rest > of the week. I'll keep you all posted on how she is. Thanks for listening, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > CatNipped Purrs from everyone up here, and stop beating yourself up -- you need that energy to take care of your baby! Nina in North Texas, servant to: Snickelfritz (RB), Pixel (RB 12/03), Rusty (RB 9/04), Seth (RB 12/04), Skeeter, Kyle, Jake, and T.K. [Tuxedo Kitty] SignatureProfessional proofreading doesn’t cost – it pays! ninaproofs@earthlink.net www.ninaproofs.com Oh Lori how awful. Well, first, calm down and realize that she is getting helped now. Second, write everything out first about what the vet said this was and how you heard something about "heated recovery", detail out what you have in your home. I think the main thing is to try and write everything out ahead of time. Cats are so stoic (as I found out with Grant) it is really hard to tell and hindsight is 20/20. On top of it she has long hair!! She will get better and we will send EXTRA huge purrs for the whole family. Please keep us posted. Remember if we were perfect we'd be gods. We do the best we can. > Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn > *BLIND*! [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > CatNipped > Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn > *BLIND*! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > CatNipped Awwww, you aren't blind, Lori! You didn't have any idea and your assumptions were perfectly reasonable. I'm just glad you found the hot spot when you did and took Bandit back for treatment. Purrs and birdie chirps for Bandit and for you and DH and the other felines in the household. Jill First of all, purrs fit to register on the Richter scale are on their way, pronto. Second of all, the purrs are for both Bandit and YOU. Stop beating up on yourself. Every person here can attest to how well cats can conceal what's wrong with them until the last possible moment. It's a survival technique that's been hard-wired into them since the dawn of time, and we humans are flat-out not equipped to see through the ruse sometimes. And unfortunately, this is compounded by the fact that when we have a senior-citizen kitty, it's normal for them to be less active than a younger cat. So how is it possible to tell if the inactivity is due, not only to their age, but to their feeling out-of-sorts? The answer is, sometimes it's NOT possible to tell the difference. Besides, when there's no reason in creation for you to expect this type of injury to exist, you're certainly not going to go LOOKING for it. Definitely, let the regular vet know ASAP what happened. Chances are, the darn heating pad malfunctioned and other pets are at risk of having the same sort of accident happen. (And if they somehow caused this injury, IMO they should help foot the emergency vet bill and/or provide vet care for free when they're treating it.) I think we all can empathize with that moment when it VERY ABRUPTLY becomes apparent that our cat is injured or ill. It's enough to give a person ten kinds of heart attack. But don't waste energy beating yourself up. Instead, spend the energy doting on Bandit. You'll need it to keep up with all the extra skritchies and pats being sent by me and the rest of the group. Donna, Captain, and Stanley If he mentions money one more time to me, I'll not be responsible for what I do to him. OK, we're living more hand-to-mouth now than ever before, but we aren't paupers. Yes it did cost $183.00 10 days ago for Bandit's teeth cleaning. Yes, it did cost $250.00 last night for the emergency vet. And *YES* it will cost whatever it costs today for the regular vet visit! But *DO NOT* tell me we can't afford it you %&*&$%!!!! I'd be willing to bet if it were him with an infected burn over most of his stomach he wouldn't be worried about how much it would cost to get him medical treatment!!!! *THIS* is what we have the $10,000 line of credit on the MBNA card for! *THIS* is an emergency that *WILL* be taken care of!! Grrrrrrrrrr. Hugs, CatNipped > If he mentions money one more time to me, I'll not be responsible for what I > do to him. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > CatNipped From what I can gather, that is just kind of "requistite hubby job" to make the obligatory "we are spending too much on the cat" statements even though they may not feel that way. He is staying home with her today. Just breath in and breath out :) Besides, it's already spent. (If he is really a pain about it, ask him did he really want to watch Bandit with that SORE on her stomach suffering a few more hours?) >Yes, it did cost $250.00 last night for the >emergency vet. And *YES* it will cost >whatever it costs today for the regular vet >visit! 1. There should be no charge for examining and treating an injury the vet caused. 2. They should be reimbursing you for the emergency clinic fees since they caused the injury. You need to be clear to them about that. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > >Yes, it did cost $250.00 last night for the >>emergency vet. And *YES* it will cost [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Megan I know, and I would appreciate it if they did treat her for free (I didn't discuss this with the vet, but I will at her appointment), but if they don't I'm *NOT* going to keep her from being treated no matter what it costs!' Hugs, CatNipped > "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do > nothing." [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - W.H. Murray > >Yes, it did cost $250.00 last night for the > >emergency vet. And *YES* it will cost [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Megan Good point. Lori, she is right! They had better reimburse you. What gall. I agree wholeheartedly with you on this. If it was the vets fault then CatNipped should definately claim free treatment for Bandit Jean.P. > >Yes, it did cost $250.00 last night for the > >emergency vet. And *YES* it will cost [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - W.H. Murray > If he mentions money one more time to me, I'll not be responsible for what I > do to him. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Grrrrrrrrrr. Poor Lori. YMMV, but what I have discovered is that my husband thinks griping about things like this is part of his duties somehow. He doesn't really mind, as he loves the cats too. It's like a reflex to b*tch about money laid out. He doesn't even get very emotionally invested in it and has gotten surprised when I have. "I didn't say we shouldn't spend it, I'm just saying ...." he has said. Men! > If he mentions money one more time to me, I'll not be responsible for what I > do to him. > But *DO NOT* tell me we can't afford it you %&*&$%!!!! I'd be willing to > bet if it were him with an infected burn over most of his stomach he > wouldn't be worried about how much it would cost to get him medical > treatment!!!! *THIS* is what we have the $10,000 line of credit on the MBNA > card for! *THIS* is an emergency that *WILL* be taken care of!!/// TBH, Lori, I suspect that DH means none of it. My dad was like this over Robbie when he had to go in for a dental. He ranted on and on to my mother about how Robbie was only a cat, he didn't need vet treatment, all the expense and $$$, get rid of the cat, yadda, yadda. Mom went to pick up Robbie from the vet, and it turns out that on the quiet my dad has called the vet 3 times during the day from work to check everything was OK with surgery & Robbie (This was a bog standard, routine dental BTW), he had left his cell phone number with the vet in case of problems, and had got his secretary to ring up and check twice when dad was in meetings. The vet thought it was hysterical when he had been most insistent on the phone to the techs that they were "not to tell his wife he was so concerned over the damn cat!" It's probably a coping mechanism. Ride it out and ignore him - that's what wives do. ;o) {{{HUGS LORI & BANDIT}}} Helen M > TBH, Lori, I suspect that DH means none of it. My dad was like this > over Robbie when he had to go in for a dental. He ranted on and on to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Helen M ROFL!! I love it. The vet thought it was hysterical when he had > > been most insistent on the phone to the techs that they were "not to > > tell his wife he was so concerned over the damn cat!" Last spring DP and I spent about $1000 on Kumani. The vets are still not sure what she had, but after 3 days on IV and antibiotics and antiinflammataries she rallied and recovered. Some kind of kitty flu, they suspect. How she caught it when she's never left the apartment, I don't know... ...but yeah, we HAD to do it. She's our KID, and our responsibility. Purrs for Bandit. --Fil > Last spring DP and I spent about $1000 on Kumani. The vets are still > not sure what she had, but after 3 days on IV and antibiotics and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > --Fil Exactly. We keep the MBNA card in the safety deposit box so that we will only use it after really considering if we need to - a real emergency, not just an impulse buy. And this is an emergency. We found out later that the vet is going to pick up the cost for all of this so the question is moot (and even before that DH admitted that yeah we had to, he just needed to bit*h about our going into even more debt), but I would have pulled out that card in a New York second. Hugs, CatNipped So very glad to hear your vet is going to pick up the cost for all of this. Lots of healing purrs and best wishes for Bandit. We are still purring and sending best wishes for you to get the raise, CN, SignaturePolonca & Soncek > Exactly. We keep the MBNA card in the safety deposit box so that we will > only use it after really considering if we need to - a real emergency, not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > CatNipped > Exactly. We keep the MBNA card in the safety deposit box so that we > will only use it after really considering if we need to - a real [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > more debt), but I would have pulled out that card in a New York > second. I'm glad Bandit is getting the treatment she needs without you getting deeper in debt. Continuing purrs. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. LOL, I love it. Mr. Tough Guy had to keep checking on the kitty cat, but wanted to maintain his reputation intact. =o) Nevertheless, Hugs, Lori. You don't need the stress on top of everything else. I was fortunate in that my Mom stepped in and paid for Francesca's C-section last June, but before she made the offer, I was ready to bite the bullet and put it on my credit card. When the cat needs help, the cat needs help! I'd hug Bandit, but I'm sure in her present state, she wouldn't appreciate it in the least. Purrs that she'll feel better soon. I'd definitely say the regular vet owes you a free visit, this time. Melissa >Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn >*BLIND*! Oh Lori. You and DH did your best, and did a great job of getting her attention. Purrs for your nerves, and for your poor baby. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Omg, how awful, Lori; I can't begin to think how you must feel -- mega power purrs going out for poor Bandit and also for your nerves. Please let us know if we can do anything. Christine, Omar, Oreo, Midnight, Robin & Tucker > Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn > *BLIND*! [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > CatNipped ---------------------<snip>---------------------- >Bandit had lost the hair on her belly and there was a *HUGE* area (about 2 >1/2 inches in diameter) that looked like a big, weeping blister. The stench >(*horrible* smell) was coming from that. ---------------------<snip>---------------------- Oh, the poor little thing! Please don't blame yourself. You know that sometimes an animal will just go "off" a bit, and then perk up again. It sounds like things are in hand now though, so buck up! Many purrs that this clears up quickly. Regards and Purrs, O J Mega purrs for Bandit, and for you as well! SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn > *BLIND*! [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > CatNipped As everybody else has said, Lori, it happens to all of us. Darn kitties don't tell us when they're sick. Loudest purrs to {{{you & Bandit.}}} Katz > Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn > *BLIND*! [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Alluna, Melatonin, and 2 muscle relaxers (Zanaflex), so I screamed for DH to > come down and drive us to the emergency vet. SNIP Hugs and purrs to you, and to Bandit for a fast recovery. Mistakes will happen, and cats are good at hiding their pain. As soon as you discovered her injury, you got her help fast. I hope she's more comfortable now, and that she has a rapid recovery. Melissa aw, sounds scarey, so we will purr and pray that poor Bandit recovers quickly and without any adverse effects. Don't blame yourself, at least Bandit is now on the way to recovery. Keep us updated. Jazz & his mama SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time > Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn > *BLIND*! [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > CatNipped > Oh gawd, I am *SO* freakin' *STUPID*. How could I have been so d*mn > *BLIND*! You are not stupid, nor blind. Why would you expect something like this? Bandit's long-haired, not exactly the girl to flash her tummy at you a lot, is she? So calming down purrs for you coming. I could have said the same thing to myself, when Kitty was injured last year. Came home, very very hot day, saw her meatloafing in the the neighbour's drive. Enjoying the sun I though, how that old lady enjoys the sun! I spoke to her, she gave me her silent miaow and I thought no more of it. Until she hadn't come home the next day and I found her still in next door's place. I knew immediately there was something seriously wrong with her. The rest is history, and she recovered, thank Bast, with a nice large vet's bill ;-) Now, why didn't I realise she was injured when I first saw her? Because she didn't act like she was, that's why. With hindsight, I should have known that it was unusual for her not to come over to me when I arrived home. Others have said how adept cats are at hiding the fact that they are ill, or injured. I did not know this, so she suffered for 16 hours more than she needed to if I was psychic. I think I wrote before on here that I have given up guilt. Guilt for something that's not my fault, I mean. Guilt, when you know in your heart of hearts that you did right by what you thought at the time, is bad for your soul. Guilt for something you deliberately did wrong is justifiable. You didn't do wrong. Purrs and prayers that Bandit will feel better soon. I'm glad the vet was up front about it, that's very ethical. I'd be very happy about that and it would certainly make me want to stay with them. They should certainly treat her free of charge, since they caused it. You might try to get the emergency fee back from them, they may agree straight away, but it might not be worth arguing over it if you have a good relationship. Although.. they know they should pay it. Maybe they will. I'm lucky that my vets are available 24/7, 52/52. There is no such thing as a different emergency vet for my cats. They are it. You did good, Catnipped. You got her veterinary attention as soon as you spotted it. That's all a good meowmie can do. Tweed Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating myself up for not catching it sooner!). The vet is going to make sure she removes all the dead tissue and close up the wound with stainless steel sutures. She's going to give her intravenous antibiotics and fluid. The vet said she has a really good chance of a complete recovery. She has to stay at the vet's tonight and will have her surgery first thing in the morning and then should be able to come home tomorrow around 4:00PM. Please continue sending purrs for her surgery and recovery. Thanks! Hugs, CatNipped Oh, and the vet is going to reimburse me for the emergency vet charges and there will be no charge for the surgery or medications she needs - she just kept saying how sorry she was that Bandit and I had to go through this. This vet is definitely a keeper! Hugs, CatNipped > Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the > wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating myself [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > CatNipped > Oh, and the vet is going to reimburse me for the emergency vet charges and > there will be no charge for the surgery or medications she needs - she just [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > CatNipped THIS was really icing on the cake! Now for everything to go smoothly and poor Bandit to heal up well and being able to forget about the owie... SignatureChristine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) gmail (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 photos: http://community.webshots.com/user/chkr63 > Oh, and the vet is going to reimburse me for the emergency vet charges and > there will be no charge for the surgery or medications she needs - she just > kept saying how sorry she was that Bandit and I had to go through this. > This vet is definitely a keeper! Fantastic! > Oh, and the vet is going to reimburse me for the emergency vet > charges and there will be no charge for the surgery or medications [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > CatNipped Mega purrs continuing with soft birdie chirps. Poor Bandit. But don't beat yourself up. Bandit will be fine :) Jill >> Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue >> from the wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> CatNipped Hurray for a good vet, and so good for your purse strings Lori. And most of all, hurray that Bonnie's prognosis sounds excellent Jean.P. > Oh, and the vet is going to reimburse me for the emergency vet charges and > there will be no charge for the surgery or medications she needs - she just [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > > > CatNipped > Oh, and the vet is going to reimburse me for the emergency vet charges and > there will be no charge for the surgery or medications she needs - she just > kept saying how sorry she was that Bandit and I had to go through this. > This vet is definitely a keeper! > > Hugs, Oh, I am so glad to hear this! DO they know for sure how it happened? Was she on a heating pad? -L. > Oh, I am so glad to hear this! DO they know for sure how it happened? > Was she on a heating pad? > > -L. Yes, it was the heating pad that did it. They checked their pads (fluid-filled??) and couldn't find anything wrong so I think it was probably the vet techs were so afraid of my little monster cat that they didn't turn her or check on her so she stayed in one position on the pad for too long plus the blanket around her must have shifted to expose the pad to her skin. Hugs, CatNipped > Yes, it was the heating pad that did it. They checked their pads > (fluid-filled??) and couldn't find anything wrong so I think it was probably [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > CatNipped That's just negligence. I can't believe they used a heating pad for a dental - I have never seen a case where it was necessary. And if a cat is vicious, you do things that allow you to handle the cat. It just sounds negligent to me. -L. > That's just negligence. I can't believe they used a heating pad for a > dental - I have never seen a case where it was necessary. And if a cat > is vicious, you do things that allow you to handle the cat. It just > sounds negligent to me. > > -L. Yeah, I made a point of telling my vet that if they needed to handle her and couldn't that I should be called immediately. I have a feeling a vet tech there has gotten a serious dressing down about this whole thing. I'm sure it won't happen again. Hugs, CatNipped > Please continue sending purrs for her surgery and recovery./// You've got them. :o( Many purrs and prayers for bothe Bandit and you. Helen M >Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the >wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating myself [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >CatNipped <<<<<<<<Lori>>>>>>>>>> Purrs for your nerves, and unremitting purrs for Bandit. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com 4 purrs, plus extra from Kumani, who knows how it is to spend time at the vet's on IV instead of home where she belongs. --Fil > Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the > wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating myself [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Thanks! Sending purrs your way. Huge surgery purrs coming and whatever else I can send. > Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the > wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating myself [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > CatNipped > Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the > wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating myself [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Thanks! Lori, I truly believe that Bandit will be okay, and furthermore, I think you're a great cat owner. Mistakes happen. Many purrs for Bandit to feel better soon. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Please continue sending purrs for her surgery and recovery. I just read the whole thread, poor Bandit and poor you! Don't beat yourself up for this, you could not have predicted it. At least now she's in good hands and is being treated. Lots of purrs for a successful surgery and prompt recovery. *hugs* Victor Please know we are thinking of you and Bandit and sending our purrs and purrayers for her and for you. Christine and Omar, Oreo, Midnight, Robin & Tucker > Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the > wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating myself [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > CatNipped >Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the >wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating myself [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >CatNipped Hugs and purrs from us to you. And Silvadine is an excellent medicine. She will heal. But she will probably need a body bandage to keep her from licking at it. Or maybe an Ecollar. -- CATherine > >Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the > >wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating myself [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > She will heal. But she will probably need a body bandage to keep her > from licking at it. Or maybe an Ecollar. Yeah, they gave her an e-collar at the emergency vet last night (it's kind of soft - not hard plastic). She's at her regular vet now until tomorrow, they're going to do surgery tomorrow morning. I'm missing her so terribly right now, and I'm so worried. I just can't get the picture of her out of my mind, alone, afraid, in horrible pain, closed up in a cage at "the bad place". Argh. I can't shut my mind off!!! :< Hugs, CatNipped > -- > CATherine OK, I'm feeling a *little* bit better at having had to leave Bandit at the vet. I just talked to them and they said Bandit is resting comfortably, she ate a good amount of food, and she's getting her pain meds. She's actually probably better off not having to walk to the litter box and not having three younger cats bothering her and eating her food (it's a "just cats" vet, so there isn't any d*g smells or barking to upset her). She's also getting antibiotics intravenously - which is better than me trying to shove them down her throat and her spitting them back up and foaming at the mouth from the taste. I just can't wait until this is all over and my baby is back home again and healed and not in pain any more. Hugs, CatNipped I totally understand. (As does everyoone I am sure. ) > OK, I'm feeling a *little* bit better at having had to leave Bandit at the > vet. I just talked to them and they said Bandit is resting comfortably, she [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > CatNipped > OK, I'm feeling a *little* bit better at having had to leave Bandit at the > vet. I just talked to them and they said Bandit is resting comfortably, she [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > them down her throat and her spitting them back up and foaming at the mouth > from the taste. It sounds like they're taking great care of her, and you're probably right that in some ways she's better off away from the stress of home life. > I just can't wait until this is all over and my baby is back home again and > healed and not in pain any more. Let's hope that's soon! Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca Many purrs for both of you from Elisabet and Hugo Katt CatNipped skrev i meddelandet ... >OK, I'm feeling a *little* bit better at having had to leave Bandit at the >vet. I just talked to them and they said Bandit is resting comfortably, she [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >CatNipped > OK, I'm feeling a *little* bit better at having had to leave > Bandit at the vet. I just talked to them and they said Bandit [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I just can't wait until this is all over and my baby is back > home again and healed and not in pain any more. I'm very glad the vet is taking care of everything, as they should. She'll be fine in no time because under a vets care they can do things that you could never do at home, for example the IV antibiotics. And being able to monitor her pain meds rather than give you what they think she needs to take home. Purrs continuing. SignatureCheryl >OK, I'm feeling a *little* bit better at having had to leave Bandit at the >vet. I just talked to them and they said Bandit is resting comfortably, she [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >CatNipped This sounds great. And when she is well, you can be the "rescuer" who takes her home. And it really is better for her to have IV that stress both of you getting only half her meds down her. Purrs for you both. -- CATherine Wow, so much happens on this NG while I'm sleeping! I get up in the morning and all this has happened! What a terrible experience for you, Lori. I'm glad to hear that Bandit is doing well and the vet took responsibility. Don't beat yourself up over it, you did the best you could. Hugs and purrs, -- Britta "There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > OK, I'm feeling a *little* bit better at having had to leave Bandit > at the vet. I just talked to them and they said Bandit is resting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > smells or barking to upset her). She's also getting antibiotics > intravenously - which is better than me trying to shove them down her > throat and her spitting them back up and foaming at the mouth from > the taste. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > CatNipped >> Hugs and purrs from us to you. And Silvadine is an excellent medicine. >> She will heal. But she will probably need a body bandage to keep her [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >in horrible pain, closed up in a cage at "the bad place". Argh. I can't >shut my mind off!!! :< Last time I left Amber at the vet's, I left an article of my clothing for him to lie on. It made both of us feel better. And my vet allowed me to spend time with him in the cage. It was a large cage that I could sit in with him. Purrs that you are together soon. -- CATherine Oh Lori!!!!! I've been reading this thread all day from work and wishing I could post but my co has blocked all employees from posting to ngs. So all I could do was worry.... Mega hugs and purrayers are heading south as we speak... As for beating yourself up, don't! You took prompt, approriate action when you discovered the problem and your girl will be fine. (How could she not be, with this ng purring for her?) Kudos to the vet for stepping up and taking responsibility. Perhaps this will cause them to rethink the heating pad usage, however. Those things can be dangerous, even to humans. I fell asleep on one once...not good.... Keep us posted!!! I'll be watching from work tomorrow!! If you feel the need, send me an e-mail and I'll give you my phone numbers... --Kim and crew >Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the >wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating myself [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >CatNipped I just logged in and saw this whole thread. Lots of good healing purrs to Bandit for her surgery and recovery. I'm glad that your vet is taking care of the extra charges too. Susan M Otis and Chester > Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the > wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > CatNipped Purring here for a complete - and quick - recovery >Bandit will need surgery to remove all the necrotic (dead) tissue from the >wound - she really was getting gangrenous (I will never quit beating myself [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >CatNipped SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy and Little Bit stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html |
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