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Pet Not So Smart
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Stormin Mormon - 07 Mar 2005 03:06 GMT One of the worst cases of mishandled customer I've had the displeasure to have in a long time.
A friend of mine asked me to visit a store, to interview with a cat that needs a home. Many of you know the details, and so I won't repeat them here. It was a Petsmart, or maybe not so smart.
I got there, and met the kitty, who wasn't in that great a mood. I talked with the placement person. In maybe four or five minutes, she decided they would not be able to place a cat with me. And she told me the reason.
I left the store, and contacted the friends of mine who referred me. They told me that the store called her up, and told her the details. I won't go into it very much here, but the store folks asked if their cat was OK (implying that I am a person who hurts cats, and that somehow I went to their house and hurt thier cat).
I'm offended on several levels.
1) No effort to discuss with me why they were concerned, and what they think I oughta do better. Just toss me aside like some kind of defective reject, that can't do any better. 2) When the store person told me why, she did not tell me the real concern. Read: lied to me. 3) Immediately, and probably before I was out the door, the store person is gossiping about me "hey, let me tell you what just happened, and why we can't send Chris home with a cat" and implying things about me "Oh, how about AAA and BBB, are they ok?".
I'm going to write to the Pet Not So Smart store, and also try to find the adress for the main HQ. I am very displeased with them.
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Mary - 07 Mar 2005 03:09 GMT > One of the worst cases of mishandled customer I've had the displeasure to > have in a long time. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I'm going to write to the Pet Not So Smart store, and also try to find the > adress for the main HQ. I am very displeased with them. What a bunch of jerks. Sorry you had to go through that.
Stormin Mormon - 07 Mar 2005 04:14 GMT Me, too. How sad. I coulda been a great catslave, if they woulda took the time to teach.
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> One of the worst cases of mishandled customer I've had the displeasure to > have in a long time. > > I'm going to write to the Pet Not So Smart store, and also try to find the > adress for the main HQ. I am very displeased with them. What a bunch of jerks. Sorry you had to go through that.
KellyH - 07 Mar 2005 03:15 GMT > One of the worst cases of mishandled customer I've had the displeasure to > have in a long time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > here. > It was a Petsmart, or maybe not so smart. I thought that the people who do adoptions at Petsmarts from outside rescue groups, not Petsmart itself. As an adoption counselor at a rescue, I can tell you that we *always* tell people the reason they are not selected to take a cat home. There is always a good reason: vet check is bad, no landlord letter, bad previous history with pets, etc.
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Stormin Mormon - 07 Mar 2005 04:14 GMT I am told that they are an outside agency. But, that's not important to me. My bad service happened in a Pet Not So Smart store, and so the store gets the letter. They can deal with the outside agency, if it is such.
They told me one t hing, and told my friends something different. I consider that improper.
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> One of the worst cases of mishandled customer I've had the displeasure to > have in a long time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > here. > It was a Petsmart, or maybe not so smart. I thought that the people who do adoptions at Petsmarts from outside rescue groups, not Petsmart itself. As an adoption counselor at a rescue, I can tell you that we *always* tell people the reason they are not selected to take a cat home. There is always a good reason: vet check is bad, no landlord letter, bad previous history with pets, etc.
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Karen - 07 Mar 2005 03:29 GMT > One of the worst cases of mishandled customer I've had the displeasure to > have in a long time. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I'm going to write to the Pet Not So Smart store, and also try to find the > adress for the main HQ. I am very displeased with them. Well, why did they think that? (P.S. As Far as I am aware there it is always an outside rescue that just gets room at Petsmart.)
Stormin Mormon - 07 Mar 2005 04:14 GMT How should I know? The person there told me one thing, and my friends something different. About the placement, so I would have no way to know what the person was thinking. And even if she told me, it would probably not be the truth.
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> 3) Immediately, and probably before I was out the door, the store person is > gossiping about me "hey, let me tell you what just happened, and why we [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm going to write to the Pet Not So Smart store, and also try to find the > adress for the main HQ. I am very displeased with them. Well, why did they think that? (P.S. As Far as I am aware there it is always an outside rescue that just gets room at Petsmart.)
Rrb - 07 Mar 2005 03:45 GMT > One of the worst cases of mishandled customer I've had the displeasure to > have in a long time. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I'm going to write to the Pet Not So Smart store, and also try to find the > adress for the main HQ. I am very displeased with them. I am sorry you had such a problem. The adoption people in the petsmart stores are usually an outside rescue agency. I would attempt to find out who they are both so you can include their name in your letter, and possibly write a letter to the rescue agency as well.
Stormin Mormon - 07 Mar 2005 04:14 GMT I may well do that.
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> I'm going to write to the Pet Not So Smart store, and also try to find the > adress for the main HQ. I am very displeased with them. I am sorry you had such a problem. The adoption people in the petsmart stores are usually an outside rescue agency. I would attempt to find out who they are both so you can include their name in your letter, and possibly write a letter to the rescue agency as well.
KellyH - 07 Mar 2005 15:08 GMT > I am sorry you had such a problem. The adoption people in the petsmart > stores are usually an outside rescue agency. I would attempt to find out > who they are both so you can include their name in your letter, and > possibly write a letter to the rescue agency as well. Exactly. You're barking up the wrong tree if you complain to Petsmart.
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jmcquown - 07 Mar 2005 17:15 GMT > One of the worst cases of mishandled customer I've had the > displeasure to have in a long time. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > decided they would not be able to place a cat with me. And she told > me the reason. What reason did she give you? I don't see a mention of it here.
> I left the store, and contacted the friends of mine who referred me. > They told me that the store called her up, and told her the details. > I won't go into it very much here, but the store folks asked if their > cat was OK (implying that I am a person who hurts cats, and that > somehow I went to their house and hurt thier cat). That's just wrong. It's one thing to check on a referral if they are considering the adoption. Totally wrong if they had already concluded they weren't going to consider you a candidate for adopting a cat.
> I'm offended on several levels. I don't blame you. Have you tried a local shelter rather than the rescue venues at a retail store?
> I'm going to write to the Pet Not So Smart store As other have suggested, ask for the name of the rescue/rehome group. PetSmart isn't responsible for the actions of an employee of an outside agency.
Jill
KellyH - 07 Mar 2005 17:21 GMT > That's just wrong. It's one thing to check on a referral if they are > considering the adoption. Totally wrong if they had already concluded > they > weren't going to consider you a candidate for adopting a cat. Sometimes I know I'm not going to adopt to someone before it even gets to the referral point. Example: Potential adopter says "My previous cat was eaten by a coyote." Me "Do you plan on letting this cat outside?" Adopter "Sure, why not." They are NOT getting a cat from our rescue! However, I do tell them exactly why and I will give them some education on indoor-only (not stirring that debate, but in certain areas, I believe it is a must).
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jmcquown - 07 Mar 2005 17:33 GMT >> That's just wrong. It's one thing to check on a referral if they are >> considering the adoption. Totally wrong if they had already [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > them some education on indoor-only (not stirring that debate, but in > certain areas, I believe it is a must). Oh, I know and I totally agree with you. However, the person should not (IMHO) have called the people who referred him unless they were considering the adoption. He made it sound like they called up to basically ask, "Why the heck did you send this person here, and are your cats okay?" That's just wrong.
Jill
Stormin Mormon - 07 Mar 2005 20:37 GMT Right.... plus telling them about our conversation.
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Oh, I know and I totally agree with you. However, the person should not (IMHO) have called the people who referred him unless they were considering the adoption. He made it sound like they called up to basically ask, "Why the heck did you send this person here, and are your cats okay?" That's just wrong.
Jill
KellyH - 07 Mar 2005 20:51 GMT > Right.... plus telling them about our conversation. Ahh.. OK I got. I must have missed that part. I thought you meant the adoption people were talking amongst themselves. No, I wouldn't tell an outside person the reasons for turning someone down. Sometimes we (the rescue workers) do discuss a potential adopter to make sure we are making the right decision, but not in a gossipy way.
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Stormin Mormon - 07 Mar 2005 20:37 GMT At least you're sharing information. Not just making a five minute decision and then send someone packing. I bet you're also not a gossip.
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"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote
> That's just wrong. It's one thing to check on a referral if they are > considering the adoption. Totally wrong if they had already concluded > they > weren't going to consider you a candidate for adopting a cat. Sometimes I know I'm not going to adopt to someone before it even gets to the referral point. Example: Potential adopter says "My previous cat was eaten by a coyote." Me "Do you plan on letting this cat outside?" Adopter "Sure, why not." They are NOT getting a cat from our rescue! However, I do tell them exactly why and I will give them some education on indoor-only (not stirring that debate, but in certain areas, I believe it is a must).
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Stormin Mormon - 07 Mar 2005 20:37 GMT Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I got there, and met the kitty, who wasn't in that great a mood. I > talked with the placement person. In maybe four or five minutes, she > decided they would not be able to place a cat with me. And she told > me the reason. What reason did she give you? I don't see a mention of it here. CY: She said I'm too insistent that the cat stay off counters and tables, they cannot guarantee this.
> I left the store, and contacted the friends of mine who referred me. > They told me that the store called her up, and told her the details. > I won't go into it very much here, but the store folks asked if their > cat was OK (implying that I am a person who hurts cats, and that > somehow I went to their house and hurt thier cat). That's just wrong. It's one thing to check on a referral if they are considering the adoption. Totally wrong if they had already concluded they weren't going to consider you a candidate for adopting a cat. CY: Not as though they wer e checking -- they were telling my friends all about it.
> I'm offended on several levels. I don't blame you. Have you tried a local shelter rather than the rescue venues at a retail store? CY: I've had one cat, to date. And that was the one who insisted on being on the counters. I've decided not to pursue "get a cat" at the moment. I was responding to a request "you've got to meet this cat".
> I'm going to write to the Pet Not So Smart store As other have suggested, ask for the name of the rescue/rehome group. PetSmart isn't responsible for the actions of an employee of an outside agency. CY: I'm thinking to write two letters.
Jill
jmcquown - 07 Mar 2005 20:42 GMT > Stormin Mormon wrote: >> I got there, and met the kitty, who wasn't in that great a mood. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > CY: She said I'm too insistent that the cat stay off counters and > tables, they cannot guarantee this. That's just stupid. No matter what people say, cats *can* be trained. It's what a squirt bottle is for. Persia doesn't get on counters or tables. I'm not the neatest person in the world but I don't want a cat wandering around my kitchen counters or dinner table.
> That's just wrong. It's one thing to check on a referral if they are > considering the adoption. Totally wrong if they had already [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Jill Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Mar 2005 20:56 GMT > That's just stupid. No matter what people say, cats *can* be trained. It's > what a squirt bottle is for. Persia doesn't get on counters or tables. I'm > not the neatest person in the world but I don't want a cat wandering around > my kitchen counters or dinner table. I used to think that. Now I'm thinking that Oscar just wasn't interested in counters. She's suddenly developed a (sporadic) interest in them, and so far my efforts haven't been entirely successful. I tried double sided tape with no success; if it continues to be a problem, I guess I'll spring for a tattle tale alarm.
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Cheryl - 08 Mar 2005 02:04 GMT > I used to think that. Now I'm thinking that Oscar just wasn't > interested in counters. She's suddenly developed a (sporadic) > interest in them, and so far my efforts haven't been entirely > successful. I tried double sided tape with no success; if it > continues to be a problem, I guess I'll spring for a tattle tale > alarm. I can send you two. Worthless.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Mar 2005 02:15 GMT >> I used to think that. Now I'm thinking that Oscar just wasn't interested >> in counters. She's suddenly developed a (sporadic) interest in them, and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I can send you two. Worthless. Are you in the US? I'd spring for shipping to see if they work. That must be cheaper than the $20+ price I've seen on them, and I've only found them online.
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Stormin Mormon - 08 Mar 2005 02:27 GMT Long as they didn't come from pet Not So Smart.
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>> for a tattle tale alarm. > > I can send you two. Worthless. Are you in the US? I'd spring for shipping to see if they work. That must be cheaper than the $20+ price I've seen on them, and I've only found them online.
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Cheryl - 08 Mar 2005 02:32 GMT >> I can send you two. Worthless. > > Are you in the US? I'd spring for shipping to see if they work. > That must be cheaper than the $20+ price I've seen on them, and > I've only found them online. Yes, in Maryland. I liked the idea of being "notified" if they were on the counter, but not afraid enough to jump down, but the sound of it sends Shamrock into a tizzy fit. They really are very sensitve to vibration, but a light-footed cat (Shamrock, the quiet) won't set it off even when it's on the "high" setting. But, set a glass down, even very lightly, and it will set it off. Must be their little soft pads. :) Scarlett and Rhett, though smaller than Shamrock, will set it off.
Send me an email and we can work it out. I'll send them, no use in them just sitting here!
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Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Mar 2005 19:57 GMT >>> I can send you two. Worthless. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Send me an email and we can work it out. I'll send them, no use in them just > sitting here! I've emailed you, removing the "nospam" part of your address. I think hotmail likes to put emails from my domain in the spam bucket, so you may have to whitelist me =/
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CK - 07 Mar 2005 18:19 GMT > I'm going to write to the Pet Not So Smart store, and also try to find the > adress for the main HQ. I am very displeased with them. Would this be their HQ? http://www.petsmart.com/about_us/index.shtml
There's info on the adoptions via PetSmart too: http://www.petsmart.com/adoptions/index.shtml
Like ppl here have said, there are outside organizations doing the adoption thing. Maybe you could find out what organization handles the adoptions in that particular store and then contact them directly.
Being in customer service myself, I'm always sorry to hear about badly handled customer encounters.
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Cheryl - 08 Mar 2005 02:00 GMT > One of the worst cases of mishandled customer I've had the > displeasure to have in a long time. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > to find the adress for the main HQ. I am very displeased with > them. I must have missed the reasons, but I hope it all works out.
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Gabey8 - 08 Mar 2005 03:21 GMT [[I'm offended on several levels.
1) No effort to discuss with me why they were concerned, and what they think I oughta do better. Just toss me aside like some kind of defective reject, that can't do any better. 2) When the store person told me why, she did not tell me the real concern. Read: lied to me. 3) Immediately, and probably before I was out the door, the store person is gossiping about me "hey, let me tell you what just happened, and why we can't send Chris home with a cat" and implying things about me "Oh, how about AAA and BBB, are they ok?". ]]
I have a major problem with them not specifically telling you what factored into their decision not to adopt out a cat to you at this time.
IMO, that should be the FIRST thing that happens if they don't approve an application. They should list the reasons why, preferably in writing, particularly if it's something that the person might be able to correct.
Also, I have a major, major issue with them calling ANY third party and telling them information about what happened with someone else's application. I can see them calling a third party as a reference, particularly if the third party is a veterinarian whom the applicant has dealt with in the past.
Even then, I just went through an adoption process in January. I had to call my vet to authorize them to release information to the animal refuge before the animal refuge could even GET info from them. So IMO, if I had to give my vet permission to share information, why should the people at the PetSmart be able to call a third party and share information about an applicant?
The whole situation makes no sense, and I'd definitely suggest contacting whatever agency is handling pet adoptions out of PetSmart. Then you can find out for sure what their policies are, regarding adoption application requirements and about what information is permissable to be shared with third parties. (IE, the person calling your friend and talking to them... if that violated protocol, then the agency should be made aware of it.)
Donna
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