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Yoj - 06 Mar 2005 20:15 GMT
Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are there
really bears in Aussie?  Other than koalas, which aren't bears, and  drop
bears, of course.   ;-)

Joy
Yowie - 06 Mar 2005 20:50 GMT
> Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are there
> really bears in Aussie?  Other than koalas, which aren't bears, and  drop
> bears, of course.   ;-)

There are bears. In zoos.

Any other bear story is going to be akin to Yeti and Abominable Snowman
stories. Fuzzy pictures, glimpses out the corner of a person's eye, no other
witnesses etc etc.

Australia doesnt' have native or even imported bears or even anything akin
to wild bears. The worst we have are feral razorback pigs, and you won't
encounter those unless you are in deep forest miles from anywhere.

HTH,

Yowie
Yoj - 07 Mar 2005 02:26 GMT
> > Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are
> there
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>
> Yowie

Thanks, Yowie.  That's what I thought.  Actually, I didn't know about the
razorbacks, but with all the dangerous snakes, bugs and sea creatures you
have, who worries about a few pigs?  <G>

Joy
John F. Eldredge - 07 Mar 2005 02:54 GMT
>> > Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are
>> there
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>razorbacks, but with all the dangerous snakes, bugs and sea creatures you
>have, who worries about a few pigs?  <G>

Judging from results here in the USA, the razorback pigs might help
control the size of the snake population.  Farmers here in the USA
used to use semi-feral pigs to eliminate rattlesnake colonies.  The
pigs' thick skin and layer of fat gives them some protection against
the snake venom, and the razorback varieties, which are pretty close
to their wild-boar ancestors, are agile enough to dodge many of the
snake strikes.

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Yoj - 07 Mar 2005 05:11 GMT
> >> > Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are
> >> there
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> to their wild-boar ancestors, are agile enough to dodge many of the
> snake strikes.

I've read a lot about all the dangerous critters there are in Australia, but
I've never seen any of them when I was there.  I suspect it's because the
Aussies like their country the way it is and don't want a lot of tourists
coming in and messing it up.  Publicity like that should discourate a lot of
faint-hearted tourists.  The ones who can't be scared off are more the
Aussies' type of people.  ;-)

Joy
Kreisleriana - 07 Mar 2005 15:35 GMT
>> >> > Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.
>Are
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>
>Joy

Flashback to a "Far Side" Cartoon:
Mob of kangaroos, leaping across the outback.  One, very irritated,
says to another, "Just JUMP, you fool!  You don't have to say 'boing
boing boing!'"

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Yowie - 07 Mar 2005 05:22 GMT
> >> > Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are
> >> there
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> to their wild-boar ancestors, are agile enough to dodge many of the
> snake strikes.

The problem with wild pigs in Australia, indeed pretty much any feral animal
here, is that the natural ecology wasn't set up to handle mammals.
Razorbacks do horrible things to our very thin and delicate layer of viable
topsoil, eat the young plants and roots of plants that have never been used
to such things and therefore grow slowly and don't produce lots of seeds,
and out-compete the native critters in that area. I doubt they'd keep the
snakes down much, because other prey would be much easier to get, and you
hear of stories of the wild pigs goring various herds of domesticated
animals (not to menion attacking humans).

So far, the only introduced animal gone feral in Australia, that as far as I
know, isn't causing *major* problems is the camel, but I'm probably wrong
about that too.

<checks Google>

Yup, I was wrong about that.

Yowie
wafflycat - 07 Mar 2005 07:53 GMT
> So far, the only introduced animal gone feral in Australia, that as far as
> I
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>
> Yowie

As I understand it, The Land Down Under now has the world's largest
population of wild camels.

Cheers, helen s
Yoj - 07 Mar 2005 08:44 GMT
> > So far, the only introduced animal gone feral in Australia, that as far as
> > I
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>
> Cheers, helen s

I wouldn't be surprised.  I believe I was told there are something like
60,000 of them, making there more camels in the Nothern Territory (or was it
the Red Centre?) than kangaroos.

Joy
Helen Wheels - 07 Mar 2005 15:29 GMT
>>Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> stories. Fuzzy pictures, glimpses out the corner of a person's eye, no other
> witnesses etc etc.

There's always Humphrey B. I've seen him quite clearly myself.
Kreisleriana - 07 Mar 2005 15:05 GMT
>Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are there
>really bears in Aussie?  Other than koalas, which aren't bears, and  drop
>bears, of course.   ;-)
>
>Joy

drop bears, hee hee

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Yowie - 07 Mar 2005 22:47 GMT
> >Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are there
> >really bears in Aussie?  Other than koalas, which aren't bears, and  drop
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>
> drop bears, hee hee

A distant cousin of the hoop snake, although I'm not sure vegemite behind
hte ears would ward off a hoop snake :-)
Yowie - 07 Mar 2005 23:21 GMT
> >Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are there
> >really bears in Aussie?  Other than koalas, which aren't bears, and  drop
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> drop bears, hee hee

I take after my Dad alot. We share the same sense of humour. So I just have
to share this story.

My Dad is an enterprising man. Not greedy, but if he can find a way to save
a penny, he will.

He also is a passionate bushwalker, and loves going into the various types
of wild country that is Australia.

Of course, Australia is abig place, and getting to most of those wilderness
type places costs a fair chunk of money to fly there (its just silly to
drive), and the accomodation costs etc etc etc.

So what Dad used to do was, with his brother from Canada, organise
photographic tours of various places for Canadians and Americans (and anyone
else foolish to sign up). He calculates the price of the tour so that the 20
tourists he signs up end up paying for the cost of his brother and himself,
so that Dad & Uncle barry get the trip for free in exchange for 'teaching'
the tourists Bush lore, lots of tutorials in photography, and leading them
on the various treks.

Dad is a character, and providing you haven't heard his stories a bazillion
times before, is a really funny likable sort of bloke. But he's also
discovered that tourists, and I'm sorry to say, particularly tourists
fromthe North American continent, are particular - um - gullible when it
comes to anything related to the Australian bush.

One of our native birds is the Cassowary, a native to the northern tropical
parts of Australia. Its sort of like a small emu with an exceptionally bad
hangover (http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/southern_cassowary.htm).
They are actually quite dangerous if you scare them, and the locals know to
give them a great deal of respect and distance. They are very much a part of
hte local ecology though, and many of the native plant species need to have
their seeds pass through a casswary's digestive system before they can
sprout.

So, the night before, sitting in their cabin, Dad tells the tourists about
the Cassowary, and how its droppings are actually very valuable and
absolutely should not be disturbed by anyone at any time, because thats
often the only way that new rainforest plants can ever grow.

The next day, deep into the undergrowth, the party stumbles across a small
pile of cassowary droppings. Dad calls everyone around, telling them to be
very quiet, because they are fresh and the bird that left them may still be
around. Dad bends down, and looks closely at the pile of small, brown
pellets. "Hmmm," he says, "a juvenile, I think. Its very rare that a
juvenile comes down this far."

The tourists are entranced.

Dad picks up one of the brown pellets. He looks at it very closely, and
sniffs it. "A male, by the look of it". He passes the pellet to his brother.
Uncle Barry, after looking and smelling, says "I would have said it was a
brooding female actually". Dad picks up another pellet. "There's only one
way to be sure", and pops it in his mouth, chews, and swallows.

"Oh, you are right, it was a brooding female. Just check for me, will you
Bazza?"

Bazza (Uncle Barry), also eats his pellet. "Yup, thought so. She's probably
looking for a mate"

By this time, the tourists are both very impressed at the tour leader's bush
knowledge, and are also quite weirded out that Australias east bird poop.

The tour continues, with stories stolen from Banjo Patterson, Henry Lawson,
Slim Dusty and other Australian folklorists, as well as some mostly genuine
stories that Dad and his brother have actually experienced (although they'd
never let the truth get inthe way of a tall tale).

On the last day, each tourist is presented with a small plastic bag of
Cassowary droppings, 'harvested' by Dad un Uncle Barry, so that the tourists
might be able to grow some rainforests plants "back home". The droppings had
to be kept cool, and dry, of course, so Dad and Uncle Barry encouraged them
to carry the small package in their hand luggage.

I wonder how many people ate their chocolate coated peanuts, and how many
planted them?

Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Mar 2005 01:05 GMT
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> I wonder how many people ate their chocolate coated peanuts, and how many
> planted them?

LOL!

That's a great story, Yowie.  Your dad sounds like he's a lot of fun.

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Yoj - 08 Mar 2005 05:18 GMT
> > >Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are
> there
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>
> Yowie

LOL!  I think I'd like your Dad and Uncle Barry.

Joy
Kreisleriana - 08 Mar 2005 14:46 GMT
>> >Recently I've heard a couple of references to bears in Australia.  Are
>there
[quoted text clipped - 85 lines]
>
>Yowie

LOL <sigh>

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Marina - 11 Mar 2005 04:10 GMT
> I wonder how many people ate their chocolate coated peanuts, and how many
> planted them?

ROFL!

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