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Kreisleriana - 04 Mar 2005 23:46 GMT
Ms. Stewart is still at her home, in electronic custody.  She petted
her dogs a few hours ago.  It's been reported that she had a
cappucino.  :P

Theresa
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Jo Firey - 05 Mar 2005 00:10 GMT
> Ms. Stewart is still at her home, in electronic custody.  She petted
> her dogs a few hours ago.  It's been reported that she had a
> cappucino.  :P

Now as I understand it, she can't go outside except to go to work.  Does
that mean she can't take the dogs out?  Inquiring minds and all that.  100
Plus acres and not allowed out sounds kind of silly.

Jo
Kreisleriana - 05 Mar 2005 00:24 GMT
>> Ms. Stewart is still at her home, in electronic custody.  She petted
>> her dogs a few hours ago.  It's been reported that she had a
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>
>Jo

Wait, this just in.  Ms. Stewart has just come out of the bathroom.
We'll keep you updated as events develop. :)

Theresa
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Shiral - 05 Mar 2005 00:38 GMT
Oh, I'm sure she can hire a dog walker. =o)  And her version of "house
arrest" is a lot more comfortable than some people's liberty. She's
served her time in the clink, and I don't have personal animosity
toward her, but I'm not overly sympathetic, either.  Martha Stewart is
Martha Stewart so that real women with real jobs, families etc etc,
don't have to be.

Melissa
Enfilade - 06 Mar 2005 02:58 GMT
> Oh, I'm sure she can hire a dog walker. =o)  And her version of "house
> arrest" is a lot more comfortable than some people's liberty.

You know what? Frankly, if I wasn't allowed to leave my own house, I'd
be pretty damn HAPPY about it.  Doing all my work via internet,
sitting around in a yukata sipping rooibos tea with a cat in my lap
all day?  Sounds like my version of heaven.

--Fil
Cheryl Perkins - 06 Mar 2005 12:38 GMT
> You know what? Frankly, if I wasn't allowed to leave my own house, I'd
> be pretty damn HAPPY about it.  Doing all my work via internet,
> sitting around in a yukata sipping rooibos tea with a cat in my lap
> all day?  Sounds like my version of heaven.

There was a study here on the effects of house arrest on the system. One
thing they discovered was that women, particularly women with young
children, were getting *more* custodial sentences. In the past, such women
were often given fines or suspended sentences for minor offences, because
the judges didn't want their children's lives disrupted. Now, they get
house arrest.

I'm not sure myself if this is a good or a bad thing. There was at least
one very well publicized case in which someone who clearly should have had
more supervision committed suicide while pregnant,  under house arrest in
a very poor home, and with too little money even to buy food.

Me, I'd get cabin fever. Just tell me I can't get out (because of a storm
or something, not (so far) an electronic bracelet), and nothing with
satisfy me until I can get out.

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Christina Websell - 06 Mar 2005 23:41 GMT
>> You know what? Frankly, if I wasn't allowed to leave my own house, I'd
>> be pretty damn HAPPY about it.  Doing all my work via internet,
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> or something, not (so far) an electronic bracelet), and nothing with
> satisfy me until I can get out.

A lot of the time I am very happy to be here in my house and garden when I'm
not at work.  I choose to because I love it here.
However tell me I am not allowed to go out and I would need to go out
immediately.  I don't have a problem staying in if there's a storm.  I would
definitely have one if someone just said I wasn't alllowed out.

Tweed
Shiral - 07 Mar 2005 17:44 GMT
Definitely. That's Human Nature, for  ya.  Not being under house
arrest,  I could happily sit inside with the cats all day.  Once under
house arrest and somebody saying "You can't go outside" I'd be
immediately filled with Wanderlust, and an urge to breathe free air.

Melissa
Mary - 07 Mar 2005 17:57 GMT
> Definitely. That's Human Nature, for  ya.  Not being under house
> arrest,  I could happily sit inside with the cats all day.  Once under
> house arrest and somebody saying "You can't go outside" I'd be
> immediately filled with Wanderlust, and an urge to breathe free air.
>
> Melissa

Oh yeah. I'd be tunnelling out of that billion-dollar estate
in no time!
mlbriggs - 05 Mar 2005 00:40 GMT
>> Ms. Stewart is still at her home, in electronic custody.  She petted
>> her dogs a few hours ago.  It's been reported that she had a
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>
> Jo

Time spent out with her animals is deducted from the 48 working hours.

What about all the men, past and present, who have done the same thing?
How,or are they punished the same way?   MLB
Karen - 05 Mar 2005 01:52 GMT
>>> Ms. Stewart is still at her home, in electronic custody.  She petted
>>> her dogs a few hours ago.  It's been reported that she had a
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> What about all the men, past and present, who have done the same thing?
> How,or are they punished the same way?   MLB

Yeah, that's the thing that got me about the whole episode. How quickly they
managed to railroad her case through, she whose transgressions were wrong
but didn't destroy livelihoods, and all those men from Enron are still at
large for the most part.
Jo Firey - 05 Mar 2005 02:19 GMT
>>>> Ms. Stewart is still at her home, in electronic custody.  She petted
>>>> her dogs a few hours ago.  It's been reported that she had a
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> but didn't destroy livelihoods, and all those men from Enron are still at
> large for the most part.

I'm not so sure the people who bought the stock she sold feel the same way.
And there really do have to be penalties for lying to federal prosecutors,
which is what she was convicted of.

Jo
Kreisleriana - 05 Mar 2005 20:31 GMT
>>>>> Ms. Stewart is still at her home, in electronic custody.  She petted
>>>>> her dogs a few hours ago.  It's been reported that she had a
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>And there really do have to be penalties for lying to federal prosecutors,
>which is what she was convicted of.

Yup, that tends to make them a bit testy.

T (whose grandpa worked for the SEC ;))

Theresa
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Karen - 05 Mar 2005 01:27 GMT
> Ms. Stewart is still at her home, in electronic custody.  She petted
> her dogs a few hours ago.  It's been reported that she had a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

ROFL!! It's insane isn't it? Good lord, I saw a zoom shot of her walking
through her kitchen for Pete's sake.
Yoj - 05 Mar 2005 02:30 GMT
I suppose somebody must care.  ;-)

Joy

> Ms. Stewart is still at her home, in electronic custody.  She petted
> her dogs a few hours ago.  It's been reported that she had a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Seanette Blaylock - 05 Mar 2005 04:45 GMT
"Yoj" <joygaylord@sbcglobal.net> had some very interesting things to
say about Re: OT Martha Stewart Report:

>I suppose somebody must care.  ;-)

That wouldn't be me. I can't stand the b*tch.

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Jo Firey - 05 Mar 2005 04:58 GMT
> "Yoj" <joygaylord@sbcglobal.net> had some very interesting things to
> say about Re: OT Martha Stewart Report:
>
>>I suppose somebody must care.  ;-)
>
> That wouldn't be me. I can't stand the b*tch.

A common reaction.  Though she does have her fans I guess.  I've tried to
watch her show a time or two and after about fifteen minutes I start to
twitch.

Jo
Yoj - 05 Mar 2005 06:19 GMT
> > "Yoj" <joygaylord@sbcglobal.net> had some very interesting things to
> > say about Re: OT Martha Stewart Report:
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>
> Jo

I'm glad to know I'm not alone.  ;-)

Joy
Victor Martinez - 05 Mar 2005 22:16 GMT
> A common reaction.  Though she does have her fans I guess.  I've tried to
> watch her show a time or two and after about fifteen minutes I start to
> twitch.

I never particularly liked her, too *perfect*. However, after this whole
ordeal, I realized she is an admirable woman. I wish her well.

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Mary - 06 Mar 2005 19:15 GMT
> > "Yoj" <joygaylord@sbcglobal.net> had some very interesting things to
> > say about Re: OT Martha Stewart Report:
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> watch her show a time or two and after about fifteen minutes I start to
> twitch.

Both the persona she is selling and the fru fru stuff she does just
makes me laugh. However I have to admire her as a business
woman. And I find it interesting that people regularly call this
driven, ambitious, high-powered and successful woman a
"bitch" when one rarely hears men with similar qualities
critcized for being the male equivalent of a "bitch." I think
because it is ingrained that it is okay for men but not for
women.
sriddles@aol.com - 05 Mar 2005 06:31 GMT
How come?
My-o-my. I must say I've never seen such collective cattiness on this
group before, save possibly some past political discussions.
What is it about Martha Stewart that irks everyone so? Say what you
want, but you have to admit she's smart, she's shrewd, and she's the
first person I can recall who turned housekeeping into an art form.
Plus, she actually was convicted in federal court, and spent time in
prison with a fair amount of class. I don't particularly care what
Martha's doing these days either, but I don't hate her.
Besides, she's an animal lover.

Sherry
Seanette Blaylock - 05 Mar 2005 06:47 GMT
sriddles@aol.com had some very interesting things to say about Re: OT
Martha Stewart Report:

>What is it about Martha Stewart that irks everyone so? Say what you
>want, but you have to admit she's smart, she's shrewd, and she's the
>first person I can recall who turned housekeeping into an art form.

She's made her fortune by making women feel like complete failures if
they're not spending every waking moment arranging air molecules
artistically and doing crafts that no one in her right mind would even
imagine, and this is *admirable*? In her haughty universe, everyone
else is a Neanderthal and she's our only hope to achieve even
rudimentary civilization. Blech!

Besides, I can't believe anyone capable of any degree of kindness who
verbally abuses her own mother on national TV. I think the "animal
lover" thing is as much a phony facade as everything else about her
(except the greed and nastiness, that is).

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sriddles@aol.com - 05 Mar 2005 07:47 GMT
Martha Stewart doesn't make women feel like failures. No one can "make"
you feel like a failure unless you allow it.
I agree that her style is out reach for the majority of (especially
working) women, but I can't say I hate her.  I don't even know her,
except through the media. Her cooking style may be a little over the
top, but it sure beats families who eat at the drive through, or
women/men who prepare a "home cooked meal" that starts with a Swanson
Dinner Kit.
I just was curious what exactly it is about Martha that makes you
"hate the bitch." What did she say about her mother?

Sherry
Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Mar 2005 19:21 GMT
> Martha Stewart doesn't make women feel like failures. No one can "make"
> you feel like a failure unless you allow it.
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>
> Sherry

I don't hate Martha Stewart, but I do find the amount of publicity
around her (or any other celebrity) annoying.  I'm pretty sure we'd have
nothing to talk about if we were to meet; she puts so much importance on stuff
that to me seems like pointless clutter and waste.  (She'd probably say the
same about the buzz lightyear action figure a friend of mine gave me, which
still has a prominent place in my office.)

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Kreisleriana - 05 Mar 2005 20:41 GMT
>> Martha Stewart doesn't make women feel like failures. No one can "make"
>> you feel like a failure unless you allow it.
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>I don't hate Martha Stewart, but I do find the amount of publicity
>around her (or any other celebrity) annoying.

There ya go.  I just don't get it.  Perhaps we are just fatigued with
everything so serious that's been happening in the past year, people
must need to focus on things like MS and Michael Jackson.  But perhaps
not.  I don't seem to feel that way.  I feel like that decision has
been made for me.  That's why I made the joke in the first place.

Theresa
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My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Karen - 05 Mar 2005 21:21 GMT
>>> Martha Stewart doesn't make women feel like failures. No one can "make"
>>> you feel like a failure unless you allow it.
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> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

And a very funny joke I thought it was!
Kreisleriana - 05 Mar 2005 21:43 GMT
>>>> Martha Stewart doesn't make women feel like failures. No one can "make"
>>>> you feel like a failure unless you allow it.
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>
>And a very funny joke I thought it was!

Thank you!  My contacts tell me she has sent one of the servants out
for Krispy Kremes. ;)

Theresa
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Mary - 06 Mar 2005 01:39 GMT
"Kreisleriana" <kreisleriana2@yahoo.com> wrote :

> There ya go.  I just don't get it.  Perhaps we are just fatigued with
> everything so serious that's been happening in the past year, people
> must need to focus on things like MS and Michael Jackson.  But perhaps
> not.  I don't seem to feel that way.  I feel like that decision has
> been made for me.  That's why I made the joke in the first place.

I've stopped trying to figure out stuff like this.
Karen - 05 Mar 2005 14:15 GMT
> sriddles@aol.com had some very interesting things to say about Re: OT
> Martha Stewart Report:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> lover" thing is as much a phony facade as everything else about her
> (except the greed and nastiness, that is).

Hmmm. What's this about verbal abuse of mother? Never heard anything about
that.
Seanette Blaylock - 05 Mar 2005 17:46 GMT
Karen <kchuplis@alltel.net> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: OT Martha Stewart Report:

>> Besides, I can't believe anyone capable of any degree of kindness who
>> verbally abuses her own mother on national TV. I think the "animal
>> lover" thing is as much a phony facade as everything else about her
>> (except the greed and nastiness, that is).
>Hmmm. What's this about verbal abuse of mother? Never heard anything about
>that.

I refuse to watch her show myself, but multiple reliable sources of
mine who do watch it report vicious behavior by Her Imperiousness
toward her mother during more than one guest appearance by Mom.

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Karen - 05 Mar 2005 19:12 GMT
> Karen <kchuplis@alltel.net> had some very interesting things to say
> about Re: OT Martha Stewart Report:
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> mine who do watch it report vicious behavior by Her Imperiousness
> toward her mother during more than one guest appearance by Mom.

Wierd. I've seen a couple of shows with her mom on and didn't notice that.
Mary - 06 Mar 2005 00:01 GMT
> Karen <kchuplis@alltel.net> had some very interesting things to say
> about Re: OT Martha Stewart Report:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> mine who do watch it report vicious behavior by Her Imperiousness
> toward her mother during more than one guest appearance by Mom.

Who knows what their relationship has been like all their lives.
L. (usenetlyn) - 05 Mar 2005 06:48 GMT
> How come?
> My-o-my. I must say I've never seen such collective cattiness on this
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Sherry

She on more than one occassion has advocated using animals as
decorative items.  IIRC she also said something about DECLAWING a cat
to protect furniture.

What I don't like about her is her focus on the material.  It's just
*so* unimportant to me, I really can't even say much about it.

Plus I'd like to take a pair of hedge clippers to those freaking bangs
of hers...

-L.
Seanette Blaylock - 05 Mar 2005 06:53 GMT
"L. (usenetlyn)" <usenetlyn@yahoo.com> had some very interesting
things to say about Re: OT Martha Stewart Report:

>What I don't like about her is her focus on the material.  It's just
>*so* unimportant to me, I really can't even say much about it.

I think I know why La Martha *lost* that decorating contest in prison.
She had to use the same materials mere mortals can afford and wasn't
allowed to use $1000/sq.in. fabrics and such, nor was she allowed the
slaves, er, staff to do the actual work lest she soil her sacred
hands. :-)

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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL
sriddles@aol.com - 05 Mar 2005 08:11 GMT
> > How come?
> > My-o-my. I must say I've never seen such collective cattiness on this
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> decorative items.  IIRC she also said something about DECLAWING a cat
> to protect furniture.

I missed the declaw statement. Where was it? Because I do remember in
Living an article about scratching posts and IIRC the tone of the
article was "don't declaw." I remember thinking it was a weird choice
of material for that magazine. It was a long time ago... maybe '01 or
so when it was run. I also remember an herb garden segement where this
Himmie cat was just sitting out there watching everything she did.
She'd stop and mess with him every once in a while. The affection she
had for that cat really seemed genuine. I don't think anybody would put
up with eight cats as a "facade." One maybe! But you've gotta love cats
to have eight of them.

Sherry

Sherry

> What I don't like about her is her focus on the material.  It's just
> *so* unimportant to me, I really can't even say much about it.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> -L.
Seanette Blaylock - 05 Mar 2005 17:45 GMT
sriddles@aol.com had some very interesting things to say about Re: OT
Martha Stewart Report:

>She'd stop and mess with him every once in a while. The affection she
>had for that cat really seemed genuine. I don't think anybody would put
>up with eight cats as a "facade." One maybe! But you've gotta love cats
>to have eight of them.

I'll concede she has a certain amount of acting ability. She also has
peons, er, servants to do the actual pet care (no way would Her
Imperiousness actually stoop to cleaning a litterbox, she's too lofty
and above mere humanity for that), so if she only has to put on the
show of caring about anything other than La Martha for the benefit of
cameras, she could probably handle that much.

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Karen - 05 Mar 2005 19:11 GMT
> sriddles@aol.com had some very interesting things to say about Re: OT
> Martha Stewart Report:
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> show of caring about anything other than La Martha for the benefit of
> cameras, she could probably handle that much.

Hmm. I've never gotten the impression that she doesn't do things herself.
Not that I'm a huge fan or anything but I've found her show interesting on
occassion. It's a little prozac like, but I've always felt she did
EVERYTHING being she seems a bit anal retenive perfectionist. OK, maybe more
than a bit.
Jo Firey - 05 Mar 2005 20:46 GMT
> in article uurj21pj7ek7ncidg2hnt6csiii23pddqh@4ax.com, Seanette Blaylock
> at
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> more
> than a bit.

Not hardly.  She has a huge staff that makes it look like she does all this
stuff.  And gives the impression anyone else can do it all too if they only
tried.

Jo
L. (usenetlyn) - 06 Mar 2005 01:11 GMT
> Not hardly.  She has a huge staff that makes it look like she does all this
> stuff.  And gives the impression anyone else can do it all too if they only
> tried.
>
> Jo

Same as in Trading Spaces, While You Were Out, etc.  The families don't
do the work - there is a whole staff that does.  People we know were on
WYWO.

-L.
Mary - 06 Mar 2005 00:17 GMT
> > > How come?
> > > My-o-my. I must say I've never seen such collective cattiness on
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> up with eight cats as a "facade." One maybe! But you've gotta love cats
> to have eight of them.

I recall this article. She has spoken out against declawing IIRC.
Cheryl - 06 Mar 2005 17:15 GMT
On Sat 05 Mar 2005 03:11:01a,  wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
(news:1110010261.923692.12600@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com):

> I missed the declaw statement. Where was it? Because I do
> remember in Living an article about scratching posts and IIRC
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> up with eight cats as a "facade." One maybe! But you've gotta
> love cats to have eight of them.

That Marc Morrone (SP) show is produced by her company, too. I don't
tend to agree with some of the things he says but he's mainly a bird
person. He has had some neat tips about cat furniture, though!

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Karen - 05 Mar 2005 14:16 GMT
>> How come?
>> My-o-my. I must say I've never seen such collective cattiness on this
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> decorative items.  IIRC she also said something about DECLAWING a cat
> to protect furniture.

Now actually, the guy she always had on her show was specifically
anit-declaw is what I recall. I don't think she is a declaw advocate. I'm
pretty sure on this one.

> What I don't like about her is her focus on the material.  It's just
> *so* unimportant to me, I really can't even say much about it.
>
> Plus I'd like to take a pair of hedge clippers to those freaking bangs
> of hers...

Have to agree there. Martha's hair drives me nuts.
> -L.
Mary - 06 Mar 2005 00:21 GMT
"Karen" <kchuplis@alltel.net> wrote :about DECLAWING a cat
> > to protect furniture.
>
> Now actually, the guy she always had on her show was specifically
> anit-declaw is what I recall. I don't think she is a declaw advocate. I'm
> pretty sure on this one.

She is anti-declaw. She is also the antithesis of the "victim mentality"
in that she is self made and unstoppable. I think this is part of why
she is the object of so much jealousy. She didn't need a man, a
support group, or a trust fund. No offense to those who do, but
I love to see strong women--strong people, actually. I don't like
all that fru-fru stuff and cannot take it seriously. It is just her
business. She was brilliant to see the need for the Decor Diva
and make millions on it.

> > What I don't like about her is her focus on the material.  It's just
> > *so* unimportant to me, I really can't even say much about it.
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>
> Have to agree there. Martha's hair drives me nuts.

Pfft. Look at Donald Trump.
CatNipped - 06 Mar 2005 00:31 GMT
> She is anti-declaw. She is also the antithesis of the "victim mentality"
> in that she is self made and unstoppable. I think this is part of why
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> business. She was brilliant to see the need for the Decor Diva
> and make millions on it.

All true.  If you buy into all that stuff, then she was there for you - if
you don't buy into there's no need for you to feel guilty about not buying
it - different strokes for different folks.  I just wish I'd thought of it
first (not that I ever would have!).

> Pfft. Look at Donald Trump.

LOL!  Touche'!  That reminds me of this:
http://www.possibleplaces.com/Trump/

Hugs,

CatNipped
Mary - 06 Mar 2005 04:31 GMT
> > She is anti-declaw. She is also the antithesis of the "victim mentality"
> > in that she is self made and unstoppable. I think this is part of why
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> LOL!  Touche'!  That reminds me of this:
> http://www.possibleplaces.com/Trump/

ha! I have never seen that! What a hoot!
Christina Websell - 08 Mar 2005 01:49 GMT
>>> How come?
>>> My-o-my. I must say I've never seen such collective cattiness on this
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Have to agree there. Martha's hair drives me nuts.
>> -L.

Hmmm.  Martha Stewart.  I still do not have a clue who she is and I wonder
why the thread has exploded.  No doubt it's important in the USA.  It's
obviously all in the news there.
Forgive me, please, for killing the whole thread now without reading any of
it.  I can't see that I can possibly have anything to contribute to it.

Tweed
Cheryl - 08 Mar 2005 03:13 GMT
> Hmmm.  Martha Stewart.  I still do not have a clue who she is
> and I wonder why the thread has exploded.  No doubt it's
> important in the USA.  It's obviously all in the news there.
> Forgive me, please, for killing the whole thread now without
> reading any of it.  I can't see that I can possibly have
> anything to contribute to it.

LOL! I'm not getting much out of this thread either. I don't get why
she attracts so much attention. There's always some like that. Just
mark read, move along. :)

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Kreisleriana - 08 Mar 2005 15:10 GMT
>> Hmmm.  Martha Stewart.  I still do not have a clue who she is
>> and I wonder why the thread has exploded.  No doubt it's
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>she attracts so much attention. There's always some like that. Just
>mark read, move along. :)

Sorry about that.  If you lived here, you would be kept informed as to
here every movement down to her eyeblinks. ;)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Mar 2005 18:13 GMT
> Sorry about that.  If you lived here, you would be kept informed as to here
> every movement down to her eyeblinks. ;)

Oh, bah!  I haven't seen or heard a word about her, outside of this newsgroup.
Probably because I don't watch much TV.  I did watch four episodes of Angel
back to back on Sunday, though!  Oscar likes it when I lie down on the couch
and spread the blanket; for some reason, she avoids my lap unless it's covered
in blanket, in which case it's apparently irresistable.

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Mary - 05 Mar 2005 22:14 GMT
> > How come?
> > My-o-my. I must say I've never seen such collective cattiness on this
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> Plus I'd like to take a pair of hedge clippers to those freaking bangs
> of hers...

What a material concern--her bangs, that is.
Yoj - 05 Mar 2005 08:04 GMT
> How come?
> My-o-my. I must say I've never seen such collective cattiness on this
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Sherry

The main thing I dislike about her is her smugness.  Her very tone of voice
is irritating.  Her attitudeappears to be that anybody has the time and
money to make the elegant centerpieces, etc. that she supposedly does.  This
is very annoying to someone on Social Security with two left thumbs.  It
also annoys me to go into K-Mart and find her name all over everything in
the household linens department.  I prefer a choice.

Joy
Mary - 06 Mar 2005 00:15 GMT
> The main thing I dislike about her is her smugness.  Her very tone of voice
> is irritating.  Her attitudeappears to be that anybody has the time and
> money to make the elegant centerpieces, etc. that she supposedly does.

You know, this is true. The little I have watched her, she did seem like
this.
Cheryl Perkins - 06 Mar 2005 01:09 GMT
>> The main thing I dislike about her is her smugness.  Her very tone of
> voice
>> is irritating.  Her attitudeappears to be that anybody has the time and
>> money to make the elegant centerpieces, etc. that she supposedly does.

> You know, this is true. The little I have watched her, she did seem like
> this.

Well - she's a performer, and apparently, since she's a very successful
one, a lot of people like her performances. I don't know if I do or not,
because I don't think I've ever seen her show. I have seen take-offs of
her. I confess to a certain fascination with lifestyles I can't and
wouldn't really want to emulate, but so far that taste has been satisfied
with books. I suppose that's what people who enjoy her show watch her for,
not really because they think everyone's supposed to live that way.

But some people simply grate on other people's neves, while really
appealing to some people. My candidate(s) for absolutely irritating
television personality would be practically everyone I have seen in every
reality show I haven't been able to avoid watching a bit of.

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Mary - 06 Mar 2005 04:34 GMT
> >> The main thing I dislike about her is her smugness.  Her very tone of
> > voice
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> television personality would be practically everyone I have seen in every
> reality show I haven't been able to avoid watching a bit of.

You have a neat way of thinking--you see the different sides of things.
And I think you're right, people who buy her persona and products
do not WANT Martha to be down to earth.
Mary - 05 Mar 2005 22:13 GMT
> How come?
> My-o-my. I must say I've never seen such collective cattiness on this
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Martha's doing these days either, but I don't hate her.
> Besides, she's an animal lover.

I think she is killer because she is a self-made millionaire who
made her fortune after her husband left her. As a role model
for female entrepreneurs, she rocks. And she got tempted
by greed and went bad just like the boys, but paid her dues.
(I am not fond of all that girlie stuff she does, but to me that
is secondary.) She is a powerful woman who calls her own
shots. I dig it.
sriddles@aol.com - 05 Mar 2005 23:50 GMT
I agree. And like Victor said also, even though she's not exactly my
role model, I wish her well.
I realize this thread took a direction that Theresa probably didn't
intend, and that's partly my fault. But it just stunned me how, in a
group like this that prides itself on being so "nice" , the vicious
attacks that were posted about Martha Stewart, and the various
allegations that nobody seems to be able to verify.
So she snipped at her mother on national TV. Big deal. Who among us
hasn't done that also, and no one seems to have seen this snipping
first-hand.
So she cussed like salty sailor at her neighbor's landscaper and
threatened him with an SUV. Sounds pretty bad, unless you ever watch
court TV, and realize worse than that goes on among neighbors in the US
every day. Are those people also deserving of hatred from us, the ones
who don't even know them? I mean, what have they done to *us*?
I haven't yet seen any evidence, and can't find any, that she's a
declaw proponent. I don't see any evidence that she's a big phony whose
pets are nothing but props to enhance her image.
I don't mean to step on any toes here. But some of the stuff I've seen
posted in this thread is just plain mean.

Sherry
Kreisleriana - 06 Mar 2005 04:01 GMT
>I agree. And like Victor said also, even though she's not exactly my
>role model, I wish her well.
>I realize this thread took a direction that Theresa probably didn't
>intend, and that's partly my fault. <snip>

This just in.  She's decided to make an early night.  She is wearing a
polka-dotted flannel nightgown, and taking a copy of Adam Smith's "The
Wealth of Nations" to read in bed. ;)

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L. (usenetlyn) - 06 Mar 2005 09:17 GMT
> I agree. And like Victor said also, even though she's not exactly my
> role model, I wish her well.
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> attacks that were posted about Martha Stewart, and the various
> allegations that nobody seems to be able to verify.

Well, FWIW, I recalled the declaw comment from an episode.  I can't
verify it so it might not have been her - but I *think* it was.

IMO, if you hold yourself up as an icon which she does, people have the
right to say anything they want about you.

> So she snipped at her mother on national TV. Big deal.
>Who among us
> hasn't done that also,

I never snipped at my Mom on national TV... ;)

>and no one seems to have seen this >snipping
> first-hand.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> every day. Are those people also deserving of hatred from us, the ones
> who don't even know them? I mean, what have they done to *us*?

Nothing, but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to find them
irritating.

> I haven't yet seen any evidence, and can't find any, that she's a
> declaw proponent. I don't see any evidence that she's a big phony whose
> pets are nothing but props to enhance her image.
> I don't mean to step on any toes here. But some of the stuff >I've
seen
> posted in this thread is just plain mean.

Oh poor Martha!   IIRC she made out that she came from humble
beginnings, etc. but what was revealed was that she more-or-less was
born with a silver spoon in her mouth.  Personally the few times I
watched her show, I just found her pretentious and annoying - and I
don't really care what happens to her, one way or another.  But I will
say that for someone who supposedly prides herself on using quality
goods, most of the items with her name on them at KMart are schlock.

Her paint is good, though, or it used to be...

-L.
sriddles@aol.com - 06 Mar 2005 15:54 GMT
I wonder how many people actually *do* relate to her. I can't, mostly
because the ingredients she uses I never HEARD of, and her Connecticut
garden ideas would burn to a crisp in Oklahoma. And my family tends to
wolf down food before they notice how meticulously planned the
"presentation" was.  I guess I'm just more "Earth Mother" type than
"Martha Stewart" type.
I guess the idea I was trying to put forth is that I was really
surprised at the animosity toward her. I guess I just don't get it. I
won't name any names here (Frank Shurden, D-OK), but it generally has
to be on a personal level before I really loathe anybody I don't know.
(Look him up sometime when you're bored. Unbelievable)
Sherry
L. (usenetlyn) - 06 Mar 2005 16:28 GMT
> I wonder how many people actually *do* relate to her. I can't, mostly
> because the ingredients she uses I never HEARD of, and her Connecticut
> garden ideas would burn to a crisp in Oklahoma. And my family tends to
> wolf down food before they notice how meticulously planned the
> "presentation" was.  I guess I'm just more "Earth Mother" type than
> "Martha Stewart" type.

LOL...as am I.  I just don't get that tightly-clenched teeth,
East-coast, "I'm going tot he club with Skippy", Hamptons mentality.
And honestly, a lot of what she does on the show is just plain stupid
("Let's shellack a loaf of bread and wrap it with gingham ribbon!")

> I guess the idea I was trying to put forth is that I was really
> surprised at the animosity toward her. I guess I just don't >get it.
I
> won't name any names here (Frank Shurden, D-OK), but it >generally
has
> to be on a personal level before I really loathe anybody I >don't
know.
> (Look him up sometime when you're bored. Unbelievable)

Ooooh - I will.  I eat up political BS  - I will certainly look him up!

-L.
Mary - 06 Mar 2005 20:50 GMT
> > I wonder how many people actually *do* relate to her. I can't, mostly
> > because the ingredients she uses I never HEARD of, and her
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> LOL...as am I.  I just don't get that tightly-clenched teeth,
> East-coast, "I'm going tot he club with Skippy", Hamptons mentality.

Martha would never go to the club. Martha would entertain at home
where it can be done RIGHT.
Cheryl Perkins - 06 Mar 2005 17:32 GMT
<snip>
> I guess the idea I was trying to put forth is that I was really
> surprised at the animosity toward her. I guess I just don't get it. I
> won't name any names here (Frank Shurden, D-OK), but it generally has
> to be on a personal level before I really loathe anybody I don't know.
> (Look him up sometime when you're bored. Unbelievable)
> Sherry

Never heard of Shurden, but really, I agree with you otherwise. I just
can't get that worked up about some famous person, even if I don't
particularly like what I've read about their style or their work. For me
to work up a real spite against someone, I have to know the person, and
there has to be a real, in-person grudge at the root of my animosity.
Fortunately, most of the people I know IRL haven't been pissing me off
quite that much recently!

But some stranger, even a famous one? Who cares? I don't.

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Karen - 06 Mar 2005 18:15 GMT
> I wonder how many people actually *do* relate to her. I can't, mostly
> because the ingredients she uses I never HEARD of, and her Connecticut
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> (Look him up sometime when you're bored. Unbelievable)
> Sherry

Is Frank the guy that wants to put little fencing vests on cocks for
fighting?
sriddles@aol.com - 07 Mar 2005 00:41 GMT
<Is Frank the guy that wants to put little fencing vests on cocks for
fighting?
<

YES. That's Frank. I got crossways with him over when the original
cockfighting issue went on the ballot. Now he wants to equip the
roosters with little boxing gloves, and make them wear little
electronic vests to record the scoring. Yeesh. He's desperate to
overturn the vote of the people that banned cockfighting a couple years
ago.
Before that, he was all about castrating sex offenders.
BTW, will somebody tell me if my posts look right? I thought Google
automatically attributed text at first, but I guess it doesn't.
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Karen - 07 Mar 2005 01:00 GMT
> <Is Frank the guy that wants to put little fencing vests on cocks for
> fighting?
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> automatically attributed text at first, but I guess it doesn't.
> Sherry

They seem ok to me.

Yeah, I heard an interview with him on NPR and he was just SOOOOOOOOO hickey
redneck. And this whole vest thing, having some guy in CA make custom vests.
Yeesh is right.I just thought "you are TOO wierd".
L. (usenetlyn) - 07 Mar 2005 19:14 GMT
> <Is Frank the guy that wants to put little fencing vests on cocks for
> fighting?
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> automatically attributed text at first, but I guess it doesn't.
> Sherry

It looks ok.  If you click <show options> at the top of the post you
want to reply, and then hit <reply> it will automatically quote the
text for you.

RE: Cockfighting.  I just don't understand how anyone can see "sport"
in it.  Just boggles the mind....

-L.
Jo Firey - 06 Mar 2005 19:34 GMT
Sounds like around here.  I'm fond of saying "the food is great.  The
service stinks.  But then so do the tips"  Presentation is the food is
cooked and warm on the stove, the salad if there is one is cold and on the
counter.  And there are clean dished in the cupboard and clean silverware in
the drawer.   Teenage boys seem to approve.

Jo
>I wonder how many people actually *do* relate to her. I can't, mostly
> because the ingredients she uses I never HEARD of, and her Connecticut
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> (Look him up sometime when you're bored. Unbelievable)
> Sherry
Mary - 06 Mar 2005 20:48 GMT
> I wonder how many people actually *do* relate to her. I can't, mostly
> because the ingredients she uses I never HEARD of, and her Connecticut
> garden ideas would burn to a crisp in Oklahoma. And my family tends to
> wolf down food before they notice how meticulously planned the
> "presentation" was.  I guess I'm just more "Earth Mother" type than
> "Martha Stewart" type.

A LOT of southern women relate to her. It's one part of southern
culture I don't really understand.
Nina K Pettis - 06 Mar 2005 21:55 GMT
>>I wonder how many people actually *do* relate to her. I can't, mostly
>>because the ingredients she uses I never HEARD of, and her Connecticut
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> A LOT of southern women relate to her. It's one part of southern
> culture I don't really understand.

My Southern sister (we're from Georgia, now living in Texas) just
looooooves Martha and all of the other cooking and home decorating shows.
She doesn't cook, craft or decorate... she just likes to watch!  I don't
like to watch them, but I do some crafts and cook a little.  Go figure...

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Mary - 07 Mar 2005 02:00 GMT
> >>I wonder how many people actually *do* relate to her. I can't, mostly
> >>because the ingredients she uses I never HEARD of, and her Connecticut
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> She doesn't cook, craft or decorate... she just likes to watch!  I don't
> like to watch them, but I do some crafts and cook a little.  Go figure...

To watch? That is funny! Nesting is fun, Nina. I enjoy making
our house pleasing to look at
and comfortable to be in--to a point. I love fine things because
they are well-made or beautiful, but not as a social status thing.
For beauty, I'll go outdoors or to an art museum or gallery!
I just think some people (women and men!) lay it on pretty
thick when it comes to decorating. Still, if it is what they
enjoy, good for them.
sriddles@aol.com - 07 Mar 2005 04:27 GMT
<<To watch? That is funny! Nesting is fun, Nina. I enjoy making
our house pleasing to look at
and comfortable to be in--to a point. I love fine things because
they are well-made or beautiful, but not as a social status thing.
For beauty, I'll go outdoors or to an art museum or gallery!
I just think some people (women and men!) lay it on pretty
thick when it comes to decorating. Still, if it is what they
enjoy, good for them. <<<

Martha would probably faint in my house. I just like to have the things
around me that I love. They don't match. One time in particular I did
feel very Martha Stewart-ish, on Mother's Day last year. There was a
perfect red rose, and I cut it and fashioned a very simple-yet-elegant
corsage, just like Martha. . Wore it to church.  During meet-and-greet,
a nice elderly gentleman said, "I don't want to scare you, but there's
a big black spider crawling out of your corsage."
And that's the kind of stuff that happens in real life.

Sherry
Karen - 07 Mar 2005 05:04 GMT
> <<To watch? That is funny! Nesting is fun, Nina. I enjoy making
> our house pleasing to look at
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>
> Sherry

ROFL!!!!
Marina - 07 Mar 2005 13:59 GMT
> Martha would probably faint in my house. I just like to have the things
> around me that I love. They don't match. One time in particular I did
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> a big black spider crawling out of your corsage."
> And that's the kind of stuff that happens in real life.

LOL! <shudder>

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Mary - 07 Mar 2005 17:50 GMT
> <<To watch? That is funny! Nesting is fun, Nina. I enjoy making
> our house pleasing to look at
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> a big black spider crawling out of your corsage."
> And that's the kind of stuff that happens in real life.

I love this story. What a metaphor for life!! Meanwhile, back at this
"ranch"--nearly every object I own has sentimental value. I don't like
holding on to things. One of my greatest pleasures is to purge the house
every year. (I donate, and do not waste.) The catalyst is Christmas, when
we all receive many lovely things we do not want or need. Mine go
straight to local charities, tags and all, and while I am at it I take that
size 4 dress I love but will never, ever get into again. But the sentimental
things pile up too, and I will never, ever let them go.
L. (usenetlyn) - 07 Mar 2005 19:15 GMT
> Martha would probably faint in my house. I just like to have the things
> around me that I love. They don't match. One time in particular I did
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Sherry

LOL...hilarious!

-L.
Cheryl - 08 Mar 2005 01:41 GMT
On Sun 06 Mar 2005 11:27:26p,  wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
(news:1110169646.720671.305440@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com):

> There was a
> perfect red rose, and I cut it and fashioned a very
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> crawling out of your corsage." And that's the kind of stuff that
> happens in real life.

LOL That's the kind of thing that would happen to me in real life.

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Kreisleriana - 07 Mar 2005 15:19 GMT
>>>I wonder how many people actually *do* relate to her. I can't, mostly
>>>because the ingredients she uses I never HEARD of, and her Connecticut
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>She doesn't cook, craft or decorate... she just likes to watch!  I don't
>like to watch them, but I do some crafts and cook a little.  Go figure...

You see, this is interesting, becasue it goes right to why some people
find her disturbing.  I was always made nervous by Martha on a
hard-to-explain level, because she combines devotion to all those
old-fashioned domestic virtues with a very hard, tense, edgy
personality.  Both those things made me a little nervous, but the
combination was deadly for me.   I always caught that vibe off her,
even before she was as huge as she eventually became.    Even before
she became Queen of All Media, and all these little details about her
kept leaking out, she seemed to me like someone I could easily imagine
screaming at her servants. ;)
I remember David Letterman would have her on, and do projects with
her, and mess up, and tease her, and she would smile-- but you could
just see her teeth grinding and the steam coming out of her ears.  
I would have thought that that edge would have turned off people like
the Southern women you describe.  

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Karen - 07 Mar 2005 16:42 GMT
I think she isn't the most pleasant person. People at dinner functions
always reported they hated sitting next to her. On the other hand, a lot of
people close to her seem to be reporting a big change and frankly, living
amongst what were probably very low income women for 5 months just may have
done some eye opening. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt
because, well, we can all use some changing can't we?

> >>>I wonder how many people actually *do* relate to her. I can't, mostly
> >>>because the ingredients she uses I never HEARD of, and her Connecticut
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Cheryl Perkins - 07 Mar 2005 16:53 GMT
> I think she isn't the most pleasant person. People at dinner functions
> always reported they hated sitting next to her. On the other hand, a lot of
> people close to her seem to be reporting a big change and frankly, living
> amongst what were probably very low income women for 5 months just may have
> done some eye opening. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt
> because, well, we can all use some changing can't we?

But lots of people are unpleasant - even without the testimony of people
sitting next to her at dinner (not that I've ever met anyone who ever met,
much less ate with her...). Some, like Martha Stewart, seem to get
condemned for unpleasantness a lot more than others who are probably (at
least, according to gossip) every bit as unpleasant.

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Karen - 07 Mar 2005 17:16 GMT
> > I think she isn't the most pleasant person. People at dinner functions
> > always reported they hated sitting next to her. On the other hand, a lot of
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> condemned for unpleasantness a lot more than others who are probably (at
> least, according to gossip) every bit as unpleasant.

What's funny is, there are different kinds of unpleasant. But also, when you
are famed for all the 'hostessing' tips, as she is, I think people expect
her to be somekind of Stepford Guest. That may also be why they are more
critical of her.
Seanette Blaylock - 08 Mar 2005 02:47 GMT
Cheryl Perkins <cperkins@mun.ca> had some very interesting things to
say about Re: OT Martha Stewart Report:

>But lots of people are unpleasant - even without the testimony of people
>sitting next to her at dinner (not that I've ever met anyone who ever met,
>much less ate with her...). Some, like Martha Stewart, seem to get
>condemned for unpleasantness a lot more than others who are probably (at
>least, according to gossip) every bit as unpleasant.

Tends to happen to those who trumpet themselves to be the oracles of
perfection.

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Cheryl Perkins - 08 Mar 2005 11:53 GMT
> Tends to happen to those who trumpet themselves to be the oracles of
> perfection.

Has she done this? I know a lot of people say she has, but as far as I can
see, all she's done has been to demonstrate a lot of household tips, with
an emphasis on a particular (expensive) style. That's hardly the same
thing as claiming to be personally perfect.

And now my mind is going off on a tangent ... this is maybe a cultural
thing, but someone was telling me recently that for a certain interview,
people were advised to really blow their own horn. Being modest about
one's achievements tended to result in not gaining admission, even though
said achievements were documents in the transcripts, resume, etc. And the
speaker went on to say how this goes against our local culture, etc. it
certainly does mine, and it probably stuck in my mind because I have some
hopes of an interview in the next couple months, and if I have to claim to
be an oracle of perfection, I'm not going to do well.

So, what's the difference between putting oneself forward as was described
to me as the way to act in an interview, and claiming to be perfect, and
therefore being a justifiable target of gossip and derision?

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Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Mar 2005 15:34 GMT
> So, what's the difference between putting oneself forward as was described
> to me as the way to act in an interview, and claiming to be perfect, and
> therefore being a justifiable target of gossip and derision?

Good question here, and I do suspect that for the most part the exact same
behavior will be viewed differently when coming from a man or a woman.
Unfortunately, part of the reality may be that you have to know your audience
to guage this well; what some people see as arrogant, others see as confident.

There was one moment in my professional life when I wonder if someone was
being sexist toward me.  At my review two years ago, I was told that I was
perceived as being too opionated, to the extent of annoying other people.  The
funny part here is that when I joined the team, my project lead (not the same
as my reviewer) told me that everyone on the team was highly opinionated and
pushy, and that I'd have to speak up for myself if I wanted to be heard.
*sigh*

At my latest review, though, I was told that I'd turned that image around and
that people are quite impressed with me.  I'm still not exactly sure what
happened, although I do know that after every meeting for a while, my
immediate boss gave me a pointer or two on how to handle the crowd, which is
always full of experienced engineers, some of whom may not be thrilled with
having a more junior engineer disagree with them.  The major conscious change
I recall is the decision to say, "I believe I know the answer, but let me
double-check and contact you rather than giving you the wrong information."
I'm not even sure that's related, but it may have resulted in fewer "he said,
she said" discussions in the team.

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Kreisleriana - 07 Mar 2005 18:09 GMT
>I think she isn't the most pleasant person. People at dinner functions
>always reported they hated sitting next to her. On the other hand, a lot of
>people close to her seem to be reporting a big change and frankly, living
>amongst what were probably very low income women for 5 months just may have
>done some eye opening. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt
>because, well, we can all use some changing can't we?

We can all hope. ;)

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Mary - 07 Mar 2005 17:44 GMT
> >>>I wonder how many people actually *do* relate to her. I can't, mostly
> >>>because the ingredients she uses I never HEARD of, and her Connecticut
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> I would have thought that that edge would have turned off people like
> the Southern women you describe.

This is a really astute and perceptive description of her--and
lots of the women who like her!!! Lots of resentment, trying
to keep up with the Joneses, stifled anger because they are
tired of being the "iron hand in the silk glove," as the culture
of the Madonna dictates they must be. The kind of snobbery
that immerses itself in the material world is almost always
that of what old money would consider the "nouveau
riche." The richest people I know have a lot of dust
in their houses, wear shoes that are down at the heel
(because they are their favorites) and holes in their khakis.
William Hamblen - 07 Mar 2005 05:44 GMT
>A LOT of southern women relate to her. It's one part of southern
>culture I don't really understand.

I never thought of Martha Stewart as being at all southern.  In Mrs.
Stewart's case, she was a licensed stockbroker before she got into the
cookery book business and therefore knew the rules.  She is not a
naive investor.
Mary - 07 Mar 2005 06:20 GMT
> >A LOT of southern women relate to her. It's one part of southern
> >culture I don't really understand.
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> cookery book business and therefore knew the rules.  She is not a
> naive investor.

She herself is not southern but the glorification of "material culture"
is much more a southern phenomenon than a northern one. I would
say that the southern ladies' love of fru fru crosses socio-economic
lines in a way that such things do not up north. Just my opinion. ;)
(I've lived in both places, and don't have a "dog in this fight.")
Kreisleriana - 07 Mar 2005 15:36 GMT
>>A LOT of southern women relate to her. It's one part of southern
>>culture I don't really understand.
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>cookery book business and therefore knew the rules.  She is not a
>naive investor.

Nothing southern about her.  She's from New Jersey.

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Mary - 07 Mar 2005 17:40 GMT
> >>A LOT of southern women relate to her. It's one part of southern
> >>culture I don't really understand.
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>
> Nothing southern about her.  She's from New Jersey.

But a lot of southern women relate to her. It's true.
CatNipped - 07 Mar 2005 16:52 GMT
> A LOT of southern women relate to her. It's one part of southern
> culture I don't really understand.

I'm a southern lady, born to and reared by a southern lady, from a long line
of southern ladies.  Being a southern lady has less to do with *what* you do
as much as *how* you do it.  Rather, it's how you conduct yourself, your
manners, your sensibilities, your loyalties, your inner strength, and the
way you keep your family together.  In fact, most southern ladies don't
bother themselves with trivia they're too busy working for bigger causes.

I don't at all relate to Martha's activities re home decorations, although I
have nothing against her.  I would think New England women of wealth would
relate better to her.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Mary - 07 Mar 2005 17:36 GMT
> > A LOT of southern women relate to her. It's one part of southern
> > culture I don't really understand.
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> have nothing against her.  I would think New England women of wealth would
> relate better to her.

I did NOT mean that all southern ladies dig her, Lori. I did mean that
I have seen a lot more interest in that fru fru stuff here in the southeast
than
anywhere else I have ever lived. And not among the wealthiest people.
Among the wealther people I have known (north south east and west)
conspicuous consumption is not done. It's considered bad form.
CatNipped - 07 Mar 2005 17:54 GMT
> I did NOT mean that all southern ladies dig her, Lori. I did mean that
> I have seen a lot more interest in that fru fru stuff here in the
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> Among the wealther people I have known (north south east and west)
> conspicuous consumption is not done. It's considered bad form.

Oh no, I didn't take it like that - sorry.  I just have a different
impression of southern women than a lot of people seem to - having been
reared in New Orleans.

See, I have a different impression of the wealthy of New England / New
York - the whole "summering in the Hamptons" sort of thing.  I guess we all
just don't "get" what it's like to live in a certain area unless we come
from that area.  Surface impressions are almost invariably wrong.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Mary - 07 Mar 2005 18:01 GMT
> > I did NOT mean that all southern ladies dig her, Lori. I did mean that
> > I have seen a lot more interest in that fru fru stuff here in the
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> just don't "get" what it's like to live in a certain area unless we come
> from that area.  Surface impressions are almost invariably wrong.

I have to say that it is my impression that Louisianans are just a
breed apart--like Texans are. I don't think I would ever lump
either in with "southern people." But then, when we get right
down to it, all these generalizations are false. It sure is hard
to discuss things without a certain number of them, though!
Next time I will say "North Carolinian and Virginian?" But
I will still be wrong because of all the anti-fru-fru ladies
here! :)
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Mar 2005 18:16 GMT
> I have to say that it is my impression that Louisianans are just a breed
> apart--like Texans are. I don't think I would ever lump either in with
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> Virginian?" But I will still be wrong because of all the anti-fru-fru ladies
> here! :)

Indeed.  I grew up in northern VA, and it is emphatically *not* "the south."
Not in the way that southern VA and NC are, at least where I've been.

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Howard Berkowitz - 08 Mar 2005 00:07 GMT
> > I have to say that it is my impression that Louisianans are just a
> > breed
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> south."
> Not in the way that southern VA and NC are, at least where I've been.

It is reasonable to extend, to Northern Virginia, John F. Kennedy's
description of Washington DC as the city of Northern charm and Southern
efficiency.  I live in Arlington, VA.
Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Mar 2005 00:37 GMT
>> Indeed.  I grew up in northern VA, and it is emphatically *not* "the
>> south." Not in the way that southern VA and NC are, at least where I've
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> description of Washington DC as the city of Northern charm and Southern<