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Susan M - 03 Mar 2005 05:37 GMT
Hi there:

I'm embarassed but I'm obsessed with greyhounds.  I'd like to adopt a
retired racing hound sometime.  They don't stink like other d*gs, are
totally affectionate and super laid back.  Their fur feels like Otis' when
you pet them.  They are total couch potatos - like to rip around the yard a
few times a day and walk a few times a day - and then sleep and cuddle like
crazy.  http://www.coloradogreyhoundadoption.org/fosterdogs/adogs2.html  for
some that would like to be adopted.  So many are killed per year due to
failed or ended racing careers that its a crying shame.  They actually need
time to be puppies and learn what houses are about - though they are
socialized with other dogs and humans early and constantly in a racing
environment - not an affectionate environment.  You have to teach them to
walk up stairs!

I would *never* adopt one while my cats were still living and I have made
Otis promise me that he'll be with me until *at least* he's 22 years old,
which makes my adoption of a greyhound at least 13 years out.  I'm just
besotted with them *and* cats.  Greyhounds and cats don't always mix.
Greyhounds are trained to run after small furry creatures and are pretty
much one of the few dogs that could catch a cat if it chose to run.  Some
are great with cats.

Otis is such an emotionally dependent and sensitive cat that I would never
do him emotional or psychological harm by bringing in a dog that had the
same emotional sensitivity.

So many animals and SO LITTLE TIME!!!!!

Susan M
Otis and Chester
... and a heart big enough for *all* the animals in the world
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Mar 2005 06:00 GMT
> So many animals and SO LITTLE TIME!!!!!

Amen.  I desperately want a black lab (well, a mix actually, but some lab
anyway) ... but we really need to have a fence and a doghouse first, and we
need to be spending the money on other things.  DH says we don't have time for
a dog; I know I could make it work, and I certainly wouldn't get a dog if I
didn't think it would get enough attention.  I've thought alot about Oscar and
a dog; she's lived with them before, much more successfully than with another
cat.  It was certainly in the back of my mind when I got Oscar a cat tree,
giving her a place above doggie reach.  The dog would stay outside during the
day, so that would give her a chance to get a break, too.

My dad keeps saying not to even think about it, though he knows it's my
decision.  He says they're a lot of work and of course I know this.  But I do
want one.  Maybe in a year or two I'll have finances in better shape for it.

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Susan M - 03 Mar 2005 06:06 GMT
>> So many animals and SO LITTLE TIME!!!!!
>
> Amen.  I desperately want a black lab (well, a mix actually, but some lab
> anyway) ...

thanks for understanding.  I wish you well on your d*g venture as well :-)
Loved your pics of Oscar again.  What personality!

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Yowie - 03 Mar 2005 06:07 GMT
> Hi there:
>
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> environment - not an affectionate environment.  You have to teach them to
> walk up stairs!

I like greyhounds too, and hte ones on that page look *adorable*. Ialso like
rottweilers - they're both very misunderstood d*ggies.

I hope you can one day enjoy the company of a great lovehound :-)

Yowie
jmcquown - 03 Mar 2005 07:53 GMT
> Hi there:
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Otis and Chester
> ... and a heart big enough for *all* the animals in the world

I've always loved the greyhounds I've seen at PetCo and other places where
they were holding adoption sessions.  They were all gentle, sweet dogs that
loved the human attention.  I hope you get to have one at some point.

Jill
L. (usenetlyn) - 03 Mar 2005 07:58 GMT
> Hi there:
>
> I'm embarassed but I'm obsessed with greyhounds.

Don't be embarassed.  Adopting a loving companion and saving a life -
what is there to be embarassed about?

Hope you get your wish someday. :)

-L.
(who would love to have a French Bulldog but won't support breeding...)
Victor Martinez - 03 Mar 2005 13:52 GMT
> So many animals and SO LITTLE TIME!!!!!

I hear you. Here's a list of the animals I'd like to have: dog, ferret,
snake, hamster, parrot (US born, of course). Tom is only willing to have
a dog, but I don't think the cats would forgive us, especially Luna. And
we really don't have time to walk the dog, etc. Plus their stinky critters!

> .... and a heart big enough for *all* the animals in the world

Me too.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Mar 2005 16:55 GMT
> I hear you. Here's a list of the animals I'd like to have: dog, ferret,
> snake, hamster, parrot (US born, of course). Tom is only willing to have a
> dog, but I don't think the cats would forgive us, especially Luna. And we
> really don't have time to walk the dog, etc. Plus their stinky critters!

Stinky?  Depends on the fur, really.  Some dogs have oily fur; it's their own
waterproofing, and yeah, it's a bit stinky.  I can always tell when I've been
petting a lab.  But not all dogs have that.

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Kreisleriana - 03 Mar 2005 17:23 GMT
>> I hear you. Here's a list of the animals I'd like to have: dog, ferret,
>> snake, hamster, parrot (US born, of course). Tom is only willing to have a
>> dog, but I don't think the cats would forgive us, especially Luna. And we
>> really don't have time to walk the dog, etc. Plus their stinky critters!
>
>Stinky?

Yes?
Love,
Stinky

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Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Mar 2005 17:39 GMT
>>> I hear you. Here's a list of the animals I'd like to have: dog, ferret,
>>> snake, hamster, parrot (US born, of course). Tom is only willing to have a
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> Love,
> Stinky

Oops!  Sorry, Stinky, I was talking about someone else!

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Victor M - 03 Mar 2005 19:11 GMT
> Stinky?  Depends on the fur, really.  Some dogs have oily fur; it's their own
> waterproofing, and yeah, it's a bit stinky.  I can always tell when I've been
> petting a lab.  But not all dogs have that.

I didn't know that... it seems like every dog I've ever petted stunk.
:)
I like to mortify my MIL when I call her dog "stinky", right after she
told me she had just spent so much money at the doggy spa... :)

Victor
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Mar 2005 19:48 GMT
> I didn't know that... it seems like every dog I've ever petted stunk.
>:) I like to mortify my MIL when I call her dog "stinky", right after she
>told me she had just spent so much money at the doggy spa... :)

LOL!

My aunt has a giant schnautzer, and she says he has to get haircuts as often
as she does, and they're just as expensive!

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Mary - 03 Mar 2005 23:45 GMT
> > I didn't know that... it seems like every dog I've ever petted stunk.
> >:) I like to mortify my MIL when I call her dog "stinky", right after she
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>
> My aunt has a giant schnautzer

Why is the idea of a GIANT Schnautzer so scary to me?
I mean, exactly how big is this schnautzer?
Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Mar 2005 00:10 GMT
>> My aunt has a giant schnautzer
>
> Why is the idea of a GIANT Schnautzer so scary to me?  I mean, exactly how
> big is this schnautzer?

Truly giant.  Hip height or so.  For some pictures of them next to people, go
to the "Family Album" link of http://www.schnauzergiantbreeder.com/

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Mary - 04 Mar 2005 17:03 GMT
> >> My aunt has a giant schnautzer
> >
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> Truly giant.  Hip height or so.  For some pictures of them next to people, go
> to the "Family Album" link of http://www.schnauzergiantbreeder.com/

That really is scary! Meanwhile, I trusted you on schnautzer, but it is
"schnauzer," just like I thought! Harumph! ;)
Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Mar 2005 18:00 GMT
>> Truly giant.  Hip height or so.  For some pictures of them next to
>> people, go to the "Family Album" link of
>> http://www.schnauzergiantbreeder.com/
>
> That really is scary! Meanwhile, I trusted you on schnautzer, but it
> is "schnauzer," just like I thought! Harumph! ;)

Yeah, it looked weird when I typed it, but I didn't check.  My bad =/  I told
you my German spelling was awful!

Now I have to ask.  Is it any dog that large that you find scary, or is it
something about schnauzers in particular?

My aunt's dog, George, can be intimidating, but he's also a very handsome boy.
I think he's actually "show-quality", not pet quality (right, whatever),
except that one ear is half-floppy.  So it gives him this great, fun-looking
face.  Softens the look, I guess.  They actually tried to give him plastic
surgery to make the ear stand up, but fortunately (imo) it didn't take.

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Mary - 04 Mar 2005 18:32 GMT
> >> Truly giant.  Hip height or so.  For some pictures of them next to
> >> people, go to the "Family Album" link of
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> Now I have to ask.  Is it any dog that large that you find scary, or is it
> something about schnauzers in particular?

It is seeing a dog I am used to seeing small as a GIANT. Ever
have one of those dreams where everything is really huge and you
are teeny tiny? Like that. Think of a Giant Mouse. Maybe.

> My aunt's dog, George, can be intimidating, but he's also a very handsome boy.
> I think he's actually "show-quality", not pet quality (right, whatever),
> except that one ear is half-floppy.  So it gives him this great, fun-looking
> face.  Softens the look, I guess.  They actually tried to give him plastic
> surgery to make the ear stand up, but fortunately (imo) it didn't take.

I love great big dogs. One of the neatest I ever saw was an Irish
Wolfhound that stood taller then me when on his back legs. Another
was a Great Pyrenees. I don't have enough fear of dogs. Or other things,
actually.
CK - 04 Mar 2005 18:37 GMT
> I love great big dogs. One of the neatest I ever saw was an Irish
> Wolfhound that stood taller then me when on his back legs. Another
> was a Great Pyrenees. I don't have enough fear of dogs. Or other things,
> actually.

For me, dogs have to be "dog-size" too. Cat-size dogs don't do it for
me. I'd love to have an Irish wolfhound if I'd live out in the country
and have lots of space. Other of my fave dog breeds are the Briard and
the Old English Sheepdog. We used to have an OES when I was a kid, it
was like a furry sister to my bro and me.

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Mary - 05 Mar 2005 17:26 GMT
> > I love great big dogs. One of the neatest I ever saw was an Irish
> > Wolfhound that stood taller then me when on his back legs. Another
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> the Old English Sheepdog. We used to have an OES when I was a kid, it
> was like a furry sister to my bro and me.

I've never seen a Briard, I'll go look them up!
CK - 05 Mar 2005 17:59 GMT
>>>I love great big dogs. One of the neatest I ever saw was an Irish
>>>Wolfhound that stood taller then me when on his back legs. Another
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>
> I've never seen a Briard, I'll go look them up!

Here's some info on Briards (and other breeds too):
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/briard.htm
http://www.thebreedsofdogs.com/BRIARD.htm

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Mary - 06 Mar 2005 00:03 GMT
"CK" <christal63@INVALIDgmail.com> wrote>
> Here's some info on Briards (and other breeds too):
> http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/briard.htm
> http://www.thebreedsofdogs.com/BRIARD.htm

Oh, my, Christine! What a soft looking coat on the Briard!! Thanks for
saving me the trouble of searching. Lovely dogs.
Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Mar 2005 19:41 GMT
>> Now I have to ask.  Is it any dog that large that you find scary, or is it
>> something about schnauzers in particular?
>
> It is seeing a dog I am used to seeing small as a GIANT. Ever have one of
> those dreams where everything is really huge and you are teeny tiny? Like
> that. Think of a Giant Mouse. Maybe.

Maybe you should see one in person.  They're so gorgeous that you'll get over
your "weirded-out-ness" in a heartbeat!

> I love great big dogs. One of the neatest I ever saw was an Irish Wolfhound
> that stood taller then me when on his back legs. Another was a Great
> Pyrenees. I don't have enough fear of dogs. Or other things, actually.

My parents were friends, for a time, with a couple who had a pack of English
Mastiffs.  Now there were some huge, beautiful dogs.  The alpha male had to be
kept locked in a room when they had visitors, so I never saw him; I guess he
was way too protective of his family.  The rest were good around people,
though.  

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/mastiff.htm

Viewed from behind, they look just like lions.  And they're huge.  I was
probably about 14 or 15 when I played with them.  I remember I stopped petting
one big guy, who was lying down next to me, and he just lifted his paw and
dropped it on my hand.  "You're not going anywhere."  I'll never forget how
heavy the paw was and how the pad felt scratchy on my hand.  The family also
had tons of cats, both theirs and strays they fed, and the dogs got along well
with them.

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Mary - 04 Mar 2005 23:16 GMT
> Maybe you should see one in person.  They're so gorgeous that you'll get over
> your "weirded-out-ness" in a heartbeat!

No doubt. I am nearly as stupid over dogs as I am over cats. I just like
living with cats better.

> > I love great big dogs. One of the neatest I ever saw was an Irish Wolfhound
> > that stood taller then me when on his back legs. Another was a Great
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> had tons of cats, both theirs and strays they fed, and the dogs got along well
> with them.

What a stately, gorgeous breed!
KellyH - 04 Mar 2005 19:12 GMT
> Now I have to ask.  Is it any dog that large that you find scary, or is it
> something about schnauzers in particular?

I have to admit, I am afraid of the big guard dog types; pit bulls,
dobermans, rottweilers, etc.  Intellectually, I know that they are not all
trained to kill, but they still scare me.  Of course, we always have a pit
bull at the shelter and it makes me avoid the dog kennel.

I don't know if I could ever have a dog.  I like playing with them and all,
but I'm not sure if a dog would work in my home. I would have to dog-sit or
something first.  Plus, my cats have never been around one.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Mar 2005 19:32 GMT
>> Now I have to ask.  Is it any dog that large that you find scary, or is it
>> something about schnauzers in particular?
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> trained to kill, but they still scare me.  Of course, we always have a pit
> bull at the shelter and it makes me avoid the dog kennel.

Rottweilers were actually bred as herding dogs.  Their use as "aggressive"
dogs is pretty recent.  I work with a few Rotty fans and have gotten many
lectures =P

I think all the breeds you mention are adorable, but I'd categorize them as
dogs for "advanced" dog owners.  They're not as easy-going as, say,
retrievers.  One of our local shelters actually categorizes dogs using the ski
slope designations: green circle for beginner, blue square for intermediate,
black diamond for advanced.  I thought it was a neat idea.

You avoid the whole dog kennel because there's a pit bull?  I'm just
wondering, have you ever been attacked by a dog?  It's just hard for me to
imagine having that strong of an aversion to a dog based on its breed, but
then, I probably err in the wrong direction; it's just so hard for me to
believe a dog could be mean unless I see it first hand.

> I don't know if I could ever have a dog.  I like playing with them and all,
> but I'm not sure if a dog would work in my home. I would have to dog-sit or
> something first.  Plus, my cats have never been around one.

I think most dogs need a lot more interaction than most cats, and they
typically don't use litterboxes, so there's more work there.  And dogs need a
lot of socialization to teach them not to jump on people, not to pull on their
leashes, etc.  Dogs typically assume that everyone loves them, which can be a
real problem when they're approaching someone who doesn't like them or is
afraid of them.  And while we joke about cats being our owners (okay, okay,
it's not a joke!), if a dog thinks it's the alpha in your home, you have real
problems.

I love dogs and will have one again someday, but they're definitely not a
small commitment.

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KellyH - 04 Mar 2005 19:41 GMT
> You avoid the whole dog kennel because there's a pit bull?  I'm just
> wondering, have you ever been attacked by a dog?  It's just hard for me to
> imagine having that strong of an aversion to a dog based on its breed, but
> then, I probably err in the wrong direction; it's just so hard for me to
> believe a dog could be mean unless I see it first hand.

When I was about 5-6 years old, our neighbor had a Doberman.  The dog would
chase me up the street and our sh*thead neighbor thought that was funny.  He
would let the dog chase me for a bit and then call him off.

I used to live in an urban area where pit bulls are used for fighting and
drug dealer's dogs.  I would go by yards where the dogs charge the fence and
bark at you.  I knew if that fence wasn't there, that dog would probably
kill me.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Mar 2005 20:03 GMT
>> You avoid the whole dog kennel because there's a pit bull?  I'm just
>> wondering, have you ever been attacked by a dog?  It's just hard for me to
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> bark at you.  I knew if that fence wasn't there, that dog would probably
> kill me.

Ugh.  If I had lots of negative experiences with dogs, I'm sure I'd feel the
same as you do.  Of course, it's the owner's fault, but it's the dog that's
directly dangerous.

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Kreisleriana - 04 Mar 2005 23:18 GMT
>> You avoid the whole dog kennel because there's a pit bull?  I'm just
>> wondering, have you ever been attacked by a dog?  It's just hard for me to
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>chase me up the street and our sh*thead neighbor thought that was funny.  He
>would let the dog chase me for a bit and then call him off.

When I was four, I was deathly afraid of a friendly-- even motherly--
but very poorly-trained GSD who lived on our block.  She ran around
loose all the time, and jumped around barking and bouncing all over
the kids on the block.  She was very big, and she just scared me.  One
day I was wondering up the block to see if my friends were around, and
I saw Michette outside her yard.  I did exactly what you're not
supposed to do, I turned and ran (hey, give me a break, I was four
;)).  Of course Michette took off after me, and overtook me easily
(barking her fool head off), and took me down.  I will never forget
how absolutely terrified I was.  I really thought she was going to
bite me.  I saw her big doggy face come right at mine, and felt her
hot doggy breath, and I screamed.   My mom, who heard the scream,
found me lying on the ground screaming with the dog licking my face
mercilessly. ;)

>I used to live in an urban area where pit bulls are used for fighting and
>drug dealer's dogs.  I would go by yards where the dogs charge the fence and
>bark at you.  I knew if that fence wasn't there, that dog would probably
>kill me.

So do I.  But a funny thing happened.  Since there were so many
unneutered pit bulls around, pit bull genes became firmly established
in the local dog population.  Pit bull puppies and crosses flooded the
local shelters.  And over a couple of years, they made a complete
transition in this community from drug dealer/pimp dog to just about
everybody's pampered family dog.  If they affected a pit bull ban here
in NYC, like in the UK and Ontario, it would be impossible to enforce.
Nearly every pet dog obtained from shelters in this city is at least
part pit bull.  I don't believe in breed-specific legislation.  

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Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Mar 2005 23:49 GMT
> When I was four, I was deathly afraid of a friendly-- even motherly-- but
> very poorly-trained GSD who lived on our block.  

What is a GSD?

> I saw her big doggy face come right at mine, and felt her hot doggy
> breath, and I screamed.   My mom, who heard the scream, found me lying
> on the ground screaming with the dog licking my face mercilessly. ;)

I'm glad that's what happened!  You were right to be scared, though, of
course.  You never know what a strange dog will do.  I guess she wasn't
exactly a stranger to you, but still.

> So do I.  But a funny thing happened.  Since there were so many
> unneutered pit bulls around, pit bull genes became firmly established
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> Nearly every pet dog obtained from shelters in this city is at least
> part pit bull.  I don't believe in breed-specific legislation.  

I think they're beautiful dogs.  Is the thing about their jaws locking, or
whatever it is, really true?  This is one argument DH uses against having a
pit bull; he says their jaws are inherently more dangerous than those of other
dogs.

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CatNipped - 04 Mar 2005 23:53 GMT
> I think they're beautiful dogs.  Is the thing about their jaws locking, or
> whatever it is, really true?  This is one argument DH uses against having a
> pit bull; he says their jaws are inherently more dangerous than those of other
> dogs.

Their jaws "lock", but I don't think it's a mechanical function, they're
just *very* determined.  Dog fighters train them by getting them to bite a
rope and then hoisting them into the air so they're hanging by their teeth.
My daughter used to raise pit bulls and they were allowed around her
children and babies with no fear - but *ONLY* because they were *VERY* well
trained from birth.  *Any* dog can be dangerous if they are not trained
well, but pit bulls are especially dangerous because they have been bred for
so many years to be ferocious in fights.

Hugs,

CatNipped

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> monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully
>
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Kreisleriana - 05 Mar 2005 00:06 GMT
>> I think they're beautiful dogs.  Is the thing about their jaws locking, or
>> whatever it is, really true?  This is one argument DH uses against having
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>well, but pit bulls are especially dangerous because they have been bred for
>so many years to be ferocious in fights.

I just want to make one small point here-- it is *dogs* that pit bulls
tend to be fierce towards, not people.  If such a strong dog was
hostile, he couldn't be handled.  So pit bulls were selectively bred
for people-friendliness.   But  because they are so sweet and charming
to people, it can be easy to forget how absolutely nuts they can get
with other dogs.   They should be very carefully socialized to dogs
and cats from puppyhood.

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CatNipped - 05 Mar 2005 00:10 GMT
> I just want to make one small point here-- it is *dogs* that pit bulls
> tend to be fierce towards, not people.  If such a strong dog was
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> with other dogs.   They should be very carefully socialized to dogs
> and cats from puppyhood.

OK, but to further the point, they do have problems distinguishing dogs from
dog-sized people (children) if they are *not* well trained.  I'm ashamed to
say that Houston seems to be a big dog fighting city and we have reports of
children being mauled by pit bulls at least every couple of months.  Of
course we're talking about cretins who train their animals to fight
ferociously and then allow their kids to wander around them unsupervised.

Hugs,

CatNipped

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> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Kreisleriana - 05 Mar 2005 00:23 GMT
>> I just want to make one small point here-- it is *dogs* that pit bulls
>> tend to be fierce towards, not people.  If such a strong dog was
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>OK, but to further the point, they do have problems distinguishing dogs from
>dog-sized people (children) if they are *not* well trained.

Yes, very good point.  Little kids also sometimes smell like food.

>  I'm ashamed to
>say that Houston seems to be a big dog fighting city and we have reports of
>children being mauled by pit bulls at least every couple of months.  Of
>course we're talking about cretins who train their animals to fight
>ferociously and then allow their kids to wander around them unsupervised.

It's so depressing.   There are still gangsta/pimp dogs, and some
fighting in NYC.  But as I've mentioned before, the dogs themselves
miraculously managed their own huge PR campaign.  ;)  When the
inevitable offspring of the first generations of criminally-owned dogs
made it into the adoption stream, these dogs made friends.  Now, if
there was an official "City Dog" of NYC, it would be the pit bull, or
pit bull cross.  

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Jo Firey - 05 Mar 2005 00:18 GMT
>>> I think they're beautiful dogs.  Is the thing about their jaws locking,
>>> or
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> with other dogs.   They should be very carefully socialized to dogs
> and cats from puppyhood.

Pit Bulls make me very uneasy, but its more my doubts about who owns them
and why.  A neighbor across the street had a really beautiful pit that was
seldom out of the back yard.  I just about panicked one day when the dog got
out front while the doors and gates were opened for something.  Particularly
when my addle brained cat ran up to him.  The cat got within a few feet,
reconsidered and froze.  The owner gave the dog a stay command and he just
plain froze in place.  He was shivering but he stayed in place.  I had to
pick up my idiot cat and take her home.

Turns out the dog was beautifully trained.  They kept him in back more for
his protection than anything else.

Jo
Marina - 05 Mar 2005 17:33 GMT
> Pit Bulls make me very uneasy, but its more my doubts about who owns them
> and why.  A neighbor across the street had a really beautiful pit that was
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> plain froze in place.  He was shivering but he stayed in place.  I had to
> pick up my idiot cat and take her home.

Heh. Nikki is even more stupid. She actually scratched a pit bull in the
face when it came a little too close to her for her comfort. I blame the
pit bull's owner, who didn't rein in his dog. Nikki was on a leash, too,
but it didn't even cross my mind that she would go and scratch the poor dog.

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Susan M - 05 Mar 2005 21:05 GMT
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>> Pit Bulls make me very uneasy, but its more my doubts about who owns them
>> and why.  A neighbor across the street had a really beautiful pit that
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> but it didn't even cross my mind that she would go and scratch the poor
> dog.
Marina - 06 Mar 2005 04:49 GMT
> Go Nikki!
>
> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
> Visions of Xena, the warrior cat

Heh. I've often thought that, if I had taken a little more time and
considered her name a little longer, I would have named her Diana after
the Roman Goddess of the Hunt. But I was young and rash, and decided on
her name before I even took her home.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Mar 2005 00:46 GMT
> I just want to make one small point here-- it is *dogs* that pit bulls tend
> to be fierce towards, not people.  If such a strong dog was hostile, he
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> dogs.   They should be very carefully socialized to dogs and cats from
> puppyhood.

I think it's that last point that would worry me.  If I'm going to have
a dog, the dog will not only be going on walks with me, but also joining
me on bike rides and such.  There are bazillions of dogs in my area, and
most areas specify voice control, not leash, so most dogs are off-leash.
If I'm going to have a dog, it must be one that can handle horses,
joggers, cyclists, and other dogs.  And, of course, the dog has to be gentle
with Oscar.

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John F. Eldredge - 07 Mar 2005 03:12 GMT
>>> I think they're beautiful dogs.  Is the thing about their jaws locking, or
>>> whatever it is, really true?  This is one argument DH uses against having
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>with other dogs.   They should be very carefully socialized to dogs
>and cats from puppyhood.

They can also be dangerous to people.  In November 2004, an
18-month-old girl in Woodbury, Tennessee, wandered from her yard to a
nearby yard, where a mother pit bull and her puppies were located.
The child's father was supposed to be watching her, but was in a
drunken stupor.  The dog attacked the little girl, biting her all over
her body and almost severing one of her legs.  The little girl then
lay there for half an hour until her mother got home and discovered
her.  The child survived, but in critical condition.

Here in Nashville, Tennessee, reports of pit bull attacks are fairly
common.  I don't know if they are really more common than attacks by
other breeds of dogs, or whether they are just more likely to be
reported in the media.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Mar 2005 01:06 GMT
> Their jaws "lock", but I don't think it's a mechanical function, they're
> just *very* determined.  Dog fighters train them by getting them to bite a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> well, but pit bulls are especially dangerous because they have been bred for
> so many years to be ferocious in fights.

I don't exactly understand that last sentence.  Are they especially dangerous
because they are inclined to violence, or are they especially dangerous
because their bodies are shaped for fighting?

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CatNipped - 05 Mar 2005 01:14 GMT
> I don't exactly understand that last sentence.  Are they especially dangerous
> because they are inclined to violence, or are they especially dangerous
> because their bodies are shaped for fighting?

For so many generations only the most ferocious dogs were bred - they were
*specifically* bred for meanness in the ring.  Their body shape was also
bred for fighting, so that's also dangerous when combined with the
temperment.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Mar 2005 02:27 GMT
>> I don't exactly understand that last sentence.  Are they especially
>> dangerous because they are inclined to violence, or are they
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> was also bred for fighting, so that's also dangerous when combined
> with the temperment.

So both, I guess.  *sigh*  Poor dogs.

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Kreisleriana - 04 Mar 2005 23:59 GMT
>> When I was four, I was deathly afraid of a friendly-- even motherly-- but
>> very poorly-trained GSD who lived on our block.  
>
>What is a GSD?

Aww,  sorry.  A German Shepherd.

>> I saw her big doggy face come right at mine, and felt her hot doggy
>> breath, and I screamed.   My mom, who heard the scream, found me lying
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>
>I think they're beautiful dogs.

When you get to know them, you absolutely fall in love with them.
They are the most adorable creatures.  When not mistreated,  they are
also usually people-friendly, simply because such a powerful dog was
bred for docility. They would have been too dangerous to handle
otherwise.

> Is the thing about their jaws locking, or
>whatever it is, really true?  This is one argument DH uses against having a
>pit bull; he says their jaws are inherently more dangerous than those of other
>dogs.

I've given up trying to with argue people who have made up their
minds.  They *do* have very powerful jaws, it's perfectly true.  But
they are not the only dog that can hurt you very badly, even kill you.
It is the ignorant low-lives into whose hands these animals fall, who
are responsible for the ruination of the breed.

They have had such a terrible press-- but it is the dogs themselves
who are rehabilitating their reputation here in New York, because the
more of them got into responsible hands, raised and socialized
properly, the more people realized what great dogs they are.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Mar 2005 01:05 GMT
>>What is a GSD?
>
> Aww,  sorry.  A German Shepherd.

Oh!  I've never seen that abbreviation.

>> Is the thing about their jaws locking, or
>>whatever it is, really true?  This is one argument DH uses against having a
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> ignorant low-lives into whose hands these animals fall, who are responsible
> for the ruination of the breed.

When DH was a child, they had a golden retriever who, well, went nuts.  All of
a sudden she became very aggressive, and he still has scars from her bites.
They finally euthanized her.  They believe it was the result of inbreeding; I
honestly do not believe the dog was abused.  He still has fond memories of her
when she was acting like a normal dog.

Anyway, with this experience, he is cautious about extremely large dogs or
ones with traits that could make them particularly dangerous.  On the other
hand, he insists that if we get a dog, it must be a large dog (like a
retriever), not a small one.  Not very consistent.  With the experience he's
had, I don't really understand why he'd happily get another retriever but be
unwilling to get a super-large dog like a rottweiler, but there it is.

> They have had such a terrible press-- but it is the dogs themselves who are
> rehabilitating their reputation here in New York, because the more of them
> got into responsible hands, raised and socialized properly, the more people
> realized what great dogs they are.

That's wonderful to hear.  Er, read.

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Magic Mood Jeep? - 05 Mar 2005 03:49 GMT
>>> What is a GSD?
>>
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>
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When DH & I were looking at houses, and were visiting this one, the owners
were not present.  It was us, our 'agent' (actually, our landlord of our
apartment bouilding - he was semi-reitred real estate agent, and helped us
in our house-hunting, at cost, and let us stay in our apartment without a
lease (we paid the rent timely and were some of his best tenants) while we
searched), and the seller's agent.  when we got here, a mastif and a
rotweiler were in the dog run out back.  While we looked around inside, the
rotweiler managed to get loose.  The selling agent was friends with the
homeowners, so I asked her the dog's name (she was trying to climb up the
kitchen counters, she was that afraid of the dog), and she told me.  I went
outside, hollered "Max, get in here!" in a very authoritative voice while
pointing toward the open door.  Max trotted right inside.  Went back to the
utility room.  Sat down and looked at me with the proverbial innocent-puppy
face.  Said rotweiler weiged over 100 pounds.  Selling agent was stunned
that I had commanded the dog back in (so was I, but I didn't let on LOL).
About that time, the owners returned.

At a later meeting with the homowners, same rotweiler let a bodacious fart
during our conversation, then proceeded to look around the room for the
culprit.  Homeowners ignored him and it was all I could do to keep from
busting out laughing at the look on that dog's face when that fart happened.

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Adrian - 05 Mar 2005 18:30 GMT
>> When I was four, I was deathly afraid of a friendly-- even motherly--
>> but very poorly-trained GSD who lived on our block.
>
> What is a GSD?

A German Shepherd Dog, my favourite of all breeds. I loved the K9
movies.
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KellyH - 05 Mar 2005 00:27 GMT
> So do I.  But a funny thing happened.  Since there were so many
> unneutered pit bulls around, pit bull genes became firmly established
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> Nearly every pet dog obtained from shelters in this city is at least
> part pit bull.  I don't believe in breed-specific legislation.

I don't either.  I know there are very well-trained and friendly pit bulls.
It's all in how they are raised.  I hate the idea of someone having to give
up a beloved pet just because of its breed.
I realize my fear of breeds like that is unfounded and based on a few
events, but I can't shake it.  I did make a step though.  I pet a pit bull a
couple weeks ago :)
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Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Mar 2005 00:58 GMT
> I don't either.  I know there are very well-trained and friendly pit bulls.
> It's all in how they are raised.  I hate the idea of someone having to give
> up a beloved pet just because of its breed.  I realize my fear of breeds
> like that is unfounded and based on a few events, but I can't shake it.  I
> did make a step though.  I pet a pit bull a couple weeks ago :)

I don't really think your fear is unfounded; you have good reasons based on
experiences.  We learn by generalizing from our experiences.

Still, I think it's great that you were able to pet one =)

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Mary - 04 Mar 2005 23:21 GMT
>When I was about 5-6 years old, our neighbor had a Doberman.  The dog would
>chase me up the street and our sh*thead neighbor thought that was funny.  He
>would let the dog chase me for a bit and then call him off.

I have to admit, dobermans look evil to me. I have usually
encountered them in city neighborhoods when they were
protecting their turf. Something about the swift and silent
way they run across a yard and THEN start barking and
growling--and their long black leanness and pointy ears
and snouts. They are the switchblades of dogs in my mind.
(No offense intended to anyone who has sweet dobies. It
is just a stereotype in my mind.)
KellyH - 05 Mar 2005 00:33 GMT
> I have to admit, dobermans look evil to me. I have usually
> encountered them in city neighborhoods when they were
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> (No offense intended to anyone who has sweet dobies. It
> is just a stereotype in my mind.)

Same here.  I think it's because they are so sleek and pointy looking, if
that makes sense.
One day, I was at the shelter with a couple other people for a meeting.  It
was early in the morning, and there was a Doberman tied to the fence.  It
was a beautiful specimen of a dog, and had cropped and docked ears and tail,
just like the one that used to chase me.  The poor thing was frightened to
death and shivering in the rain, but I still ran inside like a little girl.
He turned out to be very sweet and was adopted quickly.

I also have an irrational fear of mice, so go figure.  I'm a weird one :)
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Kreisleriana - 05 Mar 2005 00:44 GMT
>> I have to admit, dobermans look evil to me. I have usually
>> encountered them in city neighborhoods when they were
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>death and shivering in the rain, but I still ran inside like a little girl.
>He turned out to be very sweet and was adopted quickly.

The mental image can always be dislodged by other experiences.  My
mental image of Dobies is completely different, because I never knew
one who really acted like his appearance.  The Dobies I know are the
biggest, wimpiest, scarediest, pissy-pants dogs I've ever known.  

There is a breeding Doberman bitch around the corner from me who is
the most GIRLY dog I have ever seen.  She's like a supermodel dog.
Her coat always shines like a mirror, and I swear, she sits on her
porch and poses.    Her best friend is a big white DLH cat, who is
rather tough-looking.  Whenever someone new approaches, Ms. Thing (the
Dobette) runs away, and Rambo the cat inspects. ;)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Mar 2005 00:57 GMT
> The mental image can always be dislodged by other experiences.  My mental
> image of Dobies is completely different, because I never knew one who really
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> someone new approaches, Ms. Thing (the Dobette) runs away, and Rambo the cat
> inspects. ;)

Now you've gone and done it.  I must insist on pictures of Ms. Thing and
Rambo!

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Karen - 05 Mar 2005 01:55 GMT
>>> I have to admit, dobermans look evil to me. I have usually
>>> encountered them in city neighborhoods when they were
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> one who really acted like his appearance.  The Dobies I know are the
> biggest, wimpiest, scarediest, pissy-pants dogs I've ever known.

A dobbie lived behind us when I was young. Very sweet dog. Our 6lb. cat
Kitty Ballou used to terrify him.
Magic Mood Jeep? - 05 Mar 2005 03:54 GMT
>>>> I have to admit, dobermans look evil to me. I have usually
>>>> encountered them in city neighborhoods when they were
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> cat
> Kitty Ballou used to terrify him.

Same with a neighbor's dobie when I was a kid.  Was terrified of the tiniest
kitten.  That's what happens when the first cat a dog ever meets is a tough
ol' Tomcat with a sharp set of claws and a hatred of all things canine.  And
Cinnamon was a HUGE dobie - not those puny things on Magnum PI, but more the
size of a Great Dane.  The look on that dogs face when he came trotting up
to me for some pettins, and I turned around with a 6-8 week old kitten in my
arms....  Sheer terror.  Never seen a dog stop so fast.  If only today's
automobiles had brakes that worked that good.

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Kreisleriana - 05 Mar 2005 20:29 GMT
>>>> I have to admit, dobermans look evil to me. I have usually
>>>> encountered them in city neighborhoods when they were
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>A dobbie lived behind us when I was young. Very sweet dog. Our 6lb. cat
>Kitty Ballou used to terrify him.

They're also susceptible to a form of narcolepsy.  <sigh>

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Mary - 05 Mar 2005 05:12 GMT
> The mental image can always be dislodged by other experiences.  My
> mental image of Dobies is completely different, because I never knew
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> rather tough-looking.  Whenever someone new approaches, Ms. Thing (the
> Dobette) runs away, and Rambo the cat inspects. ;)

What a cute description.
HRFLTiger - 05 Mar 2005 16:54 GMT
> The mental image can always be dislodged by other experiences.  My
> mental image of Dobies is completely different, because I never knew
> one who really acted like his appearance.  The Dobies I know are the
> biggest, wimpiest, scarediest, pissy-pants dogs I've ever known.///

I walk my dog Bonnie with my friend and her Doberman, Vinnie. He's
HUGE, stands something like 36 inches at the shoulder and is around 120
lbs. He is the biggest Dobie I have ever seen. You've never met
anything quite like Vinnie. He is SUCH a soppy wuss - at home he's
pushed around by a tiny little 8lb cat, and when he's out with Bonnie,
my 30lb mutt, she beats him up and keeps stealing his ball. (He lets
her). He's not ear cropped because that's illegal in the UK, and he has
these dopey floppy ears. He's always smiling too.

I think it's like with most dogs. There is no such thing as a nasty
puppy. It's the owners who make them into nasty dogs, and
unfortunately, Dobies have a reputation from a few stupid individuals.

Helen M
Seanette Blaylock - 05 Mar 2005 18:00 GMT
"HRFLTiger" <hm@darktigerproductions.com> had some very interesting
things to say about Re: OT: Greyhounds - Now Dobies:

>I think it's like with most dogs. There is no such thing as a nasty
>puppy. It's the owners who make them into nasty dogs, and
>unfortunately, Dobies have a reputation from a few stupid individuals.

I'd have to disagree that it's ONLY the owners. I've personally
experienced cases of seemingly normal, properly raised puppies
developing aggression problems.

98% or more of the time, you're right. I'm just saying there ARE
exceptions.

My family had a lot of Dobes when I was a kid. Worst problem we had
with ones we'd raised from puppyhood was that they never did
understand when they'd outgrown laps. :-)

I also had a Sheltie who was convinced he was a Dobe (given that he
grew up with them, it was a reasonable enough mistake for him to make
:-). When I brought him home as a two-month-old ball of fuzz, the two
male Dobes we had at that time greeted him by marking him as their
territory. Nearly drowned the poor little guy :-) ).

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Mary - 06 Mar 2005 19:18 GMT
> > The mental image can always be dislodged by other experiences.  My
> > mental image of Dobies is completely different, because I never knew
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> puppy. It's the owners who make them into nasty dogs, and
> unfortunately, Dobies have a reputation from a few stupid individuals.

What a great story, and an excellent point about training puppies
to be nice dogs.
Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Mar 2005 00:48 GMT
>> I have to admit, dobermans look evil to me. I have usually encountered them
>> in city neighborhoods when they were protecting their turf. Something about
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> inside like a little girl.  He turned out to be very sweet and was adopted
> quickly.

I think it was my brother who told me about a Dobie he knew who *hadn't*
gotten his ears cropped.  He said that with floppy ears, they just don't look
vicious at all.

> I also have an irrational fear of mice, so go figure.  I'm a weird one :)

Well, you said it, not me =P

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jmcquown - 05 Mar 2005 13:59 GMT
>>> I have to admit, dobermans look evil to me. I have usually
>>> encountered them in city neighborhoods when they were protecting
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> *hadn't* gotten his ears cropped.  He said that with floppy ears,
> they just don't look vicious at all.

Agreed.  And I don't understand ear-cropping or tail-bobbing.  And I don't
think dogs are bred to be mean, they are taught to be mean.

Jill
Mary - 05 Mar 2005 05:11 GMT
They are the switchblades of dogs in my mind.
> > (No offense intended to anyone who has sweet dobies. It
> > is just a stereotype in my mind.)
>
> Same here.  I think it's because they are so sleek and pointy looking, if
> that makes sense.

Yes it does, and I bet you saw as many in Baltimore as I saw in DC,
that had been trained to be mean.

> One day, I was at the shelter with a couple other people for a meeting.  It
> was early in the morning, and there was a Doberman tied to the fence.  It
> was a beautiful specimen of a dog, and had cropped and docked ears and tail,
> just like the one that used to chase me.  The poor thing was frightened to
> death and shivering in the rain, but I still ran inside like a little girl.
> He turned out to be very sweet and was adopted quickly.

Aww. I think a doberman running toward me, silently like they
do, out on the street, would give me a heart attack.

> I also have an irrational fear of mice, so go figure.  I'm a weird one :)

Well, you'd love the one I found on my dining room floor tonight!
jmcquown - 04 Mar 2005 21:36 GMT
>> Now I have to ask.  Is it any dog that large that you find scary, or
>> is it something about schnauzers in particular?
>
> I have to admit, I am afraid of the big guard dog types; pit bulls,
> dobermans, rottweilers, etc.  Intellectually, I know that they are
> not all trained to kill, but they still scare me.

In 1966 I was in the hospital having my tonsils removed.  The younger little
girl in the next bed cried constantly.  Her entire head was bandaged and she
was obviously in pain.  I was told by a nurse (?) a German Shepherd had
taken her face in his mouth and chomped down, leaving puncture wounds on the
top of her head and under her jaw.  I was 6 so I have no idea what, if
anything, was done about the dog or any of the other circumstances; like
whether the little girl was just trying to pet the dog or teasing it.  But
it made me very afraid of big dogs for a lot of years after that.

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Mar 2005 21:52 GMT
>>> Now I have to ask.  Is it any dog that large that you find scary, or is it
>>> something about schnauzers in particular?
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>
> Jill

While it saddens me to hear of a child afraid of dogs, it's probably much
safer than the kid who has no fear and just runs up to strange dogs and starts
petting.  I have a co-worker who has a very temperamental dog (he was rescued
and was never well socialized); he had the dog in his yard, on a leash, when a
kid runs up and goes, "Can I pet your dog?" while instantly reaching out to
touch.  Only my co-worker's swift control of the leash kept the dog from
biting this unfamiliar creature encroaching on his territory.  He's fine when
approached slowly and respectfully ...

I have to admit, as a kid, I'm sure I was more than a little like that kid in
my story.  I wanted to believe that I had a "special" bond with animals.  My
parents constantly told me not to pet strange dogs without getting permission
from the owner, but I wasn't very good about it.  I was lucky nothing ever
happened to me.

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jmcquown - 04 Mar 2005 22:31 GMT
>>>> Now I have to ask.  Is it any dog that large that you find scary,
>>>> or is it something about schnauzers in particular?
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> much safer than the kid who has no fear and just runs up to strange
> dogs and starts petting.

Agreed.  My Sampson (RB) was a tiny mutt but he did NOT like strangers and
had big teeth!  When I lived in my last apartment and was walking him kids
would run up yelling "A Puppy!"  No, he wasn't a puppy.  I told them so and
that he'd bite; they didn't believe he wasn't a puppy nor that he would
bite, despite the fact that he was snarling at them.  I had to pick Sampson
up and yell at the kids (both of which I hated doing).  But if they aren't
going to listen to the adult owner of the dog nor pay attention to the fact
he was snarling... well heck, what else to do?

 I have a co-worker who has a very
> temperamental dog (he was rescued and was never well socialized); he
> had the dog in his yard, on a leash, when a kid runs up and goes,
> "Can I pet your dog?" while instantly reaching out to touch.  Only my
> co-worker's swift control of the leash kept the dog from biting this
> unfamiliar creature encroaching on his territory.  He's fine when
> approached slowly and respectfully ...

Sampson was with me his entire life but he never got used to strangers and
children moved entirely too fast for him.

Jill

> I have to admit, as a kid, I'm sure I was more than a little like
> that kid in my story.  I wanted to believe that I had a "special"
> bond with animals.  My parents constantly told me not to pet strange
> dogs without getting permission from the owner, but I wasn't very
> good about it.  I was lucky nothing ever happened to me.
Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Mar 2005 22:46 GMT
> Agreed.  My Sampson (RB) was a tiny mutt but he did NOT like strangers and
> had big teeth!  When I lived in my last apartment and was walking him kids
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> going to listen to the adult owner of the dog nor pay attention to the fact
> he was snarling... well heck, what else to do?

Unfortunately, you did what you had to do.  No matter how many times you told
the kids not to touch him, if they did so anyway and he bit them, you and
Sampson would be held responsible; at the very least, he'd get a bite record,
and at worst he would have to be euthanized.

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Mary - 04 Mar 2005 23:23 GMT
> In 1966 I was in the hospital having my tonsils removed.  The younger little
> girl in the next bed cried constantly.  Her entire head was bandaged and she
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> whether the little girl was just trying to pet the dog or teasing it.  But
> it made me very afraid of big dogs for a lot of years after that.

Gosh, that would do it. Poor little girl.
Kreisleriana - 03 Mar 2005 20:24 GMT
>> Stinky?  Depends on the fur, really.  Some dogs have oily fur; it's
>their own
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>:)
>I like to mortify my MIL when I call her dog "stinky",

Yes?

My, people are calling me a lot, today. ;)

Love,
Stinky

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Enfilade - 04 Mar 2005 02:11 GMT
> > Stinky?  Depends on the fur, really.  Some dogs have oily fur; it's
> their own
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>
> Victor

I find all dogs smelly because I'm allergic to them.  The scent really
"gets" to me in a way that other smells don't.

--Fil
Kreisleriana - 04 Mar 2005 13:56 GMT
>> > Stinky?  Depends on the fur, really.  Some dogs have oily fur; it's
>> their own
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>
>--Fil

Dog's *do* have a body odor, especially hounds.   When I was dating
the Former Mr. T, his roommate was dating someone with a Scottish
deerhound.  Caleb was almost four feet tall around the shoulders, and
ridiculously sweet, and almost absolutely silent inside the apartment.
But we always knew when Caleb was visiting  as soon as we stepped
inside.  Hound dog smell.

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Mary - 03 Mar 2005 23:10 GMT
> > I hear you. Here's a list of the animals I'd like to have: dog, ferret,
> > snake, hamster, parrot (US born, of course). Tom is only willing to have a
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> waterproofing, and yeah, it's a bit stinky.  I can always tell when I've been
> petting a lab.  But not all dogs have that.

I love all animals but I find dog smell to be stinky. Dog breath and
wet dog and dirty dog. Ick. Puppy breath, however, is delightful to
me for some reason.
jmcquown - 04 Mar 2005 00:54 GMT
>>> I hear you. Here's a list of the animals I'd like to have: dog,
>>> ferret, snake, hamster, parrot (US born, of course). Tom is only
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> wet dog and dirty dog. Ick. Puppy breath, however, is delightful to
> me for some reason.

Dogs are easier to bathe than cats, though!  :)  My little mutt Sampson (RB)
loved to get scrubbed with baby shampoo, rubbed down with a towel (dog
scritches!) and then adored the blow-dryer.  Keep 'em clean and they don't
stink.  But then, cats just naturally don't stink.

Jill
Mary - 04 Mar 2005 03:06 GMT
"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> wrote :

> > I love all animals but I find dog smell to be stinky. Dog breath and
> > wet dog and dirty dog. Ick. Puppy breath, however, is delightful to
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> scritches!) and then adored the blow-dryer.  Keep 'em clean and they don't
> stink.  But then, cats just naturally don't stink.

I take your point, but I also think a rattlesnake might be easier to bathe
than my cats!!
L. (usenetlyn) - 03 Mar 2005 17:13 GMT
> > So many animals and SO LITTLE TIME!!!!!
>
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> Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov
> Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com

Snakes make great kitty TV!

Get a corn snake.  Docile, pretty, and fun to grow from a baby! :D

-L.
Kreisleriana - 03 Mar 2005 14:25 GMT
>Hi there:
>
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>environment - not an affectionate environment.  You have to teach them to
>walk up stairs!

I know.  This kills me.  They are just darling dogs.  They are very
quiet in the house-- sometime they like to just stay in the crate, or
curl up on the sofa.  I know someone who has a racing rescue-- he is a
huge dog, and I remember how much time she spent walking him around
the neighborhood, taking him in all the shops, and walking him up to
so many people, so he would get over his shyness.

>I would *never* adopt one while my cats were still living and I have made
>Otis promise me that he'll be with me until *at least* he's 22 years old,
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>
>So many animals and SO LITTLE TIME!!!!!

I hear ya. ;)

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badwilson - 03 Mar 2005 14:46 GMT
> Hi there:
>
> I'm embarassed but I'm obsessed with greyhounds.  I'd like to adopt a
> retired racing hound sometime.  They don't stink like other d*gs, are
> totally affectionate and super laid back.  Their fur feels like Otis'
> when you pet them.  They are total couch potatos - like to rip
around
> the yard a few times a day and walk a few times a day - and then
> sleep and cuddle like crazy.
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> though they are socialized with other dogs and humans early and
> constantly in a racing environment - not an affectionate
environment.
> You have to teach them to walk up stairs!
>
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> Otis and Chester
> ... and a heart big enough for *all* the animals in the world

Dennis and I have friends who adopted a retired racing greyhound and
they also had 2 cats which they had since before they got the
greyhound.  Mercury, the greyhound totally got along with the 2 cats,
Mana and Jade.  They always used to cuddle together, it was the cutest
thing and Mercury really doted on the cats.
Unfortunately my friends got divorced and the guy got custody of the
greyhound and the girl got the cats, so I don't think they see each
other anymore.
--
Britta
Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's
covered in fur!
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Jeanne Hedge - 03 Mar 2005 16:10 GMT
>Hi there:
>
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>environment - not an affectionate environment.  You have to teach them to
>walk up stairs!

Animal Planet had an episode of Pet Stories (is that one of their
shows?) about the adoption of racing greyhounds. They showed this one
group that takes the dogs to a sort of half-way house for a few weeks
to learn about stairs and glass doors and windows, and things like
that, and then when the dog is ready makes them available for
adoption. While they're working with the dogs, they also work with
prospective owners about all the things they'll need to know to make
their new family member comfortable.

They also said that many greyhound owners use the term "chipping" in
reference to the fact that people just fall in love with these dogs
and adopt more. "Chipping" = you can't have just one!

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Mary - 03 Mar 2005 17:46 GMT
> Hi there:
>
> I'm embarassed but I'm obsessed with greyhounds.  I'd like to adopt a
> retired racing hound sometime.

They are lovely, and I respect your wish to be cautious before adopting one
due to your cats. Have you seen whippets? They are smaller, and a very
different
breed but they have similarities in looks and the most amazing little
"hoppy"
run. I am in love with boty greyhounds and whippets. Like you, if I ever got
one it would have to be a rescue.
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Mar 2005 18:02 GMT
>> Hi there:
>>
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> little "hoppy" run. I am in love with boty greyhounds and whippets. Like
> you, if I ever got one it would have to be a rescue.

There are also italian greyhounds, which are literally miniature greyhounds.

http://www.italiangreyhound.org/aboutigs/igintro.html

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Enfilade - 04 Mar 2005 02:02 GMT
> >> I'm embarassed but I'm obsessed with greyhounds.  I'd like to adopt a
> >> retired racing hound sometime.

If you're going to get a d*g, that or the shelter is the way to go.

My friend has a Sloughi named Farasha.  See pics:  

http://www.plumed-serpent.com/farasha/farasha.html

--Fil
Susan M - 04 Mar 2005 03:35 GMT
> If you're going to get a d*g, that or the shelter is the way to go.
>
> My friend has a Sloughi named Farasha.  See pics:
>
> http://www.plumed-serpent.com/farasha/farasha.html

That is also a beautiful dog!  I would definitely adopt rather than go to a
breeder.

I am drawn to Oriental cats and greyhounds - hmmmmmmmmm ... sort of a
distinctive look they both share!

Susan M
Otis and Chester
Marina - 03 Mar 2005 20:05 GMT
> So many animals and SO LITTLE TIME!!!!!

As you know, I'm in the same boat, Susan (though I've never wanted any
other animal than cats). Sympathy purrs on the way.

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Cheryl - 04 Mar 2005 01:43 GMT
> As you know, I'm in the same boat, Susan (though I've never
> wanted any other animal than cats). Sympathy purrs on the way.

Marina, I certainly don't want to sway you one way or the other
because you have valid reasons why you shouldn't take in a blue
kitten or two, but could you try it on a "foster" basis to see how
Frank and Nikki would react? I know I didn't think out everything
when I took in Scarlett and Rhett, but I figured I'd work out things
as they come up. I know I lost my mom as a cat sitter because she's
afraid of them getting out and she couldn't control 4, but I don't
plan on traveling this coming up summer, and by next summer they'll
be older and (maybe!!) less wild.

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