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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / March 2005OT More immigrant BS
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=26941 Well, gee, I feel so much safer from terroism now. Yeesh. How much useless money do we spend on crap like this when there are *real* bad guys out there. > http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=26941 > > Well, gee, I feel so much safer from terroism now. Yeesh. How much useless > money do we spend on crap like this when there are *real* bad guys out > there. I dunno ... "Elliott pleaded guilty in June 2001 to aggravated assault stemming from a fight with a friend inside the man's Burlington County, N.J., home in 2000. He was sentenced to one year of probation and ordered to pay $13,900 to cover the victim's medical bills, according to court records. "Elliott beat Alexander Kovakik with a beer bottle, pool cue and wooden stool, according to the grand jury indictment charging the jockey with aggravated assault, possession of a weapon and unlawful possession. The latter two charges were dropped after Elliott agreed to plead guilty. " Wouldn't it be nice if we could deport anyone who'd beat up a friend so badly?  Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=26941 > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Wouldn't it be nice if we could deport anyone who'd beat up a friend so badly? OK, I guess I should preface with "rest of story". This was back when Elliott had a drinking problem. It is the only incident of this kind. Considering the things the immigrant department is *supposed* to be catching (and I guess on top of some really nasty stories that have been substantiated about innocent immigrants being held for the last TWO YEARS without council and with abuses that I have recently heard on NPR) I have no patience for spending money on picking up Canadians who are *legally* here, that have one past event for which they duly paid, never denied, apologized for and got cleaned up afterward. Do you really think that it was necessary to spend the money on this?? > OK, I guess I should preface with "rest of story". This was back when > Elliott had a drinking problem. It is the only incident of this kind. > Considering the things the immigrant department is *supposed* to be catching > (and I guess on top of some really nasty stories that have been > substantiated about innocent immigrants being held for the last TWO YEARS > without council and with abuses that I have recently heard on NPR) Yep. > I have no > patience for spending money on picking up Canadians who are *legally* here, > that have one past event for which they duly paid, never denied, apologized > for and got cleaned up afterward. Do you really think that it was necessary > to spend the money on this?? Especially since similar incidents take place in bar brawls all over the US every day...I suspect the same infraction is prosecuted as a misdemeanor here, if at all, in most cases. -L. > OK, I guess I should preface with "rest of story". This was back when > Elliott had a drinking problem. It is the only incident of this kind. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > for and got cleaned up afterward. Do you really think that it was necessary > to spend the money on this?? Okay, obviously I didn't know the backstory. I agree the situation is silly. I do believe that people can change themselves, but it's hard to imagine someone doing that much damage to someone else. Or to put it otherwise, if we found out on this NG about a person who did $13K of damage to an animal, we wouldn't be saying, "Yes, but he paid the bills and apologized for it." At least, that's not the feeling I get. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > OK, I guess I should preface with "rest of story". This was back when > > Elliott had a drinking problem. It is the only incident of this kind. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > wouldn't be saying, "Yes, but he paid the bills and apologized for it." At > least, that's not the feeling I get. The animal abuse is a separate issue. Sorry but I believe it is different then two grown men fighting in a bar. I've had bar fights break out on top of me while innocently enjoying a beer. Seems to me in general it took two to get there. But that is speculation. I also don't believe it would take much to wrack up 13K. I don't know. All I know is that between the NPR articles I've been hearing regarding Immigration and incidents like this, it is making me exceptionally sad for my country, which is beginning to not feel free or brave at ALL. >> Okay, obviously I didn't know the backstory. I agree the situation >> is silly. I do believe that people can change themselves, but it's [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Immigration and incidents like this, it is making me exceptionally sad > for my country, which is beginning to not feel free or brave at ALL. I agree with you about the current xenophobia. About the fights, I also don't know how much it would take to rack up 13K -- I guess it depends. A facial injury could be pretty expensive. But I think people like to say that "boys will be boys" and tolerate way too much violence. Maybe it's because of my martial arts background; my instructor went out of his way to emphasize that we were not to fight unless we were physically in danger and couldn't run. If it was just about the money, you hand over the money, etc. You never know what weapons an opponent might have in his pockets; you never know if he has buddies; and the best of skill can't beat bad luck. He even dished out a nasty form of corporal punishment for those who broke the rules and fought. Kind of hypocritical, but it did hilight the fact that there is always someone out there who's better than you. And it seemed to work on the rebellious teens. I spent way too much time thinking about all of the things that could go wrong in a fight to particularly want to test the theory. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>> Okay, obviously I didn't know the backstory. I agree the situation >>> is silly. I do believe that people can change themselves, but it's [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I spent way too much time thinking about all of the things that could go wrong > in a fight to particularly want to test the theory. I don't want to test it that's for sure. I don't believe in "boys will be boys" either. That intimates to me of no payment for bad behaviour. But, I do know testosterone in flight is as hard to resist as PMS in us. Possible, but often difficult and sometimes in process before you realize what is going on. If there was a pattern of behaviour, a long laundry list of fighting, that's different too. I know I have been mad enough to want to hit, but don't, like you, want totest out the theory. In *this* particular case, he made his amends. There is a woman coming on a show I listen to tonight who knows the real story, so I will see what is really up. > I don't want to test it that's for sure. I don't believe in "boys will be > boys" either. That intimates to me of no payment for bad behaviour. But, I > do know testosterone in flight is as hard to resist as PMS in us. Possible, > but often difficult and sometimes in process before you realize what is > going on. Hrm. I don't think I've ever known for sure that any of my behavior was PMS-related, and I've always found it inadequate when friends have written off bad behavior as a PMS thing. On the other hand, when I was in high school, my bf's mom was terrifying once a month; she'd get upset about the stupidest thing, shrieking and saying awful things. Then again, the dad was much the same, only he didn't seem to fit a particular pattern. He'd just get mad and start yelling, maybe throw things for variety. God, I'm glad I don't ever have to deal with those people again. I wouldn't be surprised if hormones have different levels of effect on different people. I just switched from depo to the pill, and I think I have leftover depo hormones still floating around; whatever the reason, I find myself getting weepy at sappy commercials. I was bawling at the end of "Shall We Dance", watching it on the plane! Bleh. > If there was a pattern of behaviour, a long laundry list of > fighting, that's different too. I know I have been mad enough to want to > hit, but don't, like you, want totest out the theory. In *this* particular > case, he made his amends. There is a woman coming on a show I listen to > tonight who knows the real story, so I will see what is really up. *nod* In my case, I think that learning martial arts actually reigned in my tendency to hit. As a preteen and early teenager, I would tend to "jokingly" hit people when I was annoyed. I remember someone betting me I couldn't go some amount of time without hitting someone; sure enough, I punched someone in the shoulder only a few minutes later. I think I might have done it in part because I figured I couldn't hurt anyone; once I began training, I realized I *could* hurt someone, so I no longer pulled that sort of BS. Good thing, too; I'm sure I would have gotten my butt handed to me, eventually. Regardless, this guy you're talking about doesn't sound like much of a terrorist, and isn't that in theory what all this tightened security is supposed to be about? Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> I don't want to test it that's for sure. I don't believe in "boys will be >> boys" either. That intimates to me of no payment for bad behaviour. But, I [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > myself getting weepy at sappy commercials. I was bawling at the end of "Shall > We Dance", watching it on the plane! Bleh. I used to laugh off hormones too. Until I got into my late 20s and guess what first tipped me off? Sappy commercials. I would get weepy over that Folger's commercial where the boy comes home from college as a surprise for Christmas and makes his folks coffee to wake them up. And Hallmark commercial? Fuggedaboutit. I was full tears. Wha? Huh? Then it would dawn on me just what time of the month it was. Just be glad that's all that happens with us. >> If there was a pattern of behaviour, a long laundry list of >> fighting, that's different too. I know I have been mad enough to want to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > terrorist, and isn't that in theory what all this tightened security is > supposed to be about? One supposes. However, there is actually a *Homeland Security* spokesperson quoted in the releases. Didn't learn much more tonight than that they intend to find out just why Homeland Security is making press releases on 110 lb. Canadian jockeys when there are real bad guys out there. He wasn't arrested as the articles state but detained and in PA they apparently only have a room at a county jail for foreign detainees and he was released by 5 pm. It all just seems SO stupid. >> http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=26941 >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Wouldn't it be nice if we could deport anyone who'd beat up a friend so badly? Deport them where? Canada? :P You want to choose which innocent population you'd like to foist this guy on? Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>Wouldn't it be nice if we could deport anyone who'd beat up a friend so >>badly? > > Deport them where? Canada? :P You want to choose which innocent population > you'd like to foist this guy on? Yup, there's the rub. I was tongue-in-cheekishly thinking it's too bad there's no place that we could simply ship off criminals, as Australia used to be a dumping ground. (Of course I don't think that Australia is full of criminals now, and as I understand it many/most of the "criminals" shipped off to Australia back in the day weren't really bad people.) I must not be the only person who's had that thought; there are a number of sci fi movies about penal colonies on other planets. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>>Wouldn't it be nice if we could deport anyone who'd beat up a friend so >>>badly? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Yup, there's the rub. S'OK-- I think this is probably a pretty common reflex thought. ;) Many years ago, our then-mayor, Edward Koch, was kind of a loose cannon with his mouth, and he said something about shipping criminals "off to the Yukon." He and the newspapers immediately got letters from the Canadian consulate saying things like, "Um, er, well, the Yukon actually belongs to us." ;) > I was tongue-in-cheekishly thinking it's too bad >there's no place that we could simply ship off criminals, as Australia used to >be a dumping ground. (Of course I don't think that Australia is full of >criminals now, and as I understand it many/most of the "criminals" shipped off >to Australia back in the day weren't really bad people.) Just Irish. :P >I must not be the only person who's had that thought; there are a number of >sci fi movies about penal colonies on other planets. LOL. "SS Botany Bay" Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >> I was tongue-in-cheekishly thinking it's too bad >>there's no place that we could simply ship off criminals, as Australia used [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Just Irish. :P I actually have a tape from an Irish folk music band I heard in college. One of the songs is about being sent off to Australia, I believe. It's actually from the perspective of someone who's already been sent off, remembering all of the men who died on the ship, the horrible conditions, and missing his wife. I don't know if someone in the band wrote it or if it's an old song. Very touching. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >>> I was tongue-in-cheekishly thinking it's too bad >>>there's no place that we could simply ship off criminals, as Australia used [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >wife. I don't know if someone in the band wrote it or if it's an old song. >Very touching. There are a few of those. The most famous one is "There was a wild colonial boy" The definitive book about the convict experience, and the settling of New South Wales is "The Fatal Shore" by Robert Hughes. I remember when it came out, there was a segment of Australians who just did not want to be reminded of where they come from. My former MIL was visting a friend of hers in Adelaide, a very genteel elderly lady (there were a lot of those in Adelaide, IIRC ;), and MIL was carrying the book. Her friend said "<gasp> I would NEVER read that TERRIBLE book!" ;) Peter Carey's novel "The True History of the Kelly Gang" is also very involved with the troubled lives and the anger of the Irish in Australia. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com I've got friends of mine in England who say that the police there regularly search businessmen, but don't interfere with Muslims. Hmm. SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=26941 Well, gee, I feel so much safer from terroism now. Yeesh. How much useless money do we spend on crap like this when there are *real* bad guys out there. > I've got friends of mine in England who say that the police there > regularly search businessmen, but don't interfere with Muslims. Hmm. In my travels last year with John (my LLL LOL) I witnessed a number of people being separated from the other passengers who were about to go through the metal detector. In every instance, they were dressed in traditional Indian garb (the women were wearing sari's with the traditional Hindu bindi on their foreheads). They took it as a matter of course but I have to wonder if I really upsets them. You can't tell a person's religion by how they dress or the colour of their skin. For all those security people know, my white-bread self could be a practicing Muslim. Jill >I've got friends of mine in England who say that the police there regularly >search businessmen, but don't interfere with Muslims. Hmm. Sounds about right to me. :P Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >I've got friends of mine in England who say that the police there regularly > >search businessmen, but don't interfere with Muslims. Hmm. > > Sounds about right to me. :P I am in the UK and we've just had a government minister admit that with things as they are ordinary Muslim's will have to accept they are more likely to be stopped by the police etc etc See http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/story.jsp?story=616329 Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
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