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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / February 2005Animal Cops - Abuse Warning
I know, I shouldn't watch this show - we just talked about this. Just saw a show where a 14-year-old tied a cat with rope and dragged it behind his bike, then doused the cat with lighter fluid and set her on fire! The poor cat was so badly burned that her ears were gone! She recovered and was adopted, and the little sweetie is still playful, loving, and trusting with her new slave and her kids!!!! What happened to the 14-year-old? He has to go to anger management counseling! I need to go throw up now! People make me sick! And for gawd's sake *WHEN* are we going to get some tougher laws regarding animal cruelty and enforcement of those laws? Hugs, CatNipped > I know, I shouldn't watch this show - we just talked about this. > Just saw a show where a 14-year-old tied a cat with rope and (snip) can't stand reading this! > What happened to the 14-year-old? He has to go to anger management > counseling! At age 14, that "child" should know better. That child is showing tendencies towards becoming a serial or spree killer. Total disregard for an animal to feel pain is one of the first signs. "Anger management" is IMHO a cop-out. So this sullen kid will sit with a counselor, or maybe in a group setting, and do what? Nothing. And for gawd's sake > *WHEN* are we going to get some tougher laws regarding animal cruelty > and enforcement of those laws? > > Hugs, > > CatNipped Sadly, a lot of people don't think of animals as caring, loving, living beings. I suppose the laws in some places are getting more strict or at least the courts are enforcing them more, but sadly, not enough or not strictly enough. Jill [[> What happened to the 14-year-old? He has to go to anger management > counseling! At age 14, that "child" should know better. That child is showing tendencies towards becoming a serial or spree killer. Total disregard for an animal to feel pain is one of the first signs. "Anger management" is IMHO a cop-out. So this sullen kid will sit with a counselor, or maybe in a group setting, and do what? Nothing. ]] My pity goes out to the kid's parents (and, of course, the cat, the totally innocent party in all this). If that were my kid, first of all I'd be enraged at him for harming any animal, let alone the family cat. Because I LOVE my cats, if I had a child I'd love the child, and I can't think of much worse of a situation to face than to have a loved family member do harm to a loved pet. BUT... if that were my kid, I'd check him into a hospital so fast, his head would spin. That kid needs MAJOR psychological help, if there's to be any hope that he will stop causing harm to animals. Not to mention, if there's to be any hope of preventing him from "graduating" to harming humans. What a horrid, horrid situation. :o( That family HAS no happy ending or easy answer. And if they're wise, they won't have PETS, either, until this situation gets resolved. Donna > [[> What happened to the 14-year-old? He has to go to anger management >> counseling! [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Donna I don't know anything about this situation, but it's possible that the parents are also abusive -- a cycle of violence. I would like to think that he has loving, concerned parents who would follow through on counseling, but I know that many of these cases actually follow a pattern of violence (with parents who "could care less" about animal abuse). MaryL >>[[> What happened to the 14-year-old? He has to go to anger management >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > MaryL Sad but very true. Anyone in social work would agree. > I don't know anything about this situation, but it's possible > that the parents are also abusive -- a cycle of violence. I > would like to think that he has loving, concerned parents who > would follow through on counseling, but I know that many of > these cases actually follow a pattern of violence (with parents > who "could care less" about animal abuse). I tried not to read this thread because I don't typically when there is an abuse warning, but I thought the same thing. What went on in his childhood? Something led him to abusing animals. :(  SignatureCheryl >>I don't know anything about this situation, but it's possible >>that the parents are also abusive -- a cycle of violence. I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > is an abuse warning, but I thought the same thing. What went on in > his childhood? Something led him to abusing animals. :( Sometimes it is not the parent. Sometimes there is a medical reason for a child acting like this and no matter what the parent does, the medical and counseling system will not help. We went through this with our oldest child, Jason. No one would listen to us and told us that as long as he was only a threat to our family, they couldn't do anything about him. Sadly, he went too far. We have not seen him since he went into a residential treatment program when he was 14. The psychological diagnoses was that he was a paranoid schizophrenic with antisocial and narcissistic tendencies. We'd been trying to get help for him since he was three. Pam S. > Sometimes it is not the parent. Sometimes there is a medical reason for > a child acting like this and no matter what the parent does, the medical [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pam S. {{{{{{{{{{Pam}}}}}}}}}} You've had way more than your share of travails in this life haven't you sweetie. Yet you still keep your sense of humor and manage to soldier on - I'm in awe! Hugs, CatNipped > Sometimes it is not the parent. Sometimes there is a medical > reason for a child acting like this and no matter what the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > narcissistic tendencies. We'd been trying to get help for him > since he was three. Whoa, Pam, I'm so sorry. I tend to be cynical, and I'm not sure where that comes from, and I think its only recent. An example: The other day my mom called me, and she was talking about a Dr Phil show (which was weird; since she's been retired, I've never heard her talk about a daytime TV show) and there was a child (well, adult technically, he was 19) who had been abusing young girls, and then his own sister. His father (according to my mom's telling) didn't believe any of this, and was outraged, but after the Dr Phil story, the boy/man is getting the help he needs. My thoughts kept going to what happened in his childhood, and doubted the father and his tellings. My mom argued that she believed the father. I always feel like I am offending you with things I "say". I do not mean to. I get the feeling that you have had a rough time with more than I know about, and what I know is a lot more than I can conceive. Granted, I've only been here a few years, and not everything is [in] black and white. I also feel that you're stronger than I can even imagine ever being. You're a strong woman, Pam S. If I could reach over the wire and give you a hug, it would be a tight one. SignatureCheryl > I always feel like I am offending you with things I "say". I do not > mean to. I get the feeling that you have had a rough time with more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You're a strong woman, Pam S. If I could reach over the wire and > give you a hug, it would be a tight one. Cheryl, you have never offended me. In this case, I am a little prickly, because some of my family claimed that I "gave" or "made" Jason into a paranoid schizophrenic. I don't talk about him as a rule because it is a painful subject, but I think that it needed to be brought up in order to point out that in a few cases the parents aren't to blame. Yeah, I have been through the wars, but so many people have been through so much more than I have, so how can I complain? I don't think there's some particular virtue about surviving, I just did it. Humor is my shield for the bad stuff, and I use it for the good as well. What can I say, no one really "likes" a tragedy queen. Pam S. who'd rather laugh then cry any day > Cheryl, you have never offended me. In this case, I am a little > prickly, because some of my family claimed that I "gave" or "made" Jason > into a paranoid schizophrenic. Oh my! Did you explain that this is a *physical* problem that can often be controlled with medication (the problem is getting patients to *stay* on the medication because they start feeling *SO* much better that they think they don't need it anymore and then they get sick again). > I don't talk about him as a rule because > it is a painful subject, but I think that it needed to be brought up in > order to point out that in a few cases the parents aren't to blame. Not referring to you but to me, often even when the parents *are* to blame it's only because they're handed things they don't know how to deal with. Babies, unlike VCRs, don't come with instruction manuals. It took going to counseling and parenting classes before I learned how to handle my 12-year-old who had severe behavioral problems. Though nothing as bad as what you had to handle, still ADHD combined with a 156 IQ and a *horrible* public school system was bad enough!! My son was always *too* sensitive when it came to animals and suffered a terrible setback when some @$$hole in the neighborhood poisoned his cat (Monkey Cat RB 1984). To make it worse, Monkey Cat crawled up onto my son's bed to die and that's where Mark found him. [The guy who did it admitted it to me but the sheriff's office said all we could do was sue him in civil court for the cost of the cat!!! That's the incident that made me decide to have indoor only cats since then.] > Yeah, I have been through the wars, but so many people have been through > so much more than I have, so how can I complain? I don't think there's > some particular virtue about surviving, I just did it. Humor is my > shield for the bad stuff, and I use it for the good as well. What can I > say, no one really "likes" a tragedy queen. Me too. The motto I live by is "Bad things are going to happen to you and you can either cry about them or laugh about them - neither reaction will change the bad thing that happened, but it's so much more fun to laugh and your nose doesn't get red!" Hugs, CatNipped > Pam S. who'd rather laugh then cry any day >>Cheryl, you have never offended me. In this case, I am a little >>prickly, because some of my family claimed that I "gave" or "made" Jason [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > medication because they start feeling *SO* much better that they think they > don't need it anymore and then they get sick again). There's a reason that she's called my idiot sister. After she found out about this, she contacted all my brothers and sisters and tried to get them to help her take Mike and Mandy away from me. Then she had her daughter contact Rob's father and ask him to help put me into an insane asylum and give her Mike and Mandy to raise. The daughter happened to get hold of Rob by accident (he answered and she asked for Mr. Shirk), which is lucky for her as Rob's dad was really upset that they'd even think of doing this to me, let alone trying to get him to help. Pam S. airing her dirty linens > >>Cheryl, you have never offended me. In this case, I am a little > >>prickly, because some of my family claimed that I "gave" or "made" Jason [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > which is lucky for her as Rob's dad was really upset that they'd even > think of doing this to me, let alone trying to get him to help. Purrs. We're very grateful that you are *nothing* like your idiot sister. Such thing make me wonder whether there is any truth in genetics at all. I wonder the same thing about Joel and *his* idiot sister (who doesn't even come close to your sister, but is still so un-Joel like I wonder how the two could have come out of the same womb) Yowie > Yeah, I have been through the wars, but so many people have been > through so much more than I have, so how can I complain? I > don't think there's some particular virtue about surviving, I > just did it. Humor is my shield for the bad stuff, and I use it > for the good as well. What can I say, no one really "likes" a > tragedy queen. Of course there is virtue in the ability to survive tragedy. No, not just survive, but to keep a good attitude, and to still be nurturing to those who still depend on you, and most of all, to still live your life in the way it was meant to be lived, regardless of what happens along the way. I'm going to say something that may make me sound like a "tragedy queen" but I'm not sure that if I had other children that still needed me to be a good role model/mother, that I'd have the ability to be one. Sometimes I think I'm always going to be a "tradegy queen". I can't imagine right now that there isn't going to be a time that I won't say "if my son hadn't died, I'd be a different person right now". Do I need therapy? Hell yes. Will I get it? Getting closer. What's stopping me? Me. f.cking pride. Fear of awakening. SignatureCheryl > Of course there is virtue in the ability to survive tragedy. No, > not just survive, but to keep a good attitude, and to still be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > sure that if I had other children that still needed me to be a good > role model/mother, that I'd have the ability to be one. Have never thought of you as a tragedy queen, Cheryl. You went through the worst hell any mother can face. Of course there were times that everything reminded you of Eric. But you didn't weep and moan constantly, you didn't relate everything to you and your loss, and, above all, you didn't demand that we give you our pity. We gave (and give) our sympathy, but you never demanded it, and would have been totally upset had anyone said "I pity you." As for continuing for the kids... I ended up in major therapy and on prescription drugs after Jason was taken to the treatment center. I was fortunate that Rob was there for them, as I couldn't be. I was a wreck. I walked through that valley, just as you are walking through your valley right now. You'll make it, in fact you already are making it. If you don't believe me, google your posts from then and now. You're an awesome woman and I'm proud to know you. Pam S. wishing I could make a joke for this one, but can't >> Of course there is virtue in the ability to survive tragedy. >> No, not just survive, but to keep a good attitude, and to still [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Pam S. wishing I could make a joke for this one, but can't I need a joke. I wish there was at least something to make me laugh right now! I go through spurts. I am glad Rob was there for you through everything. And you are there for him. You know what? I sort of cling to you, if you haven't figured that out yet. You've been through so much and I watch for your posts. For a giggle. For a bit of strength. Yours, and a few others here. You guys give me strength. You saying that you walked the path the some honestly could not and come out the other side the witty, caring, emotional and probably very hurting woman on the other side and still going through it gives me strength. Seriously. Pam, I miss Eric so much and it doesn't get better. It doesn't. Something reminds me of him and I just cry. Hard. I have pictures of him all over my house and sometimes I want to take them down. Then I want to put up more pictures. My foyer is full of pictures of him from babyhood to his senior year in HS when I had the last real pic. After that it's all snapshots. I am rambling and I can't write anymore. Thanks for listening. (((hugs))) SignatureCheryl ...I can't write anymore. Thanks for > listening. (((hugs))) > Cheryl Major hugs to both Cheryl and Pam, two of my all-time favorite people. Annie > ...I can't write anymore. Thanks for >> listening. (((hugs))) >> Cheryl > > Major hugs to both Cheryl and Pam, two of my all-time favorite > people. Annie Thank you Annie. SignatureCheryl >>...I can't write anymore. Thanks for >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thank you Annie. Ditto Pam S. > >> Of course there is virtue in the ability to survive tragedy. > >> No, not just survive, but to keep a good attitude, and to still [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > snapshots. I am rambling and I can't write anymore. Thanks for > listening. (((hugs))) Just sticking my nose in.... In my depressed moments, I imagine life without Cary and realise that if I lost him, the bottom of my world would fall out, indeed, my whole world would be lost. And then I see you and know that you've gone through it, have lived - are living - the nightmare. And yet, you are here. You can and do share a joke. You can and do support others. You can and do continue to love others and allow them to love you. You can and do go on living, and while I can well imagine you'd trade it all in for a second more with Eric, because thats how I feel about Cary, you, and Grace, and Lois, and Jean, and Pam, and all those who have lost a child and have had to get on in a world with the bottom fallen out of it, are a great inspiration to us all. I'm sorry if that sounds clumsy, or it hurt, it didn't mean to. I don't want to hurt you or the others, and feel kinda awkward talking about my own child when I know you've lost yours (I could rabbit on for hours about that little guy). Still, I know that whatever I imagine couldn't even beging to approach the horror of the actuality, and in that way I know that you've all got to be exceptionally strong people to pick up and get going with life again after that, and you have my admiration and support all the way. You guys get a big WOW from me that you can carry on in *any* way, and that you do so in such a strong, posotive and constructive way makes me go WOW even more. Truly Heroes you are. Yowie > Just sticking my nose in.... In my depressed moments, I imagine > life without Cary and realise that if I lost him, the bottom of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > talking about my own child when I know you've lost yours (I > could rabbit on for hours about that little guy). Your message wasn't clumsy and it didn't hurt, and I think that is what is meant by "it gets better". Not that *it* gets better, but more how I react to talking about what happened with other people. I actually love reading about Cary, and the kids and grandkids of everyone in this group. I have neices and nephews and I stay involved in their lives. :) So please don't feel inhibited on my account! :) I loved seeing his pics, too, all 300 of them!! <g> I wish digital cameras were around back when Eric was growing up. I'd have filled several hard drives. :) Still, I know > that whatever I imagine couldn't even beging to approach the > horror of the actuality, and in that way I know that you've all [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > posotive and constructive way makes me go WOW even more. Truly > Heroes you are. Naaaaa. There aren't a whole lot of choices, for real. But I don't mind being called strong, or positive because it helps reinforce that I need to stay that way. Thank you for your lovely message. It really means a lot to me. SignatureCheryl <snip> > Of course there is virtue in the ability to survive tragedy. No, > not just survive, but to keep a good attitude, and to still be [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > Cheryl Cheryl, you *never* get over a loss like that. Never. Yes, you go on because you have to, you cope, you hopefully learn to deal with day-to-day life again. But life will never be the same. Your grief doesn't get better - it just gets "different". Sure you'd be a different person - one does not go through that kind of loss unscarred. People who haven't suffered tragic loss don't understand it - how could they? They haven't lived it. hugs, -L. Tanada <tanada@nospamearthlink.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Animal Cops - Abuse Warning: >Yeah, I have been through the wars, but so many people have been through >so much more than I have, so how can I complain? I don't think there's >some particular virtue about surviving, I just did it. Humor is my >shield for the bad stuff, and I use it for the good as well. What can I >say, no one really "likes" a tragedy queen. >Pam S. who'd rather laugh then cry any day I'm like that myself. Humor is an essential survival tool. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL >>>I don't know anything about this situation, but it's possible >>>that the parents are also abusive -- a cycle of violence. I [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Pam S. Pam, I'm so sorry. That is a terrible ordeal for a parent (or any loving relative). My father's sister was schizophrenic, and I am well aware that a family does not "cause" this illness -- and resources that are needed are sadly lacking (just as you have described). MaryL > >>>I don't know anything about this situation, but it's possible > >>>that the parents are also abusive -- a cycle of violence. I [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > family does not "cause" this illness -- and resources that are needed are > sadly lacking (just as you have described). Joel's brother is schizophrenic. Because he's over 18 and can therefore do what he wants (including thinking he's God and/or Satan (he wavers)) and that when he does get violent we don't want to press charges because we want him in a psych ward to get better rather than go to prison where he'd only get worse means that the only way we can get him the help he needs when he's having a psychotic episode is to lie through our teeth about what he's done. We've even been told by the mental health people exactly what to say to the police to get him taken to the hospital rather than lockup when he's truly flipped out as no-one else will come and take him away and he certainly won't go to the hospital on his own volitiion.. The truly hard and heartbreaking aspect is that he still doesn't accept that he has schizophrenia (he thinks it was just a bit of bad acid) and that when he's on his way to a psycotic episode, one of the first symptoms of the mania is when he starts feelign really positive about life, himself and the owrld, feels energetic and enthusiastic and starts doing truly postive and healthy things. Try explaining to an over worked clinician that he's *not* getting "better" when suddenly starts getting up at 7am, going for a run, showers, shaves, irons his clothes, puts his good clothes on and starts sending out job applications but he's actually in the first stages of psychosis (he's usually the lazy slob who doens't get out of bed to 11, shleps around the house and is happy to live off welfare) and people think *you* are the nutty one. The mental health system is *insane* and its an uphill battle on both sides to get Joel's brother the help he needs. No wonder so many people with mental health issues end up falling between the cracks. Yowie <snip> > The mental health system is *insane* and its an uphill battle on both sides > to get Joel's brother the help he needs. No wonder so many people with > mental health issues end up falling between the cracks. We had two tragic cases a couple of years ago - one involvine someone with schizophrenia and the other someone with depression. The investigation recommended more community support, just like they did the last time there was a tragedy involving someone who was mentally ill, and probably like they will the next time. There are some small signs of progress here. They opened a short-term care facility. Ideally, it will take people in crisis so they won't need to try to go through the regular ER or the police lockup. It won't do a thing of course for people in rural areas, like that poor fellow who'd come to town to get stabilized, go home, do OK if there was a court-ordered supervised medication, but the court order would run out, there'd be another crisis, another hospitalization, another release, this time the judge wouldn't order medication...and the cycle countinued until he was killed. Mental illness has come out of the closet a little, but there is so far to go, and most people don't realize how hard it can be to live with, for the sick person and for his or her family. Purrs for all of you. SignatureCheryl [...] > The mental health system is *insane* and its an uphill battle on both sides > to get Joel's brother the help he needs. No wonder so many people with > mental health issues end up falling between the cracks. > > Yowie This has been true in my experience too. My friend's son is 24, schizophrenic and dangerous, yet she has to go before the board at Dix here in Raleigh and fight to keep him there where he can get the help he needs and where they will be sure he gets his medicine. Like many of the mentally ill he is very very bright and good at conning the powers that be. Then he gets out and nearly hurts someone. It is just sad, added to the heartbreak of having a seriously ill child. State hospitals are between a rock and a hard place, too, pressured to release patients too soon, because they need the beds. > [...] >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > between a rock and a hard place, too, pressured to release patients too > soon, because they need the beds. And when patients like these are released and commit serious crimes, they are usually found "mentally competent" to stand trial and serve prisons sentences (or event he death penalty). On the other hand, I can remember back to the 1950s, when it was extremely easy for a family member to have someone committed to a "mental institution." People were often held for the rest of their lives with little or no treatment, even when they did not pose a threat to themselves or anyone else. In fact, people were often institutionalized and called "insane" for reasons such as retardation. Laws changed, partly because of true abuses of individual rights and partly for monetary reasons (dropping the cost from state and local budgets). The pendulum has swung, and both extremes are very bad -- for the patient, the family and society. MaryL <snip> > The pendulum has swung, and both extremes are very bad -- for the patient, > the family and society. Yes, and there are a people who are no danger to themselves or anyone lese - the mentally retarded would often be an example - who are often no longer institutionalized, and it can be impossible to find suitable sheltered housing for them. On their own, they are very much at risk for abuse and manipulation, and some of them have outlived parents or caregivers or never had them to begin with. Humans seem to always run their societies according to pendulum swings of opinions. I've noticed it in lots of things. SignatureCheryl > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Humans seem to always run their societies according to pendulum swings of > opinions. I've noticed it in lots of things. Yes indeed--but I think this is particularly true of American society. We can achieve anything but moderation. > And when patients like these are released and commit serious crimes, they > are usually found "mentally competent" to stand trial and serve prisons > sentences (or event he death penalty). It is a horrible, vicious cycle. > On the other hand, I can remember back to the 1950s, when it was extremely > easy for a family member to have someone committed to a "mental [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > true abuses of individual rights and partly for monetary reasons (dropping > the cost from state and local budgets). This was also the time when women suffering from post partum depression (and others, too) were routinely given electroshock "therapy" that sometimes took away all of their initiative along with their discontent. I suppose there are things we can be happy about, with regard to the progress made in the treatment of the mentally ill, and the mentally disabled, too, looking back. > The pendulum has swung, and both extremes are very bad -- for the patient, > the family and society. And the best question of all: why must we always go to extremes? I have friends from other countries who listen to my complaints about various American institutions and kindly say "But you are a young country." And I know it isn't just the US. And yes, I do love the US. We just don't always agree with the things those we love are doing! ;) ---------------------<snip>---------------------- >And the best question of all: why must we always go to extremes? I have >friends from other countries who listen to my complaints about various >American institutions and kindly say "But you are a young country." And >I know it isn't just the US. And yes, I do love the US. We just don't >always agree with the things those we love are doing! ;) ---------------------<snip>---------------------- I have my problems with US American institutions, which I won't go into here, but I'd like to add a note to what Mary said. It's true that we are a young country, but relative to the rest of the world, we are a very old government. Look at a map of the earth, and you will see whole continents that have changed their numerous governments -- many several times -- since the USA was founded. Regards and Purrs, O J > ---------------------<snip>---------------------- > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Regards and Purrs, > O J A really good point. The first friend who said this to me is French and pointed out that when France was 200 years old they were lopping one another's heads off with swords if the stew was cold. :) >>> I don't know anything about this situation, but it's possible >>> that the parents are also abusive -- a cycle of violence. I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > a child acting like this and no matter what the parent does, the medical > and counseling system will not help. YES! I have a sister with a child who is ill. She is not at fault, all the doctors agree. Her husband has mental illness--dissociative disease--in his family. It is not his fault either. We went through this with our > oldest child, Jason. No one would listen to us and told us that as long > as he was only a threat to our family, they couldn't do anything about [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Pam S. I am so sorry you had to go through this. My sister's son is in Shepherd Pratt in Maryland, and has been since he was 12. She has been blamed by her inlaws for his illness--it had to be something she did. It just breaks my heart as I saw what a wonderful mother she was. > Sadly, a lot of people don't think of animals as caring, loving, living > beings. According to veterinarian Alan Schoen (authour of "Kindred Spirits"), even as late as the mid-1960's, when he was in veterinarly school, most of his instructors taught that "animals don't feel pain the way we do"! People's attitudes toward the "lower" animlas have changed a great deal (for the better) in the past fifty years. >> Sadly, a lot of people don't think of animals as caring, loving, >> living beings. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > toward the "lower" animlas have changed a great deal (for > the better) in the past fifty years. They have changed for the better, but they haven't changed enough. :-( SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. > I know, I shouldn't watch this show - we just talked about this. Just saw a > show where a 14-year-old tied a cat with rope and dragged it behind his [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > are we going to get some tougher laws regarding animal cruelty and > enforcement of those laws? Look on the bright side: At least thre ARE laws, now (most places). There WAS a time when whatever people chose to do to their animals (or kids) had no legal repercussions, unless they tried it with other people's "property"! (And then if it was "only an animal", all the owner could do was take the culprit to civil court and sue him/her.) > Hugs, > > CatNipped > > I know, I shouldn't watch this show - we just talked about this. Just saw a > > show where a 14-year-old tied a cat with rope and dragged it behind his [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > then if it was "only an animal", all the owner could do was > take the culprit to civil court and sue him/her.) Child protction laws actually grew out of the animal welfare laws. There was a time in America where it was a crime to beat your horse, but not a crime to beat your child. -L. > Child protction laws actually grew out of the animal welfare laws. > There was a time in America where it was a crime to beat your horse, > but not a crime to beat your child. > > -L. And it wasn't that long ago either. Pam S. > I know, I shouldn't watch this show - we just talked about this. Just saw a > show where a 14-year-old tied a cat with rope and dragged it behind his > bike, then doused the cat with lighter fluid and set her on fire! I'm glad the kitty got a new loving home. The child should have been banned from interacting with animals as well. Animal abuse is one of three percursers to serial murder - the other two being bedwetting and firestarting. Something like 70% of all serial murderers exhibited all three behaviors as a child. (I have the actual stat/reference somewhere if anyone would like me to look it up.) -L. > I know, I shouldn't watch this show - we just talked about this. > Just saw a show where a 14-year-old tied a cat with rope and dragged [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > CatNipped IMO the 14-year-old should have been neautered. :-( SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.
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