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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / March 2005Wine (no no no, not whine) Advice wanted
I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't touch the stuff. However Mike and James like wine. They prefer sweet red wines. I hate wine. It hated me. Any alcohol made out of fruit hated me. So I need help steering them to decently priced sweet red wines. Any suggestions? Pam S. who'd rather not buy the stuff and then have to toss it out or get blamed for their mistakes > I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't touch > the stuff. However Mike and James like wine. They prefer sweet red [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Pam S. who'd rather not buy the stuff and then have to toss it out or > get blamed for their mistakes Lambrusco. Its red, has the sugar content of a soda pop and gets you very very drunk very very quickly. I don't remember I concert I went to, thanks to Lambrusco. Yowie >> I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't touch >> the stuff. However Mike and James like wine. They prefer sweet red [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Yowie Your Lambrusco must be very different from ours then! It has a lowish alcohol content, around 7%, and isn't really considered to be wine at all. I would need lots of bottles to be even the tiniest bit tipsy. So, what's *your* Lambrusco like? Tweed > I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't > touch the stuff. However Mike and James like wine. They prefer > sweet red wines. I hate wine. It hated me. Any alcohol made out of > fruit hated me. So I need help steering them to decently priced > sweet red wines. Any suggestions? > > Pam S. who'd rather not buy the stuff and then have to toss it out or > get blamed for their mistakes Shudder. Sweet and red shouldln't be mentioned in the same sentence together when talking about wines. Ah well, they're still young ;-) I have no advice about sweet red wines, but maybe they'd like a nice port? -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album >> I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't >> touch the stuff. However Mike and James like wine. They prefer [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Check out pictures of Vino at: > http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album Sangria maybe? >>I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't >>touch the stuff. However Mike and James like wine. They prefer [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I have no advice about sweet red wines, but maybe they'd like a nice > port? Or sweet sherry comes to mind. <shudder> ;o)  SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > Shudder. Sweet and red shouldln't be mentioned in the same sentence > together when talking about wines. Ah well, they're still young ;-) > I have no advice about sweet red wines, but maybe they'd like a nice > port? Thank heavens! I thought it might be just me who shuddered when reading of sweet red wine :-) Cheers, helen s >> Shudder. Sweet and red shouldln't be mentioned in the same sentence >> together when talking about wines. Ah well, they're still young ;-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cheers, helen s No. You are not alone. >> Shudder. Sweet and red shouldln't be mentioned in the same sentence >> together when talking about wines. Ah well, they're still young ;-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Cheers, helen s Oh, I agree absolutely! Shudder! Elisabet >I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't touch the >stuff. However Mike and James like wine. They prefer sweet red wines. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Pam S. who'd rather not buy the stuff and then have to toss it out or get > blamed for their mistakes As Yowie and Britta already indicated, it is unlikely anyone who likes sweet red wine much cares what they drink. Sangria maybe, or I think Paisano is fairly sweet too. Cold Duck for a treat. (Not that I didn't drink my share of it once upon a time) Jo >I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't touch the >stuff. However Mike and James like wine. They prefer sweet red wines. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Pam S. who'd rather not buy the stuff and then have to toss it out or get > blamed for their mistakes Sorry, I don't drink alcohol. I think my body must manufacture that stuff that they give to alcoholics that makes them sick when they drink (my ex was prescribed that, but the first time he took one of the pills and then drank and then got sick, he quit taking the pills!!). Even the smell of alcohol will make me nauseated. At both my kids' wedding, when they toasted the newlyweds, I had to take the smallest little sip of champaigne and both times I immediately had to go upchuck. Hugs, CatNipped > when they toasted the newlyweds, I had to take the smallest little sip of > champaigne and both times I immediately had to go upchuck. You poor thing! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> when they toasted the newlyweds, I had to take the smallest little sip of >> champaigne and both times I immediately had to go upchuck. > > You poor thing! Ah, no sympathy needed - I *never* could drink, so don't know what I'm missing (and watching others when they're drunk, well, I don't think I've missed much). Besides, it makes me very popular - people always ask me to go out with them because then they know they'll have at least one willing designated driver!! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > Ah, no sympathy needed - I *never* could drink, so don't know what I'm > missing (and watching others when they're drunk, well, I don't think I've > missed much). The point of drinking wine is not to get drunk, it's to enjoy the taste. :o) The right kind of wine with the right kind of food can enhance the taste of the food in a wonderful way. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > The point of drinking wine is not to get drunk, it's to enjoy the taste. > :o) The right kind of wine with the right kind of food can enhance the > taste of the food in a wonderful way. Ah, see, I don't get that since just the smell makes me nauseated - I couldn't even imagine it tasting good. Hugs, CatNipped > Marina, Frank and Nikki > marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi > Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ > and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >>I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't touch the >>stuff. However Mike and James like wine. They prefer sweet red wines. I [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > CatNipped That's when I'd start toasting with a glass of water. The water can be in the same glass as the champagne for other people. lal > That's when I'd start toasting with a glass of water. The water can be in > the same glass as the champagne for other people. > > lal My mom insisted that it be champagne or the toast wouldn't "take"!!? Hugs, CatNipped > That's when I'd start toasting with a glass of water. The water can be > in the same glass as the champagne for other people. > > lal that's what I do. As I've said before fruit based alcohol hates me. I'm allergic to some of it and the rest just hates me. Rob is allergic to hops, so he couldn't drink beers. Now neither of us can drink at all, and we find the boys' quest for a sweet red wine amusing. Pam S. > to hops, so he couldn't drink beers. Now neither of us can drink at > all, and we find the boys' quest for a sweet red wine amusing. Hubby suggested either a Sangria or a Marsala. I don't drink red wines because they don't like me. I also identify with Rob and hops. Diane > Hubby suggested either a Sangria or a Marsala. I don't drink red wines > because they don't like me. I also identify with Rob and hops. > > Diane Ok, now I'm replying to myself. He also suggested port. Diane >>> I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't >>> touch the stuff. However Mike and James like wine. They prefer [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > lal > >I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't touch > >the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > drank > and then got sick, he quit taking the pills!!). Disulfiram (Antabuse) > Even the smell of alcohol will make me nauseated. At both my kids' > wedding, > when they toasted the newlyweds, I had to take the smallest little sip of > champaigne and both times I immediately had to go upchuck. It might very well be genetic. About 2/3 of Japanese lack the gene that produces the main enzyme that detoxifies ethyl alcohol. It's not unheard of in people of other ethnicities. > me. So I need help steering them to decently priced sweet red wines. > Any suggestions? I don't know of *any* sweet red wines, other that Boone's and I don't think that qualifies as wine... :) However, there are some very nice roses out there that are not as dry. Perhaps one of those would be palatable for those guys? Merlot is another good choice, how about something like this: http://wine.com/wineshop/product_detail.asp?PProduct_ID=YNG12821_2003&Nu=p_famil y_name SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> me. So I need help steering them to decently priced sweet red wines. Any >> suggestions? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > good choice, how about something like this: > http://wine.com/wineshop/product_detail.asp?PProduct_ID=YNG12821_2003&Nu=p_famil y_name I agree the Merlot's are a great idea. They are pretty mild. and will at least train the kids palates away from the really sweet wines. Jo >>> me. So I need help steering them to decently priced sweet red >>> wines. Any suggestions? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> dry. Perhaps one of those would be palatable for those guys? Merlot >> is another good choice, how about something like this: http://wine.com/wineshop/product_detail.asp?PProduct_ID=YNG12821_2003&Nu=p_f amily_name >> -- > > I agree the Merlot's are a great idea. They are pretty mild. and > will at least train the kids palates away from the really sweet wines. Yup, will also agree about Merlots. They are pretty smooth and simple and don't have that tannin kicker that Shirazs and even Cab Savs have. I wouldn't call them *sweet* of course, but they aren't as dry as most others. I had a shiraz the other day that was so dry it would draint he Amazon. It would have been great with a strong cheese, but just by itself in a "tasting" in was *very* overpowering.. I would reccomend McGuigin's Black Label red as a "quaffing" wine (nothing to get excited about and isn't for cellaring, but perfectly drinkable) but then again, I'm an experienced wine drinker, and of course, its probably an Australia-only wine. Yowie > Yup, will also agree about Merlots. They are pretty smooth and simple and > don't have that tannin kicker that Shirazs and even Cab Savs have. I > wouldn't call them *sweet* of course, but they aren't as dry as most others. > I had a shiraz the other day that was so dry it would draint he Amazon. It > would have been great with a strong cheese, but just by itself in a > "tasting" in was *very* overpowering.. I bought them a bottle of Turning Leaf Cabernet Sauvignon. It was very unpopular with all of them. Pam S. >> Yup, will also agree about Merlots. They are pretty smooth and simple and >> don't have that tannin kicker that Shirazs and even Cab Savs have. I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Pam S. Cabernet is one of the grapiest of the reds. Not sweet but full-bodied and fruity. A very nice choice. Merlot is smokey on top of that, and Shiraz has more blackberry and raspberry notes. Australian reds are always a good choice for those who do not like wine too dry. On the other hand French reds of the same type (cabernet, etc) tend to be much drier. Join the Mormons. And then don't ever have to buy wine again. They can get crocked somewhere else. SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com I don't drink alcohol. I'm an alcoholic and a diabetic and don't touch the stuff. However Mike and James like wine. They prefer sweet red wines. I hate wine. It hated me. Any alcohol made out of fruit hated me. So I need help steering them to decently priced sweet red wines. Any suggestions? Pam S. who'd rather not buy the stuff and then have to toss it out or get blamed for their mistakes > Join the Mormons. And then don't ever have to buy wine again. They can get > crocked somewhere else. But then she'd have to wear the funny underwear... :) or is that only men? SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> Join the Mormons. And then don't ever have to buy wine again. They can get >> crocked somewhere else. > >But then she'd have to wear the funny underwear... :) or is that only men? Just a hint, but that remark seems unlike you. There's always been room here for all types. When you checked your own post, I wonder if you didn't regret hitting the send button. Regards and Purrs, O J Speaking of wine, I like a drink as much as the next guy. The problem is I drink as much as the next two or three guys. :-) >>> Join the Mormons. And then don't ever have to buy wine again. They >>> can get crocked somewhere else. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > room here for all types. When you checked your own post, I wonder if > you didn't regret hitting the send button. I don't see anything disparaging against Mormons in Victor's remark. Stormin' said to join the Mormons to avoid having to buy wine and Victor pointed out that the downside would be the undergarments. They *do* wear some sort of special undergarment, don't they? I don't see what's wrong with mentioning that and asking if it's only men that wear it or if it's women too. If you're referring to the "funny", he *did* put a smiley in there so it was a good natured jab/question, IMO. Sorry if I've offended anyone with this post. -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > Just a hint, but that remark seems unlike you. There's always been > room here for all types. When you checked your own post, I wonder if > you didn't regret hitting the send button. Not at all, I don't see anything wrong with that post and I hope Stormin Mormon realizes that. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> Just a hint, but that remark seems unlike you. There's always been >> room here for all types. When you checked your own post, I wonder if >> you didn't regret hitting the send button. > >Not at all, I don't see anything wrong with that post and I hope Stormin >Mormon realizes that. Sorry, the consensus seems to be that I read too much into a lighthearted remark. When I'm wrong, I like to say so. I know perfectly well that there isn't a mean-spirited bone in your body, and now I'm the one who regrets hitting the send button. Regards and Purrs, O J (Old John) Gritmon > perfectly well that there isn't a mean-spirited bone in your body, and > now I'm the one who regrets hitting the send button. Hey, no hard feelings! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> Just a hint, but that remark seems unlike you. There's always been >> room here for all types. When you checked your own post, I wonder if >> you didn't regret hitting the send button. > > Not at all, I don't see anything wrong with that post and I hope Stormin > Mormon realizes that. I thought it was funny and cute. >> Join the Mormons. And then don't ever have to buy wine again. They can >> get >> crocked somewhere else. > > But then she'd have to wear the funny underwear... :) or is that only men? You have me confused here, Victor. Half my family are Mormon and they have never mentioned anything to me about funny underwear. This is what I'm going to do tomorrow, when I go to Sunday lunch, with lots of church members and even maybe a missionary or two there. I shall say "is there anything you'd all like to explain to me about strange underwear?" And I'll see what happens. ;-) LOL Tweed > I shall say "is there anything you'd all like to explain to me about > strange underwear?" > And I'll see what happens. ;-) Do let us know!!! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> I shall say "is there anything you'd all like to explain to me about >> strange underwear?" >> And I'll see what happens. ;-) > > Do let us know!!! OK, I will. Firstly, let me make it clear that by using the word "strange" I meant "different." I was just surprised after living so closely with my relatives all these years, I'd never heard of it. Today we were at my cousin's house for Sunday lunch, all family, all practicing LDS's except me. 13 of us round the table and what a lovely meal it was, eating and talking together and my cousin's m-i-l said how much she'd enjoyed the afternoon. I thought it was now or never, so I said "Can I ask you all something personal?" They all said yes. I explained about the group, how this subject had come up etc and just said a few people were curious about it, me included. It was my cousin I looked directly at, though, as I feel very comfortable with her, we were children together and born in the same year. So I asked her to explain about LDS underwear. She said "I thought you knew" and I said that I didn't, I'd never heard of LDS members wearing different underwear at all. This is how she explained it. She said that the underwear is considered to be like a vestment, but worn underneath instead of on top, like other religions do. She showed me hers. There is nothing weird about it at all. The top half is like a vest (not the right word for USA, I know) what I mean is something you wear next to your body. not a waistcoat which I think vest means in USA, which is an outer garment to us. Anyway, it has sleeves, and the bottom half which is separate, comes down to just above the knee. Sort of like "thermal underwear" that keeps you warm in the winter, and in summer lighter versions are worn. I asked my coz if the knowledge about this was sacred, and she said welll...not exactly, it's a sacred thing to go the temple and do your endowment (she called it something else) but it's not a huge secret, we mainly keep it quiet because of being mocked. I asked who mocked her. She said that some people when they know about it never leave it alone. "Like who?" I asked. (Margi, my coz owns a retirement home called Amberwood) She said, "Oh, often the Amberwood staff will say to me "got your passion-killers on again today?" Since she could obviously discipline them for this, and doesn't, says a lot for her temperament. The mystery is solved for me, I'm happy with the explanation. Every member of this side of my family has been to Salt Lake City, to the Temple there. My aunt and uncle were working at the London Temple, and had been there over a year when my uncle had his stroke there, and they were released from their task with the dead. The LDS's we have here will know what I mean. So, I hope this satisfies everyone who had heard hints and rumours about underwear in this religion and never knew what to believe. The subject is now closed as far as I am concerned. We all know what we wanted to know now. Tweed Tweed wrote: ---------------------<snip>---------------------- >So, I hope this satisfies everyone who had heard hints and rumours about >underwear in this religion and never knew what to believe. The subject is >now closed as far as I am concerned. We all know what we wanted to know >now. Thank you Tweed. You covered the subject with forbearance and dignity, things that everyone's religious beliefs deserve. Personally, I've been an atheist long enough to no longer feel any compulsion to poke fun at religious beliefs -- after all, I'm in the minority. Regards and Respects, O J Gritmon After a LDS person has gone to the temple to take out his endowment, he (or she) is expected to wear the church authorized undergarments in the future. I've been wearing LDS garments for about two years, and I don't find them in the least funny. SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com > Stormin Mormon wrote: >> Join the Mormons. And then don't ever have to buy wine again. They can >> get >> crocked somewhere else. > > But then she'd have to wear the funny underwear... :) or is that only men? > After a LDS person has gone to the temple to take out his endowment, he (or > she) is expected to wear the church authorized undergarments in the future. > I've been wearing LDS garments for about two years, and I don't find them > in the least funny. My apologies for finding the comment cute and funny. I had no idea. >> Join the Mormons. And then don't ever have to buy wine again. They can >> get >> crocked somewhere else. > > But then she'd have to wear the funny underwear... :) or is that only men? LOL Victor. Sorry, its only the men who have to wear the strange undies :-) Rob's mom is a mormon and I know what undies she wears. Personally, I let them pick their wine choices out, generally, then pay for it. But I get tired of buying them a wine and then watching it get dumped out down the sink. <giggles> actually I'm afraid of a drunk septic tank. Pam S. laughing with delight >>> Join the Mormons. And then don't ever have to buy wine again. They >>> can get [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Pam S. laughing with delight Well now I want to know what the men's undies are like. Please don't make me Google "Mormon underwear." Since the subject generally isn't discussed outside the temple, you will find nothing from LDS sources. And what you do find will be about thirds. 1/3 somewhat basically factually correct 1/3 twisted beyond recognition 1/3 barefaced lies that no LDS person believes. SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com Well now I want to know what the men's undies are like. Please don't make me Google "Mormon underwear." > Since the subject generally isn't discussed outside the >temple, you will > find nothing from LDS sources. And what you do find will be >about thirds. > 1/3 somewhat basically factually correct > 1/3 twisted beyond recognition [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > www.lds.org > www.mormons.com Why is is not discussed outside the temple? Is it a sacred subject/ritual or something? -L. (just curious) "L. (usenetlyn)" <usenetlyn@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to say about OT Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) Mormon Underwear: >> Since the subject generally isn't discussed outside the >temple, you >will [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Why is is not discussed outside the temple? Is it a sacred >subject/ritual or something? Matters relating to the Temple generally are held too sacred to be casually discussed in a public forum and possibly exposed to being mocked. This subject falls into that category. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > "L. (usenetlyn)" <usenetlyn@yahoo.com> had some very interesting > things to say about OT Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) Mormon [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > casually discussed in a public forum and possibly exposed to being > mocked. This subject falls into that category. As well it should. > "L. (usenetlyn)" <usenetlyn@yahoo.com> had some very interesting > things to say about OT Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) Mormon [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > casually discussed in a public forum and possibly exposed to >being > mocked. This subject falls into that category. Oh, ok. This was the first time I had ever heard about it and was just wondering why he said "you will find nothing about it from LDS resources". I'm a descendant of Peter Whitmer, BTW, and have read a bit of history of the faith, but don't really know that much about it. -L. > :-) Rob's mom is a mormon and I know what undies she wears. And why do you know that? ;-) > for it. But I get tired of buying them a wine and then watching it get > dumped out down the sink. <giggles> actually I'm afraid of a drunk Get them an inexpensive merlot, they might like that grape. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> :-) Rob's mom is a mormon and I know what undies she wears. > > And why do you know that? ;-) When we visit I help out with house work, including laundry. Rob's mom and I wear the same brand of undies. Which can be interesting as she wears a size smaller than I do. > Get them an inexpensive merlot, they might like that grape. Will add merlot to the list. Pam S. Tanada <tanada@nospamearthlink.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) Advice wanted: >LOL Victor. Sorry, its only the men who have to wear the strange undies >:-) Rob's mom is a mormon and I know what undies she wears. This is incorrect [trust an active female Mormon who has been to the Temple on this one]. BTW, this whole discussion is starting to sound like mockery of matters held sacred in my faith (specifically, matters related to the Temple). I *hope* no one means to be ridiculing anyone else's religion. This isn't alt.callahans, after all. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL I heard one light joke, followed by several sincere questions. SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote in message >LOL Victor. Sorry, its only the men who have to wear the strange undies >:-) Rob's mom is a mormon and I know what undies she wears. This is incorrect [trust an active female Mormon who has been to the Temple on this one]. BTW, this whole discussion is starting to sound like mockery of matters held sacred in my faith (specifically, matters related to the Temple). I *hope* no one means to be ridiculing anyone else's religion. This isn't alt.callahans, after all. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) Mockery >I heard one light joke, followed by several sincere questions. I've also seen several rather less-than-polite adjectives like "funny", "strange", "weird", etc. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> had some very > interesting things to say about Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) Mockery [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I've also seen several rather less-than-polite adjectives like > "funny", "strange", "weird", etc. FWIW, I don't think anyone meant disrespect. People call things "fuuny", "strange" or "weird" when they find it puzzling or don't understand it. I don't think it was mockery. Are there any reputable on-line sources that discuss the practice for those who would like to learn more about it? -L. >>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> had some very >>interesting things to say about Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -L. It is not open to discussion in that way. It is something sacred and private to the LDS religion. I think SM made that clear. Please don't try to make him uncomfortable. "L. (usenetlyn)" <usenetlyn@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) Mockery: >FWIW, I don't think anyone meant disrespect. People call things >"fuuny", "strange" or "weird" when they find it puzzling or don't >understand it. I don't think it was mockery. Are there any reputable >on-line sources that discuss the practice for those who would like to >learn more about it? The tone of said comments did read as contemptuous and/or sarcastic. As "Stormin" said, those who would actually have participated in this have made covenants with God to not discuss the specifics outside the Temple, due to the sacred nature of what takes place in that building. Anyone who has participated and then casually publicizes the details is violating promises made to God, thus demonstrating a certain lack of integrity. I wouldn't consider someone who would violate promises to God to be a reliable source (less than honest behavior in one setting does not inspire confidence in that person's honesty in another), and anyone who has not participated in the Temple ordinances frankly wouldn't know anything "reputable" (their sources would either be people in violation of promises to God (see earlier comments) or people who do not themselves have first-hand information on the subject). Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > "L. (usenetlyn)" <usenetlyn@yahoo.com> had some very interesting > things to say about Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) Mockery: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > people who do not themselves have first-hand information on the > subject). Seanette, I appreciate your taking the time to explain this. The whole conversation is making me very uncomfortable. The entire notion of "sacred" things is rejected by some people. Lyn is a self-proclaimed socialist, so she is in that group. My sister is a member of the LDS church as are all of her children and her husband, and even I am not privy to things of this nature. But I do hold some things sacred. I think we should just move on to another, more appropriate topic of conversation. > "L. (usenetlyn)" <usenetlyn@yahoo.com> had some very interesting > things to say about Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) Mockery: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > The tone of said comments did read as contemptuous and/or >sarcastic. I didn't think so, but you are entitled to your opinion as well. > As "Stormin" said, those who would actually have participated in this > have made covenants with God to not discuss the specifics >outside the > Temple, due to the sacred nature of what takes place in that >building. Ok. That wasn't clear to me but I may not have read every post in the thread. That's why I asked the question whether it was a sacred ritual in my other post. I honestly had never heard of it before. > Anyone who has participated and then casually publicizes the details > is violating promises made to God, thus demonstrating a certain lack [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > people who do not themselves have first-hand information on the > subject). Oh, ok. I understand. I just didn't know if there was anything published anywhere by anyone that was considered reliable info. -L. I've been subject to some really nasty stuff, so the milder adjectives don't upset me any more. SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) Mockery >I heard one light joke, followed by several sincere questions. I've also seen several rather less-than-polite adjectives like "funny", "strange", "weird", etc. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > I've been subject to some really nasty stuff, so the milder adjectives don't > upset me any more. I'm sorry about that. No one should be abused about their religion, race, gender, weight, or other differences. There's no excuse for being rude. Pam S. who hopes that she hasn't been rude, but wants to apologize if she has been No offense here. Nothing to apologize for. SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com Stormin Mormon wrote: > I've been subject to some really nasty stuff, so the milder adjectives don't > upset me any more. I'm sorry about that. No one should be abused about their religion, race, gender, weight, or other differences. There's no excuse for being rude. Pam S. who hopes that she hasn't been rude, but wants to apologize if she has been > This is incorrect [trust an active female Mormon who has been to the > Temple on this one]. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Temple). I *hope* no one means to be ridiculing anyone else's > religion. This isn't alt.callahans, after all. Sorry Seanette, I was misinformed. Nope don't want to make fun of any religions, though I find most of them amusing. Pam S. > Tanada <tanada@nospamearthlink.net> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: Wine (no no no, not whine) Advice wanted: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Temple). I *hope* no one means to be ridiculing anyone else's > religion. This isn't alt.callahans, after all. Incidentally, I get records for my sister in my spare time to help with her genealogy work since I live in Raleigh where all the records are. I am not sure the role that family history plays and have always been curious about it. Is that an off-limits topic too or can you shed some light? Only some small portion of the LDS adults have been to the temple to take out their endowments. Most LDS adults have not. I don't know the statistics, but it is less than 50% churchwide. SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com Victor Martinez wrote: > Stormin Mormon wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But then she'd have to wear the funny underwear... :) or is that only men? LOL Victor. Sorry, its only the men who have to wear the strange undies :-) Rob's mom is a mormon and I know what undies she wears.
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