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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / March 2005Please let me properly introduce myself
Hello all, I am the real Holly Tunnell, I am a 28 year old female, born and raised in Virginia. I am the proud slave of a 9 year old kitty named Honey. And the new mommy of a two month old little boy named Calvin. I have been lurking here for the past year but have never been a poster. First of all I need to appoligize for all that has been occuring here. But please do give me a chance to explain before just assuming that it is a lie. I also want to thank the ones of you who faxed the copies of post to our job as this is how we found out what has really been going on while I was at home. In November of this year, I started training our new receptionist, on November 4th I left the office on Maternity leave, Today was to be my first day back at work (I know sounds like a long time to take off for a baby but I have worked here since 1995 and had the vacation time to use so I did)When I got to work on yesterday to pick up my paycheck, my boss had a big stack of messages, emails and these post from the group that had been faxed over, emailed to him ect. Also a lot of credit card charges, office supply charges etc. that had been taken out in my name. We knew exactly who it was and I am sure that several of you have spoken to her when you called here. First of all I want to say I am sorry that you guys were taken in by this, this group was not the only one that was affected. Please belive that this was not me, I would never stoop to that level. I was taught as a kid that your integrety is the one thing that is of high value. As far as our webpage goes I am the true webmaster of such and the page has been repaired. I am so sorry about all of this and so embarrased. The One& Only Holly Tunnell > Please belive that this was not me, I would never stoop to that level. What a coincidence, the same misspelling, "belive", as the subject line of "James'" post. Gee, of course we "belive" you the one and only really Holly Tunnell! Hugs, CatNipped Excuse Me? Feel free to call here if you want this is all the true, all I am trying to do is explain myself. The last time I checked belive is not misspelled. All I know is that I am not the one who wrote any of those post, I know I am not the one who charged up the company card, I also know that I have no phone or internet at home by choice, so It was not untill yesterday that I knew anything of this according to My boss Phillip he has gotten calls her since Thursday and also messages left over the weekend. Of course if you would like to check them access Henrico county courts, in 2 -3 days her arrest should be posted there. > Excuse Me? Feel free to call here if you want this is all the true, > all I am trying to do is explain myself. The last time I checked > belive is not misspelled. All I know is that I am not the one who FYI, it's spelled BELIEVE, rhymes with RELIEVE. Invest in a dictionary. http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=believe&x=14&y=12 Unless, you are mispronouncing it as well, saying it so that it rhymes with bee hive, but that would have a whole different meaning ... http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=belive&x=14&y=12 <sheesh> --? The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > Excuse Me? Feel free to call here if you want this is all the true, all > I am trying to do is explain myself. The last time I checked belive is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > over the weekend. Of course if you would like to check them access > Henrico county courts, in 2 -3 days her arrest should be posted there. Oh, if she has been arrested then perhaps your employer, or the police, would like copies of all the emails that she sent me from your employer's email perpetrating this fraud. I'm sure evidence of this would be appreciated. Shall I send it now? Should I send it to your employer (whose correct email I have even though it hasn't been changed on the web site), or should I send it to the county sheriff's office? Hugs, CatNipped Obviously this is phase 2 of "notice me". I suggest ignoring the thread. > Obviously this is phase 2 of "notice me". I suggest ignoring the thread. Yes, that usually is very effective in making people and bad threads go away. "Karen" <kchuplis@nospamalltel.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Please let me properly introduce myself: >Obviously this is phase 2 of "notice me". I suggest ignoring the thread. Good point. I think it had been well over twelve hours since any discussion of the narcissistic (bleep) [mental illness, yeah right, it's too calculated to not be deliberate troublemaking, IMO].  Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL >>Excuse Me? Feel free to call here if you want this is all the true, all >>I am trying to do is explain myself. The last time I checked belive is [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > CatNipped I believe the time has come for you to do it. This has gotten way out of hand. This psycho needs to be fired. Bob > I believe the time has come for you to do it. This has gotten way out of > hand. This psycho needs to be fired. If nothing else, yeah, she's potentially damaging the revenue of the business by messing with the website. If I were running a business, I'd sure want to know about that. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Excuse Me? Feel free to call here if you want this is all the true, all > I am trying to do is explain myself. The last time I checked belive is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > over the weekend. Of course if you would like to check them access > Henrico county courts, in 2 -3 days her arrest should be posted there. And her name is? Because I think you may want to knit some little booties and hats for her. > Excuse Me? Feel free to call here if you want this is all the true, all > I am trying to do is explain myself. The last time I checked belive is > not misspelled.. This cracks me up. You must not have "checked" very well. (Perhaps you could use a spell checker...especially useful for someone who edits a web page.) MaryL [[> Please belive that this was not me, I would never stoop to that level. What a coincidence, the same misspelling, "belive", as the subject line of "James'" post. ]] The "Contact Us" link on the firm's front page has been repaired. However, the email addresses are still munged. At this writing, they still say "mwcarchitect.com" instead of "mwcarchitects.com". It will be quite a chore tracking down an arrest record in ANY county to back up this latest story, because as of this writing, there has been no name provided which anyone can actually attempt to search for. And if someone has actually falsely posted under another person's name, it's surprising to see that both parties employ the same writing style overall, up to and including the same spelling idiosyncracies. I thought long and hard before deciding to respond to this thread in any capacity. I finally decided that posting some truths, in a level-headed fashion, outweighed my concern that there's a sick individual whose attention addiction gets fed every time people respond to posts. Better that others should see these details for what they are and draw their own conclusions. This is just sad. Donna > [[> Please belive that this was not me, I would never stoop to that level. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > This is just sad. It is. One other truth: nobody has done anything that warranted arrest from what I can see. Unless I missed something. Holly wrote: <snip last dirch attempt to cover her a.s> Ya know Holly, at first I felt sorry for you and concerned, but now you've just pissed me off. It doesn't pay to lie, and you gave yourself away yet again in the message you just posted, and no I'm not going to tell you how. Smart people will be able to figure it out easily. Stop it already. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray Fine what ever okay, I know it was not me okay, I am not 54 years old, I do not have 3 cats, I did not have surgery I had a baby, I do not have a husband, I do not want one. I have been lurking in this group for along time. You will belive what you want that is fine, All I can say is that it is taken care of here. Arrest records are public knowledge so go and check it out. > Fine what ever okay, I know it was not me okay, I am not 54 years old, > I do not have 3 cats, I did not have surgery I had a baby, I do not > have a husband, I do not want one. I have been lurking in this group > for along time. You will belive what you want that is fine, All I can > say is that it is taken care of here. Arrest records are public > knowledge so go and check it out. Give us her name. Let it go. It no longer matters what the story is, there's been enough bad blood, dissapointment and hurt feelings here recently. If someone by whatever name they care to post under wants to talk about their kitties, then thats what the group is here for. We are not a witch hunting party (apologies to the Wiccans out there) and we aren't a crack investigation team. Welcome the stories about kitties, and leave it at that. Any mistrust or hard feelings can be done in private. Yowie <snip> > If someone by whatever name they care to post under wants to talk > about their kitties, then thats what the group is here for. Of course, that is understood, that *is* what the group is for but what it is not here for is for the very genuine and kind-hearted people that post here to be taken advantage of. We are > not a witch hunting party (apologies to the Wiccans out there) and we > aren't a crack investigation team. I don't think we've witch-hunted and we may not be the best detectives in the world, but I think (and it's only my personal opinion, mind, after looking at each and every post) that there is/was something very wrong here. > Welcome the stories about kitties, and leave it at that. Any mistrust > or hard feelings can be done in private. Stories about kitties I love. Any mistrust or hard feelings are appropriate to be expressed here, as it all happened here after all. You may have to go along with a few more posts about this as we all gradually, at our own pace, get over it. I didn't want it to be all a fake either, but I'm fairly sure it is. And yes, it's sad. While any of us feel sad about it, it's nice to share that between us. Tweed > <snip> > > If someone by whatever name they care to post under wants to talk [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is not here for is for the very genuine and kind-hearted people that post > here to be taken advantage of. Very true. > We are > > not a witch hunting party (apologies to the Wiccans out there) and we [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > And yes, it's sad. While any of us feel sad about it, it's nice to share > that between us. Also true, but I guess I'm willing to give a person the benefit of the doubt. If "one&only" is who she says she is, the we have no right to jump all over her. If she is who we suspect she is, it will become obvious soon enough and getting angry with her and threatening her isn't helping anyone - neither her nor us. And even if "one&only" does turn out to be the person who was originally posting as Holly, her cat anecdotes are not off topic here and it may help her to know that we can and do like reading her kitty stories (there is no rule to say they have to be true). I can understand feeling sad, upset, dissapointed and taken for a ride. I did too. But the anger that seems to be coming out now is so out of character for this group. The discord and hostility I now see is upsetting me far more than the original deception, which, if I understand MBI, was not done out of any malice or ill intention but rather part of a disease. Its like getting mad at someone for swearing when they have Tourette's. It doesn't help the person with the illness and blinds us to the fact that the person is just as much a victim of their disease as we are. We didn't get mad and threaten the person who typed in all-caps when we found out she had a vision impairment, instead we tried to help by typing in all-caps as well when replying to her. I'm wondering why we can't find it in our hearts to be understanding of "Holly" as well. Yowie >> <snip> >> > If someone by whatever name they care to post under wants to talk [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >Yowie Thanks, Yowie. We don't know what the true circumstances are behind all of this, and I would hate to see rpca break up over something as trivial as this. It is a very good possibility that Holly is a victim of someone who is trying to get even for something. We don't know. She may very well be the person who has instigated all of this. We don't know. It's time to let it all go and hope and pray that the person behind all of this gets the help that they so desperately need. Ok, time to get off the soap box. Hugs, Nan > Thanks, Yowie. We don't know what the true circumstances are behind > all of this, and I would hate to see rpca break up over something as > trivial as this. Unlikely. We've been through much worse and came out of it even stronger. I think there is too much love in this group to have something like this produce any lasting effect. :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> <snip> >>> If someone by whatever name they care to post under wants to talk [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > obvious soon enough and getting angry with her and threatening her > isn't helping anyone - neither her nor us. I can't remember getting angry and threatening her. Did I? And even if "one&only" > does turn out to be the person who was originally posting as Holly, > her cat anecdotes are not off topic here and it may help her to know > that we can and do like reading her kitty stories (there is no rule > to say they have to be true). The kitty stories are great, and I enjoyed reading them. > I can understand feeling sad, upset, dissapointed and taken for a > ride. I did too. But the anger that seems to be coming out now is so > out of character for this group. The discord and hostility I now see > is upsetting me far more than the original deception I think you will find it will all die away soon, as we all come to terms with it in our own time. , which, if I > understand MBI, was not done out of any malice or ill intention but > rather part of a disease. Its like getting mad at someone for > swearing when they have Tourette's. It doesn't help the person with > the illness and blinds us to the fact that the person is just as much > a victim of their disease as we are. Munchausen's - in whichever form - needs to be treated by the mental health services. > We didn't get mad and threaten the person who typed in all-caps when > we found out she had a vision impairment, instead we tried to help by > typing in all-caps as well when replying to her. That is not exactly the same, is it? > I'm wondering why we > can't find it in our hearts to be understanding of "Holly" as well. Well, we can understand but we must never collaborate by accepting what someone does in a case like this. They have to realise that what they are doing is based in fantasy and they need re-orientating to real life. Any other response - like going along with it - is a disservice to them, if you do this they will *never* seek proper help. I know this because of my job. It's bad practice to accept behaviour that's out of touch with reality. It's not kind to do that, it's actually cruel. Tweed <snip> > > Also true, but I guess I'm willing to give a person the benefit of the > > doubt. If "one&only" is who she says she is, the we have no right to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I can't remember getting angry and threatening her. Did I? Nope, not you. I Ddin't mean to imply it was you, sorry if it came across that way. <snip> > > I'm wondering why we > > can't find it in our hearts to be understanding of "Holly" as well. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I know this because of my job. It's bad practice to accept behaviour that's > out of touch with reality. It's not kind to do that, it's actually cruel. Tahts true. But being nasty (Not that you have been, but some people are getting towards that point) doesn't do a service either, IMHO. If Holly posted tomorrow about her kitties and mentioned nothing of this fracas, would we (as a group) accept the stories, or shout the poster down. Yowie > Tahts true. But being nasty (Not that you have been, but some people are > getting towards that point) doesn't do a service either, IMHO. If Holly > posted tomorrow about her kitties and mentioned nothing of this fracas, > would we (as a group) accept the stories, or shout the poster down. > > Yowie I, for one, would accept the stories and *very* gratefully let this whole thing die! I said from the beginning, if she had just been honest about needing a friend, or even afterwards been honest and admitted what she'd done and asked to be forgiven, she would have been accepted and even embraced by this wonderful group of people. Hugs, CatNipped > > Tahts true. But being nasty (Not that you have been, but some people are > > getting towards that point) doesn't do a service either, IMHO. If Holly [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I, for one, would accept the stories and *very* gratefully let this whole > thing die! You are so great at that Catnipped. It helps to defuse petty animosities when you take this approach. > I said from the beginning, if she had just been honest about needing a > friend, or even afterwards been honest and admitted what she'd done and > asked to be forgiven, she would have been accepted and even embraced by this > wonderful group of people. That is essentially what I told her in alt.cats, that if she could just be herself without the outlandish exaggeration and stuff she would be interesting enough for people to want to talk to. >> > Tahts true. But being nasty (Not that you have been, but some people >> > are [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You are so great at that Catnipped. It helps to defuse petty animosities > when you take this approach. Thank you. I'm just disproving the general theory about Scropios! I tend to be a peace-maker, and I don't like dissension. However, where I prove the general theory about Scorpios is when I see someone picking on someone weaker (children, animals, the "lost souls" of the world) or picking on someone I love - in which case beware my sting! ;> But I *really* don't like to use my sting which is why I love this group so much! >> I said from the beginning, if she had just been honest about needing a >> friend, or even afterwards been honest and admitted what she'd done and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > without the outlandish exaggeration and stuff she would be interesting > enough for people to want to talk to. Yeah, had she just been honest and up-front about her needs she would have had all the sympathy and friendship she needed and it wouldn't have had to end with the discovery of her lie. I think quite a lot of people here feel the same way. Even now if she would just apologize and ask for what she needs I think she would be forgiven and welcomed back - after all, we all make mistakes and we all need forgiveness at some time in our lives. But then again, if it is an illness then I guess she didn't/doesn't have that option - it is so sad! Hugs, CatNipped > Thank you. I'm just disproving the general theory about Scropios! I tend > to be a peace-maker, and I don't like dissension. However, where I prove > the general theory about Scorpios is when I see someone picking on someone > weaker (children, animals, the "lost souls" of the world) or picking on > someone I love - in which case beware my sting! ;> But I *really* don't > like to use my sting which is why I love this group so much! I'm a Scorpio too (Nov 13)! I snap when I see people/animals get picked on. Even writing that my BP went up! Susan M Otis and Chester > I'm a Scorpio too (Nov 13)! I snap when I see people/animals get picked on. > Even writing that my BP went up! Ooh ooh! Me three! Nov. 16. Also always sticking up for the underd*g. (Excuse the expression.) Katz >> I'm a Scorpio too (Nov 13)! I snap when I see people/animals get > picked on. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Katz Mine is October 25, almost on the cusp, so maybe that accounts for the peace-maker trait. According to one site for Libra traits: "Diplomaitic and urbane Romantic and charming Easygoing and sociable Idealistic and peaceable" But on the "dark" side was: "Gullible and easily infuenced" Oh well, that explains the Holly debacle!!! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >>> I'm a Scorpio too (Nov 13)! I snap when I see people/animals get >> picked on. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > CatNipped Ah, I *LOVE* this quote about a Scorpio: "Who keeps an arrow in his bow, And if you prod him, lets it go? A fervent friend and subtle foe ?? It is the Scorpio" Hugs, CatNipped >>> I'm a Scorpio too (Nov 13)! I snap when I see people/animals get >> picked on. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > CatNipped Hey, look, Lori, how many times do we need to tell you that you are not to blame? You responded just like most of us would have done to a mail from someone you thought needed help. That's a good thing, and shows that you are compassionate. Blessings to you Tweed Hands up all who totally forgive Catnipped, 'cos she's obviously still feeling bad about it. I have my hand up first. > Hey, look, Lori, how many times do we need to tell you that you are not to > blame? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > feeling bad about it. > I have my hand up first. Oh no, no, I wasn't trolling for sympathy here - I was making fun of myself. I tend to have a warped sense of humor, that's all. Sorry, I tend to laugh at myself all the time, I'm really funny if you like slapstick!!! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > >>> I'm a Scorpio too (Nov 13)! I snap when I see people/animals get > >> picked on. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > feeling bad about it. > I have my hand up first. Can't put my hand up, because forgiveness implies there was a wrong in the first place. I don't think Lori did anything wrong, so I can't forgive her of anything. But I will put my hand up for "People who think Lori should stop beating herself up over this" :-) Yowie > Can't put my hand up, because forgiveness implies there was a > wrong in the first place. I don't think Lori did anything wrong, > so I can't forgive her of anything. But I will put my hand up > for "People who think Lori should stop beating herself up over > this" :-) <hand also raised!!> SignatureCheryl Cheryl <jlhshadow@nospamhotmail.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Please let me properly introduce myself: >> Can't put my hand up, because forgiveness implies there was a >> wrong in the first place. I don't think Lori did anything wrong, >> so I can't forgive her of anything. But I will put my hand up >> for "People who think Lori should stop beating herself up over >> this" :-) ><hand also raised!!> See my previous comment. :-) Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Please let me properly introduce myself: >Hands up all who totally forgive Catnipped, 'cos she's obviously still >feeling bad about it. >I have my hand up first. Let's see, vote over here is two hands, two feet (my DH isn't paying attention), four paws, two ears, one tail, a beak, two wings, and two little birdie feet all elevated. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL >> I'm a Scorpio too (Nov 13)! I snap when I see people/animals get >> picked on. Even writing that my BP went up! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Katz I'm a Nov 3 Scorpio, and a chinese zodiac snake as well ... so I guess I must be the most egotistical of all possible combinations, and dangerous to boot! Cruelty also bothers me. As a small girl, I embarrassed the hell out of a boy on the playground. Some bullies were taunting him with that awful accusation, "You play with barbies!" I readily defended him: "There's nothing wrong with playing with barbies!" I was a rebel without a clue from the beginning .... Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > >> I'm a Scorpio too (Nov 13)! I snap when I see people/animals get > >> picked on. Even writing that my BP went up! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I was a rebel without a clue from the beginning .... April 2. Aries. What a surprise, eh? ;) "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> > > You are so great at that Catnipped. It helps to defuse petty animosities > > when you take this approach. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > someone I love - in which case beware my sting! ;> But I *really* don't > like to use my sting which is why I love this group so much! I can tell that. I share your feelings about underdogs. I get most riled up over bullies, and there are a lot of them around. > > That is essentially what I told her in alt.cats, that if she could just be > > herself [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > had all the sympathy and friendship she needed and it wouldn't have had to > end with the discovery of her lie. It is sad. > all-caps as well when replying to her. I'm wondering why we can't find it in > our hearts to be understanding of "Holly" as well. I think a problem many of us have in this particular instance is that we feel betrayed. We trusted Holly and many of us were very worried for her and cared about her and sent her get well cards. I in particular sent her one of my "Cats from Paris" that I specially value. I guess I felt a bit more because my mother has just recently had brain surgery for real. I can forgive Holly and I do. Unless she keeps lying. In that case I will just killfile her and ignore her completely. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Victor Martinez <me@nospam.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Please let me properly introduce myself: >I think a problem many of us have in this particular instance is that we > feel betrayed. We trusted Holly and many of us were very worried for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I can forgive Holly and I do. Unless she keeps lying. In that case I >will just killfile her and ignore her completely. I've already killfiled her (again). I'm still too angry about the hurt caused to a lot of people I care about in here. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > Let it go. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > hunting party (apologies to the Wiccans out there) and we aren't a crack > investigation team. Crack? I thought the focus was on catnip. Is there now a street rock version of catnip? >As far as our webpage goes I am the >ture webmaster of such and the page has >been repaired. No it hasn't. The email addresses are still wrong for contacting the principles but that's ok. I was able to find the correct address for Mr. Cox elsewhere. http://www.stchristophers.com/alumni/directory/51_60.html Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > >As far as our webpage goes I am the > >ture webmaster of such and the page has [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Cox elsewhere. > http://www.stchristophers.com/alumni/directory/51_60.html All you had to do was add the "s" to architects. >>> As far as our webpage goes I am the >>> ture webmaster of such and the page has [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> Mr. Cox elsewhere. >> http://www.stchristophers.com/alumni/directory/51_60.html Not now you haven't. "This page cannot be displayed." Tweed > All you had to do was add the "s" to architects. Tweed wrote: >Not now you haven't. "This page cannot >be displayed." I just checked it and it works just fine. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >>> No it hasn't. The email addresses are still wrong for contacting the >>> principles but that's ok. I was able to find the correct address for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Not now you haven't. "This page cannot be displayed." > Tweed works fine for me... >All you had to do was add the "s" to >architects. Which *I* pointed out in a previous post. However, it is always wise to find corroboration. For all we know there could have been a middle initial removed as well. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > Hello all, I am the real Holly Tunnell, I am a 28 year old female, born > and raised in Virginia. Give it a rest and go get yourself some mental help. You have a *major* problem. <Wondering if I should hit {send} because all a response does is give her the attention she is desperately seeking...> -L. > > Hello all, I am the real Holly Tunnell, I am a 28 year old female, > born [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -L. Well I'm not sure it will help anything to be so nasty. She really does have a problem. > Hello all, I am the real Holly Tunnell, I am a 28 year old female, and so embarrased. > The One& Only Holly Tunnell "Asian" Flank Steak 2 lb. flank or skirt steak 1/2 c. lowsalt soy or teriyaki sauce 1 tsp. dried ginger powder 3 cloves garlic, minced splash of Worcestershire sauce splash of balsamic vinegar splash dry sherry 1/2 tsp. black pepper Marinate the steak overnight, covered, turning the steak periodically before cooking. Broil the steak on the 2nd rack from the top rather than the one closest to the electric broiler element*, 8 minutes per side**. Let stand about 10 minutes before slicing thinly against the grain. Photo here: http://community.webshots.com/photo/74365720/278503480bXJTBI The leftovers are great for making stir-fry beef & broccoli. Jill *If you have a gas broiler, it may be below the oven - I had one of those years ago and you can't adust the rack so just keep an eye on the steak. **8 minutes per side on a 2 lb. flank steak results in medium-rare with rare at the thickest part. Adjust as you wish for doneness. > > Hello all, I am the real Holly Tunnell, I am a 28 year old female, > and so embarrased. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > **8 minutes per side on a 2 lb. flank steak results in medium-rare with rare > at the thickest part. Adjust as you wish for doneness. Mmmm, that sounds yummy! Hope you don't mind if I print it out and use it. Sounds like a near perfect fit for my diet. Smokie Darling (Annie) >>> Hello all, I am the real Holly Tunnell, I am a 28 year old female, >>> and so embarrased. The One& Only Holly Tunnell >> >> "Asian" Flank Steak http://community.webshots.com/photo/74365720/278503480bXJTBI >> The leftovers are great for making stir-fry beef & broccoli. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Smokie Darling (Annie) Of course you may use it! Modify it as you see fit, as well. Recipe sharing is what we do here when we are being hit by trolls :) Jill > >>> Hello all, I am the real Holly Tunnell, I am a 28 year old female, > >>> and so embarrased. The One& Only Holly Tunnell [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Jill Ahhh, I thought that may be what was happening. I shall have to dig out some of my recipes (that include things I can no longer eat on a regular basis) to share as well. I think I like this place. Smokie Darling (Annie) Annie, here's the FAQ for this newsgroup - I recommend reading it for the humor if nothing else! ;> http://www.angelfire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm Hugs, CatNipped > > Hello all, I am the real Holly Tunnell, I am a 28 year old female, > and so embarrased. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > **8 minutes per side on a 2 lb. flank steak results in medium-rare with rare > at the thickest part. Adjust as you wish for doneness. Mmmm, sounds very tasty! I think I will try it this Friday. >>> Hello all, I am the real Holly Tunnell, I am a 28 year old female, >> and so embarrased. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Mmmm, sounds very tasty! I think I will try it this Friday. It's very good. If you have a grill it's great to do outdoors; unfortunately it was raining when I did this on Saturday so I had to use the broiler. I served it with steamed brussels sprouts. Jill For dessert, try some shortbread: Dr. Atkins would shrivel with horror, of course. But if you want to live dangerously, here's the recipe anyway: preheat oven to 300 F. 2 sticks butter (must be butter) *1/2 cup granulated sugar 1 tsp vanilla 1 3/4 cup regular flour **1/4 cup rice flour *I recently tried a variation of using light brown sugar in this recipe, and it was quite good. =o) **Look for rice flour at natural food stores or places that sell spices in bulk, or in the baking ingredients aisle at your local grocery store. If you can't find it, it's not a disaster. Just use 2 cups of regular flour and the shortbread will still be very good. I use rice flour because it makes the cookies a little more crisp and delicate when they're baked. Cream the butter, sugar and vanilla together, then gradually sift in the flour, until it is all incorporated. These cookies are much easier to handle when you pop the dough in the refrigerator and chill it for ten to fifteen minutes. Roll out the dough, and cut cookies in any shapes you wish. Bake the cookies for about 15 minutes, or until the edges are light brown. The recipe makes 15-24 cookies, depending on how thin you roll the dough, and how large a cookie cutter you use. They're delicious with milk or with a cup of hot tea or coffee. Melissa > For dessert, try some shortbread: Dr. Atkins would shrivel with horror, > of course. But if you want to live dangerously, here's the recipe [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Melissa Oh, goodness, I absolutely adore shortbread. Hmmm, going to be eating good stuff on my "Free Day". Smokie Darling (Annie) > > For dessert, try some shortbread: Dr. Atkins would shrivel with > horror, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Oh, goodness, I absolutely adore shortbread. Hmmm, going to be eating > good stuff on my "Free Day". Throwing in some semolina makes yummy shortbread too, although can't remember what proportion you have to use. Yowie >> For dessert, try some shortbread: Dr. Atkins would shrivel with >> horror, of course. But if you want to live dangerously, here's the [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Smokie Darling (Annie) My maternal grandparents were straight off the boat from Scotland in 1923 and grandma definitely made wonderful buttery shortbread. Don't even think of attempting this without using real (unsalted) butter. 3/4 c. butter 4 c. sifted all purpose flour 1 c. sugar 1/4 tsp. salt Blend salt into flour. In a large mixing bowl, cream the butter with the sugar and then blend in with the flour mixture until you have a stiff dough. Pat the dough out in a 6X9 inch pan, pressing with the sides of a glass to smooth the dough. Prick it all over with a fork. Bake at 275F for 50-60 minutes or until lightly browned. Jill Jill >>> For dessert, try some shortbread: Dr. Atkins would shrivel with >>> horror, of course. But if you want to live dangerously, here's the [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Jill Charlie has been unmercifully spoiled when it comes to shortbread. He once lived in a walk up apartment about a shortbread bakery/factory in Edinburgh. When I make shortbread I use the rolling pin that is like a rolling cookie stamp I got from my mother to mark it. Never had the patience to make the Christmas cookies it was designed for. Jo <snip> > My maternal grandparents were straight off the boat from Scotland in 1923 > and grandma definitely made wonderful buttery shortbread. Don't even think [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Jill Almost exactly the recipe my Grandmother used as well - and she was Irish/French/German. :) She would form it into oblong ball thingies and free-bake them on a flat sheet. It is divine with strawberries and ice cream - sprinkle a little cinnamon sugar on it. YUM! -L. > 3/4 c. butter > 4 c. sifted all purpose flour [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > smooth the dough. Prick it all over with a fork. Bake at 275F for 50-60 > minutes or until lightly browned. Sounds delicious & easy. I wrote it down. :) Katz >>> For dessert, try some shortbread: Dr. Atkins would shrivel with >>> horror, of course. But if you want to live dangerously, here's the [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >smooth the dough. Prick it all over with a fork. Bake at 275F for 50-60 >minutes or until lightly browned. Does Mamma's little baby love it? ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > For dessert, try some shortbread: Dr. Atkins would shrivel with > horror, of course. But if you want to live dangerously, here's [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Melissa Excellent recipe! A keeper!! SignatureCheryl > Hello all, I am the real Holly Tunnell, I am a 28 year old female, born > and raised in Virginia. I am the proud slave of a 9 year old kitty [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I am so sorry about all of this and so embarrased. > The One& Only Holly Tunnell You just don't let up do you? You truely are sick. Bob Victor's easy green mole 1 lb tomatillos, washed and shucked 1 qt chicken broth serrano peppers to taste (I use 4 or 5) 1 cup raw, shelled pumpkin seeds 1 bunch of cilantro Boil the tomatillos and peppers in the chicken broth until cooked. Toast or fry the seeds in a hot pan until cooked. Puree the seeds with some of the broth until they form a smooth paste. Blend the tomatillos and the seed paste with enough broth to make a thick sauce. Heat some oil in a dutch oven and add the sauce once the oil is very hot. Let simmer for 10 minutes. Season with salt, if needed. Take a ladlefull of mole and put it in the blender with the cilantro. Purree and return to the pot. Serve with your favorite grilled meat and corn tortillas. > Victor's easy green mole > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > return to the pot. Serve with your favorite grilled meat and corn > tortillas. It's too bad cilantro tastes like soap to me. I understand it's a genetic thing. (sigh) Jill > It's too bad cilantro tastes like soap to me. I understand it's a genetic > thing. (sigh) > > Jill I even found a citrus & cilantro candle at Pier One the other day. The smell is odd, but I like it. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca You could make it without the cilantro, it's still good! > You could make it without the cilantro, it's still good! Probably true of any food ... which is about all I can gather without seeing the quote to which you're responding =P If you're a google groups victim, I hear there's a way to make it quote the post to which you're responding, but I don't recall how. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > You could make it without the cilantro, it's still good! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca I know, I know.... Click the _show options_ beside the poster's name, then click "reply" (avoid reply to sender), that opens a window where the post one is responding to is. I had to be told several times before I figured it out. The cilantro comment was from Jill's reply to Pistor's Easy Green Mole recipe. Smokie Darling (Annie) > Click the _show options_ beside the poster's name, then click "reply" > (avoid reply to sender), that opens a window where the post one is > responding to is. I had to be told several times before I figured it > out. Thanks for the pointer! Victor, posting from work. > > Click the _show options_ beside the poster's name, then click "reply" > > (avoid reply to sender), that opens a window where the post one is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Victor, posting from work. On this group, there seems to be very little that I may know, in any form, better than the regulars. It *is*, however, rather nice that when I have questions about my babies, someone here will have some great advice for me. Sort of like eating plastic, which I found in the archives. Barnabus must have the gene that makes it tastes sweet, and there is nothing worse than having to clean up the strips that come back up (ewww). However, it's better to clean it up than step in it. Smokie Darling (Annie) Nina must have that gene too, then. I have to hide plastic bags from her. Although before trying to eat them, she spends a lot of time hunting and killing them. Maybe they're infested with Greeblings, I dunno.... =o) Melissa > If you're a google groups victim, I hear there's a way to make it quote the > post to which you're responding, but I don't recall how. > >I'm a googler. I have an outline window which shows me to which post pistor is replying. I didn't realize you guys couldn't tell that. I finally figured out how to get it to quote the post to which I'm referring, but I often don't use it b/c it's easier, & b/c I thought others could tell which post I was replying to. Sorry. So much of the format of this group is still a mystery to me. LOL Katz > It's too bad cilantro tastes like soap to me. I understand it's a genetic > thing. (sigh) > > Jill Ok - here's another question. Do you like Earl Grey tea? Bergamot seems to have the same aromatic essences as cilanto, to some extent, though I know they are not related. I just ask because the smell/taste of cilantro and bergamot are two of my favorites. -L. > > It's too bad cilantro tastes like soap to me. I understand it's a > genetic [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I just ask because the smell/taste of cilantro and bergamot are two of > my favorites. Mmm... I *love* Earl Grey, and like Lady Grey even better. Yowie >>> It's too bad cilantro tastes like soap to me. I understand it's a >>> genetic thing. (sigh) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Yowie I love cilantro (here we call it coriander) but Earl Grey tastes like washing powder water to me, I hate it. Maybe I have half of the soap gene. Tweed > I love cilantro (here we call it coriander) but Earl Grey tastes like > washing powder water to me, I hate it. Maybe I have half of the soap gene. > > Tweed Wait, I'm confused. I've bought cilantro, and it's a parsley-looking green leafy thing. And then I have a bottle of coriander; it's a bunch of round pellet-looking things, I think. *confused* I do love both cilantro (the leafy type) and earl grey. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > I love cilantro (here we call it coriander) but Earl Grey tastes like > > washing powder water to me, I hate it. Maybe I have half of the soap gene. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > leafy thing. And then I have a bottle of coriander; it's a bunch of round > pellet-looking things, I think. *confused* Just the difference between the fresh herb and the dried. Coriander tends to be the seeds, cilantro the green part. > I do love both cilantro (the leafy type) and earl grey. > Just the difference between the fresh herb and the dried. Coriander tends to > be the seeds, cilantro the green part. They don't taste the same, though, do they? Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > Just the difference between the fresh herb and the dried. Coriander tends to > > be the seeds, cilantro the green part. > > They don't taste the same, though, do they? Nope! I have never used coriander seeds in anything and I when I choose salsa at a burrito place I chose one that leaves fresh cilantro out because I do not care for it. I have never made fresh salsa, I like the kind in the jar too much. > Nope! I have never used coriander seeds in anything and I when I choose > salsa at a burrito place I chose one that leaves fresh cilantro out because > I do not care for it. I have never made fresh salsa, I like the kind in the > jar too much. Oof. My favorite salsa is pico de gallo, which is basically tomatoes, onions, and cilantro. I'm getting to the point where old standbys like Pace salsa just don't do it for me; I much prefer the refrigerated stuff with an expiration date. I blame living in Colorado; you get spoiled for pseudo-mexican stuff pretty quickly. Since moving to Colorado (and living with DH, who adores spicy foods), I've developed a serious fondness for green chili, too. I'd never even heard of it before moving here. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > Nope! I have never used coriander seeds in anything and I when I choose > > salsa at a burrito place I chose one that leaves fresh cilantro out because [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > My favorite salsa is pico de gallo, which is basically tomatoes, onions, and > cilantro. I like pico without cilantro! > I'm getting to the point where old standbys like Pace salsa just don't do it > for me; I much prefer the refrigerated stuff with an expiration date. My favorite (I am not a Salsa gourmet!) is Old El Paso Thick and Chunky Medium! I also cook with it. Lentil soup is fab with just a splash of this stuff after the lentils have gotten soft (30 minutes) then with just a sprinkle of cheddar cheese on top. I blame > living in Colorado; you get spoiled for pseudo-mexican stuff pretty quickly. > Since moving to Colorado (and living with DH, who adores spicy foods), I've > developed a serious fondness for green chili, too. I'd never even heard of it > before moving here. What is green chili? >> I'm getting to the point where old standbys like Pace salsa just >> don't do it for me; I much prefer the refrigerated stuff with an [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > splash of this stuff after the lentils have gotten soft (30 minutes) > then with just a sprinkle of cheddar cheese on top. Great minds think alike! I dumped a bunch of refrigerated salsa into some (canned, though) lentil soup. Not bad. Traditionally I've just used vinegar and Maggi to season lentil soup. >> I blame living in Colorado; you get spoiled for pseudo-mexican stuff >> pretty quickly. Since moving to Colorado (and living with DH, who >> adores spicy foods), I've developed a serious fondness for green >> chili, too. I'd never even heard of it before moving here. > > What is green chili? Oooooh. What is green chili? What is green chili???? Well, um, I'm actually not sure. It's green, and it has a distinctively spicy flavor, and you can either drench your foods in it like a sauce or eat with a spoon, like a soup or the other (red) kind of chili. I like to eat it as a soup with tortillas or corn chips, but it's also great on burritos and other foods I shouldn't be eating. Almost anything mexican-ish tastes even better with green chili (in my opinion, of course). And sometimes it's not even really green, as when there are lots of tomatillos in it. But the flavor is still of green chili. Here's an example of a green chili recipe (note: I haven't tried this one). http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/recipes/ethnic/mexican/chili-coll.html#15 Note that almost everything is measured in teaspoons or tablespoons, whereas the recipe calls for FOUR POUNDS of green chilis. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> wrote > > Great minds think alike! I dumped a bunch of refrigerated salsa into some > (canned, though) lentil soup. Not bad. Traditionally I've just used vinegar > and Maggi to season lentil soup. Lemon also will make it tangy. Lentils are the most unlikely looking of the delicious foods! I love to brown a whole very large onion, chopped, just to the point that the pieces are still plump but that that delicious flavor and smell, and add just that, salsa, some bay leaves, and salt and pepper to my lentil soup. > > What is green chili? > > Oooooh. What is green chili? What is green chili???? > > Well, um, I'm actually not sure. Hee! It's green, and it has a distinctively spicy > flavor, and you can either drench your foods in it like a sauce or eat with a > spoon, like a soup or the other (red) kind of chili. I like to eat it as a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Note that almost everything is measured in teaspoons or tablespoons, whereas > the recipe calls for FOUR POUNDS of green chilis. Hmmmm. I have got to try this somewhere before I try to make it. I love spicy food, though. > Lemon also will make it tangy. Lentils are the most unlikely looking of the > delicious foods! I love to brown a whole very large onion, chopped, just to > the point that the pieces are still plump but that that delicious flavor and > smell, and add just that, salsa, some bay leaves, and salt and pepper to my > lentil soup. Lentil soup is definitely a favorite of mine. I made some from scratch, but I really didn't think it was such a great improvement over the Progresso version to be worth the extra time. Maybe I should try again. IIRC it was a lentil-curry kind of thing. I think I should have upped the curry content, or maybe use a different type. >> Here's an example of a green chili recipe (note: I haven't tried this >> one). [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Hmmmm. I have got to try this somewhere before I try to make it. I > love spicy food, though. Well, it sounds like Victor has a tasty green chile recipe ... maybe you should beg him for that rather than trusting a link I chose at random from a google search =) Barring that, just come to the front range area, where there's a mexican place serving up green chili roughly every 5 feet. The best one I've had so far was at a restaurant at Keystone ski resort ... that's the one that was actually red .... Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > Well, it sounds like Victor has a tasty green chile recipe ... maybe you Victor's green chile stew Note: all quantities are estimations, since I rarely measure things when I'm cooking savory stuff 2 lbs pork shoulder (aka pork butt or Boston butt), cubed 2 cups roasted and peeled hatch chiles or other green chiles (make sure you don't use bell peppers, you need some heat) 4 quarts chicken stock 2 lbs potatoes, cubed 1 lb boiler onions, peeled (or 1 lb regular onions, quartered) flour for dusting meat (if you can get your hands in masa harina, it works even better) crema mexicana (not quite sour cream, get creme fraiche if you can't find the mexican cream) cilantro flour tortillas Dust the meat with seasoned (salt only) flour. Heat oil in a large dutch oven and brown the meat in batches, you don't want the meat pieces touching each other. Once the meat is done, add a bit more oil if needed and sautee the onions for 2-3 minutes, scraping the bottom of the pan. Add the chopped chiles and sautee for another minute or so. Deglaze with the stock and add the meat. Bring to a boil and let simmer for an hour or two. I actually like to make this the day before I'm going to eat it, it tastes much better as leftovers. To serve, add a tablespoon of each crema and chopped cilantro to each bowl. Eat with flour tortillas. YUM! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> Well, it sounds like Victor has a tasty green chile recipe ... maybe you > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > bowl. Eat with flour tortillas. > YUM! Keep it up. I'm going to end up in the kitchen yet. Chile Verde is my favorite. I'm still holding on the the Mole recipe you gave me. The arthritis in my left hand has kept me from cooking anything to involved for the last couple of months. But the Chile Verde is doable. I wouldn't even have to peel the potatoes. Jo > > Well, it sounds like Victor has a tasty green chile recipe ... maybe you > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 2 lbs pork shoulder (aka pork butt or Boston butt), cubed Victor, this is a very fatty roast. Think the same thing could be done with a loin roast? > Victor, this is a very fatty roast. Think the same thing > could be done with a loin roast? I don't see why not, you just won't have all the flavor from the pork fat. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > > Victor, this is a very fatty roast. Think the same thing > > could |
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