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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / February 2005Belive as you wish
Holly is telling this to me as I write it. We are reading the post today as I to had become interested in all the cat stories. We both were very supprised about what we found. She does want to answer the questions and you do with them as you wish. 1. She is german born, raised in Sweden after parents seperated as she with with dad. 2. Holly does have cancer , she has had surgery, etc. 3. I married her in October, she moved here with me. 4. Holly reads and speaks English very well, she does not spell it that well and is why she had been studing English. 5. She appoligizes that others belive she was lying but she knows in her heart what was true. 6. She also says that at least posters here are true to there word. Her boss came for a visit today and she asked him had he gotten any calls? He had had 6 yesterday alone and also said the receptionist had gotten a few. 7. Also thankyou for cards etc, but as of this am they have been returned to the senders. I want to say one thing of my own though, I really did appreciate the support I was given and am sorry that some belive it to be a lie. I would love to give Holly a call to apologize for all of this. What is the hospital telephone and her room number?  SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > Holly is telling this to me as I write it. We are reading the post > today as I to had become interested in all the cat stories. We both [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I want to say one thing of my own though, I really did appreciate the > support I was given and am sorry that some belive it to be a lie. If I was wrong in believing Megan, then please allow me to apologize - in person over the phone. Could you send me the hospital phone number and Holly's room number? As far as the cards are concerned, I think Holly should keep them - whatever the truth is she truly needs to get better. Hugs, CatNipped Dear Holly If you believe posting via google disguises where you are posting from, think again. I know how to read internet headers, and this post came from your workplace once again. You have made me extremely sad. Please recognise what you've been doing and get the help you need. I really liked your posts, too. Such a pity. Tweed > Holly is telling this to me as I write it. We are reading the post > today as I to had become interested in all the cat stories. We both [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I want to say one thing of my own though, I really did appreciate the > support I was given and am sorry that some belive it to be a lie. > Holly is telling this to me as I write it. Interesting... I didn't know hospital rooms offered Internet access. I'll have to call our larger area hospitals and inquire about that. Next time I have surgery I might want to take a laptop with me. Jill <---cynical > > Holly is telling this to me as I write it. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I > have surgery I might want to take a laptop with me. That's not at all impossible. One of my hospital clients insisted on a wireless LAN for patients because a hospital across town offered one. We had to implement a large network, much larger than needed for clinical use. >>> Holly is telling this to me as I write it. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > We had to implement a large network, much larger than needed for > clinical use. This is very interesting since the use of cell phones (which are wireless) can disrupt hospital equipment and the use of the same as well as laptops on airplanes is restricted to specific times so as not to disrupt navigation systems. Jill >>>> Holly is telling this to me as I write it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Jill Hospitals are reconsidering this. Many are now allowing phones except in certain areas. I'm guessing enough doctors said why not to get them to reconsider. Airlines are also planning to change the rules. Jo >>>>> Holly is telling this to me as I write it. >>>> >>>> Interesting... I didn't know hospital rooms offered Internet >>>> access. >>> That's not at all impossible. One of my hospital clients insisted >>> on a wireless LAN for patients because a hospital across town [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Jo I'm paranoid enough about flying without worrying about people yakking on cell phones possibly disrupting navigation systems! I still can't figure out what is so terribly important as to need to talk on a phone whilst driving a car, shopping at the supermarket, etc. Guess I'm just getting to be an old fart ;) Jill > I'm paranoid enough about flying without worrying about people yakking on > cell phones possibly disrupting navigation systems! I still can't figure > out what is so terribly important as to need to talk on a phone whilst > driving a car, shopping at the supermarket, etc. Guess I'm just getting to > be an old fart ;) I've been known to use my cell at the supermarket, but if I do it's because I need to double-check the grocery list. The car thing, though, is just plain dangerous. I went through a phase of "needing" to be on the phone all the time when I first got my cell, and I'm really glad I never got in an accident. Since then I've gotten a clue. DH likes to use driving time to talk to his parents. He does use a headset, but it still bothers me a lot. Heck, I get distracted if *he's* on the phone with his folks in the passenger seat! Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > I'm paranoid enough about flying without worrying about people yakking on > > cell phones possibly disrupting navigation systems! I still can't figure [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > parents. He does use a headset, but it still bothers me a lot. Heck, I get > distracted if *he's* on the phone with his folks in the passenger seat! I have this theory that youc anestimate a person's age by how they use their cellphone. My mother has a cellphone. Its never on. It sits in her handbag and would only ever be turned on in case of an emergency or if she absolutely had to take a critical call (she left it on for the last week of the pregnancy of my sister and I). I don't think she's ever called anyone on it, and has no clue on how to work any of hte features. She keeps a paper address book with her to remember the numbers. I have a mobile phone, I am 35. I use it as a back-up phone when I'm on the 'net, and generally use it to make calls when I'm out. Its good to use when meeting other people at a particular location, or for calling someone if you are inthe area and want to "drop in". I generally use it to keep all my phone numbers in one location, and occasionally use text messages but find talking on the phone easier. I have never bought a ring-tone or wallpaper. I never play its games. I didn't get the WAP enabled. My Sister-In-Law is 26. She doesnt' have a land line, relying entirely on her mobile phone. She tends to text more than call people. Each time I see her, the ring tone and wallpaper is different, as is the "face" of the phone. It seems people her age prefer the pre-paid card option rather than being on a plan. Yowie "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Equipment disruption (WAS: Re: Belive as you wish): >I have a mobile phone, I am 35. I use it as a back-up phone when I'm on the >'net, and generally use it to make calls when I'm out. Its good to use when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >talking on the phone easier. I have never bought a ring-tone or wallpaper. I >never play its games. I didn't get the WAP enabled. WAP? >My Sister-In-Law is 26. She doesnt' have a land line, relying entirely on >her mobile phone. She tends to text more than call people. Each time I see >her, the ring tone and wallpaper is different, as is the "face" of the >phone. It seems people her age prefer the pre-paid card option rather than >being on a plan. I'm your age, and am seriously considering breaking down and getting an inexpensive pre-paid (income isn't quite stable enough to be taking on service contracts) for emergencies, including calling in to let my supervisor know the train's running late and I might not make my bus connection, so might be late due to having to take a later bus (got into that mess Friday, but the bus did wait an extra few minutes past normal departure time, so I did catch the bus that got me there on time). About all I'd use it for is emergency-type situations, really (I'm not sure I'm much interested in things like text messages, and I have my PDA for address book, games, etc.). Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting > things to say about Re: Equipment disruption (WAS: Re: Belive as you [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > WAP? A connection to the Internet or something similar. > >My Sister-In-Law is 26. She doesnt' have a land line, relying entirely on > >her mobile phone. She tends to text more than call people. Each time I see [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > (I'm not sure I'm much interested in things like text messages, and I > have my PDA for address book, games, etc.). Textingis very useful when you have to send some info but don't actually need to have a conversation. Its also good when you want to send the same message to a bunch of people. Sorta like e-mail really.... Yowie > "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting > I'm your age, and am seriously considering breaking down and getting > an inexpensive pre-paid (income isn't quite stable enough to be taking [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (I'm not sure I'm much interested in things like text messages, and I > have my PDA for address book, games, etc.). I got a cell for emergencies. I got a prepaid job so that I wouldn't have to deal with contracts and yet another monthly bill. I didn't want a cell phone, but I changed my mind after having a wreck and having to go *find* someone to call 911 for us. It was late at night on an empty highway - I doubt there are 20 houses on this 30-mile stretch, and there's very little traffic that late. It took an awfully long time to find help, and it's something I certainly don't want happening again. ------ Krista Who still has nightmares about that accident > I didn't want a cell phone, but I changed my mind after having a wreck and > having to go *find* someone to call 911 for us. It was late at night on an [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ------ Krista Who still has nightmares about that accident Well, it's always possible that you could end up in an accident somewhere that has no coverage. But yeah. If I go mountain biking alone, I always carry a cell, even though in many areas there won't be coverage. I don't rely on the cell to get me out of trouble, but there's a chance it can help me if I do need help. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca [[I didn't want a cell phone, but I changed my mind after having a wreck and having to go *find* someone to call 911 for us. It was late at night on an empty highway - I doubt there are 20 houses on this 30-mile stretch, and there's very little traffic that late. It took an awfully long time to find help, and it's something I certainly don't want happening again.]] We definitely live in a time when anyone who drives and can add a cell phone to their budget in some way should have one. I got my first cell phone some years ago, after reading a hideous news story that happened in this area in the 1990s. A truck had spilled some of its contents. I forget what the debris was, but the episode happened late at night on a local highway and two cars got flat tires as the result of running over said debris. One car was operated by a woman. She had one flat tire, and changed it. The other car was operated by a male (I won't call him a MAN since I'm barely convinced he's human). That car had TWO flat tires, so he was unable to completely fix the problem or use the car. The woman, being a good Samaritan, offered the male a lift into the city (not far) so he could use a pay phone to call for assistance. Said male responded by raping the woman, forcing her to drive into the city where he made her withdraw the maximum daily amount on her ATM card, then forced her to drive BACK to the highway where they pulled off the road so he could assault her again. During the second rape, a police officer noticed the car on the shoulder of the road, stopped to see what was wrong, and caught the verminous scum in the act of rape. Said verminous scum got convicted, thank God. But I read these stories and was nauseated to think of what he did. Not long afterward, I got a cell phone, since I no longer felt safe driving alone without one. And I resolved from that day forward that should I ever be driving by myself and see someone who's in need of assistance, I'll gladly use my cell phone to call 911 for them. But I won't be getting out of the car. What a freaking world we live in. :o( Donna I have a mobile,my son gave it to me and put $30 prepaid I didn't use it more than 4 times and had to put more money in, again I didn't use it, and had to get more money in, so this time I asked the Voda-phone man why the money ran out when I didn't even use itand he told me because it was only there for a month, I said that was a rip off so only to put $20 in. He took pity on me and told me he would ring upand make it that it was in there for a year unless I used it up before a year that was a couple of months ago, I've only used it once since then, and Wilson My clever cat has used it once and rang my daughter True, honest injun, aw well it was accidental, but it happened. I'm like the other mother that never uses it,but the kids use it to ring me Jean.P. > > "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Krista > Who still has nightmares about that accident > I got a cell for emergencies. I got a prepaid job so that I wouldn't > have to deal with contracts and yet another monthly bill. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > long time to find help, and it's something I certainly don't want > happening again. <<<<<Krista>>>>> We got our cell phone last May just before going on our epic cross country ramble. We used it to coordinate with the various people we met with, in case of emergencies, and to keep Rob's family aware of where we were at all times. I plan on using it again for our trip to Toad Suck this summer. That being said, it's really nice to have to let people know that we're on the way and approximate times of arrival, have my work call me (I'm contacted for Substitute teaching jobs by a computer) when we're not at home, and have a spare phone for when two people need to be calling two different places at the same time. We never let the driver talk while driving (an invitation to an accident), do not have the internet capability hooked up, and are not too concerned with text messaging. The cell is just a handy tool, not a way of life, the way it is for some of my students. Pam S. >>I have a mobile phone, I am 35. I use it as a back-up phone when I'm on the >>'net, and generally use it to make calls when I'm out. Its good to use when [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > WAP? Allows web browsing on the cell phone. >>My Sister-In-Law is 26. She doesnt' have a land line, relying entirely on >>her mobile phone. She tends to text more than call people. Each time I see [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > (I'm not sure I'm much interested in things like text messages, and I > have my PDA for address book, games, etc.). My primary uses for my cell phone are text messaging my wife, and making Internet connections via GPRS. If I didn't have a GPRS-capable cell phone I'd have to settle for making WiFi connections from WiFi-enabled truck stops, and there are still a lot of truck stops I use that aren't offering WiFi. I personally have a very strong aversion to talking on the phone. I can manage to talk to my wife and family members, but have a horrible time getting myself to originate or answer calls to/from anyone else. Dan Dan M <dan@wolf.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Equipment disruption (WAS: Re: Belive as you wish): >I personally have a very strong aversion to talking on the phone. I can >manage to talk to my wife and family members, but have a horrible time >getting myself to originate or answer calls to/from anyone else. My husband's like that. Is this general to male techies? :-) Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > Dan M <dan@wolf.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: > Equipment disruption (WAS: Re: Belive as you wish): [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > My husband's like that. Is this general to male techies? :-) I'm not a male and I *despise* talking on the phone! Jill >Dan M <dan@wolf.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: >Equipment disruption (WAS: Re: Belive as you wish): [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >My husband's like that. Is this general to male techies? :-) I'm female, and I'm the same way. I contribute it to being a telephone operator for four really long years twenty-five years ago. Still have nightmares about that job. <shudder> L. > Dan M <dan@wolf.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: > Equipment disruption (WAS: Re: Belive as you wish): [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > My husband's like that. Is this general to male techies? :-) My DH is a computer hardware design engineer and he's the same way, as are all the guys he works with, according to their wives. -L. > I personally have a very strong aversion to talking on the phone. I can > manage to talk to my wife and family members, but have a horrible time > getting myself to originate or answer calls to/from anyone else. > > Dan Charlie is the same way. He sometimes claims my being deaf is as hard on him as it is on me. And when it comes to having to take over family telephone duty it really is. He HATES having to make all the appointments and call the drug store and all the other little phone irritations I used to shield him from. At least we are lucky in that I managed to stop most of the junk calls while I still could. Jo > >>>> Holly is telling this to me as I write it. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > certain areas. I'm guessing enough doctors said why not to get them to > reconsider. I should reemphasize that a lot of the wireless phones intended for nursing, etc., use are not general cellular phones, but Voice over IP phones that connect to low-power, super-high-frequency wireless LANs. See, for example, www.vocera.com. > Airlines are also planning to change the rules. > > Jo > This is very interesting since the use of cell phones (which are wireless) > can disrupt hospital equipment and the use of the same as well as laptops on > airplanes is restricted to specific times so as not to disrupt navigation > systems. I think it depends on the particular equipment. I had to turn off my cell phone when I was in the ER with Eric, but once he got to his own room we were allowed to use them from there. TBH, though, while the doctors and nurses appreciated us turning off our cells, they never seemed all *that* concerned. I mean, there's a sign, but they don't ask you if you have a cell when you go in, even though they ask a bazillion other questions, including whether Eric might be beaten by his spouse *grin* ... I know it's not funny in general, but the idea of me beating up on Eric ... anyway, if someone were being beaten, would they admit it with their spouse hovering next to them? Silliness, and the nurse agreed, but she was required to ask. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> This is very interesting since the use of cell phones (which are wireless) >> can disrupt hospital equipment and the use of the same as well as laptops on [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >their spouse hovering next to them? Silliness, and the nurse agreed, but she >was required to ask. Last time I was in an emergency room as a patient, I kept hearing cell phone ring tones going off, so the rule against them apparently wasn't being enforced. Since I couldn't see any of the people who were receiving calls, I can't say for sure whether they were civilians on regular phones, or medical personnel on special low-power phones. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >>> This is very interesting since the use of cell phones (which are >>> wireless) can disrupt hospital equipment and the use of the same as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> our cells, they never seemed all *that* concerned. I mean, there's >> a sign > Last time I was in an emergency room as a patient, I kept hearing cell > phone ring tones going off, so the rule against them apparently wasn't > being enforced. I don't know for sure about hospitals, but when you go in person to apply for unemployment benefits (at least at the office closest to me) there is a sign and if pagers or cell phones are going off the receptionist would stand up and yell "Can't you READ?" and point to the sign. In one instance, the person who'd gotten a call and took it outside was called while he was yakkin' out on the sidewalk and missed his chance to talk to the benefits counselor. Gotta get your priorities straight ;) Jill >>>> This is very interesting since the use of cell phones (which are >>>> wireless) can disrupt hospital equipment and the use of the same as [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jill We can always hope it was a lead on a new job - right? Jo > >>> Holly is telling this to me as I write it. > >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > airplanes is restricted to specific times so as not to disrupt navigation > systems. The electronic hazard is a function of both transmitted power level and transmission frequency. In general, the higher the frequency, the less it can penetrate skin. Wireless LANs operate at a considerably higher frequency than cell phones. Since wireless LAN access points -- the equivalent of cell towers -- are only a few hundreds of feet away at most, a wireless LAN card needs much less energy than a cell phone. Tests are ongoing about the safety of devices. I was surprised that one system that runs at a lower frequency than cell phones is routinely used in the operating rooms at Massachusetts General Hospital (a patient is MUCH more at risk for electrical hazard if their skin is broken, even by a catheter), but they are so low-power that the instruments don't even notice them. Cell phone restrictions are more "zero tolerance" in many cases than the result of a specific engineering study of their hazards. In the case of aircraft and laptops, I've never seen hard data indicating a specific hazard, but, rather, it's been a policy of "why take a risk?" > >> Interesting... I didn't know hospital rooms offered Internet access. > >> I'll > >> have to call our larger area hospitals and inquire about that. Next > >> time I > >> have surgery I might want to take a laptop with me. > > That's not at all impossible. One of my hospital clients insisted on a > > wireless LAN for patients because a hospital across town offered one. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jill I haven't been around for a few days, so I ahve NO idea what the HECK is going on here. Only what I can surmise. But as a former hospital volunteer, I can answer a couple of your queries. While I was a volunteer, an old friend was a cancer patient on my floor. She used her laptop in her room all the time. Despite the fact that hospitals have signs telling you not to use cell phones, cell phones are in fact what staff uses to communicate w/each other. All nuses, doctors, etc., carry them, & use them to call each other CONstantly. Katz in U.S. > > >> Interesting... I didn't know hospital rooms offered Internet > access. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > other. All nuses, doctors, etc., carry them, & use them to call each > other CONstantly. There are areas where a conventional cell phone, in the 800 MHz frequency band and with typical power levels, could be hazardous. Essentially, these are areas where the patient's skin can't act as an insulator, such as operating rooms, or ICUs and other places where a wire passes through the skin into or near the heart. Wireless LANs, of lower power, in the 2.4 GHz or higher frequency range, have much lower power than common cell phones, and can be used safely in such areas. There are wireless phones intended for hospital use that operate on these wireless LANs, and are NOT compatible with general cell phone networks. I am aware of some operating-room approved sensors that operate at a much lower frequency, 350 MHz or so, but are EXTREMELY low power and judged safe. It's easy to put up signs banning things, but it takes biomedical engineering knowledge, and quite possibly controlled testing, to make a real determination where a given system is or is not hazardous. >> Holly is telling this to me as I write it. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jill <---cynical Hey, I'm as cynical and suspicious as anyone. Trained as an auditor even. But yes, many hospitals now offer internet access. And posts earlier this week did indicate Holly might be home by now. Then again I think my BS detector is burnt out from dealing with two teenage grandsons and their friends. Sure, someone is dishing it out, I'm just not certain whom. And not sure I care all that much. Prayers given, like smiles cost nothing and in fact help those that offer them as much as anyone. Jo Funny how the contact us page no longer works url to forward to that page has been modified http://mwcarchitects.com/Contact%20Us.ht > Funny how the contact us page no longer works url to forward to that page > has been modified > > http://mwcarchitects.com/Contact%20Us.ht Haha. But it does if you go to one of the other links and then to contact us. Didn't cover all our bases, eh? >> Funny how the contact us page no longer works url to forward to that >> page has been modified [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Haha. But it does if you go to one of the other links and then to > contact us. Didn't cover all our bases, eh? Principals a.. Frederic H. Cox, Jr., FAIA a.. Dennis A. Craig, AIA a.. William L. Shirey, AIA a.. Kendall J. Shaw, Jr., CPA Interior Design a.. Joyce B. Smith, CID Marketing a.. Barbara Null Web Master a.. Holly Tunnell --? The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep I think we need to let this go. I'm in the position and have the evidence to probably get Holly fired if all this has indeed been a hoax (see below). But I'm not going to contact her employers, I'm not going to cause her any trouble at all. What you do is up to you, but I would ask that you don't call her employer either. Holly is in enough trouble - it may be trouble she has caused herself, but I still feel sympathy for her. If she is mentally ill, she deserves our sympathy and doesn't deserve to be fired because of it. I admit I was angry at first, but that was just wounded ego - feeling like I'd been made the fool. But, as someone else here already pointed out, realistically she didn't cost us anything more than the cost of a few cards, postage, and in the case of one really nice person here, a box of chocolates. And to the good, this situation just showcased how nice and caring the people here really are. The biggest harm she could cause is if we allow this to make us feel cynical about the next person who is in trouble and needs us. If it was a hoax (I'm even willing to continue to give her the benefit of the doubt, but only if she gives me a phone number of the hospital she's in), then I feel sorry for her and I think she needs help - I would even be willing to help her is she asks. I've dealt with depression in my past (I think I may have even written here about it), so I know that mental illness is just as "real" as a physical illness. Again, this just doesn't feel like something that was done for malicious reasons, so rather than still making me angry, it now just makes me sad. I hesitated to even write this because it may seem I'm still being complicitous, but I hope you can believe me that that's not the case, so I'll go ahead and hit "send". Hugs, CatNipped > I think we need to let this go. I'm in the position and have the evidence > to probably get Holly fired if all this has indeed been a hoax (see below). [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > CatNipped Oh I totally believe you. My only message to Holly is that she needas to realize that her actions affect other people. She also needs mental help, though I doubt she will seek it. I, too, was saddened by this whole thing more than anything else. Holly, I wish you the best. -L. > Oh I totally believe you. My only message to Holly is that she needas > to realize that her actions affect other people. She also needs mental [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -L. I too would hope she gets help. Hugs, CatNipped > I think we need to let this go. I'm in the position and have the > evidence to probably get Holly fired if all this has indeed been a > hoax (see below). I'm perfectly willing to let it go. But I do enjoy the fact that, if this was a hoax, she is squirming in her seat right now, not knowing who may or may not report her to her boss(es). I'm not calling her employer. I'm sure that they will find out about it on their own (where I worked before, it was very easy for them to read all incoming/outgoing emails, no matter to whom they were sent, and since it *is* on *thier* property, they don't need the 'user's' permission) > But I'm not going to contact her employers, I'm not going to cause > her any trouble at all. What you do is up to you, but I would ask > that you don't call her employer either. Holly is in enough trouble > - it may be trouble she has caused herself, but I still feel sympathy > for her. If she is mentally ill, she deserves our sympathy and > doesn't deserve to be fired because of it. If she is mentally ill, she's not getting any of my sympathy, expecially if she *doesn't* seek out professional assistance to help her cope. > I admit I was angry at first, but that was just wounded ego - feeling > like I'd been made the fool. But, as someone else here already [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > biggest harm she could cause is if we allow this to make us feel > cynical about the next person who is in trouble and needs us. I don't think anyone could get any more cynical than me ;). I waited 3 days before I finally made up my mind to send the card. However, I did look up the street address on MS Streets, and it appeared to be in a business district, so I wondered about that. I thought maybe it was the hospital address. I didn't try to confirm that. Do you realise how many hospitals a city the size of Richmond can have??? > If it was a hoax (I'm even willing to continue to give her the > benefit of the doubt, but only if she gives me a phone number of the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about it), so I know that mental illness is just as "real" as a > physical illness. But mental illnesses (some of them) can be faked more easily than physical ones. > Again, this just doesn't feel like something that was done for > malicious reasons, so rather than still making me angry, it now just > makes me sad. Makes me sad too, that there are people that feel they have to do things like this to get attention. I imagine that she may just feel lonely and/or isolated, if in fact she has recently moved here from Sweden. > I hesitated to even write this because it may seem I'm still being > complicitous, but I hope you can believe me that that's not the case, > so I'll go ahead and hit "send". I don't feel you're to blame in this at all, Lori. --? The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > I'm perfectly willing to let it go. But I do enjoy the fact that, if this > was a hoax, she is squirming in her seat right now, not knowing who may or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > they were sent, and since it *is* on *thier* property, they don't need the > 'user's' permission) Yeah. Most of the time an employer will ignore personal emails and other things you do that aren't "company business", but there is almost always a clause in your contract or the company handbook that says that *everything* you do on company property should be for the company's business purposes only. I once knew a person who somehow got on the "outs" with management and was eventually fired for copying his son's softball team's roster on the Xerox machine! I hope that if/when her employer finds out about this they are lenient and recommend counceling rather than disciplinary action. > If she is mentally ill, she's not getting any of my sympathy, expecially if > she *doesn't* seek out professional assistance to help her cope. Well, sometimes *part* of the mental illness is the inability/recluctance to seek help. > I don't think anyone could get any more cynical than me ;). I waited 3 days > before I finally made up my mind to send the card. However, I did look up > the street address on MS Streets, and it appeared to be in a business > district, so I wondered about that. I thought maybe it was the hospital > address. I didn't try to confirm that. Do you realise how many hospitals a > city the size of Richmond can have??? Oh, "James" had all kinds of excuses to cover all the questions - like they live in a walk-up over Holly's business!!! > But mental illnesses (some of them) can be faked more easily than physical > ones. Maybe it's not in psychiatric textbooks, but my knee-jerk reaction to that is that you would have to be mentally in order to want to fake a mental illness! ;> > Makes me sad too, that there are people that feel they have to do things > like this to get attention. I imagine that she may just feel lonely and/or > isolated, if in fact she has recently moved here from Sweden. Yeah, reflecting on the poem she wrote about Pheniox referring to herself as a sad and lonely lady - well yeah you would have to be sad and lonely in order to perpetrate something like this. As I said before, the really sad thing about all of this is that if she had just written to me and said that she was lonely and needed a friend I would have responded just as quickly and it wouldn't have had to end (actually, it still doesn't - if she would just write to me and request my help). > I don't feel you're to blame in this at all, Lori. Thank you. Hugs, CatNipped > The ONE and ONLY > lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy > former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at > nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com > http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > Yeah, reflecting on the poem she wrote about Pheniox referring to herself > as [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > CatNipped This whole episode has left me wondering if the cats even exist -- or are they a figment of an active imagination in search for sympathy, somewhat like Holly's feigned illnesses. If they do exist, I also wonder what the "real" story is behind their illnesses/injuries. MaryL >> Yeah, reflecting on the poem she wrote about Pheniox referring to herself >> as [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > MaryL Does it matter? We can't ever know. It just seems hurtful to everyone to drag this all out. Jo > I think we need to let this go. I'm in the position and have the evidence > to probably get Holly fired if all this has indeed been a hoax (see below). [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > CatNipped Perhaps this could be classified under the heading "Games People Play". Anyway, the game is over.....MLB SNIP> > Again, this just doesn't feel like something that was done for malicious > reasons, so rather than still making me angry, it now just makes me sad. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > CatNipped I don't feel like getting Holly fired. She's got to live with the mess she created as it is. And if she loses her job, it could make HER feel bitter toward us, even though she started this particular ball rolling. Not to mention that it would make it all the harder for her to get the help she needs without a regular paycheck. She took advantage of kind people and made a play for our sympathy, but in real time, she cost us very little. Maybe realizing how close she came to causing enough trouble to get fired will make her more careful in the future. I second the motion to let this drop. Melissa |
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