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Disgusted!
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CatNipped - 18 Feb 2005 21:33 GMT I don't believe some people! James told me that someone from rpch+a and recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed Holly to say some really nasty things (too disgusting to repeat here).
I was willing to give that person the benefit of the doubt, but after something like this, well....
I don't care if you don't like somebody. I don't care if you even have a long history of feuding with somebody. When that person is in the hospital, fighting for her life, you just *DON'T* send a nasty-gram to give her a little kick while she is down.
This is just the epitome of "lower than a snake's belly"! BAH!!! YUCH!!!!!
Hugs,
CatNipped
Christina Websell - 18 Feb 2005 21:43 GMT > I don't believe some people! James told me that someone from rpch+a > and recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > CatNipped Name them and shame them. They deserve it.
Tweed Tell us who they are....
jmcquown - 18 Feb 2005 21:44 GMT > I don't believe some people! James told me that someone from rpch+a > and recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately > emailed Holly to say some really nasty things (too disgusting to > repeat here). > > CatNipped That is just the lowest of low. Fer cryin' out loud! What's wrong with some people???? Hopefully this is the person I killfilled after their first post. Freak.
Jill
Shiral - 18 Feb 2005 21:45 GMT What CatNipped said! If you can't be kind, at least leave her ALONE!
Anyone who can send a poisoned e-mail under these circumstances... well, it's more of a reflection on the sender than the recipient.
Melissa (Nina arches her back and sends an emphatic Hissssssssssss)
CatNipped - 18 Feb 2005 21:55 GMT >I don't believe some people! James told me that someone from rpch+a and >recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > CatNipped Oh my. After reading Megan's post, I may have to eat my words!
Hugs,
CatNipped
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 Feb 2005 22:03 GMT > Oh my. After reading Megan's post, I may have to eat my words! Now I'm all sorts of confused. Someone's lying for sure, but I don't know who it is (and I don't have the time/inclination to figure it out).
Just goes to show that you never really know who you're dealing with online. Still, it's better to send out unnecessary purrs than not to send purrs to those in need.
 Signature monique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully
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CatNipped - 18 Feb 2005 22:11 GMT >> Oh my. After reading Megan's post, I may have to eat my words! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Still, it's better to send out unnecessary purrs than not to send purrs to > those in need. The reason I believe Megan (I tried calling the number on the web site to see if I could get Holly, but it's after hours now), is because "James" said he was picking up the mail from "home" - had originally gave this address as their home address in on of "his" emails to me. This is the address of the business listed on the web site Megan gave. "James" said he was using Holly's account at work to ftp and use her email, so the email address didn't "ding" with me.
Just goes to show, not all internet "schemes" are about getting money!
Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 Feb 2005 22:16 GMT > Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this. If this is all true, you were the one used most cruelly =/
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CatNipped - 18 Feb 2005 22:28 GMT >> Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this. > > If this is all true, you were the one used most cruelly =/ Yeah, but I deserved what I got by allowing myself to be taken in - what makes me mad is that I was taken in to the point where I was helping take others in and *THAT* makes me feel bad. I would *NEVER* do anything to hurt anyone here, and yet I was doing that by helping to perpetuate that whole elaborate lie!
Hugs,
CatNipped
Irulan - 18 Feb 2005 23:40 GMT oh well, I sent 'Holly' a box of chocolate candies, heh. I hope she is enjoying it. Lori, you didn't do anything that could be construed as perpetraiting a hoax. You were taken in as all of us were. BTW...I am curious as to how Megan found out this was a hoax? It it was, I wish I had bought that box of candy for myself, heh. Jazz & his mama
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>>> >>> Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > CatNipped Christina Websell - 19 Feb 2005 00:34 GMT >>> Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > CatNipped Repeat after me "it was all a lie and we all believed it" 20 times. It is not your fault, in fact if it had been true, you were keeping us all up to date with what we wanted to know about. Which was, at the time, Holly's brain operation, so kudos to you.
You did right, so sleep tight Tweed
Karen - 19 Feb 2005 01:02 GMT >>> Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > CatNipped What I don't get is why is this person (who knows if it is really a "Holly"?) is not just writing a novel and making some money off of it. I think we all have to agree it's a very affecting story. It is indeed sad that someone feels the need to do this. I was wondering when you first wrote about it all, how you found out and just figured you had struck up an outside email chat about it. At any rate, don't feel bad. We are all in the same boat. Kind of wish it were true, if just for the fact that it was pretty uplifting. Ah well, we all know better now. Thanks Megan, though, for the leg work. I hadn't seen Holly posting before since I don't do alt.cats. Makes me wonder what she wrote that tipped you off.
CatNipped - 19 Feb 2005 01:14 GMT This all started with a note from Holly last Friday saying that I seemed like a nice person and would it be OK if her "husband James" wrote to tell me if she didn't survive the surgery so I could relay that to the group. She said she was afraid to post the information on the group herself because she had been flamed in the past (well, now I guess we know why). I was a bit puzzled because I didn't remember anyone being mean to her in rpca - I guess right then I should have googled her to see what was what. Instead I offered to post her story and ask for purrs on her behalf. Then Monday "James" wrote to me (suspiciously soon in hindsight for brain surgery - around 9:00AM my time or 10:00AM her time) saying she made it through the surgery. And, well, it just took off from there.
As I said in another post, if I wanted to be vindictive I could probably put together all the emails "James" sent to me, send them to her employer, and have her fired. However, especially after reading the links Donna posted about "Munchausen by internet", I really think Holly is ill, but with a mental not a physical illness, and deserves pity rather than anger.
Knowing this group, I know that something like this will not cause a huge rift like it would in other groups, but I still hate being even an indirect unintentional cause of harm here - if anything, *that's* what gets me angry.
Hugs,
CatNipped
mlbriggs - 19 Feb 2005 03:03 GMT > This all started with a note from Holly last Friday saying that I seemed > like a nice person and would it be OK if her "husband James" wrote to tell [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > CatNipped Consider this: the only person she really harmed was herself. Put the things away and don't look at them unless something further occurs. MLB
Cheryl - 19 Feb 2005 03:10 GMT >> This all started with a note from Holly last Friday saying that >> I seemed like a nice person and would it be OK if her "husband [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Put the things away and don't look at them unless something > further occurs. MLB Exactly, MLB. I think Usenet things should stay on Usenet. While it may be tempting when one feels like one was made a fool of, it does no good to take it to RL.
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Melissa Houle - 19 Feb 2005 06:59 GMT > >> Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > CatNipped Lori,
Yeah, we were all taken in... but your error, if error it was, was one of excessive kindheartedness. I can't remember who said it or the precise wording, but there's a quote about preferring the errors of enthusiasm to the perfection of indifference. Better the former than the latter, I'd say. The most any of us are out is a box of candy, a little money, and a homemade get well card, here and there. It's not as if Holly induced you into helping her persuade Yowie to send the Yowlet's college fund to help pay Holly's non-existent hospital bill, right? Nor has anyone here been bilked of their life's savings. As lessons go, this one was not terribly expensive, and it hasn't produced wide-spread enmity and bitterness among the ranks, here. We owe you one, Megan. Thanks for your detective work.
As for Holly, I feel she is more to be pitied than scorned, although it was a Mount Everest of a lie she told us all. Now that I think about it, you'd think a woman who had had two brain operations in one WEEK would be feeling a little less chipper and coherent, at very least. When I read Howard's post about the nature of infections and brain surgery, it made so much sense I felt embarrassed at how easily I, too, was taken in. Holly did seem nice and genuinely cat crazy, and her posts were very much in tune with the spirit of this newsgroup. We all WANTED to believe she was a brave cancer patient who had already been through a lot of health troubles. And for all we know, her past histories with cancer might be true. Unfortunately, she's made it that much harder for herself to prove it to us all if she has.
So group hug, minimal harm done, and pass the grains of salt so that we strike a balance between being supportive to those in true need, while maintaining a healthy skepticism about taking things on face value. =o)
Melissa
Gabey8 - 18 Feb 2005 22:29 GMT I would rather send out a THOUSAND prayers and purrs that turn into an "Oops! Nevermind - no problem here!" situation, than see a person who needs the support go unsupported.
I was brought up believing that no prayer is ever wasted, that God will let it go to someone else who needs it instead. Maybe someone who HAS no one to pray for them.
So that's what I believe happened here. Either the prayers and purrs that we all sent up were needed by Holly and she got them, or else SOMEONE, somewhere who's in need got a bunch of healing purrs, prayers, and good thoughts sent in their direction. I hope whoever was on the receiving end of all that support got some real, lasting benefit from it all. That would be a fitting result, since the good thoughts from everyone were entirely heartfelt.
After the day I just had (see the "My turn to request job purrs" thread) I haven't got the energy to get mad about it. And even if I did, I wouldn't shoot the messenger, so don't feel bad for relaying the messages. I'd have done the same thing if I was in your shoes.
Donna, Captain, and Stanley
CatNipped - 18 Feb 2005 23:35 GMT > I would rather send out a THOUSAND prayers and purrs that turn into an > "Oops! Nevermind - no problem here!" situation, than see a person who [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Donna, Captain, and Stanley Donna, thank you, that was beautiful. The thought of all those undeserved purrs and prayers going to someone who did deserve them makes me feel so much better! You're absolutely right, hopefully someone out there benefited from all the good energy we generated, so maybe Holly, in the end, did some good despite herself!
Hugs,
CatNipped
Ginger-lyn Summer - 19 Feb 2005 19:33 GMT >I would rather send out a THOUSAND prayers and purrs that turn into an >"Oops! Nevermind - no problem here!" situation, than see a person who [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Donna, Captain, and Stanley I tend to agree with you, Donna. Good wishes/energy/purrs/prayers whatever are never wasted. They go where they need to go. *Someone* got the benefit, and it certainly helps me to think so.
This is indeed a sad situation. But let's all remember that, close as we are, as much of a community as we are, in every community there resides a sicko or two. It's true in "Real Life", and it's true on the Internet.
But what we do here is positive, life-affirming, and compassionate. And those are things we feel. And I hope we will continue to feel them.
Blessings,
Ginger-lyn
Seanette Blaylock - 19 Feb 2005 04:00 GMT "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Disgusted!:
>The reason I believe Megan (I tried calling the number on the web site to >see if I could get Holly, but it's after hours now), is because "James" said [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Just goes to show, not all internet "schemes" are about getting money! >Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this. Any chance you could either post or e-mail a summary of what the *real* story may be? My killfile nails enough of the parties mentioned (and I don't read any other RPC? group) that I'm really lost here. (If you choose to e-mail, just hit Reply on a newsgroup post and that should get you the unmunged version of my address. The part from @ onward is correct, the username is my first name.)
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Kreisleriana - 19 Feb 2005 00:17 GMT >I don't believe some people! James told me that someone from rpch+a and >recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >CatNipped Well, I have heard of some remarkable things on the net. I follow another group-- now pretty moribund-- but in its heyday it was a lively place-- not as high-traffic as here. And compared to some groups that were really destroyed by trolls, it was pretty laid back. But maybe once or twice a year, we'd have a "silly season" and melt down into a recurring battle royale. We *would* let the trolls win. I always *wished* we could have the discipline not to feed them, but there were too many dissenting people there to present a united front.
I came to the conclusion that I just *don't understand* a lot of stuff that goes on on the net. There is a lot of free-floating malice out there I just don't get.
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Yowie - 19 Feb 2005 00:32 GMT > I don't believe some people! James told me that someone from rpch+a and > recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > This is just the epitome of "lower than a snake's belly"! BAH!!! YUCH!!!!! *Please* don't drag another group's politics into here.
Its enough to know that Holly recieved a nasty e-mail. We can support Holly and feel pity for the person who is so mixed up they thought it was an appropriate thing to do (or send hisspits), but who it was from and how that person knew Holly is not something we need to know.
This is not a place to discuss another group's interactions. RPCA is a totally seperate place to RPCH+B and dragging the stuff that goes on in there is about as relevant as me posting about the behaviour of the people in alt.religion.wicca.moderated (we probably share as many posters with ARWM as we do with RPCH+B).
Sorry, Catnipped, I know you are utterly outraged (and with good reason, too) but for Bast's sake, I hope we don't make this into a personal crusade against a particular individual. Otherwise RPCA will stop being an oasis of goodwill and friendliess and become just like the places that we come here to retreat from.
Yowie
CatNipped - 19 Feb 2005 00:34 GMT > > I don't believe some people! James told me that someone from rpch+a and > > recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Yowie I'm sorry, you've probably read all the rest of what's going on by now - I don't know what else to say, I'm sorry.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Yowie - 19 Feb 2005 03:02 GMT > > > I don't believe some people! James told me that someone from rpch+a and > > > recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > I'm sorry, you've probably read all the rest of what's going on by now - I > don't know what else to say, I'm sorry. Yeah, have read it now. And sorry for writing a rather insensitive post before reading the whole thread. If I'd read the rest, I wouldn't have said anything.
BTW, I think everyone's reaction here is a credit to the level of caring and community feel we have on this group. That we still aren't making it a personal vendetta against anyone is testamant to the incredible people that make up this group, IMHO.
Catnipped, you've been especailly trodden on in the past few hours. You've been honourable and honest whilst feeling humilated and made a fool of. You are credit to humanity. Special hugs and purrs to you. May you always be such a caring, compassionate, honest and open person.
Yowie
CatNipped - 19 Feb 2005 00:37 GMT > > I don't believe some people! James told me that someone from rpch+a and > > recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Yowie You're right, I usually don't even lurk over there because of that, but I got outraged over this and it turns out I was the fool.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Kreisleriana - 19 Feb 2005 00:42 GMT >You're right, I usually don't even lurk over there because of that, but I >got outraged over this and it turns out I was the fool. Lori! <smack smack> Snap out of it!
You are NOT a fool, honey.
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CatNipped - 19 Feb 2005 00:48 GMT > >You're right, I usually don't even lurk over there because of that, but I > >got outraged over this and it turns out I was the fool. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You are NOT a fool, honey. Oh, I'm not trying to solicit sympathy (there's been quite enough of that here already!!), I'm just being realistic. I'm a web architect, for goodness sake, I've been working on the internet just about since there was an internet, I probably could have gotten the information Megan got, but I just didn't.
I fell for the sad story. I won't even say I was wrong to do so - I would probably do it again. I'm a soft touch when it comes to children, animals, or the wounded souls of the world.
But I was a fool for getting enraged enough to involve this group and the kind hearted people here - that's what I feel bad about.
Whenever I do something that I feel might hurt this group, however unintentionally, I feel like a giant toddler who blunders around knocking over precious heirlooms. No, I don't mean to do it, but the harm is still done. :<
Hugs,
CatNipped
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