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CatNipped - 18 Feb 2005 21:33 GMT
I don't believe some people!  James told me that someone from rpch+a and
recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed
Holly to say some really nasty things (too disgusting to repeat here).

I was willing to give that person the benefit of the doubt, but after
something like this, well....

I don't care if you don't like somebody.  I don't care if you even have a
long history of feuding with somebody.  When that person is in the hospital,
fighting for her life, you just *DON'T* send a nasty-gram to give her a
little kick while she is down.

This is just the epitome of "lower than a snake's belly"!  BAH!!!  YUCH!!!!!

Hugs,

CatNipped
Christina Websell - 18 Feb 2005 21:43 GMT
> I don't believe some people!  James told me that someone from rpch+a
> and recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately
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>
> CatNipped

Name them and shame them. They deserve it.

Tweed
Tell us who they are....
jmcquown - 18 Feb 2005 21:44 GMT
> I don't believe some people!  James told me that someone from rpch+a
> and recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately
> emailed Holly to say some really nasty things (too disgusting to
> repeat here).
>
> CatNipped

That is just the lowest of low.  Fer cryin' out loud!  What's wrong with
some people????  Hopefully this is the person I killfilled after their first
post.  Freak.

Jill
Shiral - 18 Feb 2005 21:45 GMT
What CatNipped said!  If you can't be kind, at least leave her ALONE!

Anyone who can send a poisoned e-mail under these circumstances...
well, it's more of a reflection on the sender than the recipient.

Melissa
(Nina arches her back and sends an emphatic Hissssssssssss)
CatNipped - 18 Feb 2005 21:55 GMT
>I don't believe some people!  James told me that someone from rpch+a and
>recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Oh my.  After reading Megan's post, I may have to eat my words!

Hugs,

CatNipped
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 Feb 2005 22:03 GMT
> Oh my.  After reading Megan's post, I may have to eat my words!

Now I'm all sorts of confused.  Someone's lying for sure, but I don't know who
it is (and I don't have the time/inclination to figure it out).

Just goes to show that you never really know who you're dealing with online.
Still, it's better to send out unnecessary purrs than not to send purrs to
those in need.

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CatNipped - 18 Feb 2005 22:11 GMT
>> Oh my.  After reading Megan's post, I may have to eat my words!
>
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> Still, it's better to send out unnecessary purrs than not to send purrs to
> those in need.

The reason I believe Megan (I tried calling the number on the web site to
see if I could get Holly, but it's after hours now), is because "James" said
he was picking up the mail from "home" - had originally gave this address as
their home address in on of "his" emails to me.  This is the address of the
business listed on the web site Megan gave.  "James" said he was using
Holly's account at work to ftp and use her email, so the email address
didn't "ding" with me.

Just goes to show, not all internet "schemes" are about getting money!

Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 Feb 2005 22:16 GMT
> Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this.

If this is all true, you were the one used most cruelly =/

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CatNipped - 18 Feb 2005 22:28 GMT
>> Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this.
>
> If this is all true, you were the one used most cruelly =/

Yeah, but I deserved what I got by allowing myself to be taken in - what
makes me mad is that I was taken in to the point where I was helping take
others in and *THAT* makes me feel bad.  I would *NEVER* do anything to hurt
anyone here, and yet I was doing that by helping to perpetuate that whole
elaborate lie!

Hugs,

CatNipped
Irulan - 18 Feb 2005 23:40 GMT
oh well, I sent 'Holly' a box of chocolate candies, heh. I hope she is
enjoying it. Lori, you didn't do anything that could be construed as
perpetraiting a hoax. You were taken in as all of us were.
BTW...I am curious as to how Megan found out this was a hoax?
It it was, I wish I had bought that box of candy for myself, heh.
Jazz & his mama

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>>>
>>> Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this.
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>
> CatNipped
Christina Websell - 19 Feb 2005 00:34 GMT
>>> Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Repeat after me  "it was all a lie and we all believed it"  20 times. It is
not your fault, in fact if it had been true, you were keeping us all up to
date with what we wanted to know about.  Which was, at the time, Holly's
brain operation, so kudos to you.

You did right, so sleep tight
Tweed
Karen - 19 Feb 2005 01:02 GMT
>>> Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> CatNipped

What I don't get is why is this person (who knows if it is really a
"Holly"?) is not just writing a novel and making some money off of it. I
think we all have to agree it's a very affecting story. It is indeed sad
that someone feels the need to do this. I was wondering when you first wrote
about it all, how you found out and just figured you had struck up an
outside email chat about it. At any rate, don't feel bad. We are all in the
same boat. Kind of wish it were true, if just for the fact that it was
pretty uplifting. Ah well, we all know better now. Thanks Megan, though, for
the leg work. I hadn't seen Holly posting before since I don't do alt.cats.
Makes me wonder what she wrote that tipped you off.
CatNipped - 19 Feb 2005 01:14 GMT
This all started with a note from Holly last Friday saying that I seemed
like a nice person and would it be OK if her "husband James" wrote to tell
me if she didn't survive the surgery so I could relay that to the group.
She said she was afraid to post the information on the group herself because
she had been flamed in the past (well, now I guess we know why).  I was a
bit puzzled because I didn't remember anyone being mean to her in rpca - I
guess right then I should have googled her to see what was what.  Instead I
offered to post her story and ask for purrs on her behalf.  Then Monday
"James" wrote to me (suspiciously soon in hindsight for brain surgery -
around 9:00AM my time or 10:00AM her time) saying she made it through the
surgery.  And, well, it just took off from there.

As I said in another post, if I wanted to be vindictive I could probably put
together all the emails "James" sent to me, send them to her employer, and
have her fired.  However, especially after reading the links Donna posted
about "Munchausen by internet", I really think Holly is ill, but with a
mental not a physical illness, and deserves pity rather than anger.

Knowing this group, I know that something like this will not cause a huge
rift like it would in other groups, but I still hate being even an indirect
unintentional cause of harm here - if anything, *that's* what gets me angry.

Hugs,

CatNipped
mlbriggs - 19 Feb 2005 03:03 GMT
> This all started with a note from Holly last Friday saying that I seemed
> like a nice person and would it be OK if her "husband James" wrote to tell
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>
> CatNipped

Consider this:  the only person she really harmed was herself.
Put the things away and don't look at them unless something further occurs.
MLB
Cheryl - 19 Feb 2005 03:10 GMT
>> This all started with a note from Holly last Friday saying that
>> I seemed like a nice person and would it be OK if her "husband
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> Put the things away and don't look at them unless something
> further occurs. MLB

Exactly, MLB. I think Usenet things should stay on Usenet. While it
may be tempting when one feels like one was made a fool of, it does
no good to take it to RL.

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Cheryl

Melissa Houle - 19 Feb 2005 06:59 GMT
> >> Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> CatNipped

Lori,

Yeah, we were all taken in... but your error, if error it was, was one of
excessive kindheartedness.  I can't remember who said it or the precise
wording, but there's a quote about preferring the errors of enthusiasm to
the perfection of indifference.  Better the former than the latter, I'd say.
The most any of us are out is a box of candy, a little money, and a homemade
get well card, here and there. It's not as if Holly induced you into helping
her persuade Yowie to send the Yowlet's college fund to help pay Holly's
non-existent hospital bill, right? Nor has anyone here been bilked of their
life's savings.  As lessons go, this one was not terribly expensive, and it
hasn't produced wide-spread enmity and bitterness among the ranks, here. We
owe you one, Megan. Thanks for your detective work.

As for Holly, I feel she is more to be pitied than scorned, although it was
a Mount Everest of a lie she told us all.  Now that I think about it, you'd
think a woman who had had two brain operations in one WEEK would be feeling
a little less chipper and coherent, at very least.  When I read Howard's
post about the nature of infections and brain surgery, it made so much sense
I felt embarrassed at how easily I, too, was taken in.  Holly did seem nice
and genuinely cat crazy, and her posts were very much in tune with  the
spirit of this newsgroup. We all WANTED to believe she was a brave cancer
patient who had already been through a lot of health troubles.  And for all
we know, her past histories with cancer might be true. Unfortunately, she's
made it that much harder for herself to prove it to us all if she has.

So group hug, minimal harm done, and pass the grains of salt so that we
strike a balance between being supportive to those in true need, while
maintaining a healthy skepticism about taking things on face value. =o)

Melissa
Gabey8 - 18 Feb 2005 22:29 GMT
I would rather send out a THOUSAND prayers and purrs that turn into an
"Oops! Nevermind - no problem here!" situation, than see a person who
needs the support go unsupported.

I was brought up believing that no prayer is ever wasted, that God will
let it go to someone else who needs it instead. Maybe someone who HAS no
one to pray for them.

So that's what I believe happened here. Either the prayers and purrs that
we all sent up were needed by Holly and she got them, or else SOMEONE,
somewhere who's in need got a bunch of healing purrs, prayers, and good
thoughts sent in their direction. I hope whoever was on the receiving end
of all that support got some real, lasting benefit from it all. That would
be a fitting result, since the good thoughts from everyone were entirely
heartfelt.

After the day I just had (see the "My turn to request job purrs" thread) I
haven't got the energy to get mad about it. And even if I did, I wouldn't
shoot the messenger, so don't feel bad for relaying the messages. I'd have
done the same thing if I was in your shoes.

Donna, Captain, and Stanley
CatNipped - 18 Feb 2005 23:35 GMT
> I would rather send out a THOUSAND prayers and purrs that turn into an
> "Oops! Nevermind - no problem here!" situation, than see a person who
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>
> Donna, Captain, and Stanley

Donna, thank you, that was beautiful.  The thought of all those undeserved
purrs and prayers going to someone who did deserve them makes me feel so
much better!  You're absolutely right, hopefully someone out there benefited
from all the good energy we generated, so maybe Holly, in the end, did some
good despite herself!

Hugs,

CatNipped
Ginger-lyn Summer - 19 Feb 2005 19:33 GMT
>I would rather send out a THOUSAND prayers and purrs that turn into an
>"Oops! Nevermind - no problem here!" situation, than see a person who
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>Donna, Captain, and Stanley

I tend to agree with you, Donna.  Good wishes/energy/purrs/prayers
whatever are never wasted.  They go where they need to go.  *Someone*
got the benefit, and it certainly helps me to think so.

This is indeed a sad situation.  But let's all remember that, close as
we are, as much of a community as we are, in every community there
resides a sicko or two.  It's true in "Real Life", and it's true on
the Internet.

But what we do here is positive, life-affirming, and compassionate.
And those are things we feel.  And I hope we will continue to feel
them.

Blessings,

Ginger-lyn
Seanette Blaylock - 19 Feb 2005 04:00 GMT
"CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> had some very interesting things
to say about Re: Disgusted!:

>The reason I believe Megan (I tried calling the number on the web site to
>see if I could get Holly, but it's after hours now), is because "James" said
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Just goes to show, not all internet "schemes" are about getting money!
>Again guys, I am *SO* sorry I was ever a part of this.

Any chance you could either post or e-mail a summary of what the
*real* story may be? My killfile nails enough of the parties mentioned
(and I don't read any other RPC? group) that I'm really lost here. (If
you choose to e-mail, just hit Reply on a newsgroup post and that
should get you the unmunged version of my address. The part from @
onward is correct, the username is my first name.)

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Kreisleriana - 19 Feb 2005 00:17 GMT
>I don't believe some people!  James told me that someone from rpch+a and
>recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>CatNipped

Well, I have heard of some remarkable things on the net.  I follow
another group-- now pretty moribund-- but in its heyday it was a
lively place-- not as high-traffic as here.  And compared to some
groups that were really destroyed by trolls, it was pretty laid back.
But maybe once or twice a year, we'd have a "silly season" and melt
down into  a recurring battle royale.  We *would* let the trolls win.
I always *wished*  we could have the discipline not to feed them, but
there were too many dissenting people there to present a united front.

I came to the conclusion that I just *don't understand* a lot of stuff
that goes on on the net.  There is a lot of free-floating malice out
there I just don't get.

Theresa
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Yowie - 19 Feb 2005 00:32 GMT
> I don't believe some people!  James told me that someone from rpch+a and
> recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> This is just the epitome of "lower than a snake's belly"!  BAH!!!  YUCH!!!!!

*Please* don't drag another group's politics into here.

Its enough to know that Holly recieved a nasty e-mail. We can support Holly
and feel pity for the person who is so mixed  up they thought it was an
appropriate thing to do (or send hisspits), but who it was from and how that
person knew Holly is not something we need to know.

This is not a place to discuss another group's interactions. RPCA is a
totally seperate place to RPCH+B and dragging the stuff that goes on in
there is about as relevant as me posting about the behaviour of the people
in alt.religion.wicca.moderated (we probably share as many posters with ARWM
as we do with RPCH+B).

Sorry, Catnipped, I know you are utterly outraged (and with good reason,
too) but for Bast's sake, I hope we don't make this into a personal crusade
against a particular individual. Otherwise RPCA will stop being an oasis of
goodwill and friendliess and become just like the places that we come here
to retreat from.

Yowie
CatNipped - 19 Feb 2005 00:34 GMT
> > I don't believe some people!  James told me that someone from rpch+a and
> > recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Yowie

I'm sorry, you've probably read all the rest of what's going on by now - I
don't know what else to say, I'm sorry.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Yowie - 19 Feb 2005 03:02 GMT
> > > I don't believe some people!  James told me that someone from rpch+a and
> > > recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
> I'm sorry, you've probably read all the rest of what's going on by now - I
> don't know what else to say, I'm sorry.

Yeah, have read it now. And sorry for writing a rather insensitive post
before reading the whole thread. If I'd read the rest, I wouldn't have said
anything.

BTW, I think everyone's reaction here is a credit to the level of caring and
community feel we have on this group. That we still aren't making it a
personal vendetta against anyone is testamant to the incredible people that
make up this group, IMHO.

Catnipped, you've been especailly trodden on in the past few hours. You've
been honourable and honest whilst feeling humilated and made a fool of. You
are credit to humanity. Special hugs and purrs to you. May you always be
such a caring, compassionate, honest and open person.

Yowie
CatNipped - 19 Feb 2005 00:37 GMT
> > I don't believe some people!  James told me that someone from rpch+a and
> > recently this group, I'm not going to mention the name, privately emailed
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Yowie

You're right, I usually don't even lurk over there because of that, but I
got outraged over this and it turns out I was the fool.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Kreisleriana - 19 Feb 2005 00:42 GMT
>You're right, I usually don't even lurk over there because of that, but I
>got outraged over this and it turns out I was the fool.

Lori!
<smack smack>
Snap out of it!

You are NOT a fool, honey.  

Theresa
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CatNipped - 19 Feb 2005 00:48 GMT
> >You're right, I usually don't even lurk over there because of that, but I
> >got outraged over this and it turns out I was the fool.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> You are NOT a fool, honey.

Oh, I'm not trying to solicit sympathy (there's been quite enough of that
here already!!), I'm just being realistic.  I'm a web architect, for
goodness sake, I've been working on the internet just about since there was
an internet, I probably could have gotten the information Megan got, but I
just didn't.

I fell for the sad story.  I won't even say I was wrong to do so - I would
probably do it again.  I'm a soft touch when it comes to children, animals,
or the wounded souls of the world.

But I was a fool for getting enraged enough to involve this group and the
kind hearted people here - that's what I feel bad about.

Whenever I do something that I feel might hurt this group, however
unintentionally, I feel like a giant toddler who blunders around knocking
over precious heirlooms.  No, I don't mean to do it, but the harm is still
done.  :<

Hugs,

CatNipped

> Theresa
> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
 
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