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Mary - 18 Feb 2005 00:40 GMT
Hi folks!

I am a regular reader of this group, but generally do not
post here because I was around way back when this group was
formed, and I respect your wish to have a warm and fuzzy
place to share kitty things. I don't plan on posting here
after this for the same reason.

Understand, though, that heavy-handed tactics such as the
ones Usenet Lynnie uses with anyone she does not like,
specifically complaining to ISPs about TOS violations
that just have not happened, tends to open a nasty
can of worms for everyone.

Usenet, including this group, is a global,unmoderated forum.
You may wish for a group to be a certain way, but you cannot
enforce that wish. Even here.

And netcops never, ever win.

Purrs to all your kitties, hope you went to look at mine.
I will be over in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, keeping the
world safe from the Lynnies of the world.

                          ~Peace~

                           Mary Smith
CatNipped - 18 Feb 2005 01:00 GMT
.
> Hi folks!
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> place to share kitty things. I don't plan on posting here
> after this for the same reason.

Why?  Don't you have any warm and fuzzy things you can share with us about
your owners?

> Understand, though, that heavy-handed tactics such as the
> ones Usenet Lynnie uses with anyone she does not like,
> specifically complaining to ISPs about TOS violations
> that just have not happened, tends to open a nasty
> can of worms for everyone.

On this issue, I have to agree with you.  The old, "I may not agree with
what you say but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it"
thing.

*However*, there are *thousands* of places and newsgroups on the net where
people flame each other, vent their spleen, and act totally barbaric and
cruel to each other.  There no shortage of places like that to be found if
that's what you like to do.

This little corner of the usenet world is a haven, a place where people
*LIKE* each other and *LOVE* each others furry little owners.  This is a
place where we *HELP* each other (there's been many a kitty here whose vet
bills have been paid by total strangers - and even a plane fare purchased
for someone who desperately needed to be with their family over the
holidays).  This is totally unheard of anywhere else on the 'net that I know
if.

Here is where I come when the world has been kicking me around, my boss has
screamed at me, and I'm feeling depressed.  Here is where I come when I am
sick at heart over the cruelty in the world, the abuse to babies or animals
that has become just too much for me to bear on my own any longer.

I would hate for this group to become like all the rest - we already have
all the rest if we feel like being contentious.  This place is special, this
place is even a little bit magic.

> Usenet, including this group, is a global,unmoderated forum.
> You may wish for a group to be a certain way, but you cannot
> enforce that wish. Even here.

No, this is where you're wrong.  There's all kinds of enforcement.  One form
of enforcement is just plain ignoring what we don't want here (or better yet
using it to share recipes).  When it comes down to it, flamers and troll
just want attention and they go away pretty quickly when they don't get it.

> And netcops never, ever win.
>
> Purrs to all your kitties, hope you went to look at mine.
> I will be over in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, keeping the
> world safe from the Lynnies of the world.

Purrs back at yours, and I did go look at the pics of your kitties, they're
adorable (especially the little tuxedo with the spotted nose!).

Hugs,

CatNipped

>                            ~Peace~
>
>                             Mary Smith
Cheryl - 18 Feb 2005 01:06 GMT
On Thu 17 Feb 2005 07:40:23p, Mary wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
(news:aHlwYXRpYQ==.5b385eafb8994a2a9495cb310d551483@
1108687223.nulluser.com):

> Hi folks!
>
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>
>                             Mary Smith

Gawd you're just so full of yourself. In my mind you are a very
small person with a very big head. Like a caricature.

Mary Smith indeed. Your only point in posting here in the first
place was to bait. Ignoring someone lying about me is not going to
happen with me, I don't care where it is. I'm glad you're leaving.
Good riddance. Go play in health and behavior. At least you have
slurpers there.

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Victor Martinez - 18 Feb 2005 02:04 GMT
> Usenet, including this group, is a global,unmoderated forum.
> You may wish for a group to be a certain way, but you cannot
> enforce that wish. Even here.

Oh yes we can. We've been doing it for years. :)

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Yoj - 18 Feb 2005 02:31 GMT
> > Usenet, including this group, is a global,unmoderated forum.
> > You may wish for a group to be a certain way, but you cannot
> > enforce that wish. Even here.
>
> Oh yes we can. We've been doing it for years. :)

Yup.  Killfiles are great tools.  Ignoring works pretty well too.

Joy
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 Feb 2005 05:21 GMT
> Yup.  Killfiles are great tools.  Ignoring works pretty well too.

With apologies to Axl Rose and anyone who reads this, with all the talk of
killfiling plus a fortuitous random selection by my iPod, this got stuck in my
head ....

I used to love her ....
(oooh yeah)
But I had to killfile her
I used to love her ....
(awwwww yah)
But I had to killfile her
She b*tched so much
She drove me nuts!
And now we're happier this waayayayayayayah ...

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OU812? - 18 Feb 2005 05:44 GMT
>>Yup.  Killfiles are great tools.  Ignoring works pretty well too.
>
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> She drove me nuts!
> And now we're happier this waayayayayayayah ...

rofl... one of my favorite guns and roses songs.. and put to such good use!

Kristy
mlbriggs - 18 Feb 2005 06:00 GMT
>> Yup.  Killfiles are great tools.  Ignoring works pretty well too.
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> She drove me nuts!
> And now we're happier this waayayayayayayah ...

I keep thinking about a nursery rhyme about two
cats of Kilkenny.  Does anyone know it?  MLB
Karen - 18 Feb 2005 11:33 GMT
>>> Yup.  Killfiles are great tools.  Ignoring works pretty well too.
>>
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> I keep thinking about a nursery rhyme about two
> cats of Kilkenny.  Does anyone know it?  MLB

There once were two cats of Kilkenny,
Each thought there was one cat too many,
So they fought and they fit,
And they scratched and they bit,
Till, excepting their nails
And the tips of their tails,
Insteads of two cats, there weren't any

Wow. You are right MLB.
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 Feb 2005 15:41 GMT
>> I keep thinking about a nursery rhyme about two
>> cats of Kilkenny.  Does anyone know it?  MLB
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>
> Wow. You are right MLB.

Good point.

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mlbriggs - 18 Feb 2005 18:57 GMT
>>>> Yup.  Killfiles are great tools.  Ignoring works pretty well too.
>>>
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>
> Wow. You are right MLB.

I remember my Grandfather telling me this one when I was about 12 years
old.  He also had a plaque on the wall which read:   "Whichever way the
wind doeth blow, some heart is glad to have it so.  So blow it East or
blow it West, the way it blows, that way is best".   MLB
Yoj - 18 Feb 2005 07:30 GMT
> > Yup.  Killfiles are great tools.  Ignoring works pretty well too.
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> She drove me nuts!
> And now we're happier this waayayayayayayah ...

LOL!

Joy
Yowie - 18 Feb 2005 03:48 GMT
.
> Hi folks!
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> place to share kitty things. I don't plan on posting here
> after this for the same reason.

You are more than welcome to share warm and fuzzy kitty things. You always
have been.

> Understand, though, that heavy-handed tactics such as the
> ones Usenet Lynnie uses with anyone she does not like,
> specifically complaining to ISPs about TOS violations
> that just have not happened, tends to open a nasty
> can of worms for everyone.

I, and probably the rest of the group, don't give a fig what happens on
other groups. Dragging other group's politics into this one does neither
group justice.

> Usenet, including this group, is a global,unmoderated forum.
> You may wish for a group to be a certain way, but you cannot
> enforce that wish. Even here.
>
> And netcops never, ever win.

Unfortunately, I think you've missed the point of RPCA. We're not just
nameless faceless handles posting words up for other people to read. The
relationships formed here are as much in Real Life as they are in
cyberspace.  This isn't *just* a global, unmoderated forum, it is a
*community*, and we act as such.

> Purrs to all your kitties, hope you went to look at mine.
> I will be over in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, keeping the
> world safe from the Lynnies of the world.

Any anecdotes you might want to share about your kitties will always be
welcome here. As are Lyn's, Cheryl's and Karen's and anyone elses for that
matter. We place nice here, and if you can't keep your personal diagreements
with other people to yourself, then this probably isn't the group for you.
There are bazillions of other NGs that you'd probably enjoy, all we ask is
that you let us enjoy our little bit of cyberspace in peace.

Yowie
Shiral - 18 Feb 2005 04:21 GMT
All I can tell you is,  I came to this group because I love cats, and
want to talk to other cat lovers.  I joined this community and have
stayed with it because I discovered the people posting here were also
friendly and fun in addition to being as nuts about cats as I am.

I don't think anybody here is trying to be a policeman or woman.  But
we want RPCA to remain the friendly, relaxed group it is now. We
understand that usenet is not moderated, but shouldn't the general will
of the participants of any given forum count, as far as how topics are
discussed?  Perhaps that isn't your style, and that's fine. Groups that
argue and flame one another  more than they talk about the subject(s)
at hand aren't my style, as it happens.  I'd be sorry to see this Forum
degenerate into that kind of News Group.  If it were to happen, I'd
leave, however regretfully.

Melissa
Yoj - 18 Feb 2005 07:29 GMT
> All I can tell you is,  I came to this group because I love cats, and
> want to talk to other cat lovers.  I joined this community and have
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Melissa

If all of us who like the group the way it is killfile anyone who tries to
start a flame war, we can keep it the way it is.

Joy
Gabey8 - 18 Feb 2005 17:42 GMT
[[If all of us who like the group the way it is killfile anyone who tries
to
start a flame war, we can keep it the way it is.

Joy]]

That's the thing I love about this group. Flame-bait posts get responded
to with recipes or with nothing at all. I wish EVERY discussion forum I
belong to had the willpower to respond that way.

Fortunately, most of the other forums are web-based discussion boards, and
if a poster steps TOO far out of line, the board's admin steps in and
deletes posts and/or prevents troublemakers from posting anymore.

Debates = OK. There are bound to be topics where people have differing
opinions. Attacks = NOT OK. That's where the admins on those web-based
boards draw the line, and that appears to be where this group draws the
line, as well. Hence all the fun recipes that crop up now and again.

Donna, and Captain and Stanley who are wondering where the kitty treat
recipes are
Monique Y. Mudama - 18 Feb 2005 18:57 GMT
> Debates = OK. There are bound to be topics where people have differing
> opinions. Attacks = NOT OK. That's where the admins on those web-based
> boards draw the line, and that appears to be where this group draws the
> line, as well. Hence all the fun recipes that crop up now and again.

The trouble with moderation is that a lot of moderators have god complexes, or
acquire them over time.

I much prefer unmoderated, which unfortunately means some bad eggs will make
their best effort to disrupt the proceedings.  But overall I prefer it.  I
just web boards would let you "killfile" certain posters =P

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Yoj - 18 Feb 2005 20:01 GMT
> [[If all of us who like the group the way it is killfile anyone who tries
> to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> to with recipes or with nothing at all. I wish EVERY discussion forum I
> belong to had the willpower to respond that way.

So do I!  One of my favorite groups periodically erupts into a flame war
over politics, whether U.S. or worldwide.  I have to mark whole threads as
read, and sometimes there isn't much left.  And some of the participants are
people who are really nice most of the time.  It's sad.

I like the recipe idea.

Joy
Yowie - 18 Feb 2005 20:55 GMT
> > [[If all of us who like the group the way it is killfile anyone who tries
> > to
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> I like the recipe idea.

We've taken a leaf out of our cat's books. After all, is there any here
among us who has not been very pointedly ignored by a kitty who is Not Happy
with us?

Yowie
L. (usenetlyn) - 18 Feb 2005 21:06 GMT
> We've taken a leaf out of our cat's books. After all, is there any here
> among us who has not been very pointedly ignored by a kitty who is Not Happy
> with us?
>
> Yowie

LOL...cute....and *so* true!! :)

I should probably apologize to the group for the troll following me
over here.  Evidently I my non-responsiveness to her there prompted her
to seek me out elsewhere.  I'm glad this group knows how to handle it.

-L.
Adrian - 19 Feb 2005 16:48 GMT
>>> [[If all of us who like the group the way it is killfile anyone who
>>> tries to
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Yowie

LOL, I can just imagine giving trolls the ear. ;-)
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Seanette Blaylock - 19 Feb 2005 21:03 GMT
"Adrian" <anca@bigfoot.com> had some very interesting things to say
about Re: Back to Lurking! [Was, Introduction]:

>> We've taken a leaf out of our cat's books. After all, is there any
>> here among us who has not been very pointedly ignored by a kitty who
>> is Not Happy with us?
>LOL, I can just imagine giving trolls the ear. ;-)

Or the tail. :-)

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Tanada - 20 Feb 2005 22:24 GMT
> LOL, I can just imagine giving trolls the ear. ;-)

Several of our cats would have followed the trolls around to give them
the butt.

Pam S. remembering Diamond, a major butt contributor
Shiral - 18 Feb 2005 20:05 GMT
Killfiling works for me. =o)  Although I was most directly responding
to Mary.  First time I've ever seen somebody leave a newsgroup that was
too friendly.  I've left more than one because I didn't like the
general tone of hostility and suspicion toward newbies.  I liked THIS
group right away.  =o)

Melissa
PatM - 19 Feb 2005 22:50 GMT
"All I can tell you is,  I came to this group because I love cats, and
want to talk to other cat lovers.  I joined this community and have
stayed with it because I discovered the people posting here were also
friendly and fun in addition to being as nuts about cats as I am."

Amen!  I like this group just the way it is! :)  JMHO
PatM observing everything from her little corner....
 
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