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Helen Miles - 06 Feb 2005 20:31 GMT
I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
of asignments and exam papers. I'm currently in the middle of a 70 job
lot as the students have had their end of semester exams. It's a
particularly frustrating exercise because I have to give positive
feedback even when the student clearly has no grasp of what they are
supposed to have learned in the course.

Anyway, HRFL Tiger is most put out that I have to pay attention to the
exam papers instead of him. So he did what I've been wanting to do all
day. He threw up a hairball over them. GO TIGER!

Quite what I'll say to the chief examiner about it I have yet to decide,
but I feel sure I'll think of something!

Helen M (Very frustrated and fed up of marking)
Helen C Simmons - 06 Feb 2005 21:29 GMT
>I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
> university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> feedback even when the student clearly has no grasp of what they are
> supposed to have learned in the course.

Heh - I've been doing the same thing... and I wonder - do we have the same
students?? I was teaching Excel. One of the things I had to cover was to get
them to be able to do *basic* calculations utilising some easy data. Oh
dear, oh dear, oh dear. Considering they are all supposed to have GCSE
Maths, I was shocked by some of the lack of basic multiplication & division
skills.

> Anyway, HRFL Tiger is most put out that I have to pay attention to the
> exam papers instead of him. So he did what I've been wanting to do all
> day. He threw up a hairball over them. GO TIGER!

Mine only got as far as a paw print on a feedback form I'm pleased to say
;-)

> Quite what I'll say to the chief examiner about it I have yet to decide,
> but I feel sure I'll think of something!
>
> Helen M (Very frustrated and fed up of marking)

I know that feeling.

Cheers, helen s
Howard Berkowitz - 06 Feb 2005 21:48 GMT
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<034bd337bc0633e00fb973bbb7e97ac4.76411@mygate.mailgate.org>, "Helen
Miles" <helen.miles@virgin.net> wrote:

> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
> university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Helen M (Very frustrated and fed up of marking)

When I was going through the galley proofs of one of my books, Clifford
(RB) quite carefully aimed a hairball at two chapters. Calling the
managing editor at the publisher to ask for new cover pages, at least,
she explained that she was used to such from her three editorial
assistants, and, if I had no corrections for the pages in question, not
to worry about it.
Yowie - 06 Feb 2005 22:48 GMT
> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
> university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> feedback even when the student clearly has no grasp of what they are
> supposed to have learned in the course.

Why on earth do you have to give positive feedback if their work is crap? Or
has the education system gone all PC since I was in school (and often got a
bollocking from the teachers if my work wasn't the absolute best I could do)

> Anyway, HRFL Tiger is most put out that I have to pay attention to the
> exam papers instead of him. So he did what I've been wanting to do all
> day. He threw up a hairball over them. GO TIGER!

At least HRFL Tiger knows how to tell it like it is :-) Go Tiger!!!

Changing the subject slightly (sorry), my Sister-In-Law applied and got
through the first round of "Big Brother" the TV show. One of the myriad of
extremely personal questions she had to answer was "What does a relative
that isn't a parent or sibling think of you?" Since she has no other
relatives she could easily contact besides me that fit that description, she
asked me to describe her, and to be honest about it. This proved difficult,
because she had to read my answer. It took me a long time to come up with
this description, but I was quite pleased with it:

   Very much her own person, she knows her own mind. _____ has a unique
   outlook on life and is willing to do what it takes to acheive her
   aims. She thrives on the company of others and makes a great first
   impression. _____ can be very gregarious when the mood takes her, and
   she meets life challenges head on. Assertive and resourceful, she is
   always interesting to be around.

I was most disspointed that it didn't end up being used (she said that she
thought I thought she was hard working, honest and generous. *snort*)

Yowie
Helen Miles - 06 Feb 2005 22:53 GMT

> Why on earth do you have to give positive feedback if their work is crap? Or
> has the education system gone all PC since I was in school (and often got a
> bollocking from the teachers if my work wasn't the absolute best I could do)//

They're all into this "Constructive critism" crap. One exam paper is so
utterly abysmal, I've just put a great big "F" on the front and written
"This is so bad, I can't even mark it!"

The projects they had to do had to explore conservation & ecological
theory to save a species. I know that I managed to convey what i wanted
in the report, as some of the projects are down-right spectacular and
one guy did one on Sumatran Tigers that littery blew me away it was that
good. (I've nomintaed him for the school prize). The problems is, I
would dearly like to write on others "Maybe it would help if you didn't
parrot large tracts of text back at me from the book I recommended, and
by the way you still know f*ck-all", but somehow I don't think that
would be construed as constructive! ;o)

Tiger definitely had the right idea!

Helen M
Seanette Blaylock - 06 Feb 2005 23:23 GMT
"Helen Miles" <helen.miles@virgin.net> had some very interesting
things to say about Re: Oh dear...but i do agree ;o):

>They're all into this "Constructive critism" crap. One exam paper is so
>utterly abysmal, I've just put a great big "F" on the front and written
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>would be construed as constructive! ;o)
>Tiger definitely had the right idea!

I hope it was one of the really bad ones he commented on. :-)

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Karen Chuplis - 07 Feb 2005 02:47 GMT
>> Why on earth do you have to give positive feedback if their work is crap? Or
>> has the education system gone all PC since I was in school (and often got a
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Helen M

If their work is too bad, I just usually suggest that maybe they aren't
ready to take this class at this time. Generally, I suggest they go through
the English courses first since ours is writing intensive. What irks me is
when I get complaints about "too much writing". My class is probably the
LEAST writing intensive of classes that revolves around essays. Wait till
they have to do some other classes!
Karen Chuplis - 07 Feb 2005 02:45 GMT
>> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
>> university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Yowie

Keep us updated!! Is it an Aussie version or the one here in the US. I'd
watch it if I knew someone I knew knew someone who was on it.
Yowie - 07 Feb 2005 05:29 GMT
> >> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
> >> university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> Keep us updated!! Is it an Aussie version or the one here in the US. I'd
> watch it if I knew someone I knew knew someone who was on it.

Its an Aussie version, but from what I can tell, its pretty much the same
idea. I'd watch if my SIL was on it, well, the highlights anyway (I wouldn't
watch the 24/7 web cams) but so far, I have had no interest in it
whatsoever. I'm not really into this "Reality TV". Mostly I watch
documentaries on Discovery Science or the History Channel.

Yowie
jmcquown - 07 Feb 2005 05:39 GMT
>>>> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a
>>>> local university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion
>>>> the marking of asignments and exam papers.

>>> Why on earth do you have to give positive feedback if their work is
>>> crap?
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Yowie

I hear ya.  I hate some of the "reality" stuff they come up with.  Want
reality?  Come clean my kitchen and take care of my pets and pay my bills ;)
I've never *ever* watched an episode of 'Survivor'.  When I was working some
co-workers could spend all day just rehashing what happened and who got
"voted off" or who should have been.

I have caught a few episodes of 'The Apprentice' but I doubt seriously I'll
be working for Donald Trump any time soon so it doesn't have much appeal.
OTOH, hmmm, maybe I should send him a resume LOL

Jill
Magic Mood Jeep? - 07 Feb 2005 13:34 GMT
>>>>> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a
>>>>> local university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> Jill

I'd worry if I worked for Trump - doesn't he file for bankruptcy every other
year????

A nearby county, whose main indutry is tourism (which is slowly dwindling),
recently voted to actually have a casino built.  They took bid offers from
different companies, and of course Trump was one of them - so was Larry Bird
(of Boston Celtics fame).  People argued that a "home-town" company (Bird's)
should get the bid, but others argued for Trump as he has more 'casino
experiance'.  Trump won.  The next week he was filing for bankruptcy.

Now that county is wondering if there's going to be a casino after all.

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Karen - 07 Feb 2005 14:37 GMT
> >>>> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a
> >>>> local university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> Jill

I don't understand Survivor.
Kreisleriana - 07 Feb 2005 14:47 GMT
>> >>>> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a
>> >>>> local university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>>
>I don't understand Survivor.

All of reality TV can be boiled down to a simple sentence: There are
people who will do anything to be on TV.

I remember how the very funny Wayne Brady disapprovingly characterized
it:  "Kill your Best Friend for a Million Dollars."  ;)

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Yowie - 07 Feb 2005 23:09 GMT
<about reality tv>

> I don't understand Survivor.

Its a soap, but has untrained actors in the lead roles, and only has a plot
script rather than a dialogue script. All "Reality TV" shows are soaps.

They are, effectively, Live Action Role Playing (LARPing) at its lowest.

Yowie
Cheryl - 08 Feb 2005 02:28 GMT
> I don't understand Survivor.

I understand Survivor, and it's the only reality show I like (other
than The Osbournes just for the entertainment value) but what I
really don't get is Fear Factor. Ugh.

Oh, and I like Surreal Life, also for the entertainment value. And I
must say that Peter Brady turned into a hunk. :)

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Tish Silberbauer - 07 Feb 2005 10:05 GMT
>Its an Aussie version, but from what I can tell, its pretty much the same
>idea. I'd watch if my SIL was on it, well, the highlights anyway (I wouldn't
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Yowie

Crikey, *I'd* watch it if your SIL was on it, but I don't think I
could watch it all the way through.  I liked your honest comment on
your SIL - you are the very soul of tact and diplomacy;
congratulations!  

Tish (who has given up on trying to catch up with all the posts,
sorry)
Karen - 07 Feb 2005 14:37 GMT
> > >> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
> > >> university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>
> Yowie

Well, of the reality shows I"ve seen BB is interesting in a way but it's
something (IMO) to have on in the background. It wouldn't hurt my feelings
one bit if "reality TV" bit the big one.
Chris Havlicek - 06 Feb 2005 23:16 GMT
> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
> university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Helen M (Very frustrated and fed up of marking)

Heh....knowing Tiger's track record, I'm surprised he didn't spray
them instead...;)  Or perhaps that's his method of claiming turf,
and he doesn't *want* to claim the papers...;)

I know some of the lab reports I had to grade were fairly abyssmal.
We actually told the students exactly what we wanted in the report,
and some of them *still* didn't put those items in.  It was a "core"
class, so a lot of non-majors and first year students were taking it,
but still...if you're given the outline of what's supposed to go in
to the report (intro, specific data tables, etc.), you should at least
be able to make sure all the components are there, regardless of how
well formulated they are.

We actually offered time for rewrites.  Some students *still* left
things out.  And I took points off if they obviously didn't read my
overall comments in the first "draft", even where I didn't dock points
the first time.  No-one got full credit, but I was easier on them than
the person who taught the first lab section...;)

Loved the teaching.  Grading....eh....well, it *was* nice to see some
of the students obviously "getting it" or showing marked improvement..

Purrs that you survive your frustrations -

Chris, Tripper, Katie (who loved helping), and Hazard
Helen Miles - 06 Feb 2005 23:32 GMT
> Heh....knowing Tiger's track record, I'm surprised he didn't spray
> them instead...;)  Or perhaps that's his method of claiming turf,
> and he doesn't *want* to claim the papers...;

He tried. Trust me, he tried! Fortunately, he didn't succeed, thank
Bast.

> We actually offered time for rewrites.  Some students *still* left
> things out.  And I took points off if they obviously didn't read my
> overall comments in the first "draft", even where I didn't dock points
> the first time.  No-one got full credit, but I was easier on them than
> the person who taught the first lab section...;)

These students are like blocks of wood (well some of them). In my first
lecture, i was talking about hybridisation and had a picture of a
kangaroo humping a sheep. Not one student cracked a laugh. It was like
extracting teeth!
I've got to the stage where I skim read the papers, and if they look
vaguely interesting and have some facts I didn't know, I read them
properly. Otherwise, I look for the main points, and if they're mostly
all there I give a random mark in the 50's/low 60's. They get second
checked anyway.

> Loved the teaching.  Grading....eh....well, it *was* nice to see some
> of the students obviously "getting it" or showing marked improvement..

After a couple of lectures, the teaching became a lot of fun and I goit
some really positive course feedback.

> Purrs that you survive your frustrations -

Thanks :) And HRFL Tiger is helping enormously ;o)

Helen M
Tish Silberbauer - 07 Feb 2005 10:09 GMT
Go Tiger!  
I love teaching tertiary (university) students, but the grading still
sucks.  Still, every now and then you get the joy of watching a
previously-clueless student with the light of understanding suddenly
dawn in their eyes (and exam papers).  It's an amazing feeling knowing
that you've taught in such a way that a few of the students will
subsequently look at their world differently.  For what it's worth, my
teaching has been in undergraduate and postgraduate ecology,
evolution, entomology and conservation.

Tish

>> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
>> university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>>
>> Helen M (Very frustrated and fed up of marking)
Victor Martinez - 07 Feb 2005 02:37 GMT
> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
> university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
> of asignments and exam papers. I'm currently in the middle of a 70 job

Oh yeah. Grading exams, homeworks and papers sucks! I once was the
teaching assitant to a class of 100 college freshmen. Not fun!

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Karen Chuplis - 07 Feb 2005 02:43 GMT
> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
> university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> feedback even when the student clearly has no grasp of what they are
> supposed to have learned in the course.

Completely sympathize with you there.  60 or so a week art essays. Although,
many really do pick it up well, but some......egad.

> Anyway, HRFL Tiger is most put out that I have to pay attention to the
> exam papers instead of him. So he did what I've been wanting to do all
> day. He threw up a hairball over them. GO TIGER!

ROFL! The advantages of online teaching is no physical papers to be puked
on.

> Quite what I'll say to the chief examiner about it I have yet to decide,
> but I feel sure I'll think of something!
>
> Helen M (Very frustrated and fed up of marking)
Marina - 07 Feb 2005 05:47 GMT
> Anyway, HRFL Tiger is most put out that I have to pay attention to the
> exam papers instead of him. So he did what I've been wanting to do all
> day. He threw up a hairball over them. GO TIGER!

LOL! I used to teach some courses at uni, too, and the marking is the
worst bit. Fortunately, neither Frank nor Nikki ever made quite such a
visible statement of disgust. The worst they would do was lie on top of
the papers and cover them with cat hair. I could only hope the students
weren't allergic, because I had to hand the papers back to them after
marking them.

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Jeanette - 07 Feb 2005 15:56 GMT
> I recently have been doing some teaching of Bachelor stuents at a local
> university. I enjoy the teaching, but *HATE* with a passion the marking
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Helen M (Very frustrated and fed up of marking)

I had a pile of essays to mark once, and Izzi peed all over them. I
photocopied them and marked the photocopies. I did offer the originals back
to the students, but they all politely declined, oddly enough. I don't know
how it would work with exams though. Good luck :D

Jeanette
SUQKRT - 08 Feb 2005 21:07 GMT
>Quite what I'll say to the chief examiner about it I have yet to decide, but I
feel sure I'll think of something!

>Helen M (Very frustrated and fed up of mar

The cat ate your homework?
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Marina - 09 Feb 2005 04:16 GMT
>>Quite what I'll say to the chief examiner about it I have yet to decide, but I
>
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> The cat ate your homework?
> Suz

I once actually had to say the cat threw up on my essay. And it was
true. :o/

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