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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / February 2005The Hillbilly at Petco
So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" That obvious, huh? And he proceeds to question me about whether a Siamese cat would be a well-behaved cat, or is it true that they are high-strung? And what *would* be a good, gentle cat to adopt that wouldn't destroy things? And on and on. "Depends on the individual personality of the cat" was repeated by me several times. Then I mention the "D" word. That declawed cats often have behavioral issues. He insists he wants his furniture in one piece. I sigh, decide that this personality won't hear the mutilation argument, and decide to focus on ways to encourage appropriate scratching. I'm happily standing next to all the cat furniture, so I can point out the various surfaces, and explain to him how to train a cat to use them, that cats prefer different surfaces, the height should be tall enough for the cat to stretch, etc. After a few more odd questions, he thanks me and leaves. Do I *look* like a cat encyclopedia???? Ginger-lyn > So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a > guy stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Ginger-lyn It's great that you had the opportunity to educate, and what he does with it you'll probaby never know. :( I hope that he uses what you said and doesn't go the declaw route. And yes, you look like a cat encyclopedia to me! lol ;)  SignatureCheryl > So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy > stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Ginger-lyn I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas is going to pass the "no declaw" law soon - thank the powers that be - I just wish the rest of the country would catch up to civilization and outlaw it too! Hugs, CatNipped >> So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy >> stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > CatNipped Texas? Wow. I'm impressed. I'm also glad. > I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas is going to > pass the "no declaw" law soon - thank the powers that be - I just wish the > rest of the country would catch up to civilization and outlaw it too! Where can I get a copy of that law so that I can send it in to my state legislators? Pam S. who hates declawing > > I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas is going to > > pass the "no declaw" law soon - thank the powers that be - I just wish the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pam S. who hates declawing I'd send one in, too. Christine > > I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas is going to > > pass the "no declaw" law soon - thank the powers that be - I just wish the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pam S. who hates declawing I didn't do an extensive search yet, so I don't have the wording of the law, but here is a good site for faqs, resources, etc. http://www.pawproject.com/ Hugs, CatNipped > > > I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas is going > to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > CatNipped Sorry, I sent the wrong link: http://www.cbel.com/cat_issues/?order=theme&setcols=4 Hugs, CatNipped > > I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas is going to > > pass the "no declaw" law soon - thank the powers that be - I just wish the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pam S. who hates declawing Here's an even better link: http://www.declaw.org/ Hugs, CatNipped > I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas is going to > pass the "no declaw" law soon - thank the powers that be - I just wish the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > CatNipped Texas? The land of canned animal hunts and animals as fodder? I can't hardly believe it. -L. (going off to do some research...) > > I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas is > going to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Texas? The land of canned animal hunts and animals as fodder? I can't > hardly believe it. Texas is a land of dichotomies. Yes there are barbarians here who hold canned animal hunts (just as there are people who hold cock fights in New York). However, there are also people here, like me, who cherish all living things. In fact, people here tend to have more respect for pets and wildlife than most because Texas is a land of ranchers and farmers who value and respect their animals (if for nothing else than as a valuable asset - but mostly from just love). When the rodeo is held in Houston, it's quite touching to see everyone from toddlers to adults caring for, grooming, and *loving* their pigs, goats, cows and bulls, etc. and taking pride in how well cared-for they are. And Texas is *BIG*. We have people here ranging from dirt framers in the boonies to cosmopolitan urbanites in one of the biggest, most sophisticated port cities in the world. It would be impossible to paint all Texans with the same brush. We are definitely *NOT* all rootin' tootin' cowboys running around in sh*t-kicking boots and ten gallon hats, some of us are overly-sensitive computer nerds! ;> Remember, geography does not determine what type of person you are, the heart knows no borders. Hugs, CatNipped > -L. > (going off to do some research...) >> > I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas is >> going to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >canned animal hunts (just as there are people who hold cock fights in New >York). NOT legally, just let me put in here. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > > > I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas is > > going to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Texas is a land of dichotomies. Well of course - my comment was geared more to Texas animal politics which in the past hasn't been a cenetr for liberalism. Not many states still have canned hunts - Texas is one. Also - Beef industry has a huge lobby there - some of the worse feedlots I have ever seen were in Texas. -L. > > > > I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas > is [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > huge lobby there - some of the worse feedlots I have ever seen were in > Texas. This is true. As Theresa said, although other places have people that are as cruel, at least in most of them those cruel things they do are illegal. Sorry I got my fur rubbed the wrong way, I should know better. Hugs, CatNipped > -L. > Texas? The land of canned animal hunts and animals as fodder? I'm probably going to regret asking, but what is a canned animal hunt? SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >> Texas? The land of canned animal hunts and animals as fodder? > > I'm probably going to regret asking, but what is a canned animal hunt? I don't know about Texas, but on some of the barrier islands in South Carolina they organize "hunts" to get rid of the deer. They have no natural predators and as such overpopulate and then are starving due to lack of food. So they open up a "hunting season" for people to go shoot them. It disgusts me; I figure they should be trapped and located somewhere else. But others disagree, saying they just damage gardens and fruit orchards with their foraging. I think deer are beautiful animals and one day when the only place we can see them is in a Zoo, we'll be sorry. Jill > I don't know about Texas, but on some of the barrier islands in South > Carolina they organize "hunts" to get rid of the deer. They have no natural [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > their foraging. I think deer are beautiful animals and one day when the > only place we can see them is in a Zoo, we'll be sorry. Given that there's been a deer overpopulation* problem just about everywhere I've ever lived, it's hard to imagine the day when we will only see them in zoos. They seem to have the survivability of cockroaches, but because they're cute, they have more supporters. *) IMO, it's more a "human overpopulation/suburbization" problem that results in humans encroaching on deer territory, but either way, there's certainly a problem. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > > Texas? The land of canned animal hunts and animals as fodder? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ > and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki It is a fenced in area where animals that are purchased from places like ZOOS and CIRCUSES are let loose, and rednecks pay big bucks to the owners to come in and shoot/kill them. Often it is big game animals and exotics including big cats. Just one website explaining it - there are many out there: http://www.wildlifeprotection.net/CannedHunt/cannedhuntindex.html This is one reason I do not ever support zoos, circuses or animal acts of any kind. -L. > It is a fenced in area where animals that are purchased from places > like ZOOS and CIRCUSES are let loose, and rednecks pay big bucks to the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > This is one reason I do not ever support zoos, circuses or animal acts > of any kind. That's disgusting. I think it would be illegal in most parts of the world. FYI, respectable zoos operate with a totally different agenda. There are world-wide zoo networks for breeding species that are facing extinction (world-wide in order to be able to keep the gene pool varied enough). I can't imagine any European zoo giving animals to a hunt like that. Yes, they have to euthanize animals sometimes, but it's done by a vet. Then, of course, there are private zoos around the world, which have no regard for international treaties on the preservation of wild animals. I knew I'd regret asking. I know I'll have nightmares now. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > > It is a fenced in area where animals that are purchased from places > > like ZOOS and CIRCUSES are let loose, and rednecks pay big bucks to the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That's disgusting. I think it would be illegal in most parts of the > world. FYI, respectable zoos operate with a totally different agenda. Well, just FYI - even the most "respectable" zoos in the US sell unwanted animals to class B animal dealers - where they then get resold to places like canned hunts. There is an entire book documenting this practice. (I have it - I will have to look up the name and post it later.) > There are world-wide zoo networks for breeding species that are facing > extinction (world-wide in order to be able to keep the gene pool varied > enough). I can't imagine any European zoo giving animals to a hunt like > that. Yes, they have to euthanize animals sometimes, but it's done by a > vet. Then, of course, there are private zoos around the world, which > have no regard for international treaties on the preservation of wild > animals. There was a zoo in Europe (I believe) that culled their Macaque population by shooting them with a rife. I will have to research it and dig up where it was - it was a few years ago. I just don't think any true altruism exists when it comes to animals making money for humans. > I knew I'd regret asking. I know I'll have nightmares now. Yeah, it's pretty horrific. -L. > I just heard today from the rescue group I work with that Texas is going > to > pass the "no declaw" law soon - thank the powers that be - I just wish the > rest of the country would catch up to civilization and outlaw it too! What does this law say? I'm very curious. No offense, but I'm surprised that Texas would pass a law like that. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG > Do I *look* like a cat encyclopedia???? > > Ginger-lyn Of course you do! But then, don't we all? :D Jill > So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy > stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" Sorry to piggy-back Ginger-lyn but this brought back a memory. Not a very pleasant one, sorry to say. My dog Sampson had just died a couple of weeks prior. I was in PetCo looking for a new bird cage for a Christmas gift for my brother, Scott. This woman was there handing out coupons and samples of pet food. I'd never been in this particular Petco before so I didn't know where to look for the bird cage. I walked down an aisle with dog stuff, looking all around - from whence do I hear birds chirping? This woman said brightly, "Hi! Want some dog food and a coupon?" I nearly burst into tears. I said, "I'm sorry, no, my dog just died." She paused for just a second then said brightly, "Okay, so do you have a cat?" Talk about insensitivity. Did this woman even *have* any pets?! I realize it was her job but she didn't even break stride. Nor did she even say, "I'm sorry to hear that." It turned me completely off to those people who want to hand out coupons at PetCo. Jill Man, that's uncool. You should have reported her. Dirty litterbox offerings to people with insensitivity. Kristi > It turned me completely off to those people who want to hand > out coupons at PetCo. > > Jill It would turn me off PetCo. Pam S. >> It turned me completely off to those people who want to hand >> out coupons at PetCo. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pam S. I think she worked for the pet food company. Kinda like you see those folks at the grocery store sometimes handing out mini sausages or whatever - they don't work for the grocery store. It bugged the crap out of me no matter who she worked for. Jill >>> It turned me completely off to those people who want to hand >>> out coupons at PetCo. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Jill People don't necesarily work in what interests them. She's just trying to make a living. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>>> It turned me completely off to those people who want to hand >>>> out coupons at PetCo. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > People don't necesarily work in what interests them. She's just > trying to make a living. Trust me, I know! I'm probably going to wind up working as a checker at a grocery store (hey! at least I can identify all the produce without having to ask!) But she could have at least expressed some sympathy. > Theresa > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >>> It turned me completely off to those people who want to hand > >>> out coupons at PetCo. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > People don't necesarily work in what interests them. She's just > trying to make a living. I'm sorry, but I have never been willing to accept "just doing my job" as an excuse for inappropriate behavior -- whether it be telemarketer or concentration camp guard. What is so complex as expecting people to be responsible for their own behavior? >>>>> It turned me completely off to those people who want to hand >>>>> out coupons at PetCo. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > concentration camp guard. What is so complex as expecting people to be > responsible for their own behavior? Besides, sympathy and tact are not really job specific. >>>>>> It turned me completely off to those people who want to hand >>>>>> out coupons at PetCo. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Besides, sympathy and tact are not really job specific. If you're dealing with the general public they certainly should be job specific! I've worked retail; I've worked in restaurants. Don't know how many times I thought a *customer* was out of line. There was the woman who refused to try on jeans larger than a size 8 and the asked me to come back and help her zip them up. I had to remain tactful and sympathetic all at the same time (but I also refused to help her zip her jeans). In restaurants, you have to apologize constantly even though it's not your fault the kitchen is backed up. But handing out samples and coupons for pet food in a pet store - if someone says their pet just died and they are there looking for a specific gift - one should simply point the way and let it go. Jill > >>>>>> It turned me completely off to those people who want to hand > >>>>>> out coupons at PetCo. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Jill I meant, every job should have someone who knows how to be sympathetic and tactful. > I meant, every job should have someone who knows how to be sympathetic and > tactful. Then what about those who aren't sympathetic and tactful? OK, that sounds flippant, but not everyone is really strong in those characteristics, and even the most tactful and sympathetic person has had those moments when they've opened their mouths and they cringe themselves at what comes out. Actually, offering a coupon for a surviving pet, or even asking if there is one isn't really the most unsympathetic and tactless thing that can be (and has been) said in response to a death. SignatureCheryl > > I meant, every job should have someone who knows how to be sympathetic and > > tactful. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > is one isn't really the most unsympathetic and tactless thing that can be > (and has been) said in response to a death. OK. I guess I am just not being a good communicator today so I will just drop this thread now. Sorry all. >>>>>>>> It turned me completely off to those people who want to hand >>>>>>>> out coupons at PetCo. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I meant, every job should have someone who knows how to be > sympathetic and tactful. I'm sorry, I misunderstood you! I'm having a bad time these days with comprehension. My apologies! Jill >> People don't necesarily work in what interests them. She's just >> trying to make a living. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >concentration camp guard. What is so complex as expecting people to be >responsible for their own behavior? I'd have to agree that she sounds like a round peg crammed into a square hole. I'd assume the purpose of handing out samples would be to encourage people to actually buy the product. If she had shown sensitivity and sympathy, Jill may have been encouraged to purchase some of the product when she got over her grief of losing Samson and gotten another dog. Or for Persia, since it sounds like the company might also produce cat food. Instead, her insensitivty might turn me off from buying any product from the company. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy and Little Bit stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > > So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy > > stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jill Oh geez - that's horrible. :( -L. [[This woman said brightly, "Hi! Want some dog food and a coupon?" I nearly burst into tears. I said, "I'm sorry, no, my dog just died." She paused for just a second then said brightly, "Okay, so do you have a cat?" Talk about insensitivity. Did this woman even *have* any pets?! I realize it was her job but she didn't even break stride. Nor did she even say, "I'm sorry to hear that." It turned me completely off to those people who want to hand out coupons at PetCo.]] Who in the HECK trained her to deal with the public? I hope you let the management know what happened, not to get her in trouble, but to let them know that they have to review their training procedures. Of course, if she had shown a bit more empathy and/or common sense, things would have turned out differently, too. Sigh. Donna, wondering what people are THINKING sometimes >> So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy >> stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Jill {{{{Jill}}}} I'm so sorry you were treated that way. Some people have the sensitivity of a rock, sadly. Ginger-lyn > {{{{Jill}}}} I'm so sorry you were treated that way. Some people have > the sensitivity of a rock, sadly. the worse one I had was when I had to take Fugazi to the vets. She was taken ill suddenly and it wasn't my regular vet. Now I have no complaints about the vet (Indeed they are now my regular vets)but a few days later I got a glossy cheery mailshot thanking me for "Entrusting them with the care of your beloved animal" and "Hoping for many happy healthy years with us". I told them when I next went in that I really did not think that was an appropriate thing to send when Fugazi had to be put to sleep. Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >> {{{{Jill}}}} I'm so sorry you were treated that way. Some people >> have the sensitivity of a rock, sadly. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Yup, I had something similar happen. My FORMER vet sold my name and address to a drug company. I got a coupon in the mail from said company for a trial of Anipryl, which is used to treat "dementia" in senior dogs, which he'd been for several years at that point. But he'd also been put to sleep about a month prior. I would have thought it was a bizarre coincidence had I not noticed at the bottom of the coupon the name of my vet's office. I wrote a scathing letter to the vet and cc:'d the drug company rep. I got a reply back from a different vet - the owner of the clinic, not the one who had treated Sampson - apologizing and saying yes, he gave them my name but he didn't know Sampson was so ill. Hey, how's about checking his chart? He was almost 18 years old, had congestive heart failure, cataracts, required special food and gee - you guys put him to sleep. Sheesh. Jill > Do I *look* like a cat encyclopedia????// Do you really want an answer to that? ;o) :P~~~~ Helen M Ginger-lyn Summer skrev i meddelandet <42052a2a.4784932@news.east.earthlink.net>... >So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy >stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" > >That obvious, huh? > >snip> Could it possibly be the cartful of cat food that gave you away? LOL! Elisabet > So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy > stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" > > That obvious, huh? Hopefully you've saved at least one cat from mutilation. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. > So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy > stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Ginger-lyn I have friends that keep talking about declawing their cat and each time I inform them (nicely) of how they amputate the toes. They seem totally unconcerned with this. I like these people, but this issue is seriously making me not want to like them! Would they want their fingers amputated to the first knuckle? Come on! It's cruel, it's disgusting and besides, they still want their cat (after surgery) to be an indoor/outdoor cat? That's just plain insane and it infuriates me. It's not like their kids don't do worse things to the furniture than the damn cat! kili > I have friends that keep talking about declawing their cat and each > time I inform them (nicely) of how they amputate the toes. They seem [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > kili Sorry, responding to my own post... I didn't want to come across as some mean woman or anything and I'm sorry I swore, but I can't stand it when people don't care about the pets they take on. These people aren't concerned with getting their female cat fixed, yet they want to declaw her and make her an indoor/outdoor cat? What is that about? I also can't stand it when *I* take my cats to the vet, get them their shots, spend the money on getting them fixed (which I really don't have, by the way - I'm really broke, but there's a RESPONSIBILITY issue!) and someone comes up to me and says either, why don't you get them declawed or, promise me you won't declaw them, will you? It makes me angry! If I'm taking care of my animals, that means I love them. If I love them, why would I mutilate them? Sorry to rant, but jeez! Take care of your darn pets and leave mine alone. Mine are fine, happy, healthy and eat more and better than I. Okay, done with my rant. kili >> I have friends that keep talking about declawing their cat and >> each time I inform them (nicely) of how they amputate the toes. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > fixed, yet they want to declaw her and make her an > indoor/outdoor cat? What is that about? I can completely understand about the feelings you have for these people. It's hard not to completely dislike them for something they are doing to a living being. I had a falling out with my own sister because of her irresponsibilty with her cats. She seems to think that her 5 year old twins can't learn how to keep the door shut so the cats don't get out. And that I'm calling them "bad kids" because they don't shut the door. It isn't like that at all. I blame her for thinking they don't have the capacity to learn to value life, and given the responsibility for those lives can teach them a lot. And that they'll "get it". SignatureCheryl Cheryl <jlhshadow@nospamhotmail.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: The Hillbilly at Petco: >I can completely understand about the feelings you have for these >people. It's hard not to completely dislike them for something they [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >value life, and given the responsibility for those lives can teach >them a lot. And that they'll "get it". At that age, I was certainly capable of learning something that simple. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > Cheryl <jlhshadow@nospamhotmail.com> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: The Hillbilly at Petco: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > At that age, I was certainly capable of learning something that > simple. Gee, at that age I was going to kindergarten on a school bus all by myself. Mom sure didn't have to tell me to shut the door behind me. Jill > Cheryl <jlhshadow@nospamhotmail.com> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: The Hillbilly at Petco: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > At that age, I was certainly capable of learning something that > simple. At that age, I DID know how to do it. We let our cats out during the day but there were times they had to stay in and I certainly understood about that and how to avoid letting cats out. >> So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy >> stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >kili My mom wanted Stinky declawed, and she still does not understand how upset the idea makes me. I told her that I was not doing it, and that was that, but also if she mentioned it again, I would not speak to her. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > My mom wanted Stinky declawed, and she still does not understand how > upset the idea makes me. I told her that I was not doing it, and that > was that, but also if she mentioned it again, I would not speak to > her./// I'll never forget the sh*t-fit that my mom threw at her USA vet when she suggested that she declaw Robbie. Fair to say, the vet has never mentioned the Declaw word again in the presence of my mother and neither have the vet staff. The vet staff now respect the fact that in Britain animal welfare laws are slightly different to the USA. ;o) Helen M > I have friends that keep talking about declawing their cat and each > time I inform them (nicely) of how they amputate the toes. They seem [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > kili If I knew people like that, they would *not* remain friends. If they are willing to mutilate an animal, knowing what the procedure involves, they must be extremely selfish and not worth friendship. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. >I have friends that keep talking about declawing their cat and each time I >inform them (nicely) of how they amputate the toes. They seem totally [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >just plain insane and it infuriates me. It's not like their kids don't do >worse things to the furniture than the damn cat! Unfortunately, there are some vets who are in the business for money instead of the love of their patients - truely TEDs (the evil doctor). You may not be able to convice them - especially if they have as trusted vet who views declawing as a money making procedure. When LB moved in and had her litter, despite my telling her I didn't want or need any cats, I lucked out. I picked a good vet from the phone book. When he found out it had been over 20 years since I'd had a cat he gave me some booklets for new cat owners, which included graphic pix of declawing. Sometimes pictures can convince when words alone don't. There are several sites (sorry, I no longer have them bookmarked, but you can find them if you google cat declaw) which show pictures of the procedure - warning, don't view the sites unless you have a strong stomach. You can also find statistics about all the medical and behavioral problems which declawing causes. Perhaps your friends could be shown the light if you shared some of those sites with them. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy and Little Bit stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy > stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" > > That obvious, huh? Ummm...of course! ;) FWIW, I come right out and tell these bozos that declawing is amputation, what it entails and the stats on problems after decawing. Usually the mentioning of inappropriate elimination gets them. If they don't want scratched furniture they sure aren't going to like furniture that smells like cat pee. -L. >> So, I'm at Petco, just picking up a cartful of cat food, when a guy >> stops suddenly and says "you look like a cat person!" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -L. One time our Petco had an actual AD hung up on the bulletin board for some vet that did it! I went back in and pointed out that since a major product in their cat department were cat trees and scratching posts, that besides the fact it is amputation and laser besides it's outlawed in almost all other countries, they should think about taking that down. I noticed that they haven't had anything like that on the bulletin board again. > One time our Petco had an actual AD hung up on the bulletin board for some > vet that did it! I went back in and pointed out that since a major product > in their cat department were cat trees and scratching posts, that besides > the fact it is amputation and laser besides it's outlawed in almost all > other countries, they should think about taking that down. I noticed that > they haven't had anything like that on the bulletin board again. When I was waiting to see TED, the receptionist fielded a couple of calls - one about declawing. I was surprised because I have encountered almost no declawed cats here, but she says they get a lot of enquiries, even about kittens that no one's even tried to get used to a scratching tree. That vet simply doesn't do declawing; I gather she asked one (human) doctor requesting the operation if he recommended that his patients have their toes cut off to save the trouble of cutting their toenails! SignatureCheryl > When I was waiting to see TED, the receptionist fielded a couple > of calls - one about declawing. I was surprised because I have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > operation if he recommended that his patients have their toes > cut off to save the trouble of cutting their toenails! The vets office I used to use (VCA) had a video playing on their waiting room TV promoting their "declaw and spay procedures". I was furious. Told the receptionist that I was appalled and quit going there. SignatureCheryl > > When I was waiting to see TED, the receptionist fielded a couple > > of calls - one about declawing. I was surprised because I have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > furious. Told the receptionist that I was appalled and quit going > there. Yeah, I quit my last vet mostly because of their "routine" declawing during spaying / neutering. I chose my new vet, "Just Cats", because when I was interviewing them and I asked about having my cat declawed (trick question) they said their vets didn't perform that procedure and offered to tell me why and offer me other solutions. I told them, no thanks, I could tell *them* why not to declaw and know how to train my cats to use scratching posts and, by the way, congratulations you're my new vet. Hugs, CatNipped > -- > Cheryl <snip> > I told them, no thanks, I could tell > *them* why not to declaw and know how to train my cats to use [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -- > > Cheryl I have been hard pressed to find a vet that *doesn't* do it. The a.shole vet I used to work for did them on demand - even on 8-wk old kittens. I used to call it "cutting off their toes despite their face" because they were so cute. :*( -L. > I have been hard pressed to find a vet that *doesn't* do it. The > a.shole vet I used to work for did them on demand - even on 8-wk old > kittens. I used to call it "cutting off their toes despite their face" > because they were so cute. :*( To me all this sounds so unbelievable....In the UK declawing is not routine and I suspect it may even be illegal. I do know that every pedigree cat association in the UK bans declawed cats from showing. I certainly can't believe you can have vets showing videos advising owners to have their cats declawed or someone doing that to an 8 week old kitten! I would never have it done to my furballs....even through right now, I have a long scratch down my arm (Catching Sarrasine when she fell off the curtain pole, my fault I should have been more careful!) Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > I have been hard pressed to find a vet that *doesn't* do it. The > a.shole vet I used to work for did them on demand - even on 8-wk old > kittens. I used to call it "cutting off their toes despite their face" > because they were so cute. :*( That is really sad. I've been trying to find a vet who doesn't, too. At least mine doesn't promote it, but they will if an owner insists. :( Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG >> I have been hard pressed to find a vet that *doesn't* do it. The >> a.shole vet I used to work for did them on demand - even on 8-wk old [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >That is really sad. I've been trying to find a vet who doesn't, too. At >least mine doesn't promote it, but they will if an owner insists. :( Well, after bragging on my vet for giving handouts which discourage declawing, I suppose I should confess that he will declaw when the owners insist. SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy and Little Bit stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > >> I have been hard pressed to find a vet that *doesn't* do it. The > >> a.shole vet I used to work for did them on demand - even on 8-wk old [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > declawing, I suppose I should confess that he will declaw when the > owners insist. Well, to be quite frank, if ALL vets took this approach it would probably die out right quick. It's not a bad way TO approach eliminating declaw. It's the promoter vets that do the harm, IMO. > Well, after bragging on my vet for giving handouts which discourage > declawing, I suppose I should confess that he will declaw when the owners > insist. You could use an argument similar to a pro-choice argument: People are going to do it anyway, so wouldn't you rather that a qualified and caring doctor do it? Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca >> Well, after bragging on my vet for giving handouts which discourage >> declawing, I suppose I should confess that he will declaw when the owners [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > do > it? In most countries, people *don't* do it. It is considered cruel and all caring countries outlaw it. It's time it was banned in America too. Tell all cat owners it's not an option and keep on telling them, and ask vets what they are thinking about when they agree to declaw. It's DISGUSTING & CRUEL and I will never stop saying this. Tweed >>> Well, after bragging on my vet for giving handouts which discourage >>> declawing, I suppose I should confess that he will declaw when the owners [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > what they are thinking about when they agree to declaw. It's DISGUSTING & > CRUEL and I will never stop saying this. As long as it's legal in the US, I guarantee you people will ask to have it done. I agree that it is disgusting and cruel, and my major reservation about giving Eros up for adoption was that I'd never know if his potential owner might want to declaw him. I'd rather vets take a stand and not declaw at all, which is why I didn't say that I espoused the argument; I said "You" (meaning "one") could make that argument. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca > >> Well, after bragging on my vet for giving handouts which discourage > >> declawing, I suppose I should confess that he will declaw when the owners [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Tweed I agree Tweed. If people would just read about what happens to kitties who have it done to them - the horrible pain, the lifelong problems, the arthritis when they're older - and then realized that if they even *like* their cats, much less love them they would never even dream of having this done. And vets who do it are guilty of cruelty to animals - they may use anesthesia while they're doing it, but most don't even give pain medication afterwards. You get the idea, ditto, it *IS* disgusting and cruel! Hugs, CatNipped >> Well, after bragging on my vet for giving handouts which discourage >> declawing, I suppose I should confess that he will declaw when the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > are going to do it anyway, so wouldn't you rather that a qualified > and caring doctor do it? I don't believe a *caring* doctor would necessarily do it, very few vets in England would, even if were legal. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. [[Do I *look* like a cat encyclopedia???? Ginger-lyn]] Ya know that sign, written on us in invisible ink, that tells every four-footed critter that we're a big softy who will cheerfully spoil the heck out of them? This is an offshoot of that. Apparently your invisible-ink sign is perceptable by humans, too. ;o) Donna -- who drove my mom NUTS when I was a kid, and every stray cat or dog followed me home. Regardless of whether I encouraged them to or not. ---------------------<snip>---------------------- >Then I mention the "D" word. That declawed cats often have behavioral >issues. ---------------------<snip>---------------------- If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. If you want a declawed cat, adopt one. My beloved Misty (RB) was declawed when we got her and, not wanting to mix them, the next two we got were declawed as well when we got them. I have to think that people who would consider declawing just think they want a cat to add some life to their household. They'd be better off just getting some plants. The abundance of declawed adult cats up for adoption proves this. In fact, when I occasionally used to post to the old all-in-one group, "If you want a declawed cat, adopt one!" Used to be part of my sig. By the way, the four cats we've gotten since then are clawed of course, and there has been no trouble with them being mixed. Regards and Purrs, O J > Then I mention the "D" word. That declawed cats often have behavioral > issues. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > prefer different surfaces, the height should be tall enough for the > cat to stretch, etc. Ugh. That reminds of this father/son combo that came into the shelter. Of course, as adoption hours are coming to a close. Another volunteer and I are talking to them, going over the basics, and the declaw issue comes up. Both of us explain how it is amputation, behavior issues, etc. The son, who was about 12 years old, joins in with the father in the protests that they want to protect the furniture (can't get the boy's whining "What about the furniture??" out of my head) and how the boy was scratched *once* by a cat. I finally ended it, as they were NOT getting a cat from us, by saying "there are plenty of declawed cats that need homes, and you can keep checking back to see if we have any. We will not adopt a cat to you with claws knowing you will remove them." Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG |
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