Hi there:
I had a very upsetting afternoon. I can't remember the last time I've seen
a stray cat around here. I've lived in the neighbourhood for 8 years and
we've never had one.
Sam and I came home after lunch today to find a stray tabby, an unneutered
male, stalking the cats. He attacked first Chester, then Otis. They ran
away and he chased them down. He was violent and persistent and wouldn't be
chased off by me. At one point, he had Chester down doing some serious
damage and Otis jumped him - we then had three cats going at it at once.
Otis ran away, the cat chased him to the backyard, and by the time I got
there, he had Otis pinned. Yelling, stamping on the ground, and chasing him
did not deter him. It was terrifying as he seemed hell bent on really
hurting them. I got the back door opened and Otis ran in with his tail
between his legs. Chester had run away. It was very very upsetting. I've
never seen anything like it - he would take 6 foot runs at the cats and
knock them over and seemed like he was fighting to the death. I'd chase him
off and he'd go around me to come back at the cats. He was unstoppable.
After his fight, the tabby lied down in the dirt in the front garden, I ran
in with muddy boots to get some food, and I lured him into the garage with
the food. I phoned the SPCA who said that they wouldn't come and get him.
I had to either catch him and take him to a vet clinic or they would ask me
to release the cat and they'd try to trap it.
I got the cat in the carrier but TED didn't want an unneutered male in the
clinic overnight with his clinic cat's elimination issues. The SPCA
wouldn't pick him up until the next day. So, Sam and I took him up to the
SPCA.
He was unneutered, had no tattoo and nor was he chipped. He jumped out like
a friendly cat and they were suspicious that he was really my cat and I was
trying to avoid the surrender fee. I asked that, if the cat was surrendered
back to someone in my neighbourhood, that they give them my phone number.
If the cat is returned in fewer than 4 days, the SPCA does not have the
right to insist that it be neutered and I wanted the chance to tell the
owners that if they didn't neuter him, we'd have problems and I'd have to
call animal control. At that point, the woman set into me about having my
cats outside - I didn't bother getting into the long saga of why the boys
are allowed out. They were suspicious and nasty. They didn't even say
thank you about bringing him in. I need to write them a letter.
I got home and found that Chester wasn't able to walk on his front right
leg. $115 later, the puncture wound in his armpit has been shaved and
cleaned out, he's had a shot of anti-inflammatory medicine and he's had a
shot of antibiotics. Pilling him twice a day for 8 days is now required.
Ugh. He's feeling better now.
Otis has been laying on the bed for 7 hours and hasn't got up to eat. I
keep trying to get him up but he won't budge. I've felt him over and I
can't find any obvious wounds. If he's not cheerful by tomorrow AM, I'll
take him to TED's. If he does have puncture wounds, he'll need to be
treated with antibiotics right away.
Between seeing my cats suffer a prolonged attack by an aggressive cat and
being suspiciously and nastily handled by the SPCA, it was a pretty
emotional event. I've donated hundreds of dollars to them and it rubbed me
the wrong way.
The little tabby guy was quite sweet when by himself. I think he was just
doing what his hormones told him to do. I can't fathom where he came from -
appeared to be well fed and in good shape. I hope he finds a home and that
he doesn't get re-homed back to some irresponsible person in my
neighbourhood.
Any spare purrs for the boys to get back to themselves (and Otis to get his
confidence back) would be appreciated. I wish I'd taken Otis to the vet
tonight too - I just couldn't find any wounds and its so expensive. Now I
won't sleep for worrying about him. Last night and the night before it was
Sam's croup, the night before that the alarm kept malfunctioning while my
husband was away on business ... you get the picture.
Susan M
Otis and Chester
Yowie - 02 Feb 2005 05:49 GMT
Purrs for Otis, Chester, and your frazzled nerves.
Also purrs to that tom cat that he gets a responsible hoomin for himself.
Yowie
> Hi there:
>
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Gabey8 - 02 Feb 2005 06:21 GMT
[[Purrs for Otis, Chester, and your frazzled nerves.
Also purrs to that tom cat that he gets a responsible hoomin for himself.
Yowie]]
What Yowie said.
I hope that SPCA adopts the policy that the Morris Animal Refuge in
Philadelphia (PA, USA) has now: if a pet is not fixed when you choose to
adopt it, the adoption fee is a bit higher and they will arrange to have
the surgery performed BEFORE you take the pet home. If all shelters could
do that, they'd never adopt out another intact tomcat and the risk of
seeing this happen again would be reduced.
I agree with you that you should write them a letter. It sounds to me like
the people you were dealing with today are a LOT less familiar with feline
behavior than they should be. I realize that they've probably seen their
share of humans coming in and trying to scam them out of a surrender fee.
But YOU aren't one of those humans, particularly not after having donated
money to them over the years, and they should have realized that your
description of the cat's behavior was consistent with what an intact tom
would do. The staff could use a few lessons on both people skills and
feline behavior.
I hope that Otis and Chester, and you and all the human family members,
are feeling better ASAP.
Donna, Captain, and Stanley
Susan M - 02 Feb 2005 19:53 GMT
> I hope that SPCA adopts the policy that the Morris Animal Refuge in
> Philadelphia (PA, USA) has now: if a pet is not fixed when you choose to
> adopt it, the adoption fee is a bit higher and they will arrange to have
> the surgery performed BEFORE you take the pet home. If all shelters could
> do that, they'd never adopt out another intact tomcat and the risk of
> seeing this happen again would be reduced.
They do have this policy. They just can't legally snip a cat that hasn't
been given up to the shelter in the first few days. There is a four day
hold period where the owner can claim the cat and still walk out with it
unneutered. After that time, the animal is considered to be legally
surrendered and the shelter will not let any cat, virtually no matter how
young, to leave the sheltered un-fixed.
> I agree with you that you should write them a letter. It sounds to me like
> the people you were dealing with today are a LOT less familiar with feline
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> would do. The staff could use a few lessons on both people skills and
> feline behavior.
I was really upset. I think that they must get very jaded very quickly
working where they do though. Even I was doubtful of the 20-something girls
behind me. They were carrying a very very old and thin cat - I had to
wonder if they couldn't afford the euthanasia fee or something. That shows
how shallow I am! That being said, don't you think, even if people lie to
you, that its better that they bring the animal to the shelter rather than
to dump them??? Especially since its about to get really cold again.
Anyway, its probably hard to maintain the assumption of innocence but they
should probably work at it.
Thank you!
Susan M
Otis and Chester
Melissa Houle - 02 Feb 2005 06:34 GMT
> Hi there:
SNIPPAGE. I asked that, if the cat was surrendered
> back to someone in my neighbourhood, that they give them my phone number.
> If the cat is returned in fewer than 4 days, the SPCA does not have the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> are allowed out. They were suspicious and nasty. They didn't even say
> thank you about bringing him in. I need to write them a letter.
I'd say so. They too, might have been having a bad day, but they might have
given you the benefit of the doubt.
> I got home and found that Chester wasn't able to walk on his front right
> leg. $115 later, the puncture wound in his armpit has been shaved and
> cleaned out, he's had a shot of anti-inflammatory medicine and he's had a
> shot of antibiotics. Pilling him twice a day for 8 days is now required.
> Ugh. He's feeling better now.
Poor Chester! And your poor wallet. I know all too well about costly vet
trips after the past two months. I hope his leg feels better in the
morning.
> Otis has been laying on the bed for 7 hours and hasn't got up to eat. I
> keep trying to get him up but he won't budge. I've felt him over and I
> can't find any obvious wounds. If he's not cheerful by tomorrow AM, I'll
> take him to TED's. If he does have puncture wounds, he'll need to be
> treated with antibiotics right away.
I hope it's just retroactive fright, and that he's not actually injured.
It's bruising to a cat's dignity to be attacked by a stranger on his own
turf!
> Between seeing my cats suffer a prolonged attack by an aggressive cat and
> being suspiciously and nastily handled by the SPCA, it was a pretty
> emotional event. I've donated hundreds of dollars to them and it rubbed me
> the wrong way.
I don't blame you in the least! I'd sure be mad. Especially when you were
TRYING to act responsibly toward both your own cats, AND the tabby. To be
lectured when you're seeking help is hard.
> The little tabby guy was quite sweet when by himself. I think he was just
> doing what his hormones told him to do. I can't fathom where he came from -
> appeared to be well fed and in good shape. I hope he finds a home and that
> he doesn't get re-homed back to some irresponsible person in my
> neighbourhood.
I hope he gets rehomed to a responsible, loving person who will neuter him
promptly. And if he's a runaway, I hope his owners will learn an important
lesson.
> Any spare purrs for the boys to get back to themselves (and Otis to get his
> confidence back) would be appreciated. I wish I'd taken Otis to the vet
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Purrs, head-butts and soothing scritches to both Otis and Chester. I hope
everyone at your place sleeps much better tonight.
Melissa
badwilson - 02 Feb 2005 06:49 GMT
:: Hi there:
::
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:: Sam and I came home after lunch today to find a stray tabby, an
:: unneutered male, stalking the cats. He attacked first Chester,
then
:: Otis. They ran away and he chased them down. He was violent and
:: persistent and wouldn't be chased off by me. At one point, he had
:: Chester down doing some serious damage and Otis jumped him - we
then
:: had three cats going at it at once. Otis ran away, the cat chased
:: him to the backyard, and by the time I got there, he had Otis
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
:: upsetting. I've never seen anything like it - he would take 6 foot
:: runs at the cats and knock them over and seemed like he was
fighting
:: to the death. I'd chase him off and he'd go around me to come back
:: at the cats. He was unstoppable.
::
:: After his fight, the tabby lied down in the dirt in the front
:: garden, I ran in with muddy boots to get some food, and I lured him
:: into the garage with the food. I phoned the SPCA who said that
they
:: wouldn't come and get him. I had to either catch him and take him
to
:: a vet clinic or they would ask me to release the cat and they'd try
:: to trap it.
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:: my cat and I was trying to avoid the surrender fee. I asked that,
:: if the cat was surrendered back to someone in my neighbourhood,
that
:: they give them my phone number. If the cat is returned in fewer
than
:: 4 days, the SPCA does not have the right to insist that it be
:: neutered and I wanted the chance to tell the owners that if they
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
:: are allowed out. They were suspicious and nasty. They didn't even
:: say thank you about bringing him in. I need to write them a
letter.
:: I got home and found that Chester wasn't able to walk on his front
:: right leg. $115 later, the puncture wound in his armpit has been
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
:: Otis has been laying on the bed for 7 hours and hasn't got up to
:: eat. I keep trying to get him up but he won't budge. I've felt
him
:: over and I can't find any obvious wounds. If he's not cheerful by
:: tomorrow AM, I'll take him to TED's. If he does have puncture
:: wounds, he'll need to be treated with antibiotics right away.
::
:: Between seeing my cats suffer a prolonged attack by an aggressive
:: cat and being suspiciously and nastily handled by the SPCA, it was
a
:: pretty emotional event. I've donated hundreds of dollars to them
:: and it rubbed me the wrong way.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
:: its so expensive. Now I won't sleep for worrying about him. Last
:: night and the night before it was Sam's croup, the night before
that
:: the alarm kept malfunctioning while my husband was away on business
:: ... you get the picture.
::
:: Susan M
:: Otis and Chester
Oh man, that sounds like a nightmare day! I think you should write a
letter to the SPCA, there's no reason for them to treat you like that,
totally unacceptable.
I wonder if the unneutered tomcat belongs to one of those people who
think that their totally indoor cat will never get out? Or maybe
they're new in the neighbourhood? If he gets claimed, I sure hope his
hoomins will neuter him and that he doesn't bother your cats anymore.
Purrs for poor Otis and Chester and also for your nerves and wallet.
--
Britta
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Krista - 02 Feb 2005 07:21 GMT
> Hi there:
>
> I had a very upsetting afternoon. I can't remember the last time I've seen
> a stray cat around here. I've lived in the neighbourhood for 8 years and
> we've never had one.
(snip of rotten day)
We're sending healing purrs for Chester, feel-better purrs for Otis,
and soothing purrs for you. We are considering sending the contents of
the litterbox to the people at the SPCA, but we probably should just
encourage you to send a letter instead. We also send purrs for the
tabby guy, hoping he finds himself a good home with people who will
take better care of him.
------
Krista
L. (usenetlyn) - 02 Feb 2005 08:03 GMT
> Hi there:
>
> I had a very upsetting afternoon.
<snip>
Purrs to your boys. Write to the director of the SPCA and the person
in charge of intakes. They need to know how you were treated. I hope
the little fella finds a new home sans gonads.
-L.
Yoj - 02 Feb 2005 08:04 GMT
(((((((((Susan)))))))))
Purrs for you, Otis, and Chester, and purrs that the tabby gets a good home
with someone who will take proper care of him.
Joy
> Hi there:
>
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Jean Hobbs - 02 Feb 2005 08:25 GMT
Susan, what an awful time of it you've had! that stray could have killed
your catsand nobody was any help at all,I'm afraid I would really have done
my block!and I would have let them know in no uncertain terms about those
donations, what kind of a place is thatWilson and I are sending elephant
sizePurrs to allof youSam to be feeling better Chesters leg to heal quickly
Otis to be eatingandback to his usual self and you for the stress you must
be feeling. Andjust as many brickbats to the Vet and SPCA for their
unfeeling non-action
you could do with some hugs. {{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}
Jean.P.
> Hi there:
>
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Steve Touchstone - 02 Feb 2005 09:33 GMT
Purrs on the way all the way around - for Chester to do well on the
meds, for Otis to be fine by now, Sam to get over his croup, the alarm
to start acting right, etc.
And, some hisspits to the way your SPCA acted

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Victor Martinez - 02 Feb 2005 11:28 GMT
Susan,
I'm so sorry to hear about your ordeal, I sure know how you must feel.
We're sending lots of purrs for both boys to recover quickly and homing
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Karen Chuplis - 02 Feb 2005 12:07 GMT
That's horrible!! Especially about the SPCA. I would be writing a REALLY
long mad letter to them and I would illustrate that your money will NOT be
contributing to them anymore. Mega mega purrs that the boys get over this. I
would have Otis to the vet tomorrow anyway because it sounds like there may
be a problem there too. Gosh that is awful ::(
JBHajos - 02 Feb 2005 13:55 GMT
>I had a very upsetting afternoon.
What an awful ordeal for you, and for Otis and Chester. Calming
purrs headed your way, and hopes for kinder and more serene future for
you all. We had a similar situation here a year ago, an entire summer
of nasty visits by a grey feral we dubbed Diablo. After numerous
visits to the vet, we had to curtail our cats' time outdoors, checking
first to see if Diablo was in the vicinity, then sit outside with ours
to supervise. Diablo was not so "determined" to attack as your
visitor was - no one could get near him to even *try* to catch him.
Our next-door neighbor put out food for him, which only encouraged him
to return. Every outdoor cat in the neighborhood got mauled. For
other reasons, we've had to make Hobo and Speckles indoor-only.
Sadly, some time later, Diablo's body was found on a nearby street. I
felt badly about that, as much as I hated his "temperament" I was
upset at the outcome. Bottom line, we hope all goes well now for the
stray cat and especially for you and yours.
Jeanne
CatNipped - 02 Feb 2005 17:09 GMT
>>I had a very upsetting afternoon.
>
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> upset at the outcome. Bottom line, we hope all goes well now for the
> stray cat and especially for you and yours.
Oh, poor Diablo. I hate to see that happen to any kitty - I wish they all
could be inside-only kitties, that's really the only way to keep them safe
from cars, other animals, cruel humans, and disease.
Hugs,
CatNipped
> Jeanne
JBHajos - 02 Feb 2005 22:39 GMT
>Oh, poor Diablo. I hate to see that happen to any kitty -
Yes, I know. I felt particularly sorry for the mean old rascal
because he'd never known love, over and over he was shooed away and
had everything from sticks to walnuts thrown at him. He couldn't
accept affection even when offered. He must have been terribly
frightened as well. I cried for him when he met a violent end.
Jeanne
CatNipped - 03 Feb 2005 16:31 GMT
>>Oh, poor Diablo. I hate to see that happen to any kitty -
>
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>
> Jeanne
Aw, now I'm crying again (don't worry, not your fault - I cry every time I
think of a homeless kitty, without love, without food, without shelter,
dying *WAY* too young in fear and in pain - ACK, why is there such cruelty
in our world???!!!).
Hugs,
CatNipped
Holly - 02 Feb 2005 14:16 GMT
Calming purrs coming to you Susan, I am glad you came home when you
did. Purrs also for Otis and Chester that they are feeling better soon.
Keep us updated.
Kreisleriana - 02 Feb 2005 14:31 GMT
>Hi there:
>
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>Sam and I came home after lunch today to find a stray tabby, an unneutered
>male, stalking the cats.
Ahh, so sorry. Purrs for your poor nerves, your kitties, and for that
territorial little fellow to chill out and find a real home.
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Marina - 02 Feb 2005 16:14 GMT
> Hi there:
>
> I had a very upsetting afternoon.
Sorry about your upset, Susan. Purrs for everyone to calm down, for the
cats to be themselves again and for the poor tomcat to find a good
forever home.

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CatNipped - 02 Feb 2005 17:10 GMT
Purrs for calming your nerves and for the injured kitties (even if it's
only, hopefully, their ego that was injured). And purrs that the tom gets a
snip and a good home.
Hugs,
CatNipped
> Hi there:
>
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Howard Berkowitz - 02 Feb 2005 17:33 GMT
This brings up an interesting general question -- how to deal with a cat
fight, or an individual demented cat, when, in one's estimate of the
situation, the cat MUST be captured.
The worst personal experience was with my own Chatterley (RB). We had
been having major household renovations, and she got out through a
temporary hole. For 3 weeks, we saw her, confused about where her home
was, although wandering around the edges. She'd occasionally come close
enough to eat offered food.
While Chatterley was an excellent household mouser, her outdoor hunting
skills were clearly not up to keeping her fed. Normally an elegant
Russian-Blue type, she was wasting to skin and bones.
Eventually, things worked out such that she was under one of our cars,
and seemed to be staying there for a while. Given the space there, it
was impossible to put a blanket over her or any of the traditional means.
So, I armored as best as I could. I put on a leather welder's jacket and
arm-length gauntlets, as well as goggles, and a respirator just to
protect my nose and mouth. I crawled under the car, and grabbed her,
refusing to let go. There wasn't room to turn over, so I backed out,
then, to keep control, rolled over clutching her to my chest. At that
point, I had adequate leverage to get her into the open carrier and into
the house. I took some scratches on gaps in my armor, but it worked.
That was just one malnourished and medium-sized cat. Were it an actual
cat fight, I'm wondering what I might do. I know techniques for taking
down and restraining violent humans, both in psychiatric and security
situations, and, sadly, for closing with a violent guard dog. None of
these will work with smaller cats.
I don't think I'd stand and watch one of mine being mauled by such as
the tabby. Yes, I'd put on protective clothing, and try to grab my
cat(s). If that didn't work, I ask myself how I'd feel about the
horrible situation of having to do violence to the aggressor. At some
point, that might be necessary, although I might try first to restrain
him.
Having had to do things such as move into fires to put them out, or deal
with messy trauma situations, I think I could find it in me not to stand
by. It just saddens me that I can imagine scenarios where the only
solution might be to hurt or kill a cat.
CatNipped - 02 Feb 2005 17:59 GMT
> This brings up an interesting general question -- how to deal with a cat
> fight, or an individual demented cat, when, in one's estimate of the
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> by. It just saddens me that I can imagine scenarios where the only
> solution might be to hurt or kill a cat.
The best thing I know of to stop a cat fight is water. If you have a hose
handy, turn it on them. This might seem cruel in cold weather to the cat
who won't be coming inside with you, but it's much safer for you and safer
for your cats too (and then try to capture the soaked agressor if you can
with a humane trap).
Hugs,
CatNipped
Karen - 02 Feb 2005 18:00 GMT
As I understand the best thing is a water hose if one is available. I know
you sure don't try and grab them, but it is so instinctual it would be hard
not to!
> This brings up an interesting general question -- how to deal with a cat
> fight, or an individual demented cat, when, in one's estimate of the
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> by. It just saddens me that I can imagine scenarios where the only
> solution might be to hurt or kill a cat.
Christine Burel - 02 Feb 2005 17:26 GMT
Oh, Susan, major purrs coming for you and your family, furred and bare--I
don't know why things always go to h*ll when the DHs leave town but it
happens here, too. Please keep us updated on Otis and Chester and you
should write a letter to the SPCA -- they should not have treated you like
that. Hugs, too.
Christine
> Hi there:
>
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Irulan - 02 Feb 2005 17:28 GMT
Susan, purrs and prayers that Otis and Chester are ok all the way and
that the feral boy calms down. Boo to the SPCA for harassing you about
the feral, they have no right to do that. I would write them a letter
expressing my unhappiness about being treated that way.
You are a kind soul.
Jazz & his mama
> Hi there:
>
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester

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Monique Y. Mudama - 02 Feb 2005 18:43 GMT
> Hi there:
>
> I had a very upsetting afternoon. I can't remember the last time I've seen
> a stray cat around here. I've lived in the neighbourhood for 8 years and
> we've never had one.
[snip]
> Any spare purrs for the boys to get back to themselves (and Otis to get his
> confidence back) would be appreciated. I wish I'd taken Otis to the vet
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Susan M Otis and Chester
Purrs incoming. I would be freaked out, too. And you should definitely write
a note to the shelter manager about the fact that they're being rude to the
very people trying to help them in their mission.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 02 Feb 2005 18:48 GMT
Not to freak anyone out, but, have your kitties had rabies shots? It just
occurred to me there could be a medical reason for the abnormally aggressive
behavior.

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Susan M - 02 Feb 2005 19:38 GMT
Thanks Monique - yes, my cats are vaccinated for rabies and other things and
are scrupulously up to date. The cat was very aggressive so I was worried
that he was sick as well. Vaccinations are not a total guarantee, although
I understand that the rabies is pretty effective, but I'm glad that they
were up to date. I think that the tabby had been around people enough to
think that he wouldn't be harmed by them but I thought that he was just
plain in the throes of being an unneutered young tom trying to survive. We
live very close to an Indian reservation and there are several organizations
just devoted to picking up animals that stray from there - typically not
fixed, fed properly and generally left to fend for themselves. I wouldn't
be surprised if Mr. Tabby came from there.
I felt terrible taking him to the SPCA since it is a kill facility. It just
happened so fast and my attitude towards him changed so radically from "I
wonder who the poor guy belongs to" to "you hurt my cats and I am taking you
away from here" ... and yet I think he might be okay if he gets neutered and
a very loving family to socialize him more. He didn't know what a cat
carrier was - let me drop him in just fine. He liked to be sociable but
didn't purr or anything. It breaks my heart.
Susan M
Otis and Chester
> Not to freak anyone out, but, have your kitties had rabies shots? It just
> occurred to me there could be a medical reason for the abnormally
> aggressive
> behavior.
Christine Burel - 02 Feb 2005 20:48 GMT
Hi Susan,
Don't know if this might help with perspective but when we first got Tucker
he was wild, scared of everything, and felt that everything needed to be
defended against, preferrably with tooth and claw; hence, how I got bit when
I first met him and he got scared and startled by Robin coming up behind us
outside. It took definite coaching online for me to learn how to socialize
this poor guy and it took time. It's over a year later now and he is loving
and sweet with Celeste and I and okay with Byron and Alex but he still is
socially inept when it comes to interacting with our other cats and he
definitely is not liked by any of them. At times, I have to do what I
mentioned in a post to Yowie about putting Tucker in a 'time out" when he
does behavior that is out of bounds (put him in another room to cool off for
a little while and then I let him out for another chance); we have an uneasy
peace here but we do the best we can. You might consider seeing if there's
a feral rescue group in your area that would take him; it would involve some
effort but you never know and you might find someone who'd be willing to
work with him.)
Christine
> Thanks Monique - yes, my cats are vaccinated for rabies and other things and
> are scrupulously up to date. The cat was very aggressive so I was worried
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> just devoted to picking up animals that stray from there - typically not
> fixed, fed properly and generally left to fend for themselves. I wouldn't
> be surprised if Mr. Tabby came from there.
>
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> > aggressive
> > behavior.
Monique Y. Mudama - 03 Feb 2005 00:13 GMT
> I felt terrible taking him to the SPCA since it is a kill facility. It just
> happened so fast and my attitude towards him changed so radically from "I
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> carrier was - let me drop him in just fine. He liked to be sociable but
> didn't purr or anything. It breaks my heart.
Poor kitty. If that's the only shelter in the area, though, what can you do?
You don't want to keep a cat who can cause that kind of damage in your house,
and even if you did, what then?
At least at the shelter, he has the chance that someone will see him and take
him.

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Marina - 03 Feb 2005 04:09 GMT
> Thanks Monique - yes, my cats are vaccinated for rabies and other things and
> are scrupulously up to date. The cat was very aggressive so I was worried
> that he was sick as well.
Glad to hear your cats are up on their shots. It crossed my mind too
that the cat might be sick when I read about his very aggressive
behaviour. We're purring that he finds a good home. Don't feel bad about
taking him to a shelter. You did much more for him than most people
would, and the best you could in a bad situation.

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Ann - 02 Feb 2005 20:53 GMT
Purrs on the way.
Ann
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
polonca12000 - 02 Feb 2005 22:19 GMT
I'm so very sorry to hear about all the problems you and your kitties are
having.
Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes for Otis and Chester and lots and
lots of hugs for you, Susan,

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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Exocat - 02 Feb 2005 22:53 GMT
Really sorry to hear about all your troubles. Purrs for a good outcome.
Yes, as a significant contributor I'd say send the SPCA a stiff warning:
that's no way to treat a caring adult. In the UK there's a specialist
cat rescue society (Cats' Protection): is there similar in Canada you
could divert funds to?
I'm sure you're right about the tabby's assertive behaviour: my boys
have been attacked right under my nose in the safety of the back yard by
marauding Toms (both gone RB after arguing with wheeled trafic) who seem
determined to establish their dominance even over neutered
non-competitors. Bandit suffered quite badly but big Pericles lived up
to his red hair & gave as good as he got every time.
Didn't stop the Toms, though.
Purrs
Gordon & the TT
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> I had a very upsetting afternoon. I can't remember the last time I've
> seen a stray cat around here.
Elise - 03 Feb 2005 00:00 GMT
> Any spare purrs for the boys to get back to themselves (and Otis to get his
> confidence back) would be appreciated. I wish I'd taken Otis to the vet
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
Sending lots of purrs for Otis and Chester's well-being, both mental &
physical, and to soothe your worried mind and heart

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> Hi there:
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> Susan M
> Otis and Chester
That sounded awful all around. Purrs!

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Sam Nash - 03 Feb 2005 03:15 GMT
> Hi there:
>
> I had a very upsetting afternoon. I can't remember the last time I've
> seen a stray cat around here. I've lived in the neighbourhood for 8 years
> and we've never had one.
Wow, Susan. Purrs on the way for Otis and Chester to come back around to
their normal selves, and hissspits for the "suspicious" people at SPCA.
Sam
Adrian - 03 Feb 2005 14:45 GMT
> Hi there:
>
> I had a very upsetting afternoon. I can't remember the last time
> I've seen a stray cat around here. I've lived in the neighbourhood
> for 8 years and we've never had one.
Purrs for Otis and Chester, and your nerves. Also purrs that the stray
finds a foreverhome with resposible people.
--
Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera)
A house is not a home, without a cat.
O J - 03 Feb 2005 18:41 GMT
>I had a very upsetting afternoon. I can't remember the last time I've seen
>a stray cat around here. I've lived in the neighbourhood for 8 years and
>we've never had one.
Purrs for your cats to recover fully. As to the treatment you
received from the SPCA, I just hate it when someone assumes I'm just
trying to pull a fast one. I hope this was just an aberration on
their part. If you find the owner (if there is one), lets hope that
he or she is reasonable about neutering the tabby.
Regards and Purrs,
O J
CATherine - 04 Feb 2005 02:36 GMT
>Hi there:
>
>I had a very upsetting afternoon. I can't remember the last time I've seen
>a stray cat around here. I've lived in the neighbourhood for 8 years and
>we've never had one.
Hugs and soothing purrs for for you and Otis and Chester. Otis sounds
like he got emotionally traumatized. I hope it doesn't leave a
permanent fear in him. My Sheba became traumatized many years ago and
she has been timid and defensive ever since.
I hope the poor tomcat gets neutered and finds a loving home. It could
be he was dumped in your neighborhood after he started spraying and
terrorizing his own neighborhood.
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CATherine