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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / February 2005Purrs needed for Morgan, the baby kit
I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting sort of hungry, but when you give him his bottle, he spits it out. :( I changed formulas, just to see if he would eat, but no go. :( I am going to call the vet as soon as they open (7:30 am est US) and get him in. Patti - one worried momma! Hoping Morgan is okay. helen s > Hoping Morgan is okay. > > helen s I did not see the original post, except quoted in Kili's reply, so I thought I'd just respond here. I might be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, but I'd rather do that than not share the knowledge I've gained by successfully rearing various newborns. Baby mammals at this age, and until they can toddle around cannot urinate and defecate on their own. Their mother's tongue stimulates them to do so, so you must simulate this by wiping them on the genitals and anus with a damp tissue, something like that. I used cotton wool. Do it until they perform. Also, they must be fed every two hours, day and night, be able to suckle properly on a teat, not fed with an eye dropper or syringe, and not be fed less often and to appetite. This is very important. Little and often is the key, remove teat while they'd still perhaps like a little more and make sure toilet duties are done after each meal. And keep them very warm. I've never failed with this method. 100% survival. Hope this helps. Purrs for Morgan Tweed > I might be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, but I'd rather do that than > not share the knowledge I've gained by successfully rearing various > newborns. I've never seen that expression before ... looks very odd to this american's eye. > Also, they must be fed every two hours, day and night, be able to suckle > properly on a teat, not fed with an eye dropper or syringe, and not be fed > less often and to appetite. This is very important. Why is it so important not to feed them as much as they want? Purrs for Morgan, poor little kit.  Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> I might be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, but I'd rather do that than >> not share the knowledge I've gained by successfully rearing various >> newborns. > >I've never seen that expression before ... looks very odd to this american's >eye. Might be generational, not geographical. I bet a lot of old fart Americans know that expression. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>> I might be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, but I'd rather do that >>> than not share the knowledge I've gained by successfully rearing various [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Might be generational, not geographical. I bet a lot of old fart Americans > know that expression. ;) "Sucking eggs" just sounds like part of a rude phrase to me =P Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >>> I might be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, but I'd rather do that >>> than [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Theresa And you are calling me what? Tweed >>>> I might be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, but I'd rather do that >>>> than [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Tweed Well, in the UK, I understand only the hippest, cutting edge people use that expression. ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>> I might be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, but I'd rather do that than >>> not share the knowledge I've gained by successfully rearing various [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Might be generational, not geographical. I bet a lot of old fart >Americans know that expression. ;) I am a 47-year-old American, and learned the "Don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs" saying as a child. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >> I might be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, but I'd rather do that >> than [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > american's > eye. To teach your grandmother to suck eggs means offering advice that they might already know, and even have more experience than you. It is not a rude phrase. >> Also, they must be fed every two hours, day and night, be able to suckle >> properly on a teat, not fed with an eye dropper or syringe, and not be >> fed >> less often and to appetite. This is very important. > > Why is it so important not to feed them as much as they want? Because when they are with their mother, they suckle often, a little at a time. Maybe just 1ml every ten minutes, the milk is always available. When they are being reared artificially they can get too hungry and gorge, which causes their stomach to swell. Feeding them only every few hours and to appetite is a sure way to lose tiny babies. > Purrs for Morgan, poor little kit. Indeed. Tweed > To teach your grandmother to suck eggs means offering advice that they might > already know, and even have more experience than you. It is not a rude > phrase. I figured as much. It just sound odd. In what context does one suck eggs? I suppose this comes from before salmonella-fearing days. >> Why is it so important not to feed them as much as they want? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > which causes their stomach to swell. Feeding them only every few hours and > to appetite is a sure way to lose tiny babies. Ah. Thanks for the info. As it would be awfully hard to feed them once every ten minutes, don't you then run the risk of not feeding them enough? Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> To teach your grandmother to suck eggs means offering advice that they might >> already know, and even have more experience than you. It is not a rude >> phrase. > >I figured as much. It just sound odd. In what context does one suck eggs? It *is* an odd expression-- I know it means trying to teach something to someone who is already experienced in that subject-- and I know that several other languages also have the same expression. BUT I don't know what it's really referring to, or why someone would want to suck eggs or know how to do it. ;) I can only guess that it comes from pretty rural cultures, and from a time when salmonella was not a big consideration. ;) It's a perfectly acceptable colloquialism, though. Now telling someone to "Go suck an egg," *is* kind of rude, on the order of "Go take a long walk off a short pier." And of course, there's the song about the "Dirty Old Egg-Sucking Dog" ;) I >suppose this comes from before salmonella-fearing days. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Ah. Thanks for the info. As it would be awfully hard to feed them once every >ten minutes, don't you then run the risk of not feeding them enough? Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>> To teach your grandmother to suck eggs means offering advice that they might >>> already know, and even have more experience than you. It is not a rude [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > And of course, there's the song about the "Dirty Old Egg-Sucking Dog" > ;) I never understood just what that was about. It must be from somewhere. Still less did I understand the phrase "your mother wears army boots" or what was so bad about it. However, some of us are "preaching to the choir". Ah phrases phrases phrases. > I never understood just what that was about. It must be from somewhere. > Still less did I understand the phrase "your mother wears army boots" or > what was so bad about it. That one I can explain. The presumption is that the mother was a "camp follower" A prostitute that followed the troops around to provide their services for whatever they could get from the soldiers. Jo >> I never understood just what that was about. It must be from somewhere. >> Still less did I understand the phrase "your mother wears army boots" or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > follower" A prostitute that followed the troops around to provide their > services for whatever they could get from the soldiers. Doh! Suddenly I understand why that's such a dire insult! Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >>> I never understood just what that was about. It must be from >>> somewhere. Still less did I understand the phrase "your mother [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Doh! Suddenly I understand why that's such a dire insult! This group is so educational. ;-) -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. >> I never understood just what that was about. It must be from somewhere. >> Still less did I understand the phrase "your mother wears army boots" or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jo OOOOoohhhhh! >> I never understood just what that was about. It must be from somewhere. >> Still less did I understand the phrase "your mother wears army boots" or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Jo Once the Joker said that to Batman, and Batman said "Yes, and as I recall, she found them quite comfortable." ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >>> I never understood just what that was about. It must be from somewhere. >>> Still less did I understand the phrase "your mother wears army boots" or [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Once the Joker said that to Batman, and Batman said "Yes, and as I > recall, she found them quite comfortable." ;) It's weird the way phrases will hang around till long after they are meaningless. And they way some people will use them with no thought or concept of what they mean. We had a neighbor years ago that treated her son horribly. And spent a lot of time screaming at the top of her lungs at him. Her favorite "Son of a Bitch". All the neighbors were inclined to agree but failed to see how that was the kids fault. Another word that wants to hang around is bastard. A simple word used to define someone who's parents were not married at the time of their birth. But in the last fifty years we've gone from desperate measures to avoid that situation or to hide it, to brides who want to look good at their wedding and be able to enjoy the reception, so postpone the festivities for no more reason than that. When I look at the birth announcements in the paper those with two parents listed are in the minority. Not to mention I never did understand what the parents legal arrangements had to do with the kid. By the time I came along people had begun to stop attaching any parental stigma to their children. When my oldest daughter was born, we had a really sweet case worker that handled our homestudy and the adoption. After most everything was done except the actual placement she called us on the phone. Said she was completing the paperwork to turn in and she had to ask us one more question. That she apologized but that it was part of the paperwork and had to be asked and answered. The question? Do you have any problem with adopting a child that is a bastard? I could not imagine anyone who was trying to adopt answering that question yes. But there must have been a time when it might have been considered a problem. Jo >>>> I never understood just what that was about. It must be from somewhere. >>>> Still less did I understand the phrase "your mother wears army boots" or [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Bitch". All the neighbors were inclined to agree but failed to see how that >was the kids fault. LOL. There was a family around the corner from me that had huge fights-- in the summertime, the "lady" of the house could be heard all over the neighborhood. One evening I was having dinner with a friend who lived next door to her. It was a lovely summer evening, and we had the windows open. All of a sudden, we could hear "Emily Post's" voice booming all over the yard-- "DON'T YOU CALL *ME* A DOUCHEBAG!!!" After a brief stunned silence, we were just absolutely racked with laughter. We coluldn't breaths and were all in tears. Of course, we were all immediately full of obvious comebacks, and none of us could ever see the woman outside again without seeing an imaginary neon sign over her head, blinking "DOUCHEBAG" on and off. ;) >Another word that wants to hang around is bastard. A simple word used to >define someone who's parents were not married at the time of their birth. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >asked and answered. The question? Do you have any problem with adopting a >child that is a bastard? And of course in Australia it has long been a term of endearment! ;) Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com :: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:27:41 -0800, "Jo Firey" <JAfirey@NETZERO.NET> :: yodeled: :: :::: On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:28:22 -0800, "Jo Firey" <JAfirey@NETZERO.NET> :::: yodeled: :::: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] ::::: ::::: That one I can explain. The presumption is that the mother was a ::::: "camp follower" A prostitute that followed the troops around to ::::: provide their services for whatever they could get from the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :::: :::: Once the Joker said that to Batman, and Batman said "Yes, and as I :::: recall, she found them quite comfortable." ;) :::: ::: It's weird the way phrases will hang around till long after they are ::: meaningless. And they way some people will use them with no ::: thought or concept of what they mean. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] :: in the summertime, the "lady" of the house could be heard all over :: the neighborhood. One evening I was having dinner with a friend who :: lived next door to her. It was a lovely summer evening, and we had :: the windows open. All of a sudden, we could hear "Emily Post's" :: voice booming all over the yard-- "DON'T YOU CALL *ME* A :: DOUCHEBAG!!!" After a brief stunned silence, we were just absolutely :: racked with laughter. We coluldn't breaths and were all in tears. :: Of course, we were all immediately full of obvious comebacks, and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] ::: But in the last fifty years we've gone from desperate measures to ::: avoid that situation or to hide it, to brides who want to look good ::: at their wedding and be able to enjoy the reception, so postpone ::: the festivities for no more reason than that. When I look at the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] ::: ::: When my oldest daughter was born, we had a really sweet case worker ::: that handled our homestudy and the adoption. After most everything ::: was done except the actual placement she called us on the phone. ::: Said she was completing the paperwork to turn in and she had to ask ::: us one more question. That she apologized but that it was part of ::: the paperwork and had to be asked and answered. The question? Do ::: you have any problem with adopting a child that is a bastard? :: :: And of course in Australia it has long been a term of endearment! ;) We're been affectionately calling Vino a bastard forever. It suits him perfectly, he's such a little bastard ;-) -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > I never understood just what that was about. It must be from somewhere. > Still less did I understand the phrase "your mother wears army boots" or > what was so bad about it. However, some of us are "preaching to the > choir". > Ah phrases phrases phrases. But...my mother DID wear Army boots, at least in fatigues. She wore the appropriate shoes with other uniforms. In WWII, she was in the Navy, and presumably wore Navy boots. She was the only person I've ever heard of who was involuntarily direct-commissioned into the Army while a Navy reservist. >>> I might be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, but I'd rather do >>> that than [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > they might already know, and even have more experience than you. It > is not a rude phrase. To stick my 'Merkan nose in here, to tell somone to "go suck an egg" is a somewhat rude comment. Means the same as 'get lost', but with the inference of 'go to 7734' in it as well. But I did understand your comment. --? The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep To teach your grandmother to suck eggs means offering advice that they might already know, and even have more experience than you. It is not a rude phrase. > Hi Tweed, Thanks for the chuckle, I hadn't heard that phrase in a long time! In the US, it means about the same as telling someone to 'bugger off', if I understand that phrase right. <G> I just posted an update on Morgan, and he is doing better. Patti > > Hoping Morgan is okay. > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Tweed My copies of The New Natural Cat also encourage the use of a warm, wet washcloth down in the appropriate region to encourage the bowels and bladder. The washcloth is as close as we can come to a mother cat's nice, rough tongue. All I can tell you is that I was awfully grateful for Francesca's strong maternal instinct when Nina was this tiny. Duplicating everything a mother cat does for her kittens is no easy job for humans who have small issues, such as a 40 hour a week day job, etc etc. I hope this will help Morgan continue on his path to survival. We're all pulling for the little guy. Melissa > I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really > hasn't had anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Patti - one worried momma! Oh no! Please let us know what happens! I've got a special little place in my heart for that little trooper. kili > I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had > anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Patti - one worried momma! Oh no!! Purrs going out. I hope you can get him in right away. > I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had > anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting > sort of hungry, but when you give him his bottle, he spits it out. :( I > changed formulas, just to see if he would eat, but no go. :( > I am going to call the vet as soon as they open (7:30 am est US) and get him > in. Purrs for Morgan. My niece had to force-feed Kira's kittens for several weeks (put a tube down their throats into the stomach). Hope Morgan will be alright. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki Patti wrote: >I am worried about Morgan. Here's hoping the little tyke will be OK. We'll be waiting for the news. Regards and Purrs, O J Purring for the little one, let us know how it goes. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had >anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting >sort of hungry, but when you give him his bottle, he spits it out. :( I >changed formulas, just to see if he would eat, but no go. :( >I am going to call the vet as soon as they open (7:30 am est US) and get him >in. Oooh. Poor little guy. Big appetite purrs coming your way. Hope all turns out well, and keep us posted. L. >I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had >anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Patti - one worried momma! Oh no! Monster purrs for the tiny mite! He seems like such a great little guy. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had > anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Patti - one worried momma! Oh dear, I hope he'll be okay! It is very hard for a human to care for a kitten who is that tiny. I hope the vet will be able to pull the little fellow through. Major purrs, especially from Francesca, my mama kitty. Melissa Lots of purrs and best wishes for nothing serious to be wrong with Morgan, SignaturePolonca & Soncek > I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had > anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Patti - one worried momma! Three sets of real purrs and one hoomin equivalent. Really pulling for him -- he seems to have quite a personality for such a wee one. >I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had >anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Patti - one worried momma! Purrs on their way for the little one. Ginger-lyn > I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had > anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Patti - one worried momma! oh no, please keep us updated. We will purr and pray that everything goes well. Poor baby kit. Jazz & his mama SignatureIrulan from the stars we came, to the stars we return from now until the end of time. > I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had > anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Patti - one worried momma! Purrs on the way for poor little Morgan. Hopefully he has his appetite back by now but we'll continue to send purrs. Julie and The Pride of Stone Mountain Came to this thread late, but many purrs from us for Morgan! Christine > > I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had > > anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Julie and The Pride of Stone Mountain >I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had >anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting >sort of hungry, but when you give him his bottle, he spits it out. :( I >changed formulas, just to see if he would eat, but no go. :( >I am going to call the vet as soon as they open (7:30 am est US) and get him >in. Purrs on the way SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy and Little Bit stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html Purrs and purr-ayers on the way for Morgan! Donna, Captain and Stanley >I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had > anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Patti - one worried momma! Hope the little guy is OK or at least the problem can be dealt with. Bet he could be a little constipated without a momma to lick his tummy. Jo > I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't had > anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, purring and acting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Patti - one worried momma! Awww, loads of purrs for baby Morgan. We hope he's okay. ------ Krista > I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really > hasn't had anything since about 1:30 pm yesterday. He is acting ok, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Patti - one worried momma! Purrs that morgan makes it. It's very difficult with such a young kitten, but he won't be the first one you've saved. So I'm sure you know a lot more than I do. -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. Anxious purrs forthcoming from Cornwall for little Morgan's wellbeing. Gordon, Bandit, Pericles & Snowball >I am worried about Morgan. He is refusing to eat, and he really hasn't >had [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > get him > in. |
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