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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2005[OT] Tummy ache remedies?
[TMI (too much information) warning ... ] So, after years on Depo, I decided to give my body a break and switch back to the pill. I've only been on it for a week, and my stomach is often upset, especially when it's empty. It seems to be completely unrelated to when I actually take the medicine. There are more women here than in most of my social groups, so I thought I'd ask here. Anyone have this problem? Any ideas on how to settle my stomach? I think this is one of those symptoms that is fairly common and subsides after a few months, but I don't really want to wait that long! Also, my doctor told me that most women tolerate this pill very well; others are more known for having side effects.  Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > [TMI (too much information) warning ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ask here. Anyone have this problem? Any ideas on how to settle my > stomach? Be more specific. Are we talking about diarrhoea? Or vomiting? Or both? The euph.. upset stomach can cover both. Tweed >> Any ideas on how to settle my stomach? > > Be more specific. Are we talking about diarrhoea? Or vomiting? Or > both? The euph.. upset stomach can cover both. Oh. Um, I meant what I said. Purely that my stomach is upset and doesn't feel well. No diarrhoea or vomiting. Just discomfort that sometimes peaks to pain. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > >> Any ideas on how to settle my stomach? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > well. No diarrhoea or vomiting. Just discomfort that sometimes peaks to > pain. Let me throw out several possible remedies, if you don't mind them coming from a man. :-) There are several fairly expensive anti-nausea syrups such as Emetrol. They work, but I prefer to use a tablespoonful or so, every 15 minutes or so until I feel better (or about 4-6 doses) of Coca-Cola concentrate. Many pharmacies stock it behind the counter. "Sports drinks" may help, in that they have sugar in them -- which halps sodium and potassium get absorbed. A rehydration drink with a starch in it works far better. There's a classic Chinese soup-like dish called, depending on the dialect, jook or congee. Take a fairly small amount of rice -- perhaps half a cup to a quart of water, or even more water, and simmer until the rice grains start to break up. This can be flavored with lots of things, ginger and soy being a start -- orange rind, in moderation, gives a nice taste. Chicken simmered well in it gives you the Chinese-Jewish approach. Let me mention a couple of "upset stomach" drugs that work differently than antacids, which I assume you've tried. Gaviscon, like prescription Carafate, actually coats the stomach. Pepto-Bismol has turned out, in recent years, to be much more medically respected -- the bismuth salicylate it contains actually stabilizes quite a bit and also has real effect against certain irritation and ulceration. >>>> Any ideas on how to settle my stomach? >>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > salicylate it contains actually stabilizes quite a bit and also has real > effect against certain irritation and ulceration. Or maybe just snack on some crackers between meals. > Or maybe just snack on some crackers between meals. Stop, you, with the common sense! Of which I am admittedly lacking =/ Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Let me throw out several possible remedies, if you don't mind them coming > from a man. :-) I don't care who they come from, as long as they work! > There are several fairly expensive anti-nausea syrups such as Emetrol. They > work, but I prefer to use a tablespoonful or so, every 15 minutes or so > until I feel better (or about 4-6 doses) of Coca-Cola concentrate. Many > pharmacies stock it behind the counter. This seems to be an ongoing thing, and often seems to start when my stomach is most empty, like an hour before I need to wake up, so I'll do this if I have to, but I hope I don't have to make it a daily ritual! > "Sports drinks" may help, in that they have sugar in them -- which halps > sodium and potassium get absorbed. A rehydration drink with a starch in it > works far better. Hrm. With starch? Can you give me an example? I don't recall seeing starches listed on Gatoraide etc, but then, I wasn't looking for them. Maybe Pedialite (sp?)? I've been told that particular stuff can really help in endurance races. > There's a classic Chinese soup-like dish called, depending on the > dialect, jook or congee. Take a fairly small amount of rice -- perhaps [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > gives a nice taste. Chicken simmered well in it gives you the > Chinese-Jewish approach. This actually sounds like an awesome "feel better" recipe for more than just upset tummies. I'll have to file it away. I guess you'd have to be careful not to add seasonings too lively for the tummy in question. > Let me mention a couple of "upset stomach" drugs that work differently > than antacids, which I assume you've tried. Gaviscon, like > prescription Carafate, actually coats the stomach. Pepto-Bismol has > turned out, in recent years, to be much more medically respected -- > the bismuth salicylate it contains actually stabilizes quite a bit and > also has real effect against certain irritation and ulceration. I've kind of been avoiding meds so far, because I didn't want to do the wrong thing. What I'd like to know (and can't seem to find) is *why* the pill makes my stomach hurt. It seems like that critical bit of info would help me pick the right approach, but all the little booklet says is that you might get a stomach ache. Helpful, neh? I read a lot here about giving cats yoghurt if they're on antibiotics. I wonder if there's any similarity there to what I'm experiencing? I just don't know enough about this stuff. I always thought that Pepto-Bismol was a stomach coater. I don't know how it works, but for really bad stomach aches, I've found that it has two results: it settles your stomach or it encourages you to throw up whatever's in your stomach, pink froth and all. The latter is still probably better than keeping whatever's causing trouble in your stomach. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> Let me throw out several possible remedies, if you don't mind them coming >> from a man. :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> work, but I prefer to use a tablespoonful or so, every 15 minutes or so >> until I feel better (or about 4-6 doses) of Coca-Cola concentrate. Many >> pharmacies stock it behind the counter. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Pedialite (sp?)? I've been told that particular stuff can really help in >endurance races. The standard do-it-yourself mix for rehydrating someone with diarrhea is water with salt and sugar (I don't remember how much of each). The digestive system will absorb such a mix more readily than it will plain water. If you are having trouble with low blood sugar in the morning, you might want to try eating a small snack at bedtime. Something with anough starch to be digested slowly (such as beans, oatmeal, or whole-wheat bread) would probably be of more benefit than a sugary snack, which produces a quick spike in blood sugar, followed by low blood sugar. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) - WinPT 0.7.96rc1 Yeah. Crackers. 1 > Yeah. Crackers. And, I repeat, crackers, not quackers. Swallowing a live, quacking duck will neither calm your stomach nor the duck. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > help in > >endurance races. I would guess Pedialyte does use starch, but that's only a guess. > The standard do-it-yourself mix for rehydrating someone with diarrhea > is water with salt and sugar (I don't remember how much of each). > The digestive system will absorb such a mix more readily than it will > plain water. The World Health Organization improvised formula is: 20 grams of Glucose 1.75 teaspoons of table salt 1.25 teaspoons of Sodium Bicarbonate or Bicarbonate of Soda (same thing). Mix with 1 liter of cold water. Regular table sugar is sucrose, not dextrose. I will have to do some checking to find the equivalent in sucrose, and the volume. Offhand, for English measurements, I'd assume 2 Tablespoons sugar 1 1/2 Tsp salt 1 1/4 Tsp baking soda It actually would be better with starch and some potassium, but these aren't going to be as easily available. > If you are having trouble with low blood sugar in the morning, you > might want to try eating a small snack at bedtime. Something with > anough starch to be digested slowly (such as beans, oatmeal, or > whole-wheat bread) would probably be of more benefit than a sugary > snack, which produces a quick spike in blood sugar, followed by low > blood sugar. On 2005-01-23, John F Eldredge penned: > If you are having trouble with low blood sugar in the morning, you might > want to try eating a small snack at bedtime. Something with anough starch > to be digested slowly (such as beans, oatmeal, or whole-wheat bread) would > probably be of more benefit than a sugary snack, which produces a quick > spike in blood sugar, followed by low blood sugar. If low blood sugar is a feeling of disorientation, grouchiness, and an inability to think straight, that never happens to me in the morning, even if I'm starving. It happens quite often in the evening, though, if I don't get the chance to have an early dinner. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tummy ache remedies?: >If low blood sugar is a feeling of disorientation, grouchiness, and an >inability to think straight, that never happens to me in the morning, even if >I'm starving. It happens quite often in the evening, though, if I don't get >the chance to have an early dinner. My DH [type 2 diabetic] says that sounds pretty close to his symptoms when he's low. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: [OT] Tummy ache remedies?: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > My DH [type 2 diabetic] says that sounds pretty close to his symptoms when > he's low. *nod* I've talked to my doctor, and I'm not, apparently, diabetic. I just get grouchy when I'm hungry. Well, sometimes. It's a mystery to me. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > >> Any ideas on how to settle my stomach? > > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > salicylate it contains actually stabilizes quite a bit and also has real > effect against certain irritation and ulceration. Yes, but can cause constipation. :( >> Let me mention a couple of "upset stomach" drugs that work differently than >> antacids, which I assume you've tried. Gaviscon, like prescription [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yes, but can cause constipation. :( The only thing I've noticed with Pepto is that for the next day or so, everything is black. Haven't noticed constipation, fortunately. Black is weird enough. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >>> Let me mention a couple of "upset stomach" drugs that work differently >>> than [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > everything is black. Haven't noticed constipation, fortunately. Black is > weird enough. Black is not good. Black means there is blood in the stool (digested blood turns black instead of red), coming from somewhere in your stomach or intestines. If you're having black stools, notify your doctor immediately. Hugs, CatNipped >> The only thing I've noticed with Pepto is that for the next day or so, >> everything is black. Haven't noticed constipation, fortunately. Black is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > turns black instead of red), coming from somewhere in your stomach or > intestines. If you're having black stools, notify your doctor immediately. Only happens after I've used pepto, for about a day, and then I'm back to normal. DH says the same happens to him. I really don't think it's blood; I assumed the pink stuff just turns black passing through the system. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > >> The only thing I've noticed with Pepto is that for the next day or so, > >> everything is black. Haven't noticed constipation, fortunately. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > blood; I > assumed the pink stuff just turns black passing through the system. OK -- did some checking of the literature. The bismuth subsalicylate in Pepto is known to cause dark stools, usually described as "grayish-black". When upper GI bleeding is present, it's a very dark black. Check if you can get an occult blood test kit from a local pharmacy, one that gives a direct readout (some test strips have to go to a lab). Your doctor may be able to mail one to you, and save a visit if it's negative. > OK -- did some checking of the literature. The bismuth subsalicylate in > Pepto is known to cause dark stools, usually described as "grayish-black". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that gives a direct readout (some test strips have to go to a lab). Your > doctor may be able to mail one to you, and save a visit if it's negative. I honestly think I'm okay. If I'm not taking pepto and I see this kind of coloration, I'll definitely get it checked out. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >>> The only thing I've noticed with Pepto is that for the next day or so, >>> everything is black. Haven't noticed constipation, fortunately. Black [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > blood; I > assumed the pink stuff just turns black passing through the system. OK, that's good - I worry (I'm a MaMere, I *always* worry!! ;>). Hugs, CatNipped > OK, that's good - I worry (I'm a MaMere, I *always* worry!! ;>). > > Hugs, > > CatNipped I don't mind at all! Thanks for the warning. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > >> Let me mention a couple of "upset stomach" drugs that work differently > >> than [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > is > weird enough. Ummm....hate to go to the TMI, but "black and tarry" is the usual clinical description of a fecal sample from a person that has bleeding relatively high in their gastrointestinal tract, enough that the blood is partially digested. That's not 100%; there are some chemical reactions that could cause that, although I can't think offhand of anything associated with Pepto. Given that you are having stomach symptoms, I would want to be checked. Conceivably, it is a stomach ulcer. The good news is that the cause of about 85% of ulcers is a curable bacterial infection, and there's a simple breath test that can check for the infection. Obviously, this is total guessing on my part, just the combination of a couple of things that might mean something if related -- and may be completely unrelated and insignificant. >> The only thing I've noticed with Pepto is that for the next day or so, >> everything is black. Haven't noticed constipation, fortunately. Black is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cause that, although I can't think offhand of anything associated with > Pepto. Clarification: I haven't had any pepto for probably a month or more. But whenever I use it, my stool is black, regardless of its consistency, for about a day. > Given that you are having stomach symptoms, I would want to be checked. > Conceivably, it is a stomach ulcer. The good news is that the cause of about > 85% of ulcers is a curable bacterial infection, and there's a simple breath > test that can check for the infection. Everything on that end (hah, hah) is working fine right now. > Obviously, this is total guessing on my part, just the combination of a > couple of things that might mean something if related -- and may be > completely unrelated and insignificant. I appreciate the concern and would much rather someone warn me of something that might not be the case than not warn me of something that might be the case =) I don't think it applies in this particular case, though. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* Thats the first time I've heard of coca cola concentrate Howard, but whenI started work at Boral canteen yrs ago a few of the men would come in early and ask for a coke I wondered why and was told some of them had ulcers and some just had hangovers, I was amazed, { iwas only young then of course, nothing amazes me now, weeell,not much. > > >> Any ideas on how to settle my stomach? > > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > salicylate it contains actually stabilizes quite a bit and also has real > effect against certain irritation and ulceration. > Thats the first time I've heard of coca cola concentrate Howard, > but whenI started work at Boral canteen yrs ago a few of the men would > come > in early and ask for a coke I wondered why and was told some of them had > ulcers and some just had hangovers, I was amazed, { iwas only young then > of course, nothing amazes me now, weeell,not much. The basic rule, of course, is when you find something works -- keep doing it. Now, normally I drink a lot of diet ginger ale, as well as club soda. For some reason, the ginger ale is much more settling to my stomach when I put lemon into it. > Be more specific. Are we talking about diarrhoea? Or vomiting? Or both? > The euph.. upset stomach can cover both. Where is the TMI warning? ;-) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> Be more specific. Are we talking about diarrhoea? Or vomiting? Or >> both? The euph.. upset stomach can cover both. > > Where is the TMI warning? ;-) Victor, this group IS a TMI warning. :-) Pam S. who's reported more than her fair share of TMIs > >> Be more specific. Are we talking about diarrhoea? Or vomiting? Or > >> both? The euph.. upset stomach can cover both. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pam S. who's reported more than her fair share of TMIs TMI can be useful if you are standing in line and want it to move more quickly. A detailed medical discussion often quickly clears people away, as do certain military discussions. I was going to dinner a while back with a group that was mostly medical, with one battlefield-experienced physician and one combat veteran soldier. The latter got a little greenish. Apparently, I'm atypical of many men and a surprising amount of women. I remember a time when someone was trying to find out if I really knew what I was talking about with respect to a GYN exam. Midway through my explanation, my female friend whispered in my ear, "_I_ didn't know that's what goes on in a pelvic exam. I just shut my eyes and wait for it to be over." Any sensitivity on that sort of thing was burned out by my first wife. I had had surgery for a pilonoidal cyst, a procedure that has a lot of postoperative bleeding in an awkward-to-bandage place. The practical solution is to tape sanitary pads to one's rear end. On my first wobbly-footed trip out of the house, we went to the drugstore for supplies. The cart was rather full of boxes of Kotex, enough that the clerk was someone shocked. As we got to the checkout, she said, in a trained voice that carried, "oh, these aren't for me. They are for my husband." From then on, I referred to such things as "masculine napkins". > enough that the clerk was someone shocked. As we got to the checkout, > she said, in a trained voice that carried, "oh, these aren't for me. > They are for my husband." LOL! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> > Where is the TMI warning? ;-) >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > she said, in a trained voice that carried, "oh, these aren't for me. > They are for my husband." My mom used to send my dad to the store for such things as she was embarrassed to buy them. I swore I would never do such a thing. Until I had surgery a couple of years ago and a chest incision that would not heal up and quit draining. Plus a reaction to tape. Charlie quickly took over, checking out every type of dressing and tape he could find. And even discussing with store personnel which type of sanitary napkin would best serve as a surgical dressing. What a guy. Especially as he doesn't handle this sort of thing well at all. He can't stand the sight of blood. His certainly included. Has to be at least two rooms away if I am going to give myself an injection etc. The only way I even got him to visit me in the hospital was to tell him the water tasted terrible and he would come by twice a day with partially frozen bottled water. Jo "Jo Firey" <JAfirey@NETZERO.NET> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tummy ache remedies?: >My mom used to send my dad to the store for such things as she was >embarrassed to buy them. I swore I would never do such a thing. My DH *refuses* to buy feminine items for me. He's too embarrassed. :-) Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > "Jo Firey" <JAfirey@NETZERO.NET> had some very interesting things to say > about Re: [OT] Tummy ache remedies?: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > My DH *refuses* to buy feminine items for me. He's too embarrassed. >:-) I don't think my DH will care, but I guess I'll find out soon. I haven't had my period in the whole time I've known him, plus about 3 or 4 years (can't quite remember). Ahh, there are definitely some nice things about depo. I suspect I will be more upset by these changes than he will be. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > My mom used to send my dad to the store for such things as she was > embarrassed to buy them. I swore I would never do such a thing. I honestly don't see what the big deal is. When my two (then) 14-year old nieces came to visit a couple of summers ago, they both decided to start having their periods at the same time... :) So, I took them to the grocery store to buy supplies. The funny thing was that there were a bunch of new (to them) brands to choose from and their favorite brand was not available. So they turned to me and asked me which one to get. I replied, how on earth would I know? Just pick the most expensive one, I'm sure it's good. :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Early training, I think. Or something cultural. I know when I was a teenager such things were Never Ever mentioned in public, and certainly never referred to in the presence of a member of the opposite sex. I know that I never bought such items myself until I moved away from home, preferring to have my mother do it. And the very thought of handling such thing in a store which might have male employees!!! Even, possibly, young male employees!!!! Horrifying! I got out of such attitudes not long after I left home (well, if you really need them, and your mother isn't around to buy them, what do you do? Find a store with only female clerks and customers?). And I also eventually learned that clerks - male or female - weren't really interested in what I was buying or why I was buying it. SignatureCheryl > Early training, I think. Or something cultural. I know when I was a teenager > such things were Never Ever mentioned in public, and certainly never [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > that clerks - male or female - weren't really interested in what I was > buying or why I was buying it. I remember also being really freaked out at the idea of buying "feminine products" (really, I feel about as far from feminine as you can get when that stuff's going on), condoms, etc. as a teenager. I think part of that is just typical teenage angst. As a teenager, you're hyper-self-conscious and convinced that everyone is taking note of your pimples, the one sprig of hair that won't behave, etc. So of course they care about your personal habits, too. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > My mom used to send my dad to the store for such things as she was > > embarrassed to buy them. I swore I would never do such a thing. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > me which one to get. I replied, how on earth would I know? Just pick the > most expensive one, I'm sure it's good. :) LOL! Kudos, Victor, not many men could have carried that off with such aplomb! Hugs, CatNipped > -- > Victor M. Martinez > Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) > Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov > Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> My mom used to send my dad to the store for such things as she was >> embarrassed to buy them. I swore I would never do such a thing. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > one to get. I replied, how on earth would I know? Just pick the most > expensive one, I'm sure it's good. :) TMI warning. You are such a darling, Victor. My 14 y o experience was different. It happened and I was afraid to tell my mother. I tried to manage with toilet paper for two days, which is ridiculous, it isn't up to it. I had to pluck up my courage to say what was happening to me. No female child should go through that, they need to be prepared and find it easy to confide, I didn't. Should have been talked about more, like it was normal. I thought I was bleeding to death and would definitely die. Tweed > TMI warning. Hehehe... had to get back at you... :) > You are such a darling, Victor. Why, thank you... :) :) :) > confide, I didn't. Should have been talked about more, like it was normal. > I thought I was bleeding to death and would definitely die. One of my nieces just has horrible timing (or is it me?), but every time she spends a few days with me (usually at my parent's house over x-mas) I end up driving her to the pharmacy to buy supplies... She has absolutely no problem telling me what she needs... it helps that her mom is a medical doctor, she even uses the correct terminology! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > One of my nieces just has horrible timing (or is it me?), but every time she > spends a few days with me (usually at my parent's house over x-mas) I end up > driving her to the pharmacy to buy supplies... She has absolutely no problem > telling me what she needs... it helps that her mom is a medical doctor, she > even uses the correct terminology! The word "timing" tipped a memory. When women live in close proximity, they tend to share the same cycle. As a freshman new to college dorms, and one of the few already on the pill, it was pretty funny to observe the rest of the hall's bodies adjusting to the pull of my artificially-supplemented hormones. As the year went on, just about everyone acquired this particular medication. Of course, it was *never* as birth control. Oh no. It was to control acne, or because they had some sort of medical condition, etc etc whatever. But oh no, mom and dad, not because I need birth control! Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > TMI warning. > You are such a darling, Victor. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tweed Your mother sounds like my mother. Fortunately my grandmother had already done the whole explanation thing and demonstration of supplies needed and their use. Along with stories of what females of her generation had to deal with. I think she knew I needed to know more than her daughter-in-law was likely to tell me. My wake up call several months ago came on a shopping trip to Target with my teenage grandsons. The three of us were shopping for "essentials" such as socks and toothpaste and I pretty much told them to get whatever they needed within reason. Among other things a decent sized box of condoms showed up in the cart. I didn't say anything. I mean I'm certainly not going to tell them they can't buy them right? I even managed not to look shocked. And warned grandpa so he wouldn't over react if he ended up in the same situation. Still think if they need they should buy their own. But very glad they aren't too embarrassed to buy them. Jo > My wake up call several months ago came on a shopping trip to Target with my > teenage grandsons. The three of us were shopping for "essentials" such as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > situation. Still think if they need they should buy their own. But very > glad they aren't too embarrassed to buy them. A lot cheaper than the alternatives ... I remember my HS boyfriend and I convincing his younger brother to sneak some condoms into the grocery cart while his mom was shopping. Unfortunately, his parents were sticklers for checking receipts. The younger brother came through like a champ, claiming that he and a friend were going to put them on doorknobs as a prank. In retrospect, I don't think they believed him, as we got to keep the condoms ... Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > TMI warning. > > You are such a darling, Victor. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > situation. Still think if they need they should buy their own. But very > glad they aren't too embarrassed to buy them. I've heard it said that in the fifties, people went into a drugstore and whispered to the clerk that they wanted to buy condoms. These days, the condoms are on display, but they have to request cigarettes from a clerk. > I've heard it said that in the fifties, people went into a drugstore and > whispered to the clerk that they wanted to buy condoms. > > These days, the condoms are on display, but they have to request > cigarettes from a clerk. You had to whisper to the clerk to get them in the late 60s and early 70s back in Eastern Washington as well. Then I moved to Eugene Oregon and found the stores displaying them on racks. Eugene has a large gay population, and is more open about personal needs than Eastern Washington ever was. As a person who was seriously addicted to cigarettes, I think they should be kept behind the counter. I've never heard of someone having a condom addiction. Pam S. >> I've heard it said that in the fifties, people went into a drugstore and >> whispered to the clerk that they wanted to buy condoms. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Pam S. How securely tobacco products are stored has a lot to do with how heavily they are taxed. I don't know about now, but a few years ago they were displayed in the south like candy and chips. The profit margin was high enough that the stores were willing to absorb some theft loss to increase sales. In California, the taxes have increased and driven the profit margin way down. The loss of a pack more than wipes out the profit on a carton. So the stores are much more careful to secure them. And a lot of places just don't sell them at all. I don't think Target here sells tobacco anymore. Bars and restaurants don't. Machines are out, etc. Jo > How securely tobacco products are stored has a lot to do with how heavily > they are taxed. I don't know about now, but a few years ago they were [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > don't sell them at all. I don't think Target here sells tobacco anymore. > Bars and restaurants don't. Machines are out, etc. They now have to be locked up, by law, here in North Carolina. I read somewhere that North Carolina has the USA's second lowest tax on them at $.18 per pack. IIRC only Kentucky has a lower tax rate. Pam S. > > I've heard it said that in the fifties, people went into a drugstore > > and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > should be kept behind the counter. I've never heard of someone having a > condom addiction. I'm trying to decide if putting a condom on a cigarette would satisfy the oral craving without the nicotine, or would be too much of a fire hazard. > situation. Still think if they need they should buy their own. But very > glad they aren't too embarrassed to buy them. Absolutely! Those freeloaders... getting grandma to buy their condoms... :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > TMI warning. You are such a darling, Victor. My 14 y o experience was > different. It happened and I was afraid to tell my mother. I tried to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tweed That's horrible. My mom's best friend also had the same experience and thought she was dying. Honestly, I don't understand what sort of misplaced sense of propriety would allow a child to go through that. Fortunately, my mom was the polar opposite. In fact, as I got older, she told me she would put me on the pill when I was 16; and she did. If I ever do have kids, I imagine having a bowl of condoms or something available, no questions asked. Not sure how to arrange it so the kids won't think I'm spying on them, but there must be a way. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > TMI warning. You are such a darling, Victor. My 14 y o experience was > > different. It happened and I was afraid to tell my mother. I tried to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > won't > think I'm spying on them, but there must be a way. A friend was straightening out her son's room and found some condoms. Now, she will go to rock concerts with them and has more piercings than most of their girlfriends, although she agreed that it was a BAD idea to get a piercing and then go immediately to full-contact karate practice, without a chest protector. Anyway, she took a condom, blew it up like a balloon, and drew a "happy face" on it, with the words" Let's talk!" coming out of the smile. > A friend was straightening out her son's room and found some condoms. Now, > she will go to rock concerts with them and has more piercings than most of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Anyway, she took a condom, blew it up like a balloon, and drew a "happy > face" on it, with the words" Let's talk!" coming out of the smile. That is awesome. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > That's horrible. My mom's best friend also had the same experience and > thought she was dying. Honestly, I don't understand what sort of misplaced [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > available, no questions asked. Not sure how to arrange it so the kids won't > think I'm spying on them, but there must be a way. The only thing that freaked me out about starting (at age 12) was that I didn't have supplies of my own and would have to go into my mom's supplies. I'd seen the movies at school and heard the lecture from the teacher (female) about our bodies and what to expect. The funny thing was, some months later I was home, ill (again) and started my period. I went into the bathroom and took care of it. Mom was home from work that day (nurses aide) and remarked that she was so glad that she'd told me all about puberty. I told her that she didn't and that I'd learned about puberty and periods from health class. She was so proud of me taking care of my "needs" that she announced it at the dinner table. I made sure not to let her know anything about my periods after that. With the kids, I put Mandy on the pill at age 16. I knew that she and Jim were going to be sexually active, no matter how much they protested that it was the last thing on their minds. I also buy condoms and dump them in a drawer in the bathroom. I never count how many there are. I just buy a box and put them in. I figure that, while I might be supplying all of their friends as well, it is better than hearing from them or their parents how they are, or got as girl, pregnant. Pam S. > With the kids, I put Mandy on the pill at age 16. I knew that she and Jim > were going to be sexually active, no matter how much they protested that it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > friends as well, it is better than hearing from them or their parents how > they are, or got as girl, pregnant. Agreed 100%. It's hard enough to convince kids to *use* condoms ... I'd just as soon make it as easy as possible. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > That's horrible. My mom's best friend also had the same experience and > > thought she was dying. Honestly, I don't understand what sort of [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > supplying all of their friends as well, it is better than hearing from > them or their parents how they are, or got as girl, pregnant. I often find it hard to think there's too much information in areas like this. My ex-wife had a brilliant gynecologist, who had some unusual educational techniques. When she judged a married couple could learn from the experience, both in general knowledge and in knowing one another's bodies, she would have (with the wife's permission), the husband first observe pelvic exams, and then very carefully coached in doing a basic one. Going into that, I could have given a thorough textbook description of the procedure and the anatomy, and certainly had practical experience. Nevertheless, both of us learned from the procedure. It was a very different situation when she suddenly developed abdominal pain, and we rushed to the ER. Our primary physician happened to be there, and he joined in the workup. There is an informal Law of Emergency Medicine "no woman of childbearing age, presenting with abdominal pain, can be diagnosed without at least two consultants." Unfortunately, Michael, the internist, had recently sprained his wrist playing tennis. As he was examining my wife, there was a loud POP as one of his tendons jerked, his wrist briefly dislocated, and both of them screamed. It happened all three of us were seeing the same hand specialist. After she caught her breath, she thundered at him: "You will get me a note from Bruce (the hand surgeon) before you get NEAR that part again." Well, we told Bruce about the incident before Michael called him. Only then did we remember Bruce had been a gynecologist before he went back for orthopedic and hand surgery training. It probably took him five minutes to get his composure, tears running down his face...and then he called the internist. It was a fascinating lecture. "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tummy ache remedies?: >My 14 y o experience was different. It happened and I was afraid to tell my >mother. I tried to manage with toilet paper for two days, which is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >confide, I didn't. Should have been talked about more, like it was normal. >I thought I was bleeding to death and would definitely die. My mother made sure I understood such matters years before it got personal for me. She considered it a happy event when I started at 12. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > My mother made sure I understood such matters years before it got > personal for me. She considered it a happy event when I started at 12. We threw a coming of age party for Mandy when she started. The cause of the party (her periods) was not discussed, but she knew why we celebrating just "then" and was pleased. I like coming of age parties, as children should have some distinction between being a kid and being "grown up." Pam S. > I honestly don't see what the big deal is. When my two (then) 14-year > old nieces came to visit a couple of summers ago, they both decided to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > me which one to get. I replied, how on earth would I know? Just pick the > most expensive one, I'm sure it's good. :) LOL, it is quite common for women who are related by genetics, distance, or companionship to have their periods at the same time. When I was still having periods, my best friend and I would start within 24 hours of each other. So whoever started first would call the other. I get a kick out of your reply to your nieces about the brands. You spoiled them a lot when they were visiting, didn't you. I bet it was because they both thought Tom is a hunk (he is) and adored the kitties. Pam S. Laughing at poor Victor Howard Berkowitz <hcb@gettcomm.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tummy ache remedies?: >Any sensitivity on that sort of thing was burned out by my first wife. >I had had surgery for a pilonoidal cyst, a procedure that has a lot of >postoperative bleeding in an awkward-to-bandage place. The practical >solution is to tape sanitary pads to one's rear end. My stepfather found them a reasonable solution to hemorrhoid problems [funny, I always thought he *was* a PITA, not that he had such :-)]. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL >> Be more specific. Are we talking about diarrhoea? Or vomiting? Or both? >> The euph.. upset stomach can cover both. > > Where is the TMI warning? ;-) Sorry. I'm used to talking about this stuff freely at work. Seems normal to me.. I am the office expert at spelling the word diarrhoea. ;-) The word comes up many times a day. It's lost any gross warning as far as I'm concerned. Where I work, we say it like it is. Tweed > [TMI (too much information) warning ... ] > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > me that most women tolerate this pill very well; others are more known for > having side effects. Have you tried taking the pill with food or milk? Even tho it may seem unrelated to when you actually take the medication this might change the absorption rate of the pill and help. Also, have you tried taking tagamet or drinking coke when your tummy is actively feeling bad? SignatureMargaret Fine mefine@mindspring.com > > [TMI (too much information) warning ... ] > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Also, have you tried taking tagamet or drinking coke when your tummy is > actively feeling bad? I'll add on that coke syrup concentrate, with no other liquid, is better for controlling nausea. >> Also, have you tried taking tagamet or drinking coke when your tummy is >> actively feeling bad? > > I'll add on that coke syrup concentrate, with no other liquid, is better for > controlling nausea. What's the active ingredient that does the trick? I really want to avoid caffeine. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Have you tried taking the pill with food or milk? Even tho it may seem > unrelated to when you actually take the medication this might change the > absorption rate of the pill and help. Hrm, interesting point. The most "reliable" time for me seems to be about 11pm, so I haven't been taking it with food, though I'm not hungry, either. Any excuse for a bedtime snack sounds good in my book! > Also, have you tried taking tagamet or drinking coke when your tummy is > actively feeling bad? Hrm, no. I get addicted to caffeine really quickly, so I work hard to avoid it. Does non-caffeinated coke have the same effect? (Though imo that stuff tastes NASTY!) Haven't tried Tagamet ... I was kind of fishing for more "easy and non-medicinal" options, but I guess I should have said that up front =) Still, your point is well taken. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > Have you tried taking the pill with food or milk? Even tho it may seem > > unrelated to when you actually take the medication this might change [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > stuff > tastes NASTY!) If you use the syrup, probably -- indeed, almost any soda concentrate. You see, one of the flavoring ingredients in most sodas is phosphoric acid, which buffers the acidity of the stomach. The concentrated sugar helps salt absorption. > Haven't tried Tagamet ... I was kind of fishing for more "easy and > non-medicinal" options, but I guess I should have said that up front =) > Still, your point is well taken. >>Have you tried taking the pill with food or milk? Even tho it may seem >>unrelated to when you actually take the medication this might change the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it. Does non-caffeinated coke have the same effect? (Though imo that stuff > tastes NASTY!) My mom gave us either seven up or ginger ale. Either one always seemed to work for an upset stomach. I still use it to this day as it works at least for me. Try taking the pill at a different time of day. Sometimes that helps. Diane > Hrm, interesting point. The most "reliable" time for me seems to be about > 11pm, so I haven't been taking it with food, though I'm not hungry, either. > Try taking the pill at a different time of day. Sometimes that helps. This could be tough. My schedule is pretty crazy, and 11pm is the time I believe I'll most consistently be able to hit. Even 11pm is impossible some days, as I'm in the middle of a hockey game. My body's always been pretty tolerant of variation in the Pill cycle -- I never got spotting, even when I was 4 or 5 hours off or even a day -- but it's still best to stick to the schedule as much as possible. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> Try taking the pill at a different time of day. Sometimes that >> helps. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > even a day -- but it's still best to stick to the schedule as much as > possible. I don't recall how old you are but you'd best start thinking of alternative methods before some doctor says you can't take this anymore. I had to shell out $400 for an IUD when I hit 40, and no, the IUD wasn't covered by my insurance. Then again, the pill wasn't covered by insurance until a year before I had to stop taking the darned thing. Go figure. Jill > I don't recall how old you are but you'd best start thinking of alternative > methods before some doctor says you can't take this anymore. I had to shell [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jill I'm 27, but what do you mean about not being able to take it anymore? Is it purely an age thing? As I said, I'd been on depo (the injected stuff) for years before this, and I was on a different pill before *that*. The whole concept of an IUD scares me; it's like having a little buzzsaw floating around inside you. Okay, not exactly, but it still seems scary and I think I've heard of complications. A friend of mine also told me about a new insertable ring. You put it in for three weeks, then remove it for one. It slowly releases the hormones. She said it was pretty cool and she couldn't feel it. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> I don't recall how old you are but you'd best start thinking of >> alternative methods before some doctor says you can't take this [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm 27, but what do you mean about not being able to take it anymore? > Is it purely an age thing? Think the men in the group are enjoying this? LOL Yep, not recommended for women after age 40, especially when you've been on it since you were 18. Increased risk of stroke, etc. Actually I was 41 and by the time it needs to be replaced (10 years) I probably won't need it. I'm already going through menopause. > As I said, I'd been on depo (the injected stuff) for years before > this, and I was on a different pill before *that*. The whole concept > of an IUD scares me; it's like having a little buzzsaw floating > around inside you. Okay, not exactly, but it still seems scary and I > think I've heard of complications. I had the "talk" with my doctor and the only problems were with the (recalled) Dalkon Shield. He said the other ones have proven to be perfectly safe. I don't even know it's there. > A friend of mine also told me about a new insertable ring. You put > it in for three weeks, then remove it for one. It slowly releases > the hormones. She said it was pretty cool and she couldn't feel it. Sounds sort of like the old contraceptive sponge except you didn't leave the sponge in for 3 weeks, more like 48 hours. I'm not sure they still sell those; there was a big scare about toxic shock syndrome. Glad to hear your tummy isn't aching any more. Isn't that always the way? Kind of like taking your car to the mechanic and then (of course) it doesn't make that weird sound anymore :) Jill > >> I don't recall how old you are but you'd best start thinking of > >> alternative methods before some doctor says you can't take this [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > Think the men in the group are enjoying this? LOL' They tend to have enough problem with the Big Snip here. > Yep, not recommended for women after age 40, especially when you've been > on > it since you were 18. Increased risk of stroke, etc. Actually I was 41 > and > by the time it needs to be replaced (10 years) I probably won't need it. > I'm already going through menopause. The thinking on that is changing. If you look at the FDA approved PDR entries for oral contraceptives, they now discuss the non-contraceptive health benefits as well as risks. One of the challenges, in fact, is whether or not the very low estrogen pills contain enough estrogen to provide benefits. I know birth control pills are over the counter in many countries, and there's quite a strong argument for doing so in the US. My sense is that there are enough nuances in picking (or finding over time) the right pill, and monitoring for side effects, that they should stay on prescription. Given how misleading direct-to-the-consumer advertising can be, I simply don't trust the manufacturers to give adequate information. > > As I said, I'd been on depo (the injected stuff) for years before > > this, and I was on a different pill before *that*. The whole concept [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > sponge in for 3 weeks, more like 48 hours. I'm not sure they still sell > those; there was a big scare about toxic shock syndrome. The problem turned out to be fairly specific to Rely super-absorbent tampons, but there are rare cases with other products. Let's put it this way: fever and rash, especially with any skin peeling, in a menstruating woman should justify an ER visit. > Glad to hear your tummy isn't aching any more. Isn't that always the > way? > Kind of like taking your car to the mechanic and then (of course) it > doesn't > make that weird sound anymore :) > I know birth control pills are over the counter in many countries, and > there's quite a strong argument for doing so in the US. My sense is that > there are enough nuances in picking (or finding over time) the right pill, > and monitoring for side effects, that they should stay on prescription. I dunno. Part of the reason I'm hesitant to try other pills is because I don't feel like getting a new prescription every time. Then again, she should probably have samples ... in fact, I seem to recall getting a sample pack, rather than a true prescription, back in high school ... hrmmm ... > Given how misleading direct-to-the-consumer advertising can be, I simply > don't trust the manufacturers to give adequate information. How misleading could birth control pill info possibly be? They seem to be pretty good about disclosing the side effects in their documentation ... Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >Haven't tried Tagamet ... >I was kind of fishing for more "easy and >non-medicinal" options, but I guess I should have said that up front =) Tell your Dr. you want to try a different pill. There are many. -bonbon > Tell your Dr. you want to try a different pill. There are many. > > -bonbon It's been a week. I figure this will likely settle down within the first month. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting things to say about [OT] Tummy ache remedies?: >[TMI (too much information) warning ... ] >So, after years on Depo, I decided to give my body a break and switch back to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >me that most women tolerate this pill very well; others are more known for >having side effects. I had ongoing nausea [mild] while on the Pill [one reason I switched off it], and on one brand I had horrendous psychological side effects. Stomach settlers [this is what works for me. YMMAPDV]: ginger ale, candied ginger, 7-Up, milk [sometimes], bananas. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > I had ongoing nausea [mild] while on the Pill [one reason I switched off > it], and on one brand I had horrendous psychological side effects. Oof! I hope this doesn't continue for me. I don't remember having any upset stomach when I first got on the Pill umpteen years ago, but that was a different brand ... and I doubt they even have the same formulation. I remember being very emotional back then, but then, I was a teenager, so it could easily have just been typical teenage hormones. Hard to say. > Stomach settlers [this is what works for me. YMMAPDV]: ginger ale, candied > ginger, 7-Up, milk [sometimes], bananas. Well, straight-up milk doesn't tend to like me, but ginger ale and 7-up sound like good options. Bananas? Really? Weird. BTW, what does YMMAPDV stand for? Google doesn't recognize it. I assume it's related to YMMV. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tummy ache remedies?: >Well, straight-up milk doesn't tend to like me, but ginger ale and 7-up sound >like good options. Bananas? Really? Weird. LIS, works for me. :-) >BTW, what does YMMAPDV stand for? Google doesn't recognize it. I assume it's >related to YMMV. It is. Your Mileage May And Probably Does Vary. :-) Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > > I had ongoing nausea [mild] while on the Pill [one reason I switched off > > it], and on one brand I had horrendous psychological side effects. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Well, straight-up milk doesn't tend to like me, but ginger ale and 7-up sound > like good options. Bananas? Really? Weird. Oh, I forgot to put bananas in my list! Bananas are great! Yowie > Oh, I forgot to put bananas in my list! Bananas are great! I really *must* stock up on these things more often. I should be doing so anyway, as my typical schedule has me sore at least three days of the week. (Why is there no English word specifically for sore muscles resulting from exertion? In German it's "Muskelkater." Which brings this confusingly back to being on-topic, as Kater is the German word for tomcat.) Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > Oh, I forgot to put bananas in my list! Bananas are great! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > exertion? In German it's "Muskelkater." Which brings this confusingly back > to being on-topic, as Kater is the German word for tomcat.) Yes, I wonder about that too. Muskelkater is an excellent word and everyone knows what you're talking about. In English you have to say "I have sore muscles from my workout/hike/whatever". It's just so much more complicated. I guess there's DOMS (delayed onset muscle soreness), but most people wouldn't get what you meant by that. I used to get very sore, especially after leg day. I had a 4 or 5 day split and it ended up that I only did every body part once a week. I've switched to a full body workout every second day (cardio on non-weight days) and now I don't get DOMS anymore, unless I've taken a week or so off and start up again. It's really much better for me this way. -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > Yes, I wonder about that too. Muskelkater is an excellent word and > everyone knows what you're talking about. In English you have to say [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > week or so off and start up again. It's really much better for me > this way. There's definitely an adjustment period to any workout. Right now my schedule is pretty spastic. I have ice hockey on fridays or sundays, usually ski on saturday, and there's a martial arts class monday and thursday, but I usually only make it to the thursday one. I still feel like I'm not doing much, though. Over the summer, I ride my mountain bike every day I can get away with it. I tried riding literally every day, but it was too much. I guess the body needs to rest now and then. If I'm not just a little bit sore somewhere, I'm pretty sure I'm not doing enough! Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >Stomach settlers [this is what works for me. YMMAPDV]: ginger ale, >candied ginger, 7-Up, milk [sometimes], bananas. Ack, memories. My mom's remedy for a sick stomach was 7-up and a cold washcloth on your neck. I can't drink 7-up to this day. It reminds me too much of being sick. Sherry >>Stomach settlers [this is what works for me. YMMAPDV]: ginger ale, >>candied ginger, 7-Up, milk [sometimes], bananas. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I can't drink 7-up to this day. It reminds me too much of being sick. > Sherry Guess I tend to be a worrywart, but every time I hear about repeated stomach pain I wonder about appendicitis. > >>Stomach settlers [this is what works for me. YMMAPDV]: ginger ale, > >>candied ginger, 7-Up, milk [sometimes], bananas. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Guess I tend to be a worrywart, but every time I hear about repeated > stomach pain I wonder about appendicitis. While appendicitis can be chronic, that's rare. In general, an attack will be serious enough that you'll want medical attention for the pain. It's not as easy to diagnose as many people believe, and, surprisingly, it's considered desirable that 10-20% of the appendices removed by a surgeon are normal. If the percentage is close to zero, the surgeon is waiting too long, and may be risking much more serious complications of delay. An appendectomy, for surgery, is a low-risk operation, often done laparoscopically these days. When the surgeon really isn't sure, actually looking at the appendix may be the best course of action. While in the belly, the surgeon can also look for other causes. Regardless of what is found, the appendix is ALWAYS removed, so that some future physician won't see an appendectomy scar and assume the problem can't be appendicitis. Recurrent pain does need evaluation. Keeping a diary of times, mealtimes, etc., can help. It's worth noting that about 85% of ulcers are completely curable wi |
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