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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2005Aloha Folks!
My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I wish I could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours behind right now and it's really frustrating. Anyway, I'm a newlywed transplanted from Maui, Hawaii to the Tampa Bay area of Florida. I met my husband via Usenet, believe it or not. We weren't even looking for each other! A stray momma kitty had 5 kittens in our shed back in about September and we've kept two of them. To see the pix and read the story, go to http://www.geocities.com/kilikini1/kitties To learn about my husband and me, skip the kitty part. :~) kilikini (which means Christine in Hawaiian) > My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I > wish I could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > kilikini (which means Christine in Hawaiian) Glad you could join us, Christy :) I love the pics of all the little ones and am sooooo happy you got to keep Chloe and Tyrone indoors (kudos to Allan for deciding to snuggle with a kitten). Jill "Kilikini" <kilikini@tampabay.rr.com> had some very interesting things to say about Aloha Folks!: >Anyway, I'm a newlywed transplanted from Maui, Hawaii to the Tampa Bay area >of Florida. I met my husband via Usenet, believe it or not. We weren't >even looking for each other! I met my husband online. It can work out. :-) Good to have you with us. How long have you been married? For me, it'll be 10 years in April.  Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > "Kilikini" <kilikini@tampabay.rr.com> had some very interesting things to > say about Aloha Folks!: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I met my husband online. It can work out. :-) Me too! > Good to have you with us. How long have you been married? For me, it'll be > 10 years in April. It will be a year for us at the end of March. So we're not "proof that it can work" yet, but we're working on it! Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >>"Kilikini" <kilikini@tampabay.rr.com> had some very interesting things to >>say about Aloha Folks!: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Me too! Me three!! My common-law-husband, that is. We're living "in sin" (= not married). ;) Our sixth anniversary coming up in March. SignatureChristine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) yahoo (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 >>> "Kilikini" <kilikini@tampabay.rr.com> had some very interesting >>> things to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Me three!! My common-law-husband, that is. We're living "in sin" (= not > married). ;) Our sixth anniversary coming up in March. I started to write a diatribe on the concept of "sin," but decided that it didn't belong here. I like the feline way of it. There is no such thing as sin. Pam S. >> Me three!! My common-law-husband, that is. We're living "in sin" (= not >> married). ;) Our sixth anniversary coming up in March. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pam S. But, but, it's so much *fun* to tell people you're living in sin! No fair taking that away! Our wedding was pretty painless and fun. I don't understand those huge weddings where everyone goes into debt or employed adults con their parents into dropping large amounts of green on a "dream" wedding. To each his or her own, though. Changing my name, though ... grrr ... I really didn't want to do it, but it meant so *much* to Eric, so I went through with it. I *still* don't have my name changed everywhere. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > But, but, it's so much *fun* to tell people you're living in sin! No fair > taking that away! It is fun! I used to call Tom my "partner in crime", but now that the US Supreme Court ruled that sodomy laws are unconstitutional, we're no longer commiting a crime! :) > Changing my name, though ... grrr ... I really didn't want to do it, but it > meant so *much* to Eric, so I went through with it. I *still* don't have my > name changed everywhere. It's a cultural thing. In Mexico legally you do not change your names (we use two last names) ever. My mom is Mrs. Hernandez and my dad is Mr. Martinez. We're the Martinez Hernandez family. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> But, but, it's so much *fun* to tell people you're living in sin! No fair >> taking that away! > > It is fun! I used to call Tom my "partner in crime", but now that the US > Supreme Court ruled that sodomy laws are unconstitutional, we're no longer > commiting a crime! :) Hehehe. Not that most couples, regardless of the genders involved, don't engage in *some* form of sodomy ... IIRC the Virginia definitions are particularly strict ... were, I guess. >> Changing my name, though ... grrr ... I really didn't want to do it, but it >> meant so *much* to Eric, so I went through with it. I *still* don't have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > use two last names) ever. My mom is Mrs. Hernandez and my dad is Mr. > Martinez. We're the Martinez Hernandez family. I've heard of that, but clearly, you ended up taking your dad's last name. Is that cultural, too? Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > I've heard of that, but clearly, you ended up taking your dad's last name. Is > that cultural, too? Actually, I legally have two last names: Martinez Hernandez. I dropped the Hernandez here in the US for simplicity sake. Some folks hyphenate them and I might have done that if I had smaller surnames. Mine are too long and being Mr. Martinez-Hernandez seemed like a mouthful at the time. Besides, people kept refering me as Mr. Hernandez, which was very confusing... :) My passport and my green card both have the Hernandez though. Victor BTW in Brazil they do the opposite, the mother's name goes before the father's name. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> I've heard of that, but clearly, you ended up taking your dad's last name. >> Is that cultural, too? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > BTW in Brazil they do the opposite, the mother's name goes before the > father's name. Okay, but, there must be a limit, right? Or are there people with hundreds of last names? (Parents each have two last names, marry, that's four last names for the kids, and so on ...) Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Okay, but, there must be a limit, right? Or are there people with hundreds of > last names? (Parents each have two last names, marry, that's four last names > for the kids, and so on ...) Yes, you only pass one surname to your children so nobody has more than 2 surnames. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> Okay, but, there must be a limit, right? Or are there people with hundreds >> of last names? (Parents each have two last names, marry, that's four last >> names for the kids, and so on ...) > > Yes, you only pass one surname to your children so nobody has more than 2 > surnames. So, do you just choose which one to give them, or is it always the mother's or the father's? Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > So, do you just choose which one to give them, or is it always the mother's or > the father's? The father's is the one that legally passes to your kids from both parents. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> So, do you just choose which one to give them, or is it always the mother's >> or the father's? > > The father's is the one that legally passes to your kids from both parents. Thanks for the info =) Always interesting to hear about what other folks are doing. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > So, do you just choose which one to give them, or is it always the mother's or > the father's? Ok, I think it wasn't very clear, let me try with an example: Me: Victor M. Martinez Hernandez My dad: Victor M. Martinez Avila My dad's dad: Benjamin Martinez My dad's mom: Natalia Avila My mom: Edelmira Hernandez Jimenez My mom's dad: Teodoro Hernandez My mom's mom: Sara Jimenez (I don't include 2nd surnames from my grandparents cuz I don't remember what they are!!!) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Glad you had this discussion. I kind of knew the protocol but not really. Its been something I've worked with for years as one of my clients was a crop duster and they hired a lot of people with Mexican names. Some that have been in the area for generations and others who are only here for the season. When they would fill out a W-4 for the year, sometimes they would use a hyphenated last name. Sometimes they would list their fathers name as a middle name with their mother's as a last name, and sometimes they would list their fathers name as a last name. Fortunately, a great many of them have fairly unique given names so I could sort them out. But if I messed up I'd have to deal with the letters from the Social Security Administration complaining that the names I reported didn't match the numbers I reported for the names. Kind of miss it now that I've retired. Jo >> So, do you just choose which one to give them, or is it always the >> mother's or [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > (I don't include 2nd surnames from my grandparents cuz I don't remember > what they are!!!) Glad you had this discussion. I kind of knew the protocol but not really. Its been something I've worked with for years as one of my clients was a crop duster and they hired a lot of people with Mexican names. Some that have been in the area for generations and others who are only here for the season. When they would fill out a W-4 for the year, sometimes they would use a hyphenated last name. Sometimes they would list their fathers name as a middle name with their mother's as a last name, and sometimes they would list their fathers name as a last name. Fortunately, a great many of them have fairly unique given names so I could sort them out. But if I messed up I'd have to deal with the letters from the Social Security Administration complaining that the names I reported didn't match the numbers I reported for the names. Kind of miss it now that I've retired. Now because my younger daughter was born in Korea, I know that they arrainge names diferently, the family name first (The adoption agency used Park for all the unnamed boys and Kim for all the unnamed girls) and the given name last. So my daughters Korean name was Kim Chung Min. And she would have been called Min. Jo >> So, do you just choose which one to give them, or is it always the >> mother's or [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > (I don't include 2nd surnames from my grandparents cuz I don't remember > what they are!!!) > > I've heard of that, but clearly, you ended up taking your dad's last name. Is > > that cultural, too? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > BTW in Brazil they do the opposite, the mother's name goes before the > father's name. Yeah, that always throws me. I set up user IDs and email for my company and we have several offices in Mexico and Costa Rica. Normally we use first initial, last name for user IDs and email, but with our Mexico and CR employees I have a hard time figuring out which name to use. For instance, we have Oralia Lopez Hernandez and I set her up as OHernandez, but was told that no, I had to change it to OLopez since Lopez was her last name. What??? If it's her last name, why doesn't it come last??? ;> Hugs, CatNipped > -- > Victor M. Martinez > Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) > Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov > Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > employees I have a hard time figuring out which name to use. For instance, > we have Oralia Lopez Hernandez and I set her up as OHernandez, but was told > that no, I had to change it to OLopez since Lopez was her last name. > What??? If it's her last name, why doesn't it come last??? ;> Well, to our defense, in Mexico it's not called a "last name" it's called "apellido paterno" (the second surname being "apellido materno". SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > > I've heard of that, but clearly, you ended up taking your dad's last > > name. Is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > confusing... :) > My passport and my green card both have the Hernandez though. I'd imagine you run into practical problems. I had a physician (female) who joined her name to her (also physician) husband, resulting in Rubovits-Seitz. Unfortunately, this was too long to fit on most prescription bottle labels, and there were often weird abbreviations. As a minor bit of trivia, I worked on the first automated system used by the US Immigration and Naturalization Service. We actually did do a statistical study, and the system (at least was) limited to last names of no more than 41 characters. It also treated the cultures that use one name (e.g., Indonesia) as surnames. For even more trivia, when we converted the manual files, we discovered 25% of the people in the data base were named Maria Rodriguez, and 15% Juan Gomez (spelling variations permitted). This came from their habit of creating a new record every time a Mexican day worker crossed the border, and was choking the system. > Victor > > BTW in Brazil they do the opposite, the mother's name goes before the > father's name. Is that also true for Portugal? > Is that also true for Portugal? That's a very interesting question... I have no idea! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > >> But, but, it's so much *fun* to tell people you're living in sin! No > >> fair [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > IIRC the Virginia definitions are particularly strict ... were, I guess. Virginia can't make up its mind. They've thrown out some of those laws, but have recently passed one that's bound to be thrown out by the courts -- it provides a mechanism for challenging ANY contract that might "appear" to give the impression of establishing single-sex marriage rights. For example, if I, a heterosexual, happened to write a living will and named a man as the surrogate, there is now a structure under which that could be challenged for "appearance". OTOH, there are some cheerful versions. I've always loved the bumper sticker that takes off on the somewhat ironic "Virginia is for lovers" motto: "Virginia is for CAREFUL lovers. Support Planned Parenthood. > >> Me three!! My common-law-husband, that is. We're living "in sin" (= not > >> married). ;) Our sixth anniversary coming up in March. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > meant so *much* to Eric, so I went through with it. I *still* don't have my > name changed everywhere. Yeah, me too. Joel and I lived in partial sin (we were engaged to be married) for 7 years, got married in the 8th year, and not because The Yowlet was on his way (we'd started marriage preps before the presence of hte Yowlet was known). Had a simple and sensible wedding at a local beauty spot (on top of Mt Keira), and buy-you-own-dinner-rather-than-gifts meal at the local Japanese restaurant. It still doesn't feel any different than when we weren't married. The commitment to each other is just the same, the only thing diferent is now that our material goods go automatically to each other in case of death rather than having to will it (it should do that in case of de-facto marriages as well, but they can be disputed by other family members more easily) I kept my name (couldnt' see why I needed to change it), so Joel changed his surname to mine (he's had 3 already, whats the difference?). I don't wear my rings on my finger unless I'm going out somewhere special or its one of those times where being obviously married is advantageous because quite frankly they drive me nuts. I take them off subconciously and leave them in stupid places without even realising I've removed them. Sometiems I wake up inthe morning and find htem scattered across my bedroom floor - not only have I taken them off in my sleep, I have *thrown* them off. And as an industrial chemist, there are chemicals than can work their way under rings and cause all sorts of interesting dermatitis (as my right ring finger can attest - I can't wear a ring on that finger for more than an hour or so befor ethe dermatitis flares), and besides, even if it doesn't effect my skin, the chemicals get into the settings and if they don't corrode, they gum up and destroy the "sparkle" of the stones. My engagement ring has a green sapphire that is much lighter on one end than the other. Or it used to when it was new - all the goo and muck I work with has gotten into it and now its just a dull black, and its not a matter of a simple ultrasonic bath to get rid of it all (I've had it proffesionally cleaned and all it looked liek was that the metal had been polished - I can do that at home. And besides, we have the same ultrasonic baths jewelers have here at work, and they don't cost me a fortune to use those ones!). I'd have to have the stone removed, scraped, probably repolished, and have to re-make the ring again for it to ever look new again. I don't want the same thing to happen to my wedding ring or eternity ring. So except for a whole bunch of photos (that you can see at http://home.insightbb.com/~yowie/wedding.html ) and an official wedding certificate, nothing much has really changed. Our relationship hasn't changed, I don't have a new name, I don't wear a wedding ring, and we don't have a massive hole in our budget from paying for the wedding. Still, overall, I'd be happy to marry Joel again. Yowie > So except for a whole bunch of photos (that you can see at > http://home.insightbb.com/~yowie/wedding.html ) and an official [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yowie We did ours really simply; met a group of friends from alt.binaries.food for a BBQ joint opening and we had our ceremony as part of the Grand Opening. Cost of ceremony was the price of airfare! We still can't afford rings, but whenever we can I'm wearing mine 24/7. I *so* want a wedding ring. kili > We did ours really simply; met a group of friends from alt.binaries.food for > a BBQ joint opening and we had our ceremony as part of the Grand Opening. > Cost of ceremony was the price of airfare! We still can't afford rings, but > whenever we can I'm wearing mine 24/7. I *so* want a wedding ring. My wedding band was under $45. DH's was under $300. We got simple gold bands, no embellishments. Even if you can't afford one for your husband, I am sure you can afford this for yourself? (Difference in price was purely the difference in how much gold was involved.) Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Yeah, me too. Joel and I lived in partial sin (we were engaged to be > married) for 7 years, got married in the 8th year, and not because The > Yowlet was on his way (we'd started marriage preps before the presence of > hte Yowlet was known). Had a simple and sensible wedding at a local beauty > spot (on top of Mt Keira), and buy-you-own-dinner-rather-than-gifts meal at > the local Japanese restaurant. Dennis and I lived in "sin" for just over a year. We actually moved in together after only 4 months. It was mostly financial and practical since we were constantly staying over at each other's place anyway. Why waste money on 2 rents? We went off to Australia and got married on the beach. We had a whole month of holidaying in Australia and it still cost us less than a regular wedding would have. > It still doesn't feel any different than when we weren't married. The > commitment to each other is just the same, the only thing diferent is now > that our material goods go automatically to each other in case of death > rather than having to will it (it should do that in case of de-facto > marriages as well, but they can be disputed by other family members more > easily) For me, getting married changed things quite a bit. I just felt closer to Dennis, more committed somehow. I'm not religious, but I guess I'm just a romantic at heart ;-) > I kept my name (couldnt' see why I needed to change it), so Joel changed his > surname to mine (he's had 3 already, whats the difference?). I got rid of my maiden name immediately. In fact, I started the name change before we were even married. I couldn't wait to get rid of my maiden name. But then again I had an unpronouncable German name which was just a huge PITA in every way. > I don't wear my rings on my finger unless I'm going out somewhere special or > its one of those times where being obviously married is advantageous because > quite frankly they drive me nuts. I take them off subconciously and leave > them in stupid places without even realising I've removed them. Sometiems I > wake up inthe morning and find htem scattered across my bedroom floor - not > only have I taken them off in my sleep, I have *thrown* them off. I have worn my rings for every minute of every day since we got married. Well, that's not entirely true. After being the object of close attention by a giant lone barracuda on a scuba trip in Bali in 2000, I have been removing my rings for diving. Barracudas are attracted to shiny objects. I feel naked without my rings, they have become part of me. I am planning to have my ring set duplicated in white gold (with a white sapphire instead of a diamond, much cheaper) because my yellow gold ring clashes wtih the silver jewellery I always wear. My 9th anniversary is coming up in a month, I think this would be a good occasion to get a new ring ;-) -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > But, but, it's so much *fun* to tell people you're living in sin! No fair > taking that away! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > meant so *much* to Eric, so I went through with it. I *still* don't have my > name changed everywhere. We brought the whole wedding in for less than $200. It's lasted over 20 years. We had to be legally married in order for Rob to be able to claim us as military dependents and put us on his military benefits. No problem, it just made a two year old relationship formal. I've noticed that, in general and my opinion, the more expense paid on the wedding, the shorter the marriage. As for the name change, I was eager to change my name. Tiegs tends to get too many farmyard animal jokes. Shirk gets even more jokes, but at least they're less offensive and generally in better taste. Pam S. Tanada <tanada@nospamearthlink.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Aloha Folks!: >As for the name change, I was eager to change my name. Tiegs tends to >get too many farmyard animal jokes. Shirk gets even more jokes, but at >least they're less offensive and generally in better taste. Given my father's problems [and those of other members of his family], I had no problem at all unloading that surname [I kept my original middle name, simply dropped the birth surname altogether]. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > Tanada <tanada@nospamearthlink.net> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: Aloha Folks!: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I had no problem at all unloading that surname [I kept my original > middle name, simply dropped the birth surname altogether]. Same here. Instead of Pamela Tiegs Shirk, I'm Pamela June Shirk. I wanted to get rid of every vestige of the Tiegs surname. Pam S. >> Given my father's problems [and those of other members of his family], I >> had no problem at all unloading that surname [I kept my original middle [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Pam S. I love my middle name (Yvonne). When people suggesting making my maiden name (Herman) my middle name and ditching Yvonne, I had to wonder what they were thinking. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >>> Given my father's problems [and those of other members of his >>> family], I had no problem at all unloading that surname [I kept my [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > maiden name (Herman) my middle name and ditching Yvonne, I had to > wonder what they were thinking. I don't have a middle name. Yeah, I know, call me strange. When I was married I took my maiden name as my middle name; when I divorced I dropped my married name and went back to the maiden name. I still don't have a middle name. LOL However, John calls me a number of cute things (with a long history) including "Kilty" or "Kilty-cat", and Jilly. Jill > >>> Given my father's problems [and those of other members of his > >>> family], I had no problem at all unloading that surname [I kept my [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > middle name. LOL However, John calls me a number of cute things (with a > long history) including "Kilty" or "Kilty-cat", and Jilly. My mother had no middle name, and was an Army reserve officer. It was not acceptable to the Army system not to have a middle name, so all correspondence went to Pearl (NMI) Berkowitz. NMI = No Middle Initial. She complained about that for a while, until she had an epiphany on her annual active duty. One of the sergeants was a "good old Southern boy", named R B Jones. No, those weren't initials. His birth certificate read R B Jones. The army categorized him as R(only) B(only) Jones. Things went along, until one mail call, when there were severa Joneses receiving mail. The clerk yelled out "Jones! Rone-ly Bone-ly Jones!" > My mother had no middle name, and was an Army reserve officer. It was > not acceptable to the Army system not to have a middle name, so all [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > until one mail call, when there were severa Joneses receiving mail. The > clerk yelled out "Jones! Rone-ly Bone-ly Jones!" LOL! Marina is my middle name, and it's always ben the name I've used, and my family used it since I was born. I would like to get rid of my first name, because apparently computers can't be told that I don't use my first name, I use my second name, and I'm always referred to by my first name in an official context, at hospitals etc. And I happen to not like my first name. I'm just too lazy to make the official name change. I've been thinking of taking the name of one of my aunts, Denise, as my middle name instead. I'm the only one of four kids who wasn't named after someone in the family. SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki I have three given names, of which I use the first one, Christine. The other two only show up on my tax form, my pay check, and places that take their info from the Population Register Centre. SignatureChristine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) yahoo (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 >In article <tyjId.32461$vh.22306@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "jmcquown" >> >>> Given my father's problems [and those of other members of his >> >>> family], I had no problem at all unloading that surname [I kept my [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >My mother had no middle name, and was an Army reserve officer. It was >not acceptable to the Army system not to have a middle name, so all >correspondence went to Pearl (NMI) Berkowitz. NMI = No Middle Initial. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >until one mail call, when there were severa Joneses receiving mail. The >clerk yelled out "Jones! Rone-ly Bone-ly Jones!" There apparently was a fad, in the American South in the 1920's, for giving boys initials rather than names. My father once had a colleague named L. D. Kennedy, where neither letter stood for anything. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria > There apparently was a fad, in the American South in the 1920's, for > giving boys initials rather than names. My father once had a > colleague named L. D. Kennedy, where neither letter stood for > anything. More famously, Pres. Harry S. Truman's middle name was "S." He was the last president of the US who didn't go to college. >> There apparently was a fad, in the American South in the 1920's, for >> giving boys initials rather than names. My father once had a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > More famously, Pres. Harry S. Truman's middle name was "S." He was > the last president of the US who didn't go to college. He wasn't in VietNam, either. Go figure. Jill "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Aloha Folks!: >>> Given my father's problems [and those of other members of his family], I >>> had no problem at all unloading that surname [I kept my original middle [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >(Herman) my middle name and ditching Yvonne, I had to wonder what they were >thinking. Not that it's my concern [the decision on that is *solely* yours, IMO], but I think I agree with your keeping your original middle name just on sound appeal. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL >> But, but, it's so much *fun* to tell people you're living in sin! No >> fair [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > us as military dependents and put us on his military benefits. No > problem, it just made a two year old relationship formal. We did the same. I never understood that about the military. They practically force you to get married if you want to live together off base, no other way to afford it. But then they treat spouses like excess baggage. Jo >>We brought the whole wedding in for less than $200. It's lasted over 20 >>years. We had to be legally married in order for Rob to be able to claim [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jo Actually I find the army's attitude amusing, most of the time. When we started out I was called a DW, dependent wife. With so many women in the military getting married and staying in, they changed to DS, dependent spouse. Our kids were simply known as dependents. Usually we were there simply to add money to the economy, until something went wrong, then we were a problem. Pam S. > >>> "Kilikini" <kilikini@tampabay.rr.com> had some very interesting > >>> things to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > it didn't belong here. I like the feline way of it. There is no such > thing as sin. If it's any help, Calvin Coolidge, an American president of few words, came out of a long church service, with a VERY long sermon. The reporters asked what the minister said, "Sin. He was agin it." >>> "Kilikini" <kilikini@tampabay.rr.com> had some very interesting >>> things to say about Aloha Folks!: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Me three!! My common-law-husband, that is. We're living "in sin" (= > not married). ;) Our sixth anniversary coming up in March. Wow, we internet family seems to be closing gaps daily! I love to hear about succesful relationships on any level. (Cause they're so hard to get!) And hey, after 6 years of living "in sin", you're qualified in my book! Congrats! kili > "Kilikini" <kilikini@tampabay.rr.com> had some very interesting things > to say about Aloha Folks!: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Good to have you with us. How long have you been married? For me, > it'll be 10 years in April. It's new! Only 4 months old so far, but he's the best man I've ever found. :~) We internet "dated" since last February (almost a year now), met in person in Seattle and were married within a couple of days. My family disowned me because they think I'm nuts, but we're very happy. Glad to hear there is another successful internet relationship out there. Thanks! kili >> "Kilikini" <kilikini@tampabay.rr.com> had some very interesting things >> to say about Aloha Folks!: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > kili Grr. I've never seen the point in this with familys! I mean, like it is supposed to accomplish anything? Purrs that they come to see the light one of these days. >>> "Kilikini" <kilikini@tampabay.rr.com> had some very interesting >>> things [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > light one > of these days. Apparently it's an attempt to maintain control. My dad does this periodically to me - he has never approved of me dating *anyone*. I'm almost 45 years old and he's still sitting in judgement (even when I was gainfully employed at a long-term job). Jill >> "Kilikini" <kilikini@tampabay.rr.com> had some very interesting things >> to say about Aloha Folks!: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > kili Oh. P.S. a lady who works part time in my office who is in her 60's met and cyber dated a fellow online in a Luthern chat group. He came up at Christmas, she went down last week, and now they are getting married Valentine's day and she is moving there. Of course, her children are not happy, but this lady who is SO sweet, is very very happy. I think they have cyber dated about 6 months. > Oh. P.S. a lady who works part time in my office who is in her 60's met and > cyber dated a fellow online in a Luthern chat group. He came up at > Christmas, she went down last week, and now they are getting married > Valentine's day and she is moving there. Of course, her children are not > happy, but this lady who is SO sweet, is very very happy. I think they have > cyber dated about 6 months. Why is there an "of course" in there with "her children are not happy"? Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> Oh. P.S. a lady who works part time in my office who is in her 60's met and >> cyber dated a fellow online in a Luthern chat group. He came up at >> Christmas, she went down last week, and now they are getting married >> Valentine's day and she is moving there. Of course, her children are not >> happy, but this lady who is SO sweet, is very very happy. I think they have >> cyber dated about 6 months. > Why is there an "of course" in there with "her children are not happy"? Children are often uneasy and unhappy if a parent re-marries, unless of course they've had the opportunity to get to know the prospective spouse *and* like him/her as a result of this. Many people (not just children) are highly suspicious of and unhappy about *any* relationship that includes 'online' in its description. Finally, there's this 6 months bit. I know some people have very happy and longlasting relationships based on a short acquaintance, but it's a risky thing to do, and probably would make their children unhappy at the prospect of having to pick up the pieces if it fails. SignatureCheryl Cheryl Perkins <cperkins@mun.ca> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Aloha Folks!: >Children are often uneasy and unhappy if a parent re-marries, unless of >course they've had the opportunity to get to know the prospective spouse >*and* like him/her as a result of this. My basic objection to my mother's remarriage [six years after my father's death] was that I didn't like the guy himself [I turned out to be right about him, dammit]. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL [once again catching up on old posts] > Many people (not just children) are highly suspicious of and unhappy about > *any* relationship that includes 'online' in its description. I remember thinking that my mom would be upset about the fact that I was flying out to see a guy I'd met online. Instead, she was extremely happy for me. I think she could tell, just from my voice, that this was something real. The rest of my family was also supportive. Amazingly enough, no one minded the internet aspect. On DH's side of the family, they were also extremely supportive. His aunt even asked how she could meet guys online =P (She works full time and, when she gets home, cares for her mother, who is deeply afflicted by Alzheimer's.) Around this same time, my brother (whose townhouse I was inhabiting) began to date a Russian woman. It got real serious, real fast, even though her visa was about to expire and neither of them were expecting anything "real" out of the relationship. My brother didn't want our parents to catch on, but eventually, mom did. And was extremely supportive. Now, mom is not always the most level-headed of individuals. Both bro and I were completely flabbergasted that she didn't worry herself to bits. The only interpretation I can manage is that she could tell that we were suddenly truly, deeply happy -- as opposed to previous relationships, which had caused untold anxiety. In fact, before I ever told mom about Eric, she knew. I'd spent all weekend on the phone with Eric; I spoke to mom on Monday. "Do you have a boyfriend?" "No, mom, why do you ask?" "You seem so happy!" "Well, no ... I mean, there's this guy, but he's in Colorado. I'm not going through that long distance mess again." Mom is *not* a believer in needing a man around, either. I guess she just has some sixth sense particular to moms. > Finally, there's this 6 months bit. I know some people have very happy and > longlasting relationships based on a short acquaintance, but it's a risky > thing to do, and probably would make their children unhappy at the prospect > of having to pick up the pieces if it fails. That I can understand. I used to say that three years was the minimum to really get to know a S.O. Then I met Eric, and I'd moved to Colorado less than six months after we saw each other for the first time. Crazy. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > [once again catching up on old posts] (snipped) >> Finally, there's this 6 months bit. I know some people have very >> happy and longlasting relationships based on a short acquaintance, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to Colorado less than six months after we saw each other for the > first time. Crazy. Talk about Crazy! I was on the phone, internet with webcam, with my guy for 8 months before I saw him in person. 2 days later we were married and 5 days later I left Maui and went to Florida. Maybe that's why my family thinks I'm nuts and won't talk to me? kili >> Oh. P.S. a lady who works part time in my office who is in her 60's met and >> cyber dated a fellow online in a Luthern chat group. He came up at [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Why is there an "of course" in there with "her children are not happy"? Sorry. It has been my experience that grown children never seem to be happy when a single parent becomes involved. Invariably. But that is purely anecdotal I guess. >>> Oh. P.S. a lady who works part time in my office who is in her 60's met >>> and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > when a single parent becomes involved. Invariably. But that is purely > anecdotal I guess. I didn't know how I would react to this until my sister told me that my mother had a boyfriend. (She was in a retirement home by then) I was a little surprised that my immediate reaction was "great, go mom" Of course we would have intervened had she been planning to marry and move away at that time but only because by then she was no longer able to make such decisions. Jo >>>> Oh. P.S. a lady who works part time in my office who is in her 60's met >>>> and [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >away at that time but only because by then she was no longer able to make >such decisions. My dad has a long-standing girlfriend with whom I've always had a difficult relationship. To be really honest, my problem is not *his* relationship with her, it's *my* relationship with her. My father is aging, and I am delighted that he has someone to look after him. That's fine. The problem, or one of them, is, I was already in my late twenties when she came along, and already had my own mom, with our own set of problems. She is a very "maternal" kind of woman (read nosy, intrusive and opinionated) in a way I really didn't need or appreciate at the time. I really do trust her with my dad, I just need her to keep her nose and opinions out of *my* life. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Kreisleriana <kreisleriana2@yahoo.com> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Aloha Folks!: >My dad has a long-standing girlfriend with whom I've always had a >difficult relationship. To be really honest, my problem is not *his* [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >appreciate at the time. I really do trust her with my dad, I just >need her to keep her nose and opinions out of *my* life. Sounds like my relationship with my MIL. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL >Sorry. It has been my experience that grown children never seem to be happy >when a single parent becomes involved. Invariably. But that is purely >anecdotal I guess. I just love my step-father! His first wife was a good friend of my mother who had been widowed when I was only four. She raised my sister and me alone and later, her parents sold their house in New York City and came to live with us in the suburbs. She spent the greater part of her adult life with no romantic relationship. After my step-dad's first wife died a lingering death from cancer, my mom helped him with his grief and over a period of some years they realized that they had more than grief in common and gradually fell in love. It was wonderful to watch my mother blossom as a woman. They finally got married and had the support of his two daughters and my sister and me. Just as they were starting their life together, my mother found out she had cancer. It just wasn't fair, they had everything to live for. It's been years now that my mom's been gone, and though we're not as close as we once were, I will always be grateful that I have a dad again after about forty years without one. Regards and Purrs, O J > It's new! Only 4 months old so far, but he's the best man I've ever found. > :~) We internet "dated" since last February (almost a year now), met in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > kili I divorced most of my family because they are insane nuts. They have disowned me because they claim I'm insane. Rob, DH, says that the jury is still out on both of us. If the relationship works and no one is hurt, who gives a hang how it started? You GO GIRL!! Give the hubster a hug for us all and welcome to the misfits of RPCA. Pam S. tee hee - I read this as "give the lobster a hug from us" and wondered what kind of cough medication you were on! Now I know that it's probably me who has to check my medication! Tish >I divorced most of my family because they are insane nuts. They have >disowned me because they claim I'm insane. Rob, DH, says that the jury [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Pam S. Tish Silberbauer <tsilberb@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Aloha Folks!: >>If the relationship works and no one is hurt, who gives a hang how it >>started? You GO GIRL!! Give the hubster a hug for us all and welcome >>to the misfits of RPCA. >tee hee - I read this as "give the lobster a hug from us" and wondered >what kind of cough medication you were on! Now I know that it's >probably me who has to check my medication! I had that same problem. I blame a combo of fatigue and the onset of a decongestant [the melatonin shouldn't be kicking in quite yet]. Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > Tish Silberbauer <tsilberb@yahoo.co.uk> had some very interesting > things to say about Re: Aloha Folks!: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I had that same problem. I blame a combo of fatigue and the onset of a > decongestant [the melatonin shouldn't be kicking in quite yet]. Welllllll, if the lobster fits.... Pam S. who's married to a crab, not a lobster >> It's new! Only 4 months old so far, but he's the best man I've ever >> found. :~) We internet "dated" since last February (almost a year [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Pam S. Thank you so much because sometimes I get so lonely since my family cut me off. And it's hard now that my hubby got a work promotion and he's gone for about 14 hours a day. I'm in a new place and I'm lonely. I'm glad I have a new group to follow. Thanks. kili > Thank you so much because sometimes I get so lonely since my family cut me > off. And it's hard now that my hubby got a work promotion and he's gone for > about 14 hours a day. I'm in a new place and I'm lonely. I'm glad I have a > new group to follow. Thanks. > > kili Awww, you are so sweet. If you want to have the chat option as well as get more messages, contact Yowie about joining RPCA cat slaves. You'll need a Yahoo identity (mine's Tanadashoes) and to be added to the membership by Yowie (keeps the riffraff, spammers, trolls, cat haters, and unwanted relatives out) Then you can download Yahoo messenger and chat with whoever is willing and on line when you are. Please, just don't do what one of my adoptive sons does. He expects me to drop everything and yak with him online whenever he IMs me. Sometimes I'm busy or yakking with my cat friends, and don't need to read "Incoming...BRB" Juan is in Iraq, and I understand his need for communications, but those messages of "incoming" scare me so much I almost wet myself. He thinks that it is funny when Dungeon Mama tells him this. Pam S. praying that yelling "Incoming" will not become a RPCA tradition EEEEEEeeeeeeeeek!!! They are ssoooooooo beautiful!!!!! What adorable kitties. Welcome on board! Karen > My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I wish I > could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours behind right now [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > kilikini (which means Christine in Hawaiian) > EEEEEEeeeeeeeeek!!! They are ssoooooooo beautiful!!!!! What adorable > kitties. Welcome on board! > > Karen Thanks, Karen. I just fell in love with all 5 of them, but finances would never allow me to keep them all, no matter how much I wanted to. It's okay, though. The ones we kept keep us extremely entertained. :~) kili Welcome, Kilikini, DH and furbabies! Jazz & his mama SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time > My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I wish I > could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours behind right [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > kilikini (which means Christine in Hawaiian) > Welcome, Kilikini, DH and furbabies! > Jazz & his mama Mahalo, Jazz & Co. LOL. :~) kili Welcome Christine. Looking forward to some kitten stories from you. -bonbon > Welcome Christine. > > Looking forward to some kitten stories from you. > > -bonbon I have so many! LOL. This is not my first pair of kitties, but sadly my Maui kids were stolen from me by a roommate. I couldn't get them back even though I tried. I was willing to pay $1800 to have them shipped from Maui to Florida. kili > My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I wish I > could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours behind right now [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > we've kept two of them. To see the pix and read the story, go to > http://www.geocities.com/kilikini1/kitties Aww, so cute! Chloe looks like my Nikki as a kitten (she's now 16). There are links to lots of pics of my two in my sig. Welcome to the group, Kilikini! SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >> My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I >> wish I could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > There are links to lots of pics of my two in my sig. Welcome to the > group, Kilikini! I checked out your site and I think Nikki and Chloe could be identical twins! They seriously look exactly alike. Nice to see other tuxedos around. :~) kili > I checked out your site and I think Nikki and Chloe could be identical > twins! They seriously look exactly alike. Nice to see other tuxedos > around. :~) > > kili Pine Cone checked out those pictures and says that even though the kid is cute, she will never be as adorable as the Beautacious Miss Chloe, owner of Flippy and Mia in Australia. Personally, I think PC is prejudiced because he and Miss Chloe have a long term internet relationship. Pam S. laughing Welcome to the group! > http://www.geocities.com/kilikini1/kitties Awwww.... such pretty kitties!!!! SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > Welcome to the group! > >> http://www.geocities.com/kilikini1/kitties > > Awwww.... such pretty kitties!!!! Thank you, I'm quite attached to my babies! (I'm such a sucker.) :~) kili Welcome! Always nice to meet new people, both furred and bare! Hugs, CatNipped > My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I wish I > could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours behind right [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > kilikini (which means Christine in Hawaiian) > My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I wish I > could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours behind right now [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > kilikini (which means Christine in Hawaiian) Welcome, Kilikini! For some reason, my computer does not want to load the kitten pictures completely, but I did see the first two photos. What a pair of cuties! Heh heh heh, you've got Alan well trained already in terms of kitten fathership. <G> "No pets indoors" indeed! That rule didn't last long. <G> Poor Stray Mama Cat must have been very worried about those Florida hurricanes last September! NOT the optimum place or time to raise a family if you don't have a permanent home and are already a small creature in a large world. Melissa > Kilikini <kilikini@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message > Welcome, Kilikini! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Melissa It's not the optimum place, but these kids will (sadly) never know the outside again. I'm not lettin' them out! There are so many strays around here, that I'm afraid they'll fight, pick up feline aids or leukemia, ear mites, worms and fleas. Nope, now that these babies are 100% healthy and have an A.O.K. from the vet, they're inside all the time. It's cheaper, easier and worry free. kili I just wish more people realized that all the great benefits to keeping kitties inside! >My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I wish I >could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours behind right now [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >we've kept two of them. To see the pix and read the story, go to >http://www.geocities.com/kilikini1/kitties EEEEEEEEEEEK! <thud> What a scrumptious bunch of tiny tuxedoes! Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com >> My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I >> wish I could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com Aren't they cute?! Someone took two of them they had planned to adopt, then TFM gave one away. What they have left are two of the cutest little tuxedoes ever :) (Mama cat disappeared, too.) Jill > EEEEEEEEEEEK! <thud> > > What a scrumptious bunch of tiny tuxedoes! And your babies are beautiful too! You should be a proud Mommy! kili >> EEEEEEEEEEEK! <thud> >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >kili I really have just one at present, that black and white goofball, Stinky. The tiny tuxedo girl, Mimi, went to the RB eight years ago. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I wish I > could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours behind right [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > kilikini (which means Christine in Hawaiian) Forgot to mention - they look like miniature Franks and Nikkis! *SO* cute!!! Hugs, CatNipped > A stray momma kitty had 5 kittens in our shed back in about September and > we've kept two of them. To see the pix and read the story, go to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > kilikini (which means Christine in Hawaiian) Welcome to the family Kilikini. I loved the pictures of your babies. They are so sweet! I read the kitty part first (btw, what happened to mamma stray?), then I went to the information about you and your DH and realized I know you from abf. I rarely post on abf but enjoy most of the posts each day and followed Dave's grand opening and your wedding, including the pictures when they were posted. I live in Stone Mountain, GA with four furbabies - Hobbes, an orange tabby, Selena is our shy goddess who looks a lot like a burman, Lacey who is a teenage ninja calico and Sam who is our laid back, hippie tabby siamese. I'm looking forward to stories of your furkids. Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey and Sam >> A stray momma kitty had 5 kittens in our shed back in about September >and [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey and Sam Hi Kilikini from frigid Mass. my parents live in the Tampa area. At least your warm there. I have one cat who's name is Spicey, she's almost 2. Suz Macmoosette =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= "People that hate cats will come back as mice in their next life." --Faith Resnick |\__/| (=':'=) (")_(") > Welcome to the family Kilikini. I loved the pictures of your babies. > They are so sweet! I read the kitty part first (btw, what happened to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey and Sam No, you must not post much on ABF, Julie, but I do remember seeing your name! Aloha! Regarding Momma Stray kitty, ..........sigh. I almost took her on too, but she wouldn't listen, jumped up onto the counters, ate food off the counters, sprayed, peed and pooped everywhere, so my non-tolerant husband put her outside. I still fed her outside, but within a couple of days she just disappeared. I have no idea where she went. Truth be told, there's just no way we could have afforded to have another cat fixed. In all honesty, Momma kitty is probably getting pregnant again as we speak. Sad, but there is just nothing I could do! These two babies are lucky they were born in our shed. Please don't flame me folks, I did the best I could! kili > No, you must not post much on ABF, Julie, but I do remember seeing your > name! Aloha! Regarding Momma Stray kitty, ..........sigh. I almost took [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > kili Aloha `auinalâ Kili! You'll rarely get flamed on rpca for doing the best you can. We all understand. I'm feeding two cats outside right now and I know one is an intact male and suspect the female hasn't been spayed. I just can't afford another cat at the moment (having just spent close to $1,500 in the past 7 days on one of my inside cats). I do the best I can by these two by offering clean water, food twice a day and a warm shelter if they so desire. I'm considering taking them to a no-kill shelter but then again, if they belong to someone I hate to take their cats. Also I'm wondering if I take these two if two more won't show up in their place having been replaced by whatever negligent family these two belong to. Its a never ending cycle. The important thing is that you tried and you gave two of her kittens a happy home. Julie Welcome to the group, Kilikini / Christine. So now there are three Christines here; one in New Mexico, USA (right?), one in Florida, USA and me in Vantaa, Finland. You've got pretty kitties. Pics of our two, Laku (black, 4 years 8 months) and Nico (grey w/white, 5 months), are available via the addy in my sig. SignatureChristine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) yahoo (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 > Welcome to the group, Kilikini / Christine. So now there are three > Christines here; one in New Mexico, USA (right?), one in Florida, USA [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > months) and Nico (grey w/white, 5 months), are available via the addy > in my sig. I checked out your kitty pix and your children are beautiful! Thanks for the warm welcome. kili > My friend, Jill, has already sort-of introduced me to you folks. I wish I > could have seen her post! My news server is about 28 hours behind right now [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of Florida. I met my husband via Usenet, believe it or not. We weren't > even looking for each other! Welcome and Hey! We're northern neighbors of yours here in North Carolina. We have five cats of our own and a d-thing named Speedy. Hope to hear more from you soon. Pam S. |
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