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Karen AKA Kajikit - 19 Jan 2005 14:07 GMT
There have been a few occasions when I've discovered that one of the
cats has peed in an inappropriate place around the house. Once it was
Scout but it wasn't really her fault, because I had the litterbox
disassembled for cleaning and obviously she couldn't wait! This
morning our phantom pee-er was unmasked. Scout was in the litterbox
doing her business, and Silver came and squatted down in her nice soft
basket and used it for unintended purposes :( I cleaned that up and
then I realised the bathroom REEKED of ammonia. I changed the nonslip
bathmat yesterday and rolled the old one up and put it in the corner
till I could deal with it, and somebody (presumably Silver) peed on it
during the night. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! She's also peed on the scratching
carpet we gave them, and her carrier liner.

My question is, how do we stop her? I've tried yelling at her and
spraying her with vinegar and putting natures miracle onto the spots.
She doesn't go to the same spot twice so it's not like I can intercept
her... plus she does it during the night or before we get out of bed
in the morning.

I guess there's one thing to be glad of - she hasn't hit the furniture
yet. She seems to think that any flat or crumpled or rolled up object
on the floor that looks absorbent is a litterbox...
Do cats really need a litterbox each? Should I try taking the cover
off the covered box and see if that makes her happy? I'm at my wits
end here! Help!
~Karen aka Kajikit
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Karen - 19 Jan 2005 14:18 GMT
Taking the cover off the box is the FIRST thing I would try. She needs to be
vet checked for sure. Keep soft crumpled things off the floor, and yes, I'd
add a box. I put an extra in my bedroom on an office mat from Office Depot
and put up a little cheapy "fireplace" screen (wooden) for privacy. People
honestly don't even notice it in there. THey don't use it much but in case
the box is occupado, there is an alternate place to pee. You will notice
that the box was occupied when you caught her yesterday, so, definitely,
there needs to be an extra one.

> There have been a few occasions when I've discovered that one of the
> cats has peed in an inappropriate place around the house. Once it was
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Karen AKA Kajikit - 19 Jan 2005 14:39 GMT
>Taking the cover off the box is the FIRST thing I would try. She needs to be
>vet checked for sure. Keep soft crumpled things off the floor, and yes, I'd
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>that the box was occupied when you caught her yesterday, so, definitely,
>there needs to be an extra one.

She was at the vet on saturday for a pre-spay checkup and she got a
clean bill of health... I know sometimes inappropriate peeing is a
sign of distress, but I think this is sheer bloodymindedness! lol

I took the cover off the box and also removed the littertrap from in
front of it. I know they both HATE the feel of the rubber treads on
their paws, but they're such terrible litter-scratchers that I had to
try to minimise the mess.

She's definitely displeased with me about something - she tried to
jump on my lap and slipped off, so she stuck her claws into my jeans.
Then she scrabbled a bit and knocked the keyboard off onto my toes.
Ouch!
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Karen - 19 Jan 2005 17:08 GMT
If they hate the litter mat that could be a big problem. Consider going to
the office store and getting a clear plastic office matt to put under it for
floor protection. I keep a dustpan and small dust brush in the drawer next
to the cat box and just sweep up when I happen to go in there. That might be
enough to keep her from using the box.

> I took the cover off the box and also removed the littertrap from in
> front of it. I know they both HATE the feel of the rubber treads on
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Victor Martinez - 19 Jan 2005 15:12 GMT
> My question is, how do we stop her? I've tried yelling at her and
> spraying her with vinegar and putting natures miracle onto the spots.

I'd suggest cleaning very well with an enzymatic cleaner, then with
oxyclean in hot water. That will for sure get rid of all the smell.
Remember, just because you can't smell it, doesn't mean they can't.
Then, spray the affected areas with Feliway. You might also consider
buying a couple of Feliway diffusers. They are expensive, but well worth
it. Here's the lowest price source I've found:
http://www.petguys.com/-039079027910.html
refills are only $12.99 in the same shop.

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Karen AKA Kajikit - 19 Jan 2005 18:31 GMT
>> My question is, how do we stop her? I've tried yelling at her and
>> spraying her with vinegar and putting natures miracle onto the spots.
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>http://www.petguys.com/-039079027910.html
>refills are only $12.99 in the same shop.

Thanks Victor. I'm having trouble getting the stench out of the
bathroom. I sprayed it with Nature's Miracle twice, and mopped it
twice and it still pongs. So far that stuff isn't very miraculous :(
Any other suggestions are welcome - I've got washing to do and I can't
hang it up in there until the odor is gone unless I want to walk
around smelling like ammonia! btw, the apartment floors are all tile,
but I think the grout is absorbing the cat pee :(

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Victor Martinez - 19 Jan 2005 18:50 GMT
> bathroom. I sprayed it with Nature's Miracle twice, and mopped it
> twice and it still pongs. So far that stuff isn't very miraculous :(

We use one called Petzime. Also, the oxyclean with hot water works
miracles. If you can rent a carpet/floor cleaner, those work very well too.

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Magic Mood Jeep? - 19 Jan 2005 19:22 GMT
>>> My question is, how do we stop her? I've tried yelling at her and
>>> spraying her with vinegar and putting natures miracle onto the
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One thing I learned from watching the Discovery Channel show "Mythbusters"
was that if anything can get the smell out, a mix of hydrogen peroxide (the
kind you can buy at your grocery/drug store, usually 3%) and baking soda
(you know the stuff you put in the fridge to 'deodorize' it, the most common
brand is Arm & Hammer).  I've tried it on a few places and works very well.
The Mythbuster guys were trying to find out which of the 'home rememdies'
(tomato worked on removing the skink smell - actually submitted themselves
to getting sprayed by a skunk.  The only thing that worked was the
peroxide/baking soda mix, everything else just 'masked' the smell.

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Christine Burel - 19 Jan 2005 20:28 GMT
Try the Petzyme liquid that is specifically made for Cat Stains and Odors --
from Petsmart; it's great stuff -- also, don't use vinegar that can
encourage more pee to cover up the smell.  The rule of thumb is one
litterbox per cat plus one extra.  I've also heard that some cats like to
have one to pee in and one to poop in; I haven't experienced this but I do
have 5 and I have 5 boxes in the laundry room and 2 in our 2nd small
bathroom.  I agree with the other posters re the Feliway diffusers and
getting her urine checked at the vets to make sure she hasn't acquired a
UTI.  Punishing her will not solve the situation and it may make things
worse.  See what you can do to maximize convenience and/or comfort/privacy
for the errant one.  I have one  (Midnight) who periodically "marks" her
territory despite the things I have tried because she is NOT happy about our
former feral Tucker who lives here.   She particularly likes to mark the
front door -- I just clean it off with the Petzyme spray and a paper
towel -- it doesn't happen everyday; she's checked out okay medically so I
think she's just got a 'tude sometimes when she's mad at Tucker. The Petzyme
works better and smells better than the Nature's Miracle from my experience.
Hope this helps -- there's also a product called "Anti-Icky-Poo" you can
order online, which I did for about $50 and I don't think it works any
better than the $12.99 gallon of Petzyme for Cats Stains.
Christine

> >> My question is, how do we stop her? I've tried yelling at her and
> >> spraying her with vinegar and putting natures miracle onto the spots.
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Karen AKA Kajikit - 19 Jan 2005 22:07 GMT
>Try the Petzyme liquid that is specifically made for Cat Stains and Odors --
>from Petsmart; it's great stuff -- also, don't use vinegar that can
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>order online, which I did for about $50 and I don't think it works any
>better than the $12.99 gallon of Petzyme for Cats Stains.

Actually it was the cat who got sprayed with vinegar water, not the
floor... we caught her in the act and that's a very norty thing to do
so she got sprayed for punishment.
We'll go buy a second litterbox on the weekend, and I'll look into the
petzyme. I wasn't impressed by Petsmart's prices when we went there,
but if it works it's probably worth the trip. The smell seems to be
disippating now - the nature's miracle is finally drying out and doing
its job (either that or my nose has been paralysed!)
~Karen aka Kajikit
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KellyH - 20 Jan 2005 02:46 GMT
> Actually it was the cat who got sprayed with vinegar water, not the
> floor... we caught her in the act and that's a very norty thing to do
> so she got sprayed for punishment.

Why, may I ask, were you spraying her with vinegar and water and not just
plain water?  I saw someone else post that before and I didn't get it.  What
does adding vinegar do except make the cat stink and be unpleasant for the
cat to clean itself later, not to mention dangerous if you got her in the
eye.

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Sherry - 20 Jan 2005 15:32 GMT
>Actually it was the cat who got sprayed with vinegar water, not the
>floor... we caught her in the act and that's a very norty thing to do
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>its job (either that or my nose has been paralysed!)
>~Karen aka Kajikit

HOpe you get it resolved Karen. You've got all the purrs we can muster. One of
our cats started peeing under the dining room table, and the other three
decided that was just a cool thing to do. So t hey all started doing it. We had
to rip up the carpet and put vinyl there. Jacky started it when he was little,
I think Boots was terrorizing him and he was afraid to use the box, he felt
protected hidden under the table. But then they all started it.
Sherry
Marina - 20 Jan 2005 03:26 GMT
> Try the Petzyme liquid that is specifically made for Cat Stains and Odors --
> from Petsmart; it's great stuff -- also, don't use vinegar that can
> encourage more pee to cover up the smell.  The rule of thumb is one
> litterbox per cat plus one extra.  I've also heard that some cats like to
> have one to pee in and one to poop in;

That's true. I have two litterboxes for my two, and they mostly poo in
one and pee in the other. I recently replaced an old litterbox with a
new one, and was a little worried that the cats might not accept it.
Hah! Needn't have worried. It's a very, very popular box. It seems like
they produce more than before, just to get to use the new box. ;o)

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Dan M - 19 Jan 2005 19:43 GMT
> My question is, how do we stop her? I've tried yelling at her and
> spraying her with vinegar and putting natures miracle onto the spots.
> She doesn't go to the same spot twice so it's not like I can intercept
> her... plus she does it during the night or before we get out of bed
> in the morning.

Have you had a vet check her over for a UTI? If that's not the problem,
then all I can add is to echo what everybody else has said. It can be a
bit of a pain to solve.
MaryL - 19 Jan 2005 22:17 GMT
> There have been a few occasions when I've discovered that one of the
> cats has peed in an inappropriate place around the house. Once it was
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Karen,

Here are a few suggestions:

(1) Don't yell.  It may make you feel better, but the cat won't understand
and will probably only associate your actions by fearing or distrusting you.

(2) You said you have been to a vet.  Was Silver checked specifically for
crystals in the urine or UTI?  If not, that should be done immediately.

(3) The general rule of thumb is 1 litter box per cat plus 1 extra, and it's
a good rule.  At a minimum, it is essential to have 2 boxes because many
cats will not use the same box for both urine and feces.  Moreover, cats are
not used to "waiting for their turn" if the other cat already occupies the
box.

(4) Since scratching vigorously (with litter landing outside the box) is a
problem, get a larger box with high sides.  I bought the large-size covered
box (higher sides) and discarded the cover.  That works perfectly with my
twosome.  Also, place a soft rubber mat under the box instead of one with
treads.  The last thing you want is anything that your cats might try to
avoid because it is uncomfortable on their paws.  Soft rubber is ideal
because you can easily pick it up and tilt it into a trash can for cleaning.
Hard rubber will also work, but you would need to vacuum it.  Some people
like to place an extra piece of carpeting under the box instead.

(5) Do you have any of the Feliway plug-in dispensers?  That would be a good
idea if there is any chance of behavioral problems.

(6) Don't use *any* rugs with rubberized backing.  Many of them are natural
attractants to cats, and they will often urinate on the rugs -- and then it
can become difficult to change a bad habit.  If any have already been peed
on, *discard* them and don't count on washing to remove the scent.  Cats can
readily detect scents that the human nose doesn't smell, and a cat will be
drawn back to an object that already has the scent of urine embedded in it.
An enzymatic cleaner should be used on surfaces that surrounded the area
that was used, but I personally would simply get rid of the actual mats.

(7) Avoid using ammonia (or ammonia-based household cleaners) for cleaning.
That mimics the scent of urine and can also cause a cat to pee
inappropriately.

(8) Have you changed the location of the litter boxes?  Shortly after I
adopted Duffy, I tried to move one of the boxes to another location, but he
continued to use the corner where I had previously placed the box.  He won!
I moved the litter box back to the original location, and he happily used it
again.

MaryL

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