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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2005What Do you do? A Poll
Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for one) and so forth. You don't have to be any more specific than you want, but I confess to being extremely curious. If you're currently out of work, you don't have to say so, just list your career field. I am a Substitute Teacher for Cumberland Co. North Carolina, married to a Blackhawk mechanic/inspector who is medically retired from the US army. Pam S. > Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know we > have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for one) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I am a Substitute Teacher for Cumberland Co. North Carolina, married to a > Blackhawk mechanic/inspector who is medically retired from the US army. I'm a computer geek married to a computer geek! I'm a s/w engineer, currently in the aerospace field, and my husband Eric is a firmware engineer at a hard drive company.  Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* I'm a networking and medical geek, I suppose. On the network side, I've both been a researcher and developer, mostly on high-end routing for core Internet providers and for life-critical networks. While it's hard to sell advanced books in this economy, I've published four textbooks. I like to consider myself an engineer who teaches rather than a "trainer", but my major contracts at the moment are for developing advanced Internet engineering courses. Originally, I was a chemistry major, and while I dropped out into computer science, I try to get to a fair bit of medical continuing education, especially with so much on-line. I do work on and off with a firm that does clinical automation, and I combine the odd roles (as Chief Technology Officer) of both creating and enforcing software engineering, but also being the point of contact to physicians, demonstrating that we understand what they are trying to do. One of my favorite areas is expert systems for prescribing. Some of this comes together in planning disaster response facilities. I was the network consultant, for example, for the US government Y2K center. I work for a small independant telecommunications company by day and teach 2 sessions of art online for Saint Leo's Uni the rest of the time. Once a month I troubleshoot internet problems for another small company. (I don't know why, but they don't want me to completely quit. ) There you go. Keeps 'em in kitty beds. > Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know > we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pam S. > Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know > we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pam S. B.A. Journalism Worked as tech editor/tech writer; traffic person for radio and tv stations. Mom since 15 years+ Currently working part-time as a book merchandiser for various retail stores. Christine Office worker. SignatureCheryl Bachelor. Neighbor. US Citzen. Churchgoing man. Priesthood holder. Survivalist. Locksmith. Heating and AC repairman / installer. Refrigeration repair / installer Single adult seeking future wife Piano student SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com >Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know >we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Pam S. Retired bookkeeper on Social Security, a small IRA, and a VERY small retirement check (which just about covers my medical insurance and medications). Nan >>Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know >>we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for >>one) and so forth. Before desktop publishing was ever heard of, I was a "typesetter." There's a word you don't hear anymore. More recently I managed the art department at a metro newspaper and did ad design / layout, page layout, etc. Then my health just didn't allow me to work anymore. Now I think I'm what you call a recluse. Sherry > Before desktop publishing was ever heard of, I was a "typesetter." There's a > word you don't hear anymore. <snip> My mom was a typesetter when she was young too, building up the text from the individual characters made out of metal. Then she went on to doing it on computer-like machines, not so computer-like in the beginning tho, they were loud machines as they operated on pressurized air, punching holes into a ribbon of paper - that was the text. In her later years and up until she retired, she worked in sales - selling printed products such as business cards, forms, letterhead papers, whatever anyone would want to have printed. You two might have a thing or two to talk about if you ever met... :) SignatureChristine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) yahoo (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 >My mom was a typesetter when she was young too, building up the text >from the individual characters made out of metal. Then she went on to >doing it on computer-like machines, not so computer-like in the >beginning tho, they were loud machines as they operated on pressurized >air, punching holes into a ribbon of paper - that was the text. YES. Your mom either worked with Compugraphic or Verityper. Back then, setting up print jobs was a real craft, and took a lot of skill. You couldn't "see" what you were creating until it was finished, ran the punched tape through the machine and you developed the film. If you were typing a long legal notice, and lost your place, it was a nightmare to figure out from the punched tape where you left off. Imagine doing desktop publishing without a monitor. That's what it was like. Still I loved it though. I remember when Compugraphic came out with the Unisetter, and you could see your text one line at a time. I though, wow, that's for wimps. Your mom & I *would* have a lot to talk about! Sherry In her >later years and up until she retired, she worked in sales - selling >printed products such as business cards, forms, letterhead papers, >whatever anyone would want to have printed. > >You two might have a thing or two to talk about if you ever met... :) > >My mom was a typesetter when she was young too, building up the text > >from the individual characters made out of metal. Then she went on to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > wow, that's for wimps. > Your mom & I *would* have a lot to talk about! And I remember when Compugraphic first developed "computerized phototypesetting". I worked for a magazine in Boston that used this behemoth machine. Errors could be corrected and files could be saved. It had special command keys. They refined the machine over the years and made it smaller and smaller, and more efficient. But when I worked on it you needed several strong men to move it away from the wall enough to do any repairs in the back. >>My mom was a typesetter when she was young too, building up the text >>from the individual characters made out of metal. Then she went on to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sherry I've been racking my brain since this last post and now I remember she called the noisy machine a Monotype. Then there were also Linotype machines. In those days she worked for a fairly large printing house that made most of the calendars in Finland as well as other big printed items, such as sets of encyclopaedias - still have a set she got cheap when working there, it's dated in the 1970's. Oh well, the old guys are still the same, but some of the newer ones may have kicked the bucket since then... My parents speak English too, so you actually *could* talk, if you did happen to meet, however remote that chance is. SignatureChristine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) yahoo (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 > >>My mom was a typesetter when she was young too, building up the text > >>from the individual characters made out of metal. Then she went on to [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > My parents speak English too, so you actually *could* talk, if you did > happen to meet, however remote that chance is. From a friend who was a newspaper typesetter, I learned that it was quite common, in the US, to have deaf Linotype operators -- it was considered an advantage for the high noise environment of those machines. Hearing typesetters were generally not accepted until they had at least working sign language fluency. Was this the case in other countries? > From a friend who was a newspaper typesetter, I learned that it was > quite common, in the US, to have deaf Linotype operators -- it was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Was this the case in other countries? Not as far as I know, at least concerning Finland, but then again I was around 10-12 years old when my mom worked for that company. I only remember her complaining about the noise. SignatureChristine in Vantaa, Finland christal63 (at) yahoo (dot) com photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 Another very noisy place to work was a mill, I was a weaver for a couple of yrs when I was about 16and you couldn't hear yourself speak let alone anyone else, when we met new boys we'd tell them we were *shuttle typists* as we didn't like to say we were mill workers.guess we were just little snobs Jean.P. > > From a friend who was a newspaper typesetter, I learned that it was > > quite common, in the US, to have deaf Linotype operators -- it was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > christal63 (at) yahoo (dot) com > photos: http://photos.yahoo.com/christal63 >>> Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I >>> know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Before desktop publishing was ever heard of, I was a "typesetter." > There's a word you don't hear anymore. LOL I learned programming on punch cards. > More recently I managed the art department at a metro newspaper and > did ad design / layout, page layout, etc. Then my health just didn't > allow me to work anymore. > Now I think I'm what you call a recluse. > > Sherry Jill <---also a recluse > >>> Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I > >>> know [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Jill <---also a recluse Nah, you and Sherry are just in the training period for the position of "Crazy Cat Lady". You've both got the "recluse" bit workedout, but you both need several dozen more cats before you get your official "Crazy Cat Lady" diploma ;-) Yowie >>>>> Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Yowie Hmmm, my manager dropped the monthly pet fee for Persia (and birds don't 'count' as pets for some reason) but I'm not sure she would be able to do that if I had half a dozen cats. Not to mention, Persia wouldn't tolerate any interlopers! Jill >Nah, you and Sherry are just in the training period for the position of >"Crazy Cat Lady". You've both got the "recluse" bit workedout, but you both >need several dozen more cats before you get your official "Crazy Cat Lady" >diploma ;-) > >Yowie I am officially a Crazy Cat Lady, because I have the CCL Action Figure. And because all the neighborhood kids know this is where the stray cats go, and point to my door and say "That's where the Cat Lady lives!". Ginger-lyn Certified Crazy Cat Lady > I am officially a Crazy Cat Lady, because I have the CCL Action > Figure. And because all the neighborhood kids know this is where the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Ginger-lyn > Certified Crazy Cat Lady Not only do I have a floating ownership of between 5 and 10 cats, but an enclosure and the neighbors all send the strays over to our house to ask us to take care of them. Pam S. who is certified, or ought to be >Jill wrote... ---------------------<snip>---------------------- >> > More recently I managed the art department at a metro newspaper and >> > did ad design / layout, page layout, etc. Then my health just didn't [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Yowie Respectfully, I have to disagree. While a dozen or more cats is definitely an asset if one aspires to be a "Crazy Cat Lady", some people are able to make it work with as few as two or three. Regards and Purrs, O J > Respectfully, I have to disagree. While a dozen or more cats is > definitely an asset if one aspires to be a "Crazy Cat Lady", some > people are able to make it work with as few as two or three. I must take exception to the obvious sexist nature of the term "Crazy Cat Lady". There are plenty of us guys out there who might share the same passion/obsession. :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > I must take exception to the obvious sexist nature of the term "Crazy > Cat Lady". There are plenty of us guys out there who might share the > same passion/obsession. :) Hehehehe, says he with the seven cats. So what would be PC, Mentally Unstable Cat Person? SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki >> Respectfully, I have to disagree. While a dozen or more cats is >> definitely an asset if one aspires to be a "Crazy Cat Lady", some [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Cat Lady". There are plenty of us guys out there who might share the > same passion/obsession. :) What would be PC? Crazy Cat People springs to mind.... Jill > What would be PC? Crazy Cat People springs to mind.... Crazy Cat Person is gender-inclusive... :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >>>Respectfully, I have to disagree. While a dozen or more cats is >>>definitely an asset if one aspires to be a "Crazy Cat Lady", some [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What would be PC? Crazy Cat People springs to mind.... Perhaps it would be "Mentally Divergent Cat People", "Crazy" is definitely not PC :-) SignatureNik Simpson >>>>Respectfully, I have to disagree. While a dozen or more cats is >>>>definitely an asset if one aspires to be a "Crazy Cat Lady", some [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Perhaps it would be "Mentally Divergent Cat People", "Crazy" is definitely > not PC :-) Crazy is absolutely not PC. From my stance as a local government employee, PC'd to death for years, this is what would be acceptable to us: Cat person with mental health problems. Tweed >>>Respectfully, I have to disagree. While a dozen or more cats is >>>definitely an asset if one aspires to be a "Crazy Cat Lady", some [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jill A rather strange and warped cat. He's currently working on ways to get back at the d-thing for continually sticking his nose up PC's butt and scaring him. Pam S. amused by the communication between the two species >>>> Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I >>>> know [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > LOL I learned programming on punch cards. Did you ever drop a bunch of them? > Jill <---also a recluse SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) also a recluse for now A house is not a home, without a cat. >>>>> Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I >>>>> know [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> Jill <---also a recluse GAK! Yes, but I had been told to number the cards (whew) I would have failed that class for sure otherwise. >>>>>> Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I >>>>>> know [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > GAK! Yes, but I had been told to number the cards (whew) I would have > failed that class for sure otherwise. Hey, Jill! Did you ever have the "pleasure" or resequencing a 4000-card tray that you dropped when you stepped on a pencil that rolled? I have. Sam >>LOL I learned programming on punch cards. > > Did you ever drop a bunch of them? The computer at the first college I attended "spoke" Fortran, which used punch cards. One of my friends worked in the computer lab and came up with a program to put musical "notes" on cards shuffle them up and feed them through the computer. Some of the compositions were pretty good, some stank. Pam S. who loved that old computer for the chips she got rid of an old room mate with >>>Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know >>>we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry It's always been my aspiration to be a recluse. :) Right now I'm a Finance/IT cross. >>>>Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know >>>>we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It's always been my aspiration to be a recluse. :) Mine too. I wanna be a recluse. Pam S. who's discussed this with family >>>Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know >>>we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Sherry Oh, yeah. I was a typesetter many years ago, both with punchtape at J. C. Penney and then with the Compugraphic line-at-a-time machine at the student newspaper in college. Memories . . . light the corner of my mind ;-) Ginger-lyn Jill of All Trades ;-) >>>> Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I >>>> know [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Ginger-lyn > Jill of All Trades ;-) ROFL That reminds me of a funny. When I worked at Prudential in the 80's we had a new regional VP. He was showing some clients around and tried to introduce me as a "Jack of All Trades" but he said, "She's basically a Jackass - uh, Jack-ESS! of all Trades" Jill > ROFL That reminds me of a funny. When I worked at Prudential in the 80's > we had a new regional VP. He was showing some clients around and tried to > introduce me as a "Jack of All Trades" but he said, "She's basically a > Jackass - uh, Jack-ESS! of all Trades" ROFL! SignatureMarina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki > >>Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know > >>we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Sherry Sherry, I did typesetting for a couple of years. I worked for a newspaper and as we typed our words came out on a sort of tape as a series of dots. You had to learn the code. The tapes were then fed into a typesetting machine. It was a step forward from the linotype setters. You had to be a very fast typist. Interesting. Bev SignatureCats aren't clean, they're just covered with cat spit. >> >>Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know >> >>we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >into a typesetting machine. It was a step forward from the linotype >setters. You had to be a very fast typist. Interesting. If you belonged to the union you were a typographer. :) My late uncle set hot metal type for years. He retired just as the newspaper was getting the Photon machines. > >> >>Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know > >> >>we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > My late uncle set hot metal type for years. He retired just as the > newspaper was getting the Photon machines. I did belong to the union. I can remember that women were paid the same as men, not common in those days. Another memory was telling DH I had to be at work early. "Why?", he asked. "We are going to go on strike," I said, rofl. It was a militant union. I also remember one of the subs touching a linotype machine. We all downed tools in a second and the paper was late. Bev SignatureCats aren't clean, they're just covered with cat spit. > >Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? I know > >we have some, ok a lot, of computer geeks, educators (or what passes for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Nan >Didn't know you were in the IRA Nan, LOL Jean.P. LOL Sorry, Individual Retirement Account. Nan > I am a Substitute Teacher for Cumberland Co. North Carolina, married to > a Blackhawk mechanic/inspector who is medically retired from the US army. I am a process control engineer kinda married to a TV producer and host, writer, teacher, and garden designer. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> I am a Substitute Teacher for Cumberland Co. North Carolina, married to a >> Blackhawk mechanic/inspector who is medically retired from the US army. > > I am a process control engineer kinda married to a TV producer and host, > writer, teacher, and garden designer. "kinda married"? Is that like being a little bit pregnant? =P Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >>I am a process control engineer kinda married to a TV producer and host, >>writer, teacher, and garden designer. > > "kinda married"? Is that like being a little bit pregnant? =P With the laws being as short sighted as they are about gay marriages, sorts married is about the right term. The two have been together longer than a lot of heterosexual couples, but aren't allowed by law to make it formal. Seems unfair to me, why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us. :-) Pam S. teasing Victor, Tom and the rest of the gay couples out there > With the laws being as short sighted as they are about gay marriages, > sorts married is about the right term. The two have been together > longer than a lot of heterosexual couples, but aren't allowed by law to We'll be celebrating our 8th anniversary in April. :) > make it formal. Seems unfair to me, why shouldn't they be as miserable > as the rest of us. :-) It's not just the miserable part though... :) As it stands now, if Tom were to be hospitalized and unconscious, I would not have the right to be by his side. If I were to die, all the assets that I own that I have willed to Tom would be taxed at 50% (or something ridiculous like that), whereas if he were my husband there would be no tax. The list of unfairness goes on and on... :( SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> make it formal. Seems unfair to me, why shouldn't they be as miserable as >> the rest of us. :-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > were my husband there would be no tax. The list of unfairness goes on and > on... :( Fine, get me started on my rant! Actually, you've made a lot of the points I was going to make. The insurance at both my employer and my husband's will cover "life partners," so at least that's one small step. Honestly, I don't understand what is going on in people's heads. I've heard people argue that marriage is for procreation ... but if that's the case, why do hetero couples with no intention to have children get to be married, while gay couples who do have kids don't get those benefits? It makes no sense! Some days, I just hate people =/ Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > The insurance at both my employer and my husband's will cover "life partners," > so at least that's one small step. It is. However, the IRS considers the cost of insuring a non-married partner to be taxable income... :( SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > Honestly, I don't understand what is going on in people's heads. I've heard > people argue that marriage is for procreation ... but if that's the case, why > do hetero couples with no intention to have children get to be married, while > gay couples who do have kids don't get those benefits? It makes no sense! Yeah, if it was for procreation, Dennis and I shouldn't even be married. We will be celebrating our 9th anniversary in 5 weeks. No kids, no plans for 'em either. -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > >> make it formal. Seems unfair to me, why shouldn't they be as miserable as > >> the rest of us. :-) [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* I quite agree about the unfairness of not letting gay couples of either sex tie the knot legally. I'd rather see happy same-sex couples come out of City Hall together hand in hand than see pictures of the devastation in Iraq any day. It is SUCH a load of horse hockey to say gay marriage undermines heterosexual couples! Marriage is NOT only about procreation, especially not when there are over six billion people on our poor crowded Earth, already. I've always thought that marriage at it's best was supposed to be for the mutual aid, society and comfort of the participants, whether or not they decided to have kids. (And that there was no legal requirement saying a heterosexual couple HAD to have kids. To conceive or not is a decision best left up to each couple.) I'm quite sure we do NOT need to amend the Constitution to take away a specific right from a specific group of people. Harumph. Congratulations on your upcoming 8th anniversary, Victor and Tom. =o) Melissa >> >> make it formal. Seems unfair to me, why shouldn't they be as miserable >as [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >Iraq any day. It is SUCH a load of horse hockey to say gay marriage >undermines heterosexual couples! This is probably the single thing that drives me craziest about the whole gay marriage debate. The anti-camp repeats this bromide until everyone believes it somehow, but they never explain HOW that "undermining" is supposed to happen. People making public arguments that effect other people's lives should be held to rigorous standards of logic, evidence, and clear, rational thought. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > This is probably the single thing that drives me craziest about the > whole gay marriage debate. The anti-camp repeats this bromide until > everyone believes it somehow, but they never explain HOW that > "undermining" is supposed to happen. People making public arguments > that effect other people's lives should be held to rigorous standards > of logic, evidence, and clear, rational thought. Considering the "stability" of some of the Heterosexual marriages I've seen, I'd rather see Gays be able to get married. They'd be far better neighbors than the "Jerry Springer" couples. Pam S. sighing Lady I knew and loved, bought a house in a small settlement with lovely homes and lots of rules, but not one that said no"gays' fortunately for Lucy. She had two young men living opposite her, and when her son died of liver cancer they just couldn't do enough for her, they were friendly before Will died, but after,.... they were astronomical, even sometimes sending her a meal over in case she didn't cook just for herself. they were lovely men Jean.P. > > This is probably the single thing that drives me craziest about the > > whole gay marriage debate. The anti-camp repeats this bromide until [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pam S. sighing > This is probably the single thing that drives me craziest about the > whole gay marriage debate. The anti-camp repeats this bromide until > everyone believes it somehow, but they never explain HOW that > "undermining" is supposed to happen. People making public arguments > that effect other people's lives should be held to rigorous standards > of logic, evidence, and clear, rational thought. That's been one of my biggest questions too. How would legalizing gay marriage endanger or undermine marriage? Here is one hetero who is fully in support of legalizing gay marriage. I figure any relationship in which two (or I suppose maybe more) mature adults who are truly in love with each other is a good thing and should be encouraged. Dan > > >> make it formal. Seems unfair to me, why shouldn't they be as miserable > as [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > amend the Constitution to take away a specific right from a specific group > of people. And on the other hand, I was pregnant for 3 months *without* being married (we did get married, but the wedding had been planned for a year, the pregnancy- being unexpected - had nothing to do with the timing), so the notion that marriage is needed for procreation is also out. The people who make a mockery of the "institution" of marriage are not two people who love each other and are committed to each to each other's wellbeing, its the type of people who get married with no intention of actually sticking with it. Brittney Spears comes to mind immediatley, but there are many others who seem to get married simply because the like being the bride or groom, not because they want to spend the rest of their lives, through thick & thin, with that person. Yowie > It's not just the miserable part though... :) As it stands now, if Tom > were to be hospitalized and unconscious, I would not have the right to > be by his side. If I were to die, all the assets that I own that I have > willed to Tom would be taxed at 50% (or something ridiculous like that), > whereas if he were my husband there would be no tax. The list of > unfairness goes on and on... :(/// You and Tom should move to the UK. At least then you'd have the "Civil partnership" bill. Not ideal, but marriage in everything but name. Plus the furry crew could come on passports, and it means I'd get to see you! Helen M >> It's not just the miserable part though... :) As it stands now, if >> Tom were to be hospitalized and unconscious, I would not have the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Helen M While I would welcome Victor and Tom I think they may find our climate rather cool after Texas. Also moving away because bad law, IMO, is not he answer. The best thing to do is try to change things at home. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. >> With the laws being as short sighted as they are about gay marriages, >> sorts married is about the right term. The two have been together [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >whereas if he were my husband there would be no tax. The list of >unfairness goes on and on... :( Tax unfairness aside (and that's a pretty huge aside), I think I read somewhere that you could do something with legal documents (something like power of attorney) that would allow you to have legal say-so regarding medical things and other personal affairs. I think it's criminal that something like that should be necessary, but is that a possiblity? Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha ============ http://www.jhedge.com > >> With the laws being as short sighted as they are about gay marriages, > >> sorts married is about the right term. The two have been together [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > criminal that something like that should be necessary, but is that a > possiblity? In many cases, yes. Virginia has passed an atrocious law that is bound to be struck down in the courts, but is nightmarish. Essentially, it says that if there is a contract between two people that might appear to give the impression that it is an attempt to circumvent the prohibition against same-sex marriage, it can be challenged in court. This could mean that if I. a single heterosexual, happened to give a male friend by medical power of attorney, some busybody could challenge it. > Tax unfairness aside (and that's a pretty huge aside), I think I read > somewhere that you could do something with legal documents (something > like power of attorney) that would allow you to have legal say-so > regarding medical things and other personal affairs. I think it's > criminal that something like that should be necessary, but is that a > possiblity? Yes, I have downloaded the necessary forms, but have yet to print them and have them notarized. Like I told Tom, all I want is the power to pull the plug on you... ;-) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> Tax unfairness aside (and that's a pretty huge aside), I think I read >> somewhere that you could do something with legal documents (something [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > have them notarized. Like I told Tom, all I want is the power to pull the > plug on you... ;-) Make sure they are the right forms for your state. Most hospital admission clerks have sets of forms they will give you although you really don't want to wait till you are already talking to one of them. While many of the domestic partner laws are at least a step in the right direction, a big drawback is they differ from state to state. So you can never be sure where you stand. Jo >>>I am a process control engineer kinda married to a TV producer and host, >>>writer, teacher, and garden designer. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pam S. teasing Victor, Tom and the rest of the gay couples out there ooooh yeah. I forgot. *sigh* Don't get me started on my rant about how stupid anti-gay-marriage laws are =/ Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >Don't get me started on my rant about how stupid anti-gay-marriage laws are =/ Aw, go ahead and rant!!! :) I do it all the time, especially here in the Bible Belt's idiot state. Not just the marriage laws but the general attitudes and ignorance. Aaaarrrrrgh!!! Jeanne I wandered into a local resort for a summer job 23 years ago! I'm still trying to figure out what I want to do when I grow up. Until then, I am (mostly) very happily employed as a Convention Services Manager. That means I act as a liaison between the person planning the event and the various hotel departments - rooms, food and beverage, recreation. It's detail-oriented with lots of deadlines but it's NEVER boring. (BTW, anytime you have a question about this process I'm happy to share my knowledge) Best piece of advice: ALWAYS listen to your caterer! More info than you asked for: My husband works in upper management at the same resort - in fact, we met there. At home we have 7 cats, in order of age: Boomer, Murray, Sallie, Bunne, Mrs. King, Bear and Davey, 2 parakeets, Blue and Green, and the small boss of the house, Chickie the Lovebird. We are awaiting (any day now) our first and probably only grandchild (daughter). Cindy >>>I am a process control engineer kinda married to a TV producer and host, >>>writer, teacher, and garden designer. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > With the laws being as short sighted as they are about gay marriages, > sorts married is about the right term. Another "kinda married" poster here, who works in a church office, is a substitute church organist, and sings in a small early-music ensemble. My partner and I have been together for nearly 20 years, so whenever I encounter a form on which choices are given for marital status, I always hesitate involuntarily, because the choices always seem to be "Single," "Married," or "Divorced." But as far as state (Arizona) and country are concerned, we have no status. Tucson, however, does have a domestic partnership ordinance; it ensures hospital visitation rights and family rates for city facilities that charge fees. That's as far as it goes, unfortunately. Bruce's company does provide domestic partner benefits, and I think they even adjust salary to compensate for the federal taxation of those benefits. At our church gay and lesbian people are fully involved at every level of parish life--the parish adopted several years ago an official welcoming statement. I'm also a semi-retired church organist, and fill in whenever our regular organist is out of town. Fortunately, our cats are equal-opportunity, nondiscriminatory lap fungi. David Wachter > Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? > Pam S. I work in the Food & Beverage industry. I'm a Sommelier, currently I work at a small fine dinning steak house & martini lounge. I serve/ bartend/ supervise & most importantly, buy the booze & write the wine list. SignatureMathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas > I work in the Food & Beverage industry. I'm a Sommelier, currently I work > at a small fine dinning steak house & martini lounge. I serve/ bartend/ > supervise & most importantly, buy the booze & write the wine list. Awesome! I love wine and would love to be a wine buyer... or an exotic food buyer... :) SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> I work in the Food & Beverage industry. I'm a Sommelier, currently I >> work [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Awesome! I love wine and would love to be a wine buyer... or an exotic > food buyer... :) They do get invited to some really cool conventions. Jo > > Ok, I'm curious. What does everyone in here do for tuna money? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > at a small fine dinning steak house & martini lounge. I serve/ bartend/ > supervise & most importantly, buy the booze & write the wine list. OOoo. That explains the kitties names!! I would love to be a sommelier. >> I work in the Food & Beverage industry. I'm a Sommelier, currently I work >> at a small fine dinning steak house & martini lounge. I serve/ bartend/ >> supervise & most importantly, buy the booze & write the wine list. -- >> Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas > > OOoo. That explains the kitties names!! I would love to be a sommelier. I haven't looked up what "sommelier" means yet, and I'm not a wine fan, but I think working at a steak house would be a little too much of a good thing for me! Yum! *wondering if she should ask Eric to bring home some steak tonight ... * Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > >> I work in the Food & Beverage industry. I'm a Sommelier, currently I work > >> at a small fine dinning steak house & martini lounge. I serve/ bartend/ [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > *wondering if she should ask Eric to bring home some steak tonight ... * You too??? I LOVE steak!!! It's one of my favourite foods ever. I could *live* on steak. The worst part is that in Thailand they hardly have any beef, so I only get it when I go to Bangkok. By that time I have *cravings*, LOL! BTW, I also love wine. Hehe, my cat's name is Vino. -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album <SNIP> > > > OOoo. That explains the kitties names!! I would love to be a > sommelier. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Check out pictures of Vino at: > http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album Monique: Sommelier is a french term for 'Wine Expert', you must take the course & pass a series of tests to get the diploma (I did do a little college & university but never finished) brackets being said, it's the most difficult peice of education I've ever done. Mostly because it combines so many disciplines into one... Geography, history, viniculture, viticulture, microclimatology, horticulture, geology, cultural anthropology & linguistics... I'm sure I'm missing one or 2... Suffice to say, I drank some VERY expensive wine the day I got my test results. Britta: You live in Thailand?? Where? I spent a winter there about 10 years ago... 2 month of it in areas that are now recovering from the Tsunami (I love to rock climb)... I know what you mean about ANY western food over there... Thai food is AWSOME & I still love it, but... I remember finding a place in Krabi that served pastrami & swiss cheese on REAL rye bread AND!!! They had an espresso machine!!!! after 3 months of Pad Thai,Green Curry & instant coffee... I was in HEAVEN. All my kittys have had wine names (Excepting childhood pets) I lost the first cat I was servant to as an adult in July, his name was La-Feet... For those without wine savvy that's a play on Chateau Lafite. To ALL: If you ever find yourself in Nelson BC, Canada... Come to Louie's Steakhouse & Lounge... Your first martini is on me. And, for any Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy fans out there... we've just today, added our version of the 'Pangalactic Gargleblaster' to our martini list. Zaphod would be proud. Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas "Mathew Kagis" <winesnob@telus.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: What Do you do? A Poll: > To ALL: If you ever find yourself in Nelson BC, Canada... Come to Louie's >Steakhouse & Lounge... Your first martini is on me. And, for any >Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy fans out there... we've just today, added >our version of the 'Pangalactic Gargleblaster' to our martini list. Zaphod >would be proud. Is there a no-alcohol option? :-) Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL "Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote in message > Is there a no-alcohol option? :-) Zaphod Beeblebrox would hang both his heads & weep.... > :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL SignatureMathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas >"Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote in >message >> >> Is there a no-alcohol option? :-) > >Zaphod Beeblebrox would hang both his heads & weep.... OK, I'll bite-- what is *in* a RL version PanGalactic Gargleblaster? Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > OK, I'll bite-- what is *in* a RL version PanGalactic Gargleblaster? 'The effect of drinking a Pangalactic Gargleblaster is like having your brains smashed out with a slice of lemon, wrapped 'round a large gold brick" - Douglas Adams OK, our recipie is: El Jimador tequila, Absinthe & Goldshlager (gotta represent the gold brick somehow) Shaken on Ice, served in a Martini glass & garnished (of course) with a slice of lemon. Limit, 2 per customer...;-) SignatureMathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas >> OK, I'll bite-- what is *in* a RL version PanGalactic Gargleblaster? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > glass & garnished (of course) with a slice of lemon. Limit, 2 per > customer...;-) Absinthe is legal?! Jill > Absinthe is legal?! > > Jill It is in Canada... t's a slightly more sterilized version than Van Gogh was drinking when he cut off his ear... But it still packs a punch. SignatureMathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas > > Absinthe is legal?! > > > > Jill Hi Jill, Apparently it is legal in New York State, in the US also. I found a site that sells it, and they are in Albany. (http://www.absinth.com/ ) Huh. (Wondering if that is where they got the saying "Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder." (?) <G> ) Patti >>> Absinthe is legal?! >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Patti LOL I think I'll pass given the prices. I can live without the "Green Farie" in my life. But I do wonder if the weird slotted spoon I inherited from my Scottish grandmother from the turn of the last century might not be an Absinthe spoon. Hmmm. Jill Jill >> > Absinthe is legal?! >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Apparently it is legal in New York State, in the US also. I found a site >that sells it, and they are in Albany. (http://www.absinth.com/ ) Huh. One Pernod please! <hic> Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com But stay away from the Gynan Tonix. Otherwise, you'll definitely need that little bag of salted peants. The Vogons cooks are great at picking up on the sub etha space transponder, but the hyperspacial jump will really bounce your brain off the back of your head. You might even see yellow. Hey, yellow, oh, gee, bulldozers. Don't remind me. I read the book in 1983, account of the reccomendations of my college roomie. Who was a hoopy frood. SignatureChristopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com > OK, I'll bite-- what is *in* a RL version PanGalactic Gargleblaster? 'The effect of drinking a Pangalactic Gargleblaster is like having your brains smashed out with a slice of lemon, wrapped 'round a large gold brick" - Douglas Adams OK, our recipie is: El Jimador tequila, Absinthe & Goldshlager (gotta represent the gold brick somehow) Shaken on Ice, served in a Martini glass & garnished (of course) with a slice of lemon. Limit, 2 per customer...;-) SignatureMathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas > > OK, I'll bite-- what is *in* a RL version PanGalactic Gargleblaster? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > represent the gold brick somehow) Shaken on Ice, served in a Martini glass > & garnished (of course) with a slice of lemon. Limit, 2 per customer...;-) *whoo-ee*! (What is Goldshlager?) Deb. Signaturehttp://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield >>> OK, I'll bite-- what is *in* a RL version PanGalactic Gargleblaster? >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Deb. It's like clear cinnamon schnapps with flakes of 18 karat gold in it. Very potent stuff. Jill > It's like clear cinnamon schnapps with flakes of 18 karat gold in it. Very > potent stuff. Goodness!! :-) Deb. Signaturehttp://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield >> *whoo-ee*! (What is Goldshlager?) >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jill Smells great, tastes awful. IMHO. Oooh! But that does remind me of a great story! My parents, who had retired to North Carolina, were visiting the DC area, where my brother and I both live. My parents' best friends also still lived in DC. We all got together for a local Oktoberfest, where pitchers of beer were heartily consumed. I don't think anyone got drunk, but when we decided to head back to our friends' place, for some reason I prevailed upon dad to ride with me. I had to drop by the apartment to let Puma (RB) out. Does anyone else have a dad who always, always knows better and can't be told anything? We got to the apartment, where I had bottles of various liquors arranged on the kitchen counter. Dad says, "Boy, my stomach's feeling a little unsettled." His gaze travels across the lineup and comes to rest on the Goldschlager. "Some of that stuff will fix me up; get me a shot glass!" Um. "Dad, um, I really don't think-" "Hey! I know what I'm doing! Hand me that glass!" Okay. Far be it from me ... Dad poured himself a shot, drank it down, and then the strangest expression appeared on his face. "Bleccch! What IS that stuff?" "I tried to tell you, dad. It's Goldschlager. Cinnamon-flavored liquor." He thought it would be something like jagermeister, I guess, an aid to digestion. Why he thought that, I still have no earthly idea. But I'll never forget the look on his face. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* "Mathew Kagis" <winesnob@telus.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: What Do you do? A Poll: >> Is there a no-alcohol option? :-) >Zaphod Beeblebrox would hang both his heads & weep.... I wasn't talking about any specific beverage, just wondering if any no-alcohol beverages were on the menu. ;-) Signature"The universe is quite robust in design and appears to be doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding. :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL > "Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote in > message > >>Is there a no-alcohol option? :-) > > Zaphod Beeblebrox would hang both his heads & weep.... Yes, but some of us cannot have alcohol. I was offered a virgin Strawberry/banana daiquiri at Chili's the other day. I was flattered, but turned it down. Mike, however, loved the alcoholic one he got. I'm hoping that he didn't inherit the alcoholism gene from me. Pam S. alcoholic and diabetic >> "Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote >> in message [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Pam S. alcoholic and diabetic Virgin daquiri's are quite good - well, the sugar might not sit well with your diabetes. Jill > >> "Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spammers.drop.dead@impulse.net> wrote > >> in message [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Virgin daquiri's are quite good - well, the sugar might not sit well with > your diabetes. I like Virgin Mary's *more* than Bloody Marys, really can't taste much of a difference between a non-alcoholic margarita and one with alcohol. In fact, I really don't a fig abouu alcojol in any liquer - it is *honestly* all about taste. Wine is different, non-alocholic wine tastes bloody aweful. Yowie > I like Virgin Mary's *more* than Bloody Marys, really can't taste much of a > difference between a non-alcoholic margarita and one with alcohol. In fact, What on earth do they make non-alcoholic margaritas with? My margarita recipe follows: 1 part freshly squeezed lime juice 2 parts cointreau 3 parts good tequila Shake and serve with ice on frosted glass. If people have a sweet tooth they can add some simple syrup to taste. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > > I like Virgin Mary's *more* than Bloody Marys, really can't taste much of a > > difference between a non-alcoholic margarita and one with alcohol. In fact, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Shake and serve with ice on frosted glass. If people have a sweet tooth > they can add some simple syrup to taste. I agree with the fresh lime juice (NO ROSES LIME JUICE!) but love a rich, gold margarita: 2 parts Grand Marnier 3 parts Cuervo Gold. (1800 is the best, but is so good, you really ought to drink it straight!) >> Virgin daquiri's are quite good - well, the sugar might not sit well with >> your diabetes. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I really don't a fig abouu alcojol in any liquer - it is *honestly* all > about taste. Yup, I hear ya. I generally prefer virgin daquiris to the "fully leaded" variety. I make myself kahlua and milk, but I never add the vodka -- the taste is just too strong for me. I've been tipsy, but never falling down drunk. I just don't drink alcohol fast enough for that. Can't say that I feel I'm poorer for the experience =P > Wine is different, non-alocholic wine tastes bloody aweful. I don't care for wine. No matter how good it is, it tastes like vinegar to me, especially the red stuff. Then again, I don't care for beer either. I'm slowly getting to the point where I can tolerate both, but it's just not something I'd go out of my way to drink. I'll try a sip of Eric's just to get a taste. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Britta: You live in Thailand?? Where? Yes, I've lived in Thailand for almost 4 years. For the first 6 months we were in Songkhla, which is in the very south on the east coast. Near Hat Yai. But for the last 3.5 years, we've been in a small town called Ban Chang in the province of Rayong. It's about 45 min east of the cesspool that is known as Pattaya. >I spent a winter there about 10 > years ago... 2 month of it in areas that are now recovering from the Tsunami [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > They had an espresso machine!!!! after 3 months of Pad Thai,Green Curry & > instant coffee... I was in HEAVEN. Yeah, I know what you mean. But you would be surprised at how much Thailand has changed since you were here. I'm guessing that you were rock climbing at Raylay Beach in Krabi near Au Nang? I've been there 5 times. During that time it's grown incredibly. There is now a McDonald's, dozens of ATM's, 7/11's, Italian pizza restaurants, etc... I know Starbucks will be next. It is quite easy to get western foods here now. But since my town is quite small, there isn't that much here yet. And I'm a health nut so I usually cook my own food and only go out to restaurants for social occasions. >All my kittys have had wine names > (Excepting childhood pets) I lost the first cat I was servant to as an > adult in July, his name was La-Feet... For those without wine savvy that's a > play on Chateau Lafite. I like the idea of naming cats after wines. If I hadn't already decided a long time ago to name my next kitty Renfield, I would definitely call him Gewurtztraminer ;-) > To ALL: If you ever find yourself in Nelson BC, Canada... Come to Louie's > Steakhouse & Lounge... Your first martini is on me. Oh cool, you're in Nelson? I love that town. I went to college in Castlegar for 2 years. 1990-1992. I was in the aviation program at Selkirk. We used to go to Nelson to party all the time. I don't remember Louie's Steakhouse & Lounge, but if it was around back then I couldn't have afforded it anyway. -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album > > Britta: You live in Thailand?? Where? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > small town called Ban Chang in the province of Rayong. It's about 45 > min east of the cesspool that is known as Pattaya. I was in Songkhla, doing the: 30 sec in Malaysia to re-up my Thai visa thing... I never went to Pattaya, mostly becaus I heard it was a cesspool. Mostly known for sex tourism, which was not my cup 'o tea. > Yeah, I know what you mean. But you would be surprised at how much > Thailand has changed since you were here. I'm guessing that you were > rock climbing at Raylay Beach in Krabi near Au Nang? I've been there > 5 times. During that time it's grown incredibly. There is now a > McDonald's, dozens of ATM's, 7/11's, Italian pizza restaurants, etc... > I know Starbucks will be next. I indeed spent about 2 months at Raylay. I'm sure it's changed alot... I remember Krabi as a Nelson sized town, with no 'western' franchise spots. Right now, I'm sure it's a big mud pit, recovering from the Tsunami. I was disgusted when I saw a Pizza Hut in Chiang Mai, but all those beautifull Wats made up for it.. You kinda expect that stuff in Bangkok... I remember being gratefull for the 7/11 in the Kao San Rd area... Only spot with air conditioning... > I like the idea of naming cats after wines. If I hadn't already > decided a long time ago to name my next kitty Renfield, I would > definitely call him Gewurtztraminer ;-) LOL... When I adopted Muscat, there was a little mottled grey kitten who almost ca |
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