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Yowie - 13 Jan 2005 22:40 GMT
Have you considered Australia?

According to the latest news, our unemployment rate is the lowest its been
since 1973 and we are suffering from an acute skills shortage which goes all
the way up the management tree - we are even short of executives.

I know many of you can barely afford the rent, let alone packing up and
moving here, but depending on what your skills actually are, there may well
be jobs that will subsidise or even cover your relocation costs. I would
imagine that the cost of living is probably equivalent or cheaper here than
many of the places in the USA, especially if you find work outside Sydney or
Melbourne.

Your masters can also come into Australia after vet checks and a period in
quarantine.

www.seek.com.au
www.careerone.com.au
www.monster.com.au
www.mycareer.com.au
www.jobsearch.gov.au
http://employment.byron.com.au/agencies/ (list of recruitment agencies by
state)

Hope that helps in some small way,

Yowie
Bev - 13 Jan 2005 22:45 GMT
> Have you considered Australia?
>
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>
> Yowie

New Zealand unemployment is at its lowest ever too.  Sorry I don't have
any sites to give but I'm sure a search would unearth a few.   We are
suffering from acute skills shortage as well.   We are clean, green and
also a nice place for your masters to live.

Bev
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Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Jan 2005 22:55 GMT
> New Zealand unemployment is at its lowest ever too.  Sorry I don't have any
> sites to give but I'm sure a search would unearth a few.   We are suffering
> from acute skills shortage as well.   We are clean, green and also a nice
> place for your masters to live.
>
> Bev

Hrmmmm.  There's good mountain biking there, too, right?

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Marie Lawrence - 14 Jan 2005 01:56 GMT
My son  is working in NZ on a 2 year contract,  he is in IT customer
support.  He is a keen mountain biker and has joined a club in Wellington .
It is very hilly there.
                                                                           
                             Marie  in OZ

>> New Zealand unemployment is at its lowest ever too.  Sorry I don't have
>> any
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>
> Hrmmmm.  There's good mountain biking there, too, right?
Dan M - 13 Jan 2005 22:57 GMT
> New Zealand unemployment is at its lowest ever too.  Sorry I don't have
> any sites to give but I'm sure a search would unearth a few.   We are
> suffering from acute skills shortage as well.   We are clean, green and
> also a nice place for your masters to live.
>
> Bev

Unfortunately (fortunately for New Zealanders) New Zealand's immigration
policies are very stringent. I've long thought that I'd like to work in
New Zealand, but it's very unlikely that I'll ever be able to get
clearance to immigrate there.

Dan
Victor Martinez - 13 Jan 2005 22:58 GMT
> Your masters can also come into Australia after vet checks and a period in
> quarantine.

That would be enough reason to prevent me from going there... :)
Do they have a quarantine in New Zealand?

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Yowie - 14 Jan 2005 00:37 GMT
> > Your masters can also come into Australia after vet checks and a period in
> > quarantine.
>
> That would be enough reason to prevent me from going there... :)
> Do they have a quarantine in New Zealand?

I'd imagine so. Both NZ and Oz are rabies free - and lots of other diseases
free because of our geographic isolation from the rest of the world.

Yowie
Helen Miles - 14 Jan 2005 00:51 GMT

> That would be enough reason to prevent me from going there... :)
> Do they have a quarantine in New Zealand?

Providing you did all the paperwork 6 months in advance, Australia is
signatory to the Pet Passport scheme. :) They'd be able to fly in with
passports.

HRFL Tiger is an expert - he's happy to advise! :)

Helen M
badwilson - 14 Jan 2005 03:30 GMT
> > That would be enough reason to prevent me from going there... :)
> > Do they have a quarantine in New Zealand?
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>
> HRFL Tiger is an expert - he's happy to advise! :)

I'm going to need HRFL Tiger's advice soon.  If all goes well with our
visa, we will be moving in a little over a year.  I'll ping you when
the time comes :-)
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covered in fur!
Check out pictures of Vino at:
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Helen Miles - 14 Jan 2005 12:19 GMT
> I'm going to need HRFL Tiger's advice soon.  If all goes well with our
> visa, we will be moving in a little over a year.  I'll ping you when
> the time comes :-)
> --
> Britta

Britta, be aware that Thailand is not in the passport for Pets Scheme.
:o( Vino will have to go via Canada for 6 months to qualify - that's how
I got my guys out of Belize and qualified to come into the UK on pet
passport scheme. They flew up to the USA, stayed there for over 6 months
without leaving, and then flew home.

But sure, as soon as you want info, yell. HRFL Tiger loves to tell
everyone what a seasoned traveller he is! ;)

Helen M
badwilson - 15 Jan 2005 02:08 GMT
> > I'm going to need HRFL Tiger's advice soon.  If all goes well with our
> > visa, we will be moving in a little over a year.  I'll ping you when
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> But sure, as soon as you want info, yell. HRFL Tiger loves to tell
> everyone what a seasoned traveller he is! ;)

Yes, I am aware of that.  He can also go via Malaysia.  We already
have plans and backup plans for how to do it ;-)
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Britta
Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's
covered in fur!
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
jmcquown - 14 Jan 2005 00:22 GMT
> Have you considered Australia?
>
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>
> Yowie

You don't know how much I wish I could!  John and I were speculating where
we'd like to live (no, it's not Florida).  He can paint anywhere ;)  And
I've always wanted to live in a place where parrots fly around to backyard
feeders :)

Jill
Jo Firey - 14 Jan 2005 00:22 GMT
Yowie, it is entirely unfair to post this in mid-January when the Northern
Hemisphere is in the midst of glum to freezing cold weather etc.

(I'd consider Australia right now and I don't need a job.  We are in the
middle of the either fog or rain season.)

I swear the only thing stopping me is the length of the flight.

Jo
> Have you considered Australia?
>
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>
> Yowie
Marie Lawrence - 14 Jan 2005 02:10 GMT
I can't believe the length of the flight would stop you from coming to
Australia to work.!  Of course Australians accept that we must take long
flights to get overseas,  but surely it is not too much to endure for
security and good wages.  I have been reading all the posts about job losses
and the problems with Social  Security in USA,  it is much better here.
                                                                           
                     Marie  in  OZ

> Yowie, it is entirely unfair to post this in mid-January when the Northern
> Hemisphere is in the midst of glum to freezing cold weather etc.
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>>
>> Yowie
Jo Firey - 14 Jan 2005 02:45 GMT
>I can't believe the length of the flight would stop you from coming to
>Australia to work.!  Of course Australians accept that we must take long
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>
> Marie  in  OZ

That's just it.  I'm retired.  Don't need a job.  And while the long flight
sounds like a wimps excuse, it is one reason I hated living in Alaska and
could not live in Hawaii.  I just could not be that far from my loved ones.

Jo
Monique Y. Mudama - 19 Jan 2005 23:03 GMT
>>I can't believe the length of the flight would stop you from coming to
>>Australia to work.!  Of course Australians accept that we must take long
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>
> Jo

I dunno.  I have knee problems (specifically misaligned kneecaps, along with
arthritis and probably a few other things thrown into the mix).  A three hour
plane flight is painful.  The eight hour flight to Germany is torture, even
though I get up and stretch as often as possible.  I can imagine that the
flight to Australia would literally reduce me to tears.

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Iceman - 14 Jan 2005 05:32 GMT
> I can't believe the length of the flight would stop you from coming to
> Australia to work.!  Of course Australians accept that we must take long
> flights to get overseas,  but surely it is not too much to endure for

> security and good wages.  I have been reading all the posts about job losses
> and the problems with Social  Security in USA,  it is much better here.

>                       Marie  in  OZ

Well, it doesn't *look* much different.  December unemployment rates
were 5.1% for Australia and 5.4% for the US; a difference that doesn't
look like it would be worthwhile to move to Australia on a wing and a
prayer. And the same arguments about the unemployment rate being
inaccurate are made in Australia as in the US (umemployment being
underreported; lots of people working part time being counted as
employed, jobs that people are working pay low wages, etc.), so who
knows.  Of course, if you *knew* you could get a job in your field
there, it might be worthwhile; but of course you have to be let in
first, which is itself partially dependent upon whether your skills are
in demand.

Interesting to note Australia's 5.1% is a low for Australia since the
late 70's; it's been lower than that in the US fairly recently (late
90's-2000).

Lots of factors impact on whether moving there would be a good idea.
At if you're from the US you don't have to learn a new language; only a
new dialect.  :-)

> > Yowie, it is entirely unfair to post this in mid-January when the Northern
> > Hemisphere is in the midst of glum to freezing cold weather etc.
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> >>
> >> Yowie
Jeanne Hedge - 14 Jan 2005 14:16 GMT
>Well, it doesn't *look* much different.  December unemployment rates
>were 5.1% for Australia and 5.4% for the US; a difference that doesn't
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>employed, jobs that people are working pay low wages, etc.), so who
>knows.

I know that while I was getting unemployment benefits I was being
counted in the statistics as being unemployed. When the benefits ran
out, I was no longer counted as unemployed in the statistics, even
though I still didn't have a job, because I was no longer getting
unemployment benefits.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
  - Benjamin Disraeli, as reported by Mark Twain

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Tish Silberbauer - 14 Jan 2005 04:31 GMT
It is over 40C here where I live on the outskirts of Sydney - cold is
uncomfortable, but at least you can rug up!  Today is so bloody hot
that there is nowhere to hide!

Admittedly, though, such days are relatively uncommon in Sydney.

Tish

>Yowie, it is entirely unfair to post this in mid-January when the Northern
>Hemisphere is in the midst of glum to freezing cold weather etc.
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>
>Jo
Margaret Fine - 14 Jan 2005 02:08 GMT
> Have you considered Australia?
>
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>
> Yowie

When I fill out all of the paper work may I write in "Yowie invited me"
when I get to the section that asks why I want to come?   :-)

Actually we are very fortunate that we don't have job woes like so many
others but I have always wanted to visit both Oz and NZ and probably
will one day when I don't have a older dog I can't leave.

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badwilson - 14 Jan 2005 03:28 GMT
It is very difficult to get into Australia.  Believe me, I know.
We're in the process of getting our visa right now.  It is not fun.
And it's expensive.  The application itself is $1800.  That's if you
do it all yourself.  But the chances of getting in that way are almost
zero.  You have to hire a migration consultancy to handle it for you
and they charge $3600.  Then you have to pay for medicals (hundreds of
dollars), police clearances, notarization of all your documents,
courier fees, etc.
Mind you, if a company decided they really, really want you, they
might pay for that stuff and sponsor you.  But it still takes over a
year of BS.
Also, it's very difficult if you are over 40.  They have a point
system and you lose a lot of points if you're over 40.  Dennis is 37
and he's already lost 5 points because he's over 35.  So now we have
to put $100,000 in the bank for a year to make up for those points.
Good thing we've been saving for 9 years and sold our condo in
Vancouver for a profit.
I think Canada is much easier to get into.  And I hear they have a
shortage of strippers and it's really easy to get in right now if you
are one.  Anyone interested in stripping in the Great White North???
;-)
--
Britta
Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's
covered in fur!
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album

> Have you considered Australia?
>
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>
> Yowie
jmcquown - 14 Jan 2005 19:13 GMT
> I think Canada is much easier to get into.  And I hear they have a
> shortage of strippers and it's really easy to get in right now if you
> are one.  Anyone interested in stripping in the Great White North???
> ;-)

LOL are they interested in very cold 40-something strippers?  heheh

Jill
Yowie - 14 Jan 2005 22:08 GMT
Bugger - I didn't know it was that difficult. How ridiculous, when so many
people on the radio and TV are crying out for skilled labour, and the PM is
desperately trying to get people to have more than the 1.4 babies per family
because we'll have a population crisis in 20 years if we don't keep the
population balanced.

Bring people in, I say!

Yowie

> It is very difficult to get into Australia.  Believe me, I know.
> We're in the process of getting our visa right now.  It is not fun.
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> >
> > Yowie
badwilson - 15 Jan 2005 02:17 GMT
Yeah, I totally agree.  When we were there in July we heard a lot of
stuff on TV about how they are paying people some kind of baby bonus
for having more kids.  And at the same time they are making it so
difficult for us to live there.  I really don't get it.  Dennis
already has a job in a Canadian company, he wouldn't even be taking
away any work from Australians.  He makes great money and I'd only
want to work part time.  We have money and we want to build a nice
house, spending money on the local economy.
Instead, they are now making me take an all day English exam.  Ok, so
I was born in Germany and moved to Canada when I was 10.  But I really
think that 22 years is enough time to learn English properly.
Especially since I graduated from a Canadian high school and have
diplomas from 2 different Canadian colleges!!!  I have one hour
testing on each of reading, writing, listening and speaking.  It's
totally ridiculous!  And I have to pay almost $200 for the honour :-(
--
Britta
Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's
covered in fur!
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album

> Bugger - I didn't know it was that difficult. How ridiculous, when so many
> people on the radio and TV are crying out for skilled labour, and the PM is
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> > >
> > > Yowie
Cheryl Perkins - 14 Jan 2005 22:19 GMT
> I think Canada is much easier to get into.  And I hear they have a
> shortage of strippers and it's really easy to get in right now if you
> are one.  Anyone interested in stripping in the Great White North???
> ;-)

No, no, no; the minister who was involved in that visas for strippers
thing, and who had a stripper working on her campaign, has just resigned
over accusations she reneged on some kind of visas for pizzas agreement!
And even before that, her Ministry apparently decided that the special
list of occupations that desperately need workers no longer has
'stripping' on it; therefore, no more easy access for strippers.

I think you can still get in as a farm worker, but that program only
allows temporary residence. And the nanny program restricts you to the
sponsoring employer, at least initially. A lot of the professions are
being criticized for not allowing immigrants to work unless they
re-train. Well, there's still that business class immigrant - isn't there
something about how you can immigrate fairly easy if you bring a lot of
money and start a business that hires Canadians?

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