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jmcquown - 13 Jan 2005 00:20 GMT
Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.  Don't
get me wrong, I love my father dearly.

However, mine has just informed me no way in HELL will he help me pay my
bills.  Said he's done far enough for me and that's the end of it and I
should get a job as a greeter at WalMart or something if that's what it
takes.  He blames me for losing my job, even though I worked there for 11
years.  He has no idea about working in the corporate world; he's retired
military.  (He worked one civilian job after that as Director of Security at
a college, where he was pretty much allowed to act like the retired officer
he is.)

He wants me to sell all my furniture and move in with my brother.  My
brother has a house - and the room I'd move into actually contains bedroom
furniture *I* gave to him when he had none.  Dad said sell your couch, sell
your tables, sell everything but your cookware (don't ask why he thinks I
should keep that and nothing else) and your clothes and get your a** over
there.  Oh, and when I get back on my feet, then what?  Then I have no
furniture and what... like a college kid have to start all over again?  It
took me *years* to acquire 5 rooms worth of furniture!

Assuming I wanted for a single moment to move in with my brother... there is
the matter of my lease.  My apartment manager graciously waived a rent
increase and eliminated the monthly pet fee for Persia in light of my
circumstances.  But if I break the lease without being transferred by a job
outside of this area, I incur an automatic $700 plus a $420 "re-decorating"
fee.  No offer of help with that, just the suggestion I work a couple of
jobs at the same time because he's not lifting a finger to help me.  This
from the guy who thought I could sell a stupid book on eBay for $30K.  Now I
have to pay the friggin listing fees and no, I didn't ask $30,000 for it LOL

Dad blames me for having a bitch of a manager I didn't get along with who
finally found a way to get rid of me.  Says I played into office politics so
it's my fault.  He's angry because I was "galavanting all over the place
with that guy John".  That "galavanting" paid my bills for most of 2004.

I'm sitting here crying.  I'm going to hug my kitty now.

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Jan 2005 00:35 GMT
> Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.  Don't
> get me wrong, I love my father dearly.

That's why it hurts so much when they say mean things =/

As near as I can tell, most fathers simply live in a different world.  My dad
went from being in the military to working for the government, and mom would
frequently try to remind him that he couldn't run his family the way he ran
his office at work.  Often he irritably disagreed with her.  I love my
parents, but I'm sooo glad to be out of the house =)

You're in a really tight spot, and it sounds like your dad just doesn't get
it.  Even if it *were* your fault that you were fired, what good does it do to
focus on that?  It's irrelevant now.  

*hug* It'll all work out.  It will.  Just keep trying, and if you can, just
don't let your dad talk to you this way.  If you're talking to him and he
starts up the same old spiel, tell him that you're busy and you have to go
now.  Train him with timeouts, just as you would a cat.  Spray bottle optional
=P

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jmcquown - 13 Jan 2005 01:27 GMT
>> Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.
>> Don't get me wrong, I love my father dearly.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> and you have to go now.  Train him with timeouts, just as you would a
> cat.  Spray bottle optional =P

LOL!  Thanks, Monique.  My "real" father apparently lives in a parallel
universe... after making me cry he just had my mom call to ask me the name
of my bank.  She said "You know how he is, he sits and stews about things."
Yeah, like he thought I could get $30,000 for a book.  She laughed and took
down my bank info.

Tomorrow I'll go sign up with some temp agencies.

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Jan 2005 02:27 GMT
> LOL!  Thanks, Monique.  My "real" father apparently lives in a parallel
> universe... after making me cry he just had my mom call to ask me the name
> of my bank.  She said "You know how he is, he sits and stews about things."
> Yeah, like he thought I could get $30,000 for a book.  She laughed and took
> down my bank info.

Well, good luck with the bank thing!  Maybe he just needed some time, and
probably some prodding from your mom.

> Tomorrow I'll go sign up with some temp agencies.

Sound good!

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jmcquown - 13 Jan 2005 10:56 GMT
>> Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.
>> Don't get me wrong, I love my father dearly.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> doesn't get it.  Even if it *were* your fault that you were fired,
> what good does it do to focus on that?  It's irrelevant now.

That's an excellent point, even though I don't feel it was my fault.  But
then, who ever does?  Maybe after 11 years of working my a.s off for them,
this new manager knew better.  Dad says I played into the office politics;
the fact is I refused to play that game which was probably my downfall.  I
don't kiss anyone's a.s.

> *hug* It'll all work out.  It will.  Just keep trying, and if you
> can, just don't let your dad talk to you this way.  If you're talking
> to him and he starts up the same old spiel, tell him that you're busy
> and you have to go now.

My long-lost, John, said the same thing.  Dad started this crap right after
I lost my job and stopped speaking to me when he found out I went on a trip
with John when I should have been (in his estimation) pounding the pavement,
even though I was paid for working on the trip.  John told me when Dad
started his spiel to simply repeat over and over "I love you" until he shut
up.  I did and it shut him up... for a while.

 Train him with timeouts, just as you would a
> cat.  Spray bottle optional =P

LOL!  Wish I could squirt him!  Just yesterday morning he was telling me to
keep the cat and bird safe and warm, then last night he went off on a
tangent about my situation.  I honestly wonder if he's really 'all there'.
He's 80 years old.  I think Mom is wondering, too.

Jill
Sandra - 13 Jan 2005 13:48 GMT
I feel for you in your situation. I hope things start to improve on the job
front soon. Regards your dad, it may be that he is suffering from age
related mental health problems, so maybe it is not all his fault that he has
been giving you a hard time.

After 20 years of not being able to see or contact my Dad, I now have to
watch him suffering from Parkinsons and Dementia and it isn't easy.
Sometimes he talks sense,but most of the time he is in a world of his own
and talks nonsense.

Purrrs from Memphis and Phoenix
jmcquown - 13 Jan 2005 17:48 GMT
> I feel for you in your situation. I hope things start to improve on
> the job front soon. Regards your dad, it may be that he is suffering
> from age related mental health problems, so maybe it is not all his
> fault that he has been giving you a hard time.

Thank you.  He just called and is acting like he never blew up at me.  Said
he's making a pot of his navy bean soup with the ham bone from the New
Year's ham.  I mentioned I'm making a chuck roast and he exclaimed "Oh,
that's good!  I love stringy meat! and it makes good gravy, too!"  It's like
the anger from yesterday (or last year) never happened.  Go figure.

> After 20 years of not being able to see or contact my Dad, I now have
> to watch him suffering from Parkinsons and Dementia and it isn't easy.

I'm so sorry to hear that.  I have an uncle with Parkinson's.

> Sometimes he talks sense,but most of the time he is in a world of his
> own and talks nonsense.

Well, Dad talks sense (except when it comes to his military 'treasures') but
he gets so angry at times.  It's really not like I could help losing my job.
He couldn't exactly get fired as an officer from the military unless he did
something to warrant a court martial.  Has no idea what it's like in that
other (our) world.

> Purrrs from Memphis and Phoenix

Thanks; they are lovely cats!

Jill
Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Jan 2005 20:29 GMT
>> I feel for you in your situation. I hope things start to improve on the job
>> front soon. Regards your dad, it may be that he is suffering from age
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> that's good!  I love stringy meat! and it makes good gravy, too!"  It's like
> the anger from yesterday (or last year) never happened.  Go figure.

Jill, is this kind of complete about-face typical for your dad, or is it a new
thing?  I really do wonder if he's having a health issue and should see a
doctor.

On the other hand, my high school bf's dad was kind of like that.  Would blow
up and say just the nastiest things, then a little while later act like
nothing had happened.  It was downright scary to me.  I just figured that he
had no self-control and little understanding of what's appropriate.

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Cheryl Perkins - 13 Jan 2005 21:01 GMT
> Jill, is this kind of complete about-face typical for your dad, or is it a new
> thing?  I really do wonder if he's having a health issue and should see a
> doctor.

> On the other hand, my high school bf's dad was kind of like that.  Would blow
> up and say just the nastiest things, then a little while later act like
> nothing had happened.  It was downright scary to me.  I just figured that he
> had no self-control and little understanding of what's appropriate.

With some people, it's just a matter of temperament. Some people are more
volatile than others. If you really want miscommunication and hurt
feelings, combine a 'speak my mind and then forget it' type in the same
family or office as a 'thinks before speaking but rarely forgets' type.
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badwilson - 14 Jan 2005 02:26 GMT
> >> I feel for you in your situation. I hope things start to improve on the job
> >> front soon. Regards your dad, it may be that he is suffering from age
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> nothing had happened.  It was downright scary to me.  I just figured that he
> had no self-control and little understanding of what's appropriate.

My dad can be like that.  He's always been that way but I think it's
getting worse as he gets older.  I also used to have a boss like that.
He'd fire us all the time and then wonder what was going on when
nobody showed up for work the next day.  Eventually we learned to just
ignore the firings and hide from him in the oil shed when he would go
walking around.  Shudder.  Awful days.
--
Britta
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covered in fur!
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Julie Cook - 13 Jan 2005 21:38 GMT
> Thank you.  He just called and is acting like he never blew up at me.  

Jill,

I wonder if your father's reactions are frustration from an inability to
control the situation.  You said he was a Marine officer so that he's
used to having control.  He can't control your situation so he gets
frustrated.  Perhaps later he realizes how he reacted and tries to
ignore it.  It doesn't make it any easier for you to have to deal with
but maybe it would help if that's the problem and you understand.

Hugs and purrs for you in any case.
Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey and Sam
jmcquown - 13 Jan 2005 23:49 GMT
>> Thank you.  He just called and is acting like he never blew up at me.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Hugs and purrs for you in any case.
> Julie, Hobbes, Selena, Lacey and Sam

Thank you!  Yes, he's been this way pretty much all along.  And believe it
or not, he's mellowed quite a bit in the last 20 years!  So yes, I do
understand, but he still has the ability to hurt my feelings.

I'm his youngest child and his only daughter.  And I didn't fit the mould of
getting married to Mr. Perfect and having 2.3 kids.  Then again, he tends to
treat me like one of his sons.  But I'll bet he never read my brother Scott
the riot act for all the women he's dated over the years the way he did me
about my boyfriends.  Oh well :)  I may be broke and unemployed but I'm
happy for the first time in a long time - how perverse is that? LOL

Jill
Karen Chuplis - 13 Jan 2005 01:41 GMT
> Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.  Don't
> get me wrong, I love my father dearly.
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Jill

Aww Jill. I know it seems mean, but usually that just means they are really
worried. I think that is his version of "tough love".  I sure hope things
get better soon and I hope you can find something that is just spectacular.
Lucy's Mom - 13 Jan 2005 01:52 GMT
{{{{{Jill}}}}},

Sounds like your dad and mine would get along fine.....Mine always had
a way to make me cry.....don't miss him a bit but that's another
story......

Anyhow, you just do whatever you need to do to keep yourself and
Persia safe and sane and don't worry about him, ok?

Purrs coming your way...
--Kim and Lucy
jmcquown - 13 Jan 2005 10:15 GMT
> {{{{{Jill}}}}},
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Purrs coming your way...
> --Kim and Lucy

Thank you.  He's just stubborn as hell.  Two weeks ago he sent me a book
which he said not to accept less than $30,000 for (yeah, right) and had me
list it on eBay.  I set the starting bid at $1000 with a reserve of $2000.
Think anyone bid on it?  Of course not.  But he said "Just trying to get you
wealthy, kid."  I'm not a "kid".  Then yesterday it was, "no way in Hell am
I gonna help you."  He goes from one weird extreme to another.  Mom did call
to ask for my bank information so they can wire transfer some funds to my
bank for my utility bill, phone bill, like that.  Thank god I don't have
medical bills right now, although I have a feeling I'll wind up with some.
I've been having slight pressure-like chest pains. (sigh)

Persia is well taken care of.  I have enough of her Rx food for about 6
months.  Same goes for my little parrot (lovebird) Peaches.  They are first
and foremost :)

Jill
Cheryl - 13 Jan 2005 02:11 GMT
On Wed 12 Jan 2005 07:20:29p, jmcquown wrote in
rec.pets.cats.anecdotes (news:e5jFd.3073$MP1.174
@bignews1.bellsouth.net):

> I'm sitting here crying.  I'm going to hug my kitty now.

Jill, I'm crying for you now too. This could happen, and does, to
any of us. It is hard times we live in now, you know? I wonder
about my future sometimes. It is rough where I work, and they have
nothing but budgets on their minds, and I live in constant stress
wondering what would happen to me if I lose my job. I have 4
lovable kiutties sending purrs that something comes up for you, and
very soon. I read some of the posts in job hunting/purr request
threads and I wish I had replied, but feeling sorry for myself too,
and it numbed me thinking about it, so sort of paralyzed of
feelings. I was interested in the posts about temp jobs, because
that is how I got my job almost 8 years ago. I was hired to help
build computer systems for a new project starting up for a govmt
contractor. Pfft. Install Windows and apps? I could do it in my
sleep. As luck would have it, the company was growing and needed to
build its Help Desk. So they hired me full time (after some
bickering with the temp agency). Since then, I've negotiated
different positions by talking to the dept heads and telling them I
was bored and wanted more responsibility (plus, in the meantime,
I'd gotten a few industry certifications. Meant something back
then, not sure how they stack up now). It seemed like a good idea
at the time - you don't get anywhere by waiting for them to put you
into a job you want to do - you must be proactive. Or so I kept
thinking. I now have a position that I wouldn't have thought I
wanted, but got it because they wouldn't hire me for SQL DBA (only
limited experience, all gained THERE), so offered a sort of lateral
move because someone was leaving, and I had ZERO experience in that
software, but now, almost 4 years later, I'm still the lead, and
the one who they call "the search engine specialist". All of this
because I put in an app with a technical temp agency.

This rant is to tell you that there is hope. I know things are not
like it was 8 years ago. But I'm about your age, and I wonder
sometimes what the future holds for an aging techie. Temp agencies.
They CAN rawk. :)  Best wishes and a big {{{{{{{{{{{{HUG}}}}}}}}}}}

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KellyH - 13 Jan 2005 15:59 GMT
> This rant is to tell you that there is hope. I know things are not
> like it was 8 years ago. But I'm about your age, and I wonder
> sometimes what the future holds for an aging techie. Temp agencies.
> They CAN rawk. :)  Best wishes and a big {{{{{{{{{{{{HUG}}}}}}}}}}}

Just adding another shout-out for temp agencies.  My brother was unemployed
a few years ago, he's a graphic desinger.  So he signed up with a agency
that would give him temp assignments.  This got him by until he could find a
real job.  A couple months ago, he was at his job, where he was making
decent money and not even looking for another job, and the woman from the
agency called because a company was looking for a graphic designer, and she
thought of him!  This job is awesome, he's making $20K more than he was
before and gets great benefits.

Jill, about your dad problem.  I solved my over-involved, telling me what to
do even though I'm an adult situation with my parents by moving 500 miles
away.  Now they don't know if I went out to dinner last night or bought a
new outfit or used my money in some other frivolous manner.  My parents
bailed me out of a financial mess when I was in my early 20's, and I'm
grateful, but I don't feel as though that gives them some kind of right to
keep tabs on me.  You are an adult, this is your life.  If I were you, I
just wouldn't tell your dad anything about your financial situation.  If he
asks you, just say "fine".  I know you could use their help, but that will
just make him feel more like he has a right to know every detail of your
life.  If you do take the help, pay him back.  I gave my parents small
payments until what they gave me was paid off.  I didn't have to, and they
didn't need the money, but now I don't feel like I owe them anything.

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jmcquown - 14 Jan 2005 15:21 GMT
>> This rant is to tell you that there is hope. I know things are not
>> like it was 8 years ago. But I'm about your age, and I wonder
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> is awesome, he's making $20K more than he was before and gets great
> benefits.

Sounds Great!

> Jill, about your dad problem.  I solved my over-involved, telling me
> what to do even though I'm an adult situation with my parents by
> moving 500 miles away.

Mine already live 700 miles away.  I HAD to ask for some help.  My
unemployment ran out, my savings is down to a couple hundred bucks.  My long
lost love, John, is going to pay my February rent.  But he's dealing with
hospital bills himself.  Of course the utility bill is due, the phone bill
is due (which includes my internet connection, frivilous perhaps but I would
go NUTS without it).  Not to mention little things like oh gee, light bulbs,
toilet paper, "feminine items", stuff you can't do without, you know?  That
stuff adds up fast!

> If you do take the help, pay him back.  I gave my parents small
> payments until what they gave me was paid off.  I didn't have to, and
> they didn't need the money, but now I don't feel like I owe them
> anything.

I'll do my best to pay him back, of course.  And it killed me to have to
ask.  For the better part of a year I haven't had to and it killed me to
make that phone call, believe me.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Jill
Dan M - 13 Jan 2005 02:24 GMT
> I'm sitting here crying.  I'm going to hug my kitty now.
>
> Jill

We will be sending our absolute best purrs your way, and will keep doing so.
Magic Mood Jeep? - 13 Jan 2005 02:34 GMT
> Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.
> Don't get me wrong, I love my father dearly.

<snip>

Wow.  My father is former USAF, and would be *nearing* his eighties were he
still alive.  I certainly hope he wouldn't be like that.  My mother, on the
other hand, I know would help *some*.  My sister, who lives in Florida, lost
her job around Christmas '03, but her hubby is still employed.  However,
they are having domestic diffuclties. Fortunately, they chose to not have
children, as my sister likes to come up to visit Mom once a year (I just
found out that Mom was paying her airfair all these years).  When she called
Mom on Thanksgiving, she menioned a 'one-way ticket', which shocked Mom.
This was the first we had heard ot their domestic problems.  Mom told me,
she's welcome to stay here, but only for a month, then she's on her own.
There *are* jobs out there - ya just gotta scrape the barrel sides to find
them.  And it's worse for Sis: she has absolutely *no* computer skills
whatsoever, her spelling and grammer are attrocious (not to mention her
penmanship isn't that good either), and she has poor dentistry (missing a
front tooth or two, and *refuses* to go to a dentist (bad experiance as a
young child), even though Mom has offered to pay).  She had to have help to
use Wal-Mart's computer-application system.

But that's nothing compared to *your* problem.

Jill, do you mind me asking what field you used to work in?  Just curious.
Also, the company my husband works for (Sabin Corporation, part of the Cook
Group - http://www.cookgroup.com/index.html is always looking for good
reliable help.  You might want to check into it and maybe fax in a resume'.
Of course, you *would* have to relocate, not necessarily to IN as they have
plants in NC, PA, Denmark, Brisbane AUS, Limerick IRE, and another
wholly-owned company in Poway CA.  They also own a lot of other business
here in Bloomington (local antique mall, a B&B, and a property management
comany (who recently built a brownstone that the 'penthouse' (it's only
about a 4-story building) goes for over $2,000/month).  It never hurts to
try.

--?
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lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy
former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at
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jmcquown - 13 Jan 2005 03:01 GMT
>> Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.
>> Don't get me wrong, I love my father dearly.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Jill, do you mind me asking what field you used to work in?  Just
> curious.

I have extensive experience troubleshooting in Unix but not enough to be
considered an Admin in Unix.  QA Testing but it was in a proprietary
application developed for workers comp, liability and disability claims.
Used to be a licensed insurance agent in life, health and AD&D but I've
never worked in a "sales" capacity for insurance.  Usually a third party
claims administration scenario and then software
support/testing/development.

I hate to say it, but I every headhunter I've talked to has said to me, "Oh,
you made over $41K a year?" followed by a great big sigh.  Yeah... and they
can find some college kid who thinks $16K is the thrill of a lifetime.
(sigh)

Also, the company my husband works for (Sabin Corporation,
> part of the Cook Group - http://www.cookgroup.com/index.html is
> always looking for good reliable help.  You might want to check into
> it and maybe fax in a resume'. Of course, you *would* have to
> relocate, not necessarily to IN

I have no problem with IN except for the snow! LOL  Actually, John is still
talking (half seriously) about Napanee.  He'd like to find an old barn to
convert to a home and studio.

as they have plants in NC, PA,
> Denmark, Brisbane AUS, Limerick IRE, and another wholly-owned company
> in Poway CA.  They also own a lot of other business here in
> Bloomington (local antique mall, a B&B, and a property management
> comany (who recently built a brownstone that the 'penthouse' (it's
> only about a 4-story building) goes for over $2,000/month).  It never
> hurts to try.

You're a sweetie, thanks for the suggestions!  And rest assured and assure
Weebs, Persia will always have the uppermost care, as will my lovebird,
Peaches.

Jill
> --?
> The ONE and ONLY
> lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy
> former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at
> nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com
> http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep
Mathew Kagis - 13 Jan 2005 03:20 GMT
<SNIP>

> I'm sitting here crying.  I'm going to hug my kitty now.
>
> Jill

  Jill:  Drag.... Dad's can be like that.... My pop has mellowed over the
years, but I remember a couple of similar instances... Much yelling, a
refusal to help,  Followed by a check... And a grumbling demand about
'timeley' re-payment.... Followed a couple of weeks later, by a 'no need to
pay me back' phonecall.

My Dad was'nt military, he was civil service... Union, job security all that
stuff that our generation has a brutally hard time getting, but our parent's
don't get why it's soo tough.... Still stuck in the 70's, when good jobs
were a dime a dozen & a Batchelor degree got you a GREAT job....

He'll come around...I hope.  Good luck... How's the sleep thing going?
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Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas

jmcquown - 13 Jan 2005 08:42 GMT
> <SNIP>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> He'll come around...I hope.  Good luck... How's the sleep thing going?

Thanks, Mathew.  It's 2:42 AM - whatcha think? <G>

Jill
Mathew Kagis - 13 Jan 2005 08:58 GMT
<SNIP>

> Thanks, Mathew.  It's 2:42 AM - whatcha think? <G>
>
> Jill

It's 12:55 here, & I just got your post...  I'm on west coast time. Did you
read my response in 'Sleep and Other Purrs Needed'?  I listed several othe
herbal sleep aids, as it seems you're developing a tolerance for Valerian.

 Really sorry about your whole financial scene.... Been there, only time in
my life I've had full on panic attacks.   Hope you're managing to avoid
those, If you would like me to re-post the herbal info, lrt me know.  It
would be my pleasure.

Purrs for your stress.
" If a problem can be solved, there is no need to worry. If a problem cannot
be solved, there is no need to worry " -Zen Proverb

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jmcquown - 13 Jan 2005 09:38 GMT
> <SNIP>
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> several othe herbal sleep aids, as it seems you're developing a
> tolerance for Valerian.

I don't think it's so much a tolerance for Valerian as it is just major
stress.  Herbals can only do so much.  I don't remember what you wrote
(other than nutmeg will make you sick to your stomach LOL).

>   Really sorry about your whole financial scene.... Been there, only
> time in my life I've had full on panic attacks.   Hope you're
> managing to avoid those, If you would like me to re-post the herbal
> info, lrt me know.  It would be my pleasure.

Please don't suggest melatonin!  That stuff, even 1/2 a tablet, made me so
groggy the next day I couldn't function.

I take Paxil CR to avoid depression and anxiety (only had a full blown panic
attack once in my life, thank god).

> Purrs for your stress.
> " If a problem can be solved, there is no need to worry. If a problem
> cannot be solved, there is no need to worry " -Zen Proverb

Thank you.

Jill
Sam Nash - 13 Jan 2005 04:44 GMT
> Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.
> Don't
> get me wrong, I love my father dearly.
>
> However, mine has just informed me no way in HELL will he help me pay my
> bills.  <snipped>

My heart goes out to you Jill.  I can't begin to understand, but you have my
purrs and prayers that one of the temp agencies will come up with something
*soon*!
Sam
Krista - 13 Jan 2005 07:01 GMT
We're sending you hugs and purrs, hoping that your dad has a change of
heart *and* that you find a marvelous job. And money falling from the
sky wouldn't hurt.   :-)

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Monique Y. Mudama - 13 Jan 2005 07:12 GMT
> And money falling from the sky wouldn't hurt.   :-)

Ooh, how do I get in on that one?

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Seanette Blaylock - 13 Jan 2005 07:33 GMT
"Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting
things to say about Re: Another OT Venting:

>> And money falling from the sky wouldn't hurt.   :-)
>Ooh, how do I get in on that one?

If you find out, please let me know? :-)

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jmcquown - 13 Jan 2005 08:43 GMT
> "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting
> things to say about Re: Another OT Venting:
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>
> If you find out, please let me know? :-)

Sign me up! ;)

Jill
Kreisleriana - 13 Jan 2005 18:11 GMT
(snip)

Oh dear Jill.  It sounds a lot like what my own dad was like about 20
years ago.  He has grown up since then, I'm happy to say.  My
relationship with him is not perfect, esp. as there's a difficult
de-facto stepmother in the picture.  But it has improved a lot.  I
can't get over how much your story sounds like my own several years
ago.
I hope and pray your dad sees the same light soon that my daddy did--
in the absence of that, we're purring for strength and hope for you.

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Melissa Houle - 13 Jan 2005 19:11 GMT
> Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.  Don't
> get me wrong, I love my father dearly.
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Jill

Hugs, Jill, and I hope something will work out soon with the job situation.
Maintain your independence at all costs!  Unemployment is a pain, but nobody
can make us as nuts as our families.  Stroke Persia, and it should lower
your stress level.

Melissa
Christina Websell - 13 Jan 2005 22:29 GMT
It's surprising how much our parents can hurt us when we've grown up and are
independent. But they still can.
I wonder whether your dad might be in the first stages of mental health
problems due to his age.  It might be so.
Please don't cry, Jill, because of your dad.  It touches me so.
Get rid of the guilt.  I did it a while ago and it feels great.
I have no guilt any more.

Go to the temp agencies and you'll get a job in a week or two, maybe not
your dream job, but you'll have some money coming in.

Don't contact your dad too often on the phone.  He's just going to upset
you.  Write instead, exactly what you want him to know, and no more.
You didn't ask me for advice.  LOL!  I gave you it anyway!  Ah, well, my
keyboard ran away with me..

Tweed

> Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.
> Don't
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>
> Jill
jmcquown - 14 Jan 2005 01:40 GMT
> It's surprising how much our parents can hurt us when we've grown up
> and are independent. But they still can.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Get rid of the guilt.  I did it a while ago and it feels great.
> I have no guilt any more.

Ah, I know... but it took so long for me to get close to him (Mom and I have
always been close but I was in my late 20's, early 30's before I really
talked with my father, despite the fact that he was around, kinda).  But his
scorn is hurtful.

> Go to the temp agencies and you'll get a job in a week or two, maybe
> not your dream job, but you'll have some money coming in.

I know... I should, should, will, will.  I promise.

> Don't contact your dad too often on the phone.  He's just going to
> upset you.  Write instead, exactly what you want him to know, and no
> more.
I should go back to not answering the phone.  Dad won't speak to answering
machines <G>  But since my LLL and I live so far apart I pick up in case
it's him - I don't have caller ID or pay for extra services like that - or a
potential job interview request.

> You didn't ask me for advice.  LOL!  I gave you it anyway!  Ah, well,
> my keyboard ran away with me..
>
> Tweed

LOL I don't mind advice.  It's good advice, thank you.

Jill (hugging her big fat kitty)
Seanette Blaylock - 14 Jan 2005 02:07 GMT
"jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> had some very interesting things
to say about Re: Another OT Venting:

>I should go back to not answering the phone.  Dad won't speak to answering
>machines <G>  But since my LLL and I live so far apart I pick up in case
>it's him - I don't have caller ID or pay for extra services like that - or a
>potential job interview request.

I've never known prospective employers to be bothered by getting the
answering machine. I would assume they think you're out hunting up a
job. :-)

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Dick C - 14 Jan 2005 02:41 GMT
jmcquown wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes

> Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.
> Don't get me wrong, I love my father dearly.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Security at a college, where he was pretty much allowed to act like the
> retired officer he is.)

I feel for you, I lost my good job a year and a half ago, and then managed
to work for 5 months. But have been unemployed for a year, except for
a very spotty part time job. So spotty that I may get 7 hours in a 2 week
period, or 50 hours.  Usually somewhere between 10 to 20 hours.
And I have been going everywhere.

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CATherine - 14 Jan 2005 14:33 GMT
>Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.  Don't
>get me wrong, I love my father dearly.

Sending many hugs and purrs for you. I hope things get better for you
to find a good job. But in the meantime you don't need the added
stress of family who can't and won't understand your position. Purrs,

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CATherine
Adrian - 14 Jan 2005 15:40 GMT
> Forgive me, particularly Bridget who nearly lost her beloved father.
> Don't get me wrong, I love my father dearly.
<snip>
> I'm sitting here crying.  I'm going to hug my kitty now.
>
> Jill

Hugs and purrs, Jill. Never give up hope.
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