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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / January 2005Mixed OT & OT
Stupid lawyer tricks... I just saw an advertisement on TV by an ambulance chaser where he was standing in front of the camera and said, "If you have been involved in a serious car wreck with a drunk driver or 18-wheeler, electrocution, or any accident resulting in death, be sure to call us." Um, wouldn't it be sort of difficult to call him if you had been involved in an accident resulting in death??? Purrs needed... My back went out last night, don't know why, didn't fall or pull it while exercising. It feels like a pinched nerve since the pain is shooting down my left leg (I did, however, fall at work a little over a month ago when the chair I was sitting in - which had, unbeknownst to me, a broken leg - gave way and fell straight to the floor). Anyway, I spent all night tossing and turning and hopping in and out of the hot tub (which didn't do any good for the pain, but did soothe my sleep-deprived, frazzled nerves). I have an appointment today at 1:15 with my orthopedist. I would appreciate some purrs that it is nothing serious - I *won't* go through another surgery! Hugs, CatNipped You're at the doctor now, so I'm sending purrs. There are a couple of over-the-counter products we always have in stock for such situations. One is a patch of icy-hot or any other ointment (I think Tiger Balm makes one now), those are very good and localize the medication without the mess. They also sell these patches that react with air and produce heat for up to 8 hours. Those are also wonderful for an aching muscle/nerve/bone. Or you can make your own heat pad by putting a couple of pounds of raw rice into a cloth bag, sewing it shut and then microwaving the rice for a minute or two, it keeps warm for a while and it conforms to your shape, it's awesome! Let us know what the bone-crusher says... :) > You're at the doctor now, so I'm sending purrs. There are a couple of > over-the-counter products we always have in stock for such situations. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > heat for up to 8 hours. Those are also wonderful for an aching > muscle/nerve/bone. I've been wondering about icy-hot, specifically the icy part. Does icy-hot actually make you cold, or just make you feel a similar sensation? I'm wondering if it can effectively be used for swelling/inflammation type situations in the way that ice is. I suspect the answer is "no," but I really don't know.  Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > You're at the doctor now, so I'm sending purrs. There are a couple of > > over-the-counter products we always have in stock for such situations. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > situations in the way that ice is. I suspect the answer is "no," but I really > don't know. I absolutely adore those thermocare things you get at the store. Keep you toasty and really help pain. > I've been wondering about icy-hot, specifically the icy part. Does icy-hot > actually make you cold, or just make you feel a similar sensation? I'm It just feels cold, probably due to evaporation so it might lower the temperature for a little bit. > wondering if it can effectively be used for swelling/inflammation type > situations in the way that ice is. I suspect the answer is "no," but I really > don't know. I'd say no. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com > > You're at the doctor now, so I'm sending purrs. There are a couple of > > over-the-counter products we always have in stock for such situations. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > really > don't know. AFAIK, the cold part is simply the way menthol (usually) feels. The most common hot part is methyl salicylate (synthetic oil of wintergreen). Both have the effect of distracting from pain, and also helping bring blood to the area. Shortly after an injury, the last thing you want is more blood in the are, so you chill it to reduce swelling and bruising. Basic rule for a sprain, etc.: chill for the 1st 48 hours, then use moist heat. The patches and ointments are more for pain control. Moist heat helps clear the blood clots and fluids that make up bruises. > Purrs needed... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > appointment today at 1:15 with my orthopedist. I would appreciate some > purrs that it is nothing serious - I *won't* go through another surgery! Purrs incoming. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* plenty of healing Purrs coming post haste Monique, Jean.P. > > Purrs needed... > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > plenty of healing Purrs coming post haste Monique, Jean.P. Er, that would be for CatNipped, right? I always appreciate purrs, but I don't have great need right now =) >> > Purrs needed... >> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> Purrs incoming. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* Sooooorrry I sometimes get mixed up when I dont have time to read the whole thread, but glad you dont need any purrs just now cause I do, I 've lost my purse, it must be in the house somewhere but only the lord knows where and he's not telling, my daughter brought a whole load of stuff and it may have got mixed up with that, hey-ho I hope it turns up soon. Jean. > > plenty of healing Purrs coming post haste Monique, Jean.P. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Sooooorrry I sometimes get mixed up when I dont have time to read the whole > thread, but glad you dont need any purrs just now cause I do, I 've lost my > purse, it must be in the house somewhere but only the lord knows where and > he's not telling, my daughter brought a whole load of stuff and it may have > got mixed up with that, hey-ho I hope it turns up soon. Jean. Not a problem at all. Purrs for you. I hope you find your purse soon! Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Purrs needed... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > CatNipped I highly reccomend a Chiropractor. It worked for me... Purrs to you. Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas > > Purrs needed... > >I hope your ortho guy can help. Katz - > Mathew > Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat > En Vino Veritas Mathew, With your kitty names & your siggy, did you see "Sideways"? Good movie. LOTS of discussion about wine. Katz > > > Purrs needed... > > >I hope your ortho guy can help. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Katz Can't say I've seen it, but I'll look for it @ my local vid store... Thanx. SignatureMathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas > > Purrs needed... > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > I highly reccomend a Chiropractor. It worked for me... Purrs to you. There's an NIH Consensus Conference -- don't have the link -- that chiropractors had the best outcomes for acute back pain. I say that with caveats, because chiropractors can be very good for some things, but dangerous when they get outside their area of specialization. I've been lucky to have some that worked closely with medical doctors, and at least one who may be part of a wave of the future - he was certified both as a chiropractor and physical therapist. He feels the disciplines are quite complementary, with chiropractic training emphasizing flexibility and physical therapy training emphasizing strength. Chronic back pain, incidentally, is a different problem. Indeed, acute and chronic _pain_ in general are physiologically different. > There's an NIH Consensus Conference -- don't have the link -- that > chiropractors had the best outcomes for acute back pain. I say that with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Chronic back pain, incidentally, is a different problem. Indeed, acute and > chronic _pain_ in general are physiologically different. In my limited understanding, chiropractors work to correct spinal alignment, not spinal injuries/damage of this sort. At least, part of my initial visit with my chiro was to make sure my problems weren't caused by those sorts of injuries. Now, a chiro will tell you that if you have back pain due to spinal alignment issues, you've already waited far too long to come see them. They're big believers in continuous adjustments, and they claim it helps everything from digestion to energy levels to getting over a cold. With my stress level, desk job, and ice hockey/skiing/mountain biking/martial arts/etc hobbies, I see my chiro once every two weeks, or more often when I'm not feeling well. I can't really say if they've helped with my energy levels and whatnot, but I can tell you that my lower back pain is all gone. A little over a year ago, my back hurt every evening, and sometimes right in the morning as well. Apparently, my hips, neck, and various other things were all out of whack. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > There's an NIH Consensus Conference -- don't have the link -- that > > chiropractors had the best outcomes for acute back pain. I say that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > of > injuries. There's a certain amount of reevaluation going on in chiropractic. A few years ago, I went to an interdisciplinary medical education session on back pain, and some researchers at a chiropractic college suggested they might be doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. A number of radiologists and anatomists will say that the alignment problems aren't significant, or at least things that can be treated with the typical chiropractic adjustments. The adjustments, however, may be causing spinal nerves to release neurotransmitters and anti-inflammatory substances, giving relief. It's still an open area. > Now, a chiro will tell you that if you have back pain due to spinal > alignment [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Apparently, > my hips, neck, and various other things were all out of whack. > There's a certain amount of reevaluation going on in chiropractic. A few > years ago, I went to an interdisciplinary medical education session on back [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > nerves to release neurotransmitters and anti-inflammatory substances, giving > relief. It's still an open area. Well, my chiro is pretty big on the "if your spinal nerves are pinched just the tiniest bit, then your body isn't functioning optimally" idea. I honestly have not noticed the "outrageously good health" they advertise due to adjustments, but then, last year was very stressful to me. My lower back pain is gone, though, which is huge as far as I'm concerned. It makes sense to me that my combination of sedentary lifestyle punctuated by intense weekend warrioring would be particularly susceptible to back issues. My chiro is pretty granola, and all of the benches are in the same room. I hear some of my fellow clients, always women, moaning like the chiro adjustment is just the most incredibly arousing thing that they've ever had done. I assume they're just acting, as the adjustments they do definitely provide relief, but tend to be abrupt, sometimes even mildly painful. And the sound of my neck being cracked is definitely not relaxing! Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* I'm so very sorry to hear about your back. Purrs, hugs and best wishes for the doc to find an easy solution to your problem, SignaturePolonca & Soncek <snip>> Purrs needed... > My back went out last night, don't know why, didn't fall or pull it while > exercising. It feels like a pinched nerve since the pain is shooting down [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > CatNipped > Stupid lawyer tricks... > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > CatNipped Is your area expecting a storm? That is when my numerous "things" act up. MLB >> Stupid lawyer tricks... >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Is your area expecting a storm? That is when my numerous "things" act up. > MLB CapNipped: You asked about experience with disk problems. My daughter-in-law has had two back surgeries. She is OK but has to be careful. The man who was my boss before my retirement is having back surgery on Jan. 14. He is very brave to do this as he is now 89 years old. He played football at Notre Dame when in college and sustained some injuries and they have caused problems in his later years. If you have any spare purrs, please purr for him. MLB I just got back from the doctor and then shopping (like Baha, I shop when I'm depressed - as in when the going gets tough the tough go shopping!!). The verdict is degenerative disk disease and arthritis of the spine. The disk L5 is narrower than it should be, but the S1 disk is almost completely flattened with air inside. The fall at work didn't cause this, but it did cause some inflammation and aggravation of the problem - so no worker's comp with is good (ohmygawd the paperwork) and bad (ohmygawd the costs associated with this). The doctor said the only thing that could "cure" this would be surgery - *NO WAY*. Other than that, anti-inflamatories and physical therapy is the only thing we can do. So, I got depressed and went out and spent a bunch of money I don't have. Bringing the thread back on-topic, one of the things I bought was a drinkwell fountain since I'm not having much success getting the girls to eat the gooshy food. I probably paid too much at PetsMart ($50 plus $10 for three extra filters plus $20 for the extra reservoir - which I figured I would need with 4 cats in the house). Anyway, spending money didn't really help. Anyone else out there dealing with a similar back problem? Has physical therapy / exercise and anti-inflammatories helped at all? Can I look forward to just being in that much more pain (*besides* the Fibromyalgia) for the rest of my life??? Hugs, CatNipped > Stupid lawyer tricks... > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > CatNipped > So, I got depressed and went out and spent a bunch of money I don't > have. Bringing the thread back on-topic, one of the things I bought > was a drinkwell fountain since I'm not having much success getting > the girls to eat the gooshy food. I probably paid too much at > PetsMart ($50 plus $10 for three extra filters plus $20 for the extra > reservoir - which I figured I would need with 4 cats in the house). Ask MMJ - she gets the filters on eBay and they send you a skinny brush for cleaning the motor and the little parts. I clean Persia's fountain and the motor thoroughly once a week. Do NOT put bottled mineral water in it; it will get gunked up way too fast. She just loves that fountain. It's so cute to see her lapping water from the pouring spout! I haven't been able to get the camera to get a shot of this, though. > Anyway, spending money didn't really help. Anyone else out there > dealing with a similar back problem? Has physical therapy / exercise [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > CatNipped {{{{{{{{{Lori}}}}}}} Awwww, I'm sorry, hon. Nope, I don't have that problem. Just arthritis in my arms. Feel better. Hug a cat. Jill >> Stupid lawyer tricks... >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> CatNipped > > So, I got depressed and went out and spent a bunch of money I don't > > have. Bringing the thread back on-topic, one of the things I bought [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the pouring spout! I haven't been able to get the camera to get a shot of > this, though. Sor far, in just a few hours, Bandit (the one I'm concerned about because of "not concentrating her urine" as well now that she is older) has drunk more from the drinkwell than she has all day from her regular water bowl. So, I don't feel as bad spending so much. It didn't come with a brush, what kind should I get and how often do you have to clean it this thoroughly (I plan on changing the water, or at least refilling it, once a day)? > > Anyway, spending money didn't really help. Anyone else out there > > dealing with a similar back problem? Has physical therapy / exercise [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Awwww, I'm sorry, hon. Nope, I don't have that problem. Just arthritis in > my arms. Feel better. Hug a cat. Will do, thanks - that *always* helps no matter what the problem is (that and healing purring)! Hugs, CatNipped > Jill > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >> > >> CatNipped > should I get and how often do you have to clean it this thoroughly (I plan > on changing the water, or at least refilling it, once a day)? We disassemble ours (not a drinkwell, but a petmate) and put everything (except the pump) through the dishwater whenever we realize it looks yucky. We should do it more often though... but considering the crew would drink out of the toilet if we let the lids up, I'm not too concerned... ;-) >>>Anyway, spending money didn't really help. Anyone else out there >>>dealing with a similar back problem? Has physical therapy / exercise >>>and anti-inflammatories helped at all? Can I look forward to just One thing that helps me when I have back pain (nothing even close to yours I'm sure) is yoga. However, if you do decide to do yoga, make sure you get a good teacher that understands you're injured. Here in Austin they have special courses for people recovering from injuries. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com >> should I get and how often do you have to clean it this thoroughly (I >> plan [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > a good teacher that understands you're injured. Here in Austin they have > special courses for people recovering from injuries. Wow, great minds, and all that - I just got finishing ordering a Yoga DVD from Amazon. I couldn't find any Yoga classes nearby that I would willingly give my body over to, what with the Fibromyalgia and back problems, so I'm going to take it slow on my own as well as going to my physical therapy for stretching and strengthening exercise lessons. Hugs, CatNipped > Wow, great minds, and all that - I just got finishing ordering a Yoga DVD > from Amazon. I couldn't find any Yoga classes nearby that I would willingly > give my body over to, what with the Fibromyalgia and back problems, so I'm > going to take it slow on my own as well as going to my physical therapy for > stretching and strengthening exercise lessons. A good instructor should be able to help you modify exercises to make them work for you. If you do try an instructor, I strongly recommend talking to them first about your medical history so that they know ahead of time what you may or may not be able to do. They will also be able to tell you if you'll get much out of the class (there are many different forms of yoga, some much more strenuous than others). I have this issue with martial arts, too. There are certain moves that aggravate my knees, and it never seems to get better. Fortunately for me, the moves in question are rapid-fire roundhouse kicks without a target. I say fortunate because, to my mind, that's just a drill and not a core part of the art. Just last night, my instructor had the class do this, and I went to a bag so that I could do the kicks with a target. (I know that it prevents me from hyperextending, but I also think the very brief contact gives me a brief moment of support as friction "sticks" my foot to the bag). Anyway, long story short, I explained my knee problem to him and told him in firm but friendly terms that I have plenty of experience with this and know what is best for me. He agreed that I could modify any troublesome exercises so that they don't bother me. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> Wow, great minds, and all that - I just got finishing ordering a Yoga DVD >> from Amazon. I couldn't find any Yoga classes nearby that I would [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > that > they don't bother me. I'm still looking, but so far haven't found an instructor I would be willing to trust to do that with. Hugs, CatNipped > I'm still looking, but so far haven't found an instructor I would be willing > to trust to do that with. *nod* I totally understand. Is there anything we/I can do to help, other than the purrs, which are of course activated? Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> I'm still looking, but so far haven't found an instructor I would be >> willing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Is there anything we/I can do to help, other than the purrs, which are of > course activated? Well, once I get the DVD and/or start my PT, I may have some questions for those of you who do this kind of stuff or have back problems. I would look into a chiropractor also, but I have lousy insurance and they don't pay for this. Hugs, CatNipped > Well, once I get the DVD and/or start my PT, I may have some questions for > those of you who do this kind of stuff or have back problems. I would look [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > CatNipped I just thought of something. Is there a YMCA or YWCA in your area? Around here one of these - I forget which, but think it's YMCA - offers a "Healthy Back" class a few times a year. If there is one in your area, you might contact the instructor and see if the class might be helpful for you. It's essentially a bunch of basic exercises that strengthen your back muscles and the class is intended for people who have been injured and/or had surgery. These exercises are very simple, are done on the floor (or on a bed, if necessary, and involve increasing the number of repetitions. I've been bad an not continued doing these as often as I should, but they make good warm up stretches for other activities, too. - Denise Brennasmeowmy > I just thought of something. Is there a YMCA or YWCA in your area? Around > here one of these - I forget which, but think it's YMCA - offers a "Healthy [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Denise Brennasmeowmy Not a bad idea, but I'd definitely check with the doctor first. Stuff that's good for some problems could be bad for others. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Well, once I get the DVD and/or start my PT, I may have some questions for > those of you who do this kind of stuff or have back problems. I would look Make sure to talk with the PT about the kind of things you should not be doing. Bends and twists migth not be advisable at first, or only modified versions. SignatureVictor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com The Drinkwell fountains should be cleaned once a week. I dis-assemble mine completely and run it all through the dishwasher (on normal cycle, with all of their food dishes as well) except for the motor & filter, which have to be hand washed. If you want instructions on how to dis-assemble the fountain, I have am Adobe .PDF file I downloaded from their website that gives instructions. The bad thing about running the parts through the dishwasher is that all the parts are 'hollow' (I'm talking about the main bowl & the upper reservoir where the filter goes) so they hold the (*hot*) water from the dishwasher when you take it out - ouchies ;) The filters should be changed every 6-8 weeks (I tried 8 weeks, but they get too gunky to get clean (just run them under water & brush lightly with your fingers) so I go for 6). I buy my filters from a specific place on eBay, and if you buy 3 or more 3-packs, they give you (for *free*!!!) a brush that's small enough to fit into the motor. Lemme go to my eBay pages & I'll find out who the seller of them is. They charge $5.99 per 3-pack of filters, but do not charge shipping. Since no one around me (including Petsmart) sells the Drinkwell brand filters & I have to order them online anyway, that's a deal to me (especially since we have *8* cats & *3* filters! Someone said that there are aquarium filters that will fit into a Drinkwell (and that they are cheaper), but I noticed that the Drinkwell filters are slightly narrower on the bottom than on the top - whereas aquarium filters are not. OK - the eBay seller is debnroo, and they have a sore called weauction4you.com http://stores.ebay.com/www-weauction4you-com_W0QQsspagenameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm They sell a wide assortment of pet and kitchen products, but have a category specifically for Drinkwell - just look on the left hand side of the page. Hope this helps! SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep >>> So, I got depressed and went out and spent a bunch of money I don't >>> have. Bringing the thread back on-topic, one of the things I bought [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] >>>> >>>> CatNipped > The Drinkwell fountains should be cleaned once a week. I dis-assemble mine > completely and run it all through the dishwasher (on normal cycle, with all [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > bowl & the upper reservoir where the filter goes) so they hold the (*hot*) > water from the dishwasher when you take it out - ouchies ;) OK, thanks, I'll follow that regime! > The filters should be changed every 6-8 weeks (I tried 8 weeks, but they get > too gunky to get clean (just run them under water & brush lightly with your [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the Drinkwell brand filters & I have to order them online anyway, that's a > deal to me (especially since we have *8* cats & *3* filters! That's a real bargain since PetsMart charges $10 plus tax for a three-pack - *THANKS*! > Someone said > that there are aquarium filters that will fit into a Drinkwell (and that > they are cheaper), but I noticed that the Drinkwell filters are slightly > narrower on the bottom than on the top - whereas aquarium filters are not. > OK - the eBay seller is debnroo, and they have a sore called > weauction4you.com http://stores.ebay.com/www-weauction4you-com_W0QQsspagenameZstrkQ3amefsQ3ame sstQQtZkm > They sell a wide assortment of pet and kitchen products, but have a category > specifically for Drinkwell - just look on the left hand side of the page. > > Hope this helps! I just bookmarked the page, again, thanks for the info! Hugs, CatNipped > -- > The ONE and ONLY [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > >>>> > >>>> CatNipped >> The Drinkwell fountains should be cleaned once a week. I >> dis-assemble mine completely and run it all through the dishwasher >> (on normal cycle, with all of their food dishes as well) except for >> the motor & filter, which have to be hand washed. >> The filters should be changed every 6-8 weeks (I tried 8 weeks, but >> they get too gunky to get clean (just run them under water & brush >> lightly with your fingers) so I go for 6). I buy my filters from a >> specific place on eBay, and if you buy 3 or more 3-packs, they give >> you (for *free*!!!) a brush that's small enough to fit into the >> motor. The brush also fits down in the 'tube' of the fountain where the water recirculates and works for cleaning out the crevasses in the flow control valve, too. Jill Lemme go to my eBay pages & I'll find out who the seller of >> them is. They charge $5.99 per 3-pack of filters, but do not charge >> shipping. Since no one around me (including Petsmart) sells the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> filters are not. OK - the eBay seller is debnroo, and they have a >> sore called weauction4you.com http://stores.ebay.com/www-weauction4you-com_W0QQsspagenameZstrkQ3amefsQ3ame > sstQQtZkm >> [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>> CatNipped >I just got back from the doctor and then shopping (like Baha, I shop when >I'm depressed - as in when the going gets tough the tough go shopping!!). [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >with is good (ohmygawd the paperwork) and bad (ohmygawd the costs associated >with this). (snip) Oh Lori. So sorry. Damn. <<<<<<<purrs>>>>>>>> Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > >I just got back from the doctor and then shopping (like Baha, I shop when > >I'm depressed - as in when the going gets tough the tough go shopping!!). [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > <<<<<<<purrs>>>>>>>> Thanks Theresa. Realistically, it's not the end of the world. I already have Fibromyalgia and I've managed with that pain for years now, so I guess a bit more can be coped with. If I can strengthen and stretch the correct muscles with physical therapy that will help along with keeping off the weight I've lost. Hugs, CatNipped > Theresa > Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh > My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com > I just got back from the doctor and then shopping (like Baha, I shop when > I'm depressed - as in when the going gets tough the tough go shopping!!). [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with is good (ohmygawd the paperwork) and bad (ohmygawd the costs associated > with this). Oh, man. I'm sorry to hear this. > The doctor said the only thing that could "cure" this would be surgery - *NO > WAY*. Other than that, anti-inflamatories and physical therapy is the only > thing we can do. Is the surgery the "this will definitely 100% fix your problem" kind or the "we can try this and see if it helps" kind? If it's the former, I wish I could somehow convince you to at least consider it. Of course, it's your body and you've been through so much already. A friend of mine had some parts of his spine fused (I believe that's what it was) and, while he's not 100% pain free, he's at least doing better and is on less pain on fewer drugs. Then again, a few months of AIs and PT should give you a pretty good idea of whether they're helping or not. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > I just got back from the doctor and then shopping (like Baha, I shop when > I'm depressed - as in when the going gets tough the tough go shopping!!). [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > CatNipped Hmmm. Well, I would *certainly* spend some money on a good, high grade Glucosomine Chondriton supplement. It won't reverse anything but it should slow down the cartiledge loss. They really do have amazing disc replacements these days which are very very different from the ones they used to use. Much more close to the real thing. I'm certain that yoga would also be good for this. Google yoga and back disc degeneration and see what you come up with. Hope you start feeling better. > I just got back from the doctor and then shopping (like Baha, I shop when > I'm depressed - as in when the going gets tough the tough go shopping!!). [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > CatNipped I'm so sorry about your back. I would seriously consider the surgery if I were you. I know you have had many and it really sucks, but your pain would be over in a couple of weeks whereas otherwise you'll be dragging it out forever. Anti-inflammatories aren't that good for you long term either and I doubt the physio will work. Dennis had a herniated disk and had pain all the way down one leg. It decreased his standard of living considerably. It made him unable to sleep, relax, concentrate. He became pretty depressed. Eventually it can cause muscle atrophy. He had the surgery and now he's 100% better. His back is a bit weaker than before but most of that is lost muscle which he will eventually regain. But he can sleep again and sit and lie around in any position he wants. It was so worth the few days in the hospital and a week or so on the couch at home. I do hope you reconsider. Hugs and purrs, -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album {{{{{Catnipped}}}}}} Had back pain, although not as severe as yours must be, and it ain't fun. I'm not recommending "fur or agin" surgery, but I do hope that whatever course you choose works for you. Sam > Anyway, spending money didn't really help. Anyone else out there dealing > with a similar back problem? Has physical therapy / exercise and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > CatNipped My sister-in-law has been diagnosed with the same thing, in her case five of her discs are practically non-existent. She tried physiotherapy, which made the pain worse. However, it might work for you. She's been told that any attempt now to reduce the pain will involve surgery, but there are five possible reasons for the pain, so it will take up to five operations to stop it! Of course, she might get lucky, and the first operation will sort it out. My husband was diagnosed with disc problems about three years ago (A&E admission, excellent A&E doctor). In his case, the degeneration hadn't gone too far, just a couple of misaligned and flattened discs. He started going to the gym to built up his muscles to support his spine, and hasn't had any problems since, apart from the problem of having to spend 6 - 8 hours per week in the gym, that is. Jeanette > I just got back from the doctor and then shopping (like Baha, I shop when > I'm depressed - as in when the going gets tough the tough go shopping!!). [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > CatNipped Purrs for you to get better. Yes I have the same problem at exactly the same disk as you. Are we related? <g> This is in addition to my shoulder and back injuries sustained at work. I have had 8 surgeries and things have not improved. The problem similar to what you have will flair up about twice a year. At that point I am unable to walk, sit, or just about anything else. The only way to get any relief is to lie on my back with my left leg bent at the knee. A trip to the ER is usually in order at this point. I too was told that surgery is the only cure but I don't want it. After 8 on my left shoulder, left arm, and left elbow, and actually feeling worse, there is no way I'm letting them touch my lower back until I can't walk anymore. Bob > > I just got back from the doctor and then shopping (like Baha, I shop when > > I'm depressed - as in when the going gets tough the tough go shopping!!). [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Bob Yeah, I had shoulder reconstruction surgery and that plus the PT for that was like torture and I was one of the lucky ones who actually got better. I know some people have had success with back surgery, but for every success story I've heard I've also heard about 10 horror stories of things just getting worse and more painful. Like you, I would have to be at the point of not being able to function because of the pain before I would opt for the surgery - my luck is normally bad. Hugs, CatNipped Sorry Catnipped, I thought it was Monique who had the bad back so now I will send the Purrs to you poste haste I was told a long time ago I had the 1and 2 or was it 2and 3 disks all squashed up, but now I've got that many things wrong that I dont notice it specifically these days, just everything lumped up together so I dont know which pain is what LOL Jean.P. > > > I just got back from the doctor and then shopping (like Baha, I shop > when [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > CatNipped I'm so sorry about the bad news, CN! Soncek and I are sending extra-strong purrs and best wishes for the therapy to work, SignaturePolonca & Soncek > I just got back from the doctor and then shopping (like Baha, I shop when > I'm depressed - as in when the going gets tough the tough go shopping!!). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > WAY*. Other than that, anti-inflamatories and physical therapy is the only > thing we can do. <snip >I just got back from the doctor and then shopping (like Baha, I shop when >I'm depressed - as in when the going gets tough the tough go shopping!!). [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >anti-inflammatories helped at all? Can I look forward to just being in that >much more pain (*besides* the Fibromyalgia) for the rest of my life??? Sorry, can't offer any helpful advice with your back problem, but I'm sure others will have some useful advice. Sending purrs that you'll find a way to ease the pain. At least Bandit is enjoying the new fountain, so the shopping wasn't a total waste ;-) SignatureSteve Touchstone, faithful servant of Sammy, Little Bit and Rocky (RB) stouchst@JUNKsirinet.net [remove Junk for email] Home Page: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/index.html Cat Pix: http://www.sirinet.net/~stouchst/animals.html > Stupid lawyer tricks... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of difficult to call him if you had been involved in an accident resulting > in death??? Might not have been the viewer's death? (In which case he might well NEED a lawyer, but I don't think I'd choose one from a TV ad.) ---------------------<snip>---------------------- >I would appreciate some >purrs that it is nothing serious - I *won't* go through another surgery! You got 'em. I hate to see anyone with back pain. Here's hoping it turns out to be nothing of consequence. Regards and Purrs, O J >Stupid lawyer tricks... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >of difficult to call him if you had been involved in an accident resulting >in death??? lol! I thought that, too. >Purrs needed... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >CatNipped Purrs on their way. For some reason, I have had severe pain in all my joints and my upper legs for several days. This is not normal. I am hoping it is just the weather (rain, rain, and more rain). Anyway, hope your back is okay and it is nothing serious. Ginger-lyn > Stupid lawyer tricks... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > resulting > in death??? Facing the bulkhead row in Air Canada's DH-8 small transports, at least when I last flew one, was a long list of emergency instructions, with the final line being: If you cannot read this, notify a flight attendant. > Purrs needed... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > appointment today at 1:15 with my orthopedist. I would appreciate some > purrs that it is nothing serious - I *won't* go through another surgery! One rational alternative to surgery is to work with a multidisciplinary pain management clinic. There's a tremendous amount of things that can be done for pain control without surgery or zonking you with drugs. |
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