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:-\)Liz - 01 Jan 2005 08:13 GMT Happy 2005 To Us One And All!!!!!!! We ALL can use a GOOD!!!!!!!!! Year!.....Mark E. be glad the only # I still have of yours starts with a 817- 319 and that...ALAS!!!!!! it wasn't you I got at midnight!!!!! :-( Don't Know Who It Was..... But I Wished Them Happy New Year as well!!!!
: -) Liz Stormin Mormon - 01 Jan 2005 18:11 GMT Got to start writing 05 on checks, now. I'll forget for most of a month. Well, we survived another year.
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Happy 2005 To Us One And All!!!!!!! We ALL can use a GOOD!!!!!!!!! Year!.....Mark E. be glad the only # I still have of yours starts with a 817- 319 and that...ALAS!!!!!! it wasn't you I got at midnight!!!!! :-( Don't Know Who It Was..... But I Wished Them Happy New Year as well!!!!
: -) Liz Christina Websell - 01 Jan 2005 21:02 GMT > Got to start writing 05 on checks, now. I'll forget for most of a month. > Well, we survived another year. 150,000+ didn't.
Tweed
Seanette Blaylock - 01 Jan 2005 22:54 GMT "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Happy 2005 All:
>> Got to start writing 05 on checks, now. I'll forget for most of a month. >> Well, we survived another year. >150,000+ didn't. So it's not something to be pleased about that billions did? Also, I'm sure the worldwide number of deaths in 2004 was MUCH more than the figure you give. Why is it that only some of those millions of dead are of concern and all the rest are ignored?
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Christina Websell - 01 Jan 2005 23:44 GMT > "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very > interesting things to say about Re: Happy 2005 All: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So it's not something to be pleased about that billions did? Yes. of course.
> Also, I'm > sure the worldwide number of deaths in 2004 was MUCH more than the > figure you give. Why is it that only some of those millions of dead > are of concern and all the rest are ignored? You are quite right. People I know have died this year, through old age or disease. This happens all over the world, all the time. No-one remarks about it. It has to happen. However... I cannot be alone, surely, in mourning the dead from the tsumani. So many people in the prime of their lives. So many children. All in one go.
Christopher's post struck a raw note in me about surviving another year. Sorry if I offended you, it's just what I thought at the time, while watching the awful images on the TV.
Tweed
Seanette Blaylock - 02 Jan 2005 02:18 GMT "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to say about Re: Happy 2005 All:
>You are quite right. People I know have died this year, through old age or >disease. This happens all over the world, all the time. No-one remarks [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Sorry if I offended you, it's just what I thought at the time, while >watching the awful images on the TV. What bothered me was that it sounded like you were rebuking him for being grateful for surviving a tough year, and that only some dead are worthy of mourning while others just get dismissed. Makes it sound like some people are more valuable than others, which bugs me.
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL David Stevenson - 02 Jan 2005 13:16 GMT >"Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very >interesting things to say about Re: Happy 2005 All: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >worthy of mourning while others just get dismissed. Makes it sound >like some people are more valuable than others, which bugs me. Since the majority of the world - ie, anyone who thinks the media portray news - think that people who die spectacularly matter more it is not surprising to hear that view.
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Karen Chuplis - 02 Jan 2005 14:43 GMT >> "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very >> interesting things to say about Re: Happy 2005 All: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > portray news - think that people who die spectacularly matter more it is > not surprising to hear that view. Interesting. I keep seeing things like this on Usenet, and I completely disagree. It is not that they matter more, but I really don't think it's inappropriate to address the enormity of this situation. It is unequaled in modern times, even with the Bangledesh flooding back in the 70's, this is much larger in scope. In my mind, it ranks right under a small asteroid hitting the earth. So then, is it so wrong to boggle at the scope? To ask for people to be generous? Not that I don't think the media likes a good story that they can drag out, but this is different at least in my mind in that I think it is important people DO see how enormous this is. This summer, a small town of 300 people near me was destroyed by a tornado. The scene there looked very much like this one except for one thing. There were not bodies strewn everywhere and the towns next to it while damaged, did not similarly lay in rubble and were very much there for immediate help. A very sad even yes. But, our city sent buses and the refugees were here within an hour. They had homes to go to, hotels, shelters, many relatives, few lives were lost (I believe two people died and, yes, that was tragic and I actually cried for these people) and the town began rebuilding almost immediately. In this instance of Asia, there would be no nearby city that was not similarly obliterated, no where to go, no where to get much help, particularly in Indonesia and Summatra, for days. 1 in four people involved in the event are dead. Not only that but there is no equipment to help you with all the carnage and rubble. Instead of trucks rolling in the next morning with National Guard and hundreds of volunteers as here in the cases of a tornado event or hurricane event, it takes days to get into many of these places. They have lost family, homes and livlihoods on a HUGE scale in a few minutes. And unlike a country like the US that had an existing strong infrastructure, it's going to be a long time to get a semblence of normalacy to return in these places that had existing difficulties in health and, indeed, simply access. That is what I see portrayed in the media. Yes, death is a part of life and happens all the time, but we at least have family, or jobs to turn to for help, for an outlet for grief. If your whole reason for living is suddenly swept away and not just for one person but for tens of thousands in the matter of minutes, yes, it bears talking about and is a remarkable event. When entire families, in the thousands, are wiped off the earth and not just one family member, it bears international attention. It is an historic event. It is tragedy magnified thousands of times. It does not negate personal tragedy that people suffer everyday, but it is certainly something that provokes thought, concern and hopefully compassion from those more fortunate. I can guarantee you that people here who lost their town here, and people in Florida who went through the hurricanes probably think that the coverage is warranted and that they were the lucky ones in the scope of their tragedy. I ask all of you, in your lifetime, have tens of thousands of people perished in one instant? People who came from all corners of the earth? I can think of only one that comes close and it was 9/11, which still did not come close in numbers. And even in that instant, there was help to go to immediately. I think this Tsuanmi event is worthy of the coverage it has gotten and of the support it is receiving.
In keeping with the original thought of Happy 2005, it easy for me to say, I think I will certainly have a happy 2005 because I have a home and a job and family and cats. And I have a new ruler by which to measure my "bad days".
David Stevenson - 02 Jan 2005 17:16 GMT >I think this Tsuanmi event is worthy of >the coverage it has gotten and of the support it is receiving. Some of the coverage no doubt is. But when someone tells me that they cannot stop watching dead bodies it seems macabre, to put it politely.
Support? Yes, that's different. Of course I have no problem with giving support. But remember what the media are going to say over the coming months:
It was the fault of ........ that more people died than needed to. ... gave more support than ... did so ... is better. Here is a picture of someone grieving for their loss - enjoy. This proves that .../.../.../... is the only correct religion.
If this world ever wants to become civilised I think that they need to make the media civilised first.
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CatNipped - 02 Jan 2005 17:28 GMT > If this world ever wants to become civilised I think that they need to > make the media civilised first. Truer words were never written!
Hugs,
CatNipped
> -- > David Stevenson Storypage: http://blakjak.com/sty_menu.htm > Liverpool, England, UK <cat2@blakjak.com> Emails welcome > Nanki Poo: SI O+W B 11 Y L+ W++ C+ I T+ A- E H++ V- F Q P+ B+ PA+ PL SC > Minke: SI W+Cp B 2 Y L W+ C++ I T A- E H++ V++ F- Q- P B PA+ PL+ SC- Karen Chuplis - 02 Jan 2005 17:40 GMT >> If this world ever wants to become civilised I think that they need to >> make the media civilised first. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > CatNipped Well, I do have to agree that the media needs a reboot.
Cheryl Perkins - 02 Jan 2005 17:53 GMT <snip>
> If this world ever wants to become civilised I think that they need to > make the media civilised first. Not really. The media only does what sells. It's humans, or at least an awful lot of us, who want to watch terrible accidents and listen to silly superficial explanations and accusations afterwards.
It's the humans who need civilization. We're the ones who create and work in media, and who buy products from the companies who support it with advertising revenue.
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CatNipped - 02 Jan 2005 18:27 GMT > <snip> > > If this world ever wants to become civilised I think that they need to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > in media, and who buy products from the companies who support it with > advertising revenue. I don't know Cheryl. Everyone I talk to abhors the media and the current way news is covered. Yes, we watch it, but what other choice is there available? I want to hear about the bad things, yes, there might be something I could do to help. But I would also *dearly* love to hear about the teenagers who got together to raise money for a charitable organization, or the community who poured out donations and volunteers to help out their neighbors (even when their neighbors are in another country).
I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way - in fact I think I'm in the majority - and I think the media has a serious case of "smarter than thou" and think that the public is far more stupid, greedy, voyeuristic, and base than we actually are - and then they try to pander to that misconception when in reality they are pandering to their own warped values.
Hugs,
CatNipped
> -- > Cheryl David Stevenson - 03 Jan 2005 01:06 GMT >I don't know Cheryl. Everyone I talk to abhors the media and the current >way news is covered. Yes, we watch it, but what other choice is there [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >base than we actually are - and then they try to pander to that >misconception when in reality they are pandering to their own warped values. Interestingly enough, the one type of media which seemed not to pander to nasty things was the state-controlled media of the mid years of the USSR. Their 'news' was all about achievement.
I think sports reporting is also interesting. While they are happy to report bad things you are much more likely to get mentioned for achievement in sports than in anything else: the balance is different.
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Cheryl Perkins - 03 Jan 2005 11:31 GMT > I don't know Cheryl. Everyone I talk to abhors the media and the current > way news is covered. Yes, we watch it, but what other choice is there [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > or the community who poured out donations and volunteers to help out their > neighbors (even when their neighbors are in another country). We do get 'feel good' stories on the local news about various community and charitable endeavours. And I know many people agree with you. I wouldn't agree entirely, but I probably - certainly - don't get the same news coverage you do, so in a way we're comparing apples and oranges.
> I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way - in fact I think I'm in > the majority - and I think the media has a serious case of "smarter than > thou" and think that the public is far more stupid, greedy, voyeuristic, and > base than we actually are - and then they try to pander to that > misconception when in reality they are pandering to their own warped values. Yes, but I always find it more interesting to look at what people do rather than what they say. I read years ago that surveys of what magasines people claim to read show much higher readership of literary and serious news magasines and much lower readership of tabloids than are born out by sales figures! And I can't criticize the reality shows without revealing that I've watched at least some parts of some of them!
There are many sources for news. I get relatively little of mine from TV, more from the radio and magazines, and some from online sites. I'm spoilt for choice, really, and if I think something is over-emphasizing horrific pictures, like a show I started watching on TV last night, I turn it off.
I think most news shows are designed to make money for their employers, and if what they are doing wasn't attracting viewers, they'd stop. The only exceptions would be public broadcasters, and they have a different set of priorities to balance - they have to appear independent of the government of the country while not getting so independent that their funding will be cut. And they have to, simultaneously, attract *some* viewers without actually cutting too much into private broadcasters' audience, since that is 'unfair competition'. But for the great majority of news programs, the ones in the private sector, news is business, and if they didn't have viewers who liked what they are doing, they'd be out of business. Particularly in markets with more than one station.
This doesn't mean *all* viewers (like you and me) like it. Just that there's enough who do to buy the products that pay the bills.
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Christina Websell - 02 Jan 2005 21:34 GMT >>> "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very >>> interesting things to say about Re: Happy 2005 All: [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > and > family and cats. And I have a new ruler by which to measure my "bad days". Thank you, Karen. You have understood what I was trying to say, and I didn't make a very good job of it myself.
Tweed
David Stevenson - 02 Jan 2005 00:02 GMT >"Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very >interesting things to say about Re: Happy 2005 All: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >figure you give. Why is it that only some of those millions of dead >are of concern and all the rest are ignored? It is the modern view of what is news.
If twelve people die in separate road accidents in England in a day [actually, that's a pretty good day] it is not news-worthy. If twelve die in one accident it is. I do not think that the relatives of people who die care whether it is in a one person accident or a multiple person accident.
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Stormin Mormon - 02 Jan 2005 13:58 GMT Good reminder. I didn't write 150,000 on any checks.
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> Got to start writing 05 on checks, now. I'll forget for most of a month. > Well, we survived another year. 150,000+ didn't.
Tweed
Adrian - 02 Jan 2005 17:55 GMT >> Got to start writing 05 on checks, now. I'll forget for most of a >> month. Well, we survived another year. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tweed Which is also roughly the number of children that have died in Africa in the last week. :-(
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