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Victor Martinez - 30 Dec 2004 23:41 GMT
So, we're thinking of getting an exercise machine. This one looks like a
good choice, albeit an expensive one:
http://www.treadclimber.com/products/tc5000.asp
does anybody have any experience with this or any other cardio equipment
you would recommend?

Victor, who swears this is not a new year's resolution

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CatNipped - 31 Dec 2004 00:05 GMT
> So, we're thinking of getting an exercise machine. This one looks like a
> good choice, albeit an expensive one:
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>
> Victor, who swears this is not a new year's resolution

I got a treadmill from Sears - it has an "incline" feature - and an
exercycle from an athletic store.  These two things are great for cardio,
but if you want strength or weight training then you're on the right
"track"!  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

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CatNipped - 31 Dec 2004 00:23 GMT
Oh, sorry, my bad.  I saw Bowflex and I thought of those weight-lifting type
thingies.  I didn't realize this *was* a treadmill.

Hugs,

CatNipped

> > So, we're thinking of getting an exercise machine. This one looks like a
> > good choice, albeit an expensive one:
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---MIKE--- - 31 Dec 2004 00:26 GMT
If you want to lose weight - forget exercise.  One hour on a machine
like that will burn between 400 and 500 calories - about equivalent to
eating one Snickers bar.  The only way to lose weight is to eat less.
You can combat the hunger by eating lots of vegetables.  A salad
containing broccoli, cucumber, tomatoes, peppers and lettuce would be a
good start.  Use a fat free dressing.  For exercise, get a good pair of
boots (or sneakers) and go for fast walks (3 to 4 MPH).  I did two miles
today and the temperature was below freezing.  My pulse was 132 when I
got home so I got good cardio from the walk.  I have shed about 20
pounds since last spring but it was not the exercise that did it!

                 ---MIKE---
Bill Stock - 31 Dec 2004 01:51 GMT
> If you want to lose weight - forget exercise.  One hour on a machine
> like that will burn between 400 and 500 calories - about equivalent to
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>
>                  ---MIKE---

I do about an hour a day on the treadmill (600 calories), which doesn't do
much for weight loss. But it does increase your muscle mass, which will
increase your metabolism and help keep the weight off. Unfortuantely I
wrecked my back about 15 years ago, so running is out of the question for
me. I do about 3.5 miles a day, so this is the same as your 3-4 mph.

The diet definately helps. I went low carb about two years ago (been falling
off the wagon lately) lost 40 pounds and kept it off. I found it was more
about eating fewer processed foods (flour/sugar) and eating more vegetables.
Rather than the bacon/steak crap the media rants about. The GI
diet/lifestyle probably makes more sense.
Sherry - 31 Dec 2004 05:34 GMT
>The diet definately helps. I went low carb about two years ago (been falling
>off the wagon lately) lost 40 pounds and kept it off. I found it was more
>about eating fewer processed foods (flour/sugar) and eating more vegetables.
>Rather than the bacon/steak crap the media rants about. The GI
>diet/lifestyle probably makes more sense.

You'll lose weight on the heart-healthy diet. You probably won't like it
though. I can't keep enough weight ON.
I've learned to like that fat-free stuff, for the most part though. Except for
the fake eggs.
Sherry
Bill Stock - 31 Dec 2004 17:30 GMT
> >The diet definately helps. I went low carb about two years ago (been
> >falling
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> the fake eggs.
> Sherry

I'm not looking to lose more weight really, although I should probably do
another 10 pounds. But I know I would not keep it off. My BMI is about 23
now, so it's not too bad.

Ackkkk, rubber eggs.
Victor Martinez - 31 Dec 2004 03:38 GMT
> If you want to lose weight - forget exercise.  One hour on a machine

It's not only about losing weight, it's also about being fit, having a
good cardiovascular system going.

> like that will burn between 400 and 500 calories - about equivalent to
> eating one Snickers bar.  The only way to lose weight is to eat less.

I don't eat snickers or other processed candies... :)
Actually, there is only 1 way to lose weight: burn more calories than
you ingest. Period. You can do this by either limiting your caloric
intake, or by increasing the calories you burn. By exercising, you not
only burn calories during your workouts, you also increase muscle mass,
which consumes more calories while at rest.

> You can combat the hunger by eating lots of vegetables.  A salad

I try (and for the most part do) eat a very healthy diet. I don't eat
processed foods or fast food.

> good start.  Use a fat free dressing.  For exercise, get a good pair of
> boots (or sneakers) and go for fast walks (3 to 4 MPH).  I did two miles

We used to walk each morning, but it's harder when it's cold outside!

> today and the temperature was below freezing.  My pulse was 132 when I
> got home so I got good cardio from the walk.  I have shed about 20
> pounds since last spring but it was not the exercise that did it!

But you just said you go for walks! I'm sure it's a combination of both.

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 31 Dec 2004 09:21 GMT
Piggybacking here...

>http://www.treadclimber.com/products/tc5000.asp

For me, the best exercise machine money can buy is a bicycle. I use it almost
everyday for things such as trips to the post office, the bank, light shopping
- and I'm exercising without even trying! For the amount of money that
treadclimber costs you could get a seriously good bike which is much more
practical than a treadmill. Indeed, both you & Tom could get a decent bike each
for that amount & go out leisure cycling together.

Plus, if the idea of the exercise is to lose weight - exercise alone won't do
this. It'll trim you up and increase fitness but you also must control calories
too in the form of a healthy, balanced, low-calorie diet.

At home, we all have bikes and we have a multi-gym in the garage. The multi-gym
is Nathan's which he uses to compliment his cycling. But even he prefers to be
out on his bike - much nicer being out in the fresh air than getting all sweaty
indoors ;-)

When I first got back on the bike, I couldn't cycle five miles without getting
off several times to get my breath. Now I can cycle a century - albeit slowly
at my own pace. I am, however, still overweight. But, in the last four weeks
I've dropped 14lbs (even over the Christmas) by controlling what goes into my
mouth *strictly* as well as exercising. Mind you, although I'm overweight, my
blood pressure is *excellent* and all the other stuff docs associate with
obesity, such as insulin resistance, cholesterol etc., mine are all well within
normal tolerances, which seemed to physically upset one of the docs at the
practice I use as to him all overweight people are depressed, about to have a
heart attack any second, if not a stroke, get diabetes, as well as having no
sense of self-worth or self-control... sigh! The good bloodwork results are.
I'm sure, largely due to the fact I do exercise. The current weight-loss drive
is due to the fact I'm entered into a 2.5 day cycle event in France, in May,
which is not a race, but has time limits by which the event must be completed.
In order to do it within the time limits I *need* to shift excess weight so I
can be speedier on the bike.

Remember - if cycling is good enough for Lance Armstrong, it's good enough ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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Howard Berkowitz - 31 Dec 2004 13:36 GMT
> Piggybacking here...
>
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>
> Cheers, helen s

Sometimes, however, it's simply not a mechanically good idea.  I indeed
may be restoring an old bike to run errands, but my legs and ankles are
not up to extended pedaling. After coronary bypass surgery, the removal
of the vein graft in my left leg interfered with lymphatic return, and,
with certain blood pressure drugs, causes fluid to pool.

I've broken both ankles at various times, my left a couple of times with
ligament damage on the right. For me, a rowing machine or circuit weight
training is simpler.  Impact isn't an issue with a bicycle, but
repetitive lower leg movement is.
---MIKE--- - 31 Dec 2004 14:26 GMT
Bicycles are fine when the weather cooperates but not too good when it
rains.  When the roads are snow covered (like now) a bike could be
dangerous.  One of the secrets of dieting is to allow yourself a time
off.  Mine is Sunday breakfast.  I take my Fosamax when I get up and
wait at least an hour.  Then I have a cheese omelet, three strips of
bacon and an english muffin amply covered with margarine (Olivio).
Then, in order to get my fiber, I munch on a handful of Fiber One
cereal.  I call this my sin breakfast!

                 ---MIKE---
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 07 Jan 2005 11:22 GMT
>Bicycles are fine when the weather cooperates but not too good when it
>rains.

Sorry - totally wrong. I cycle in the rain, as to husband & son and we wear
appropriate clothing. Cycling in the rain can be extremely invigorating and fun
and *dry*. Admittedly I wouldn't cycle in a monsoon, but I wouldn't be driving
in one either ;-) The only time I don't like cycling is when there's a strong
headwind. Other than that I adore cycling and have fun with it, as do the rest
of the family.

> When the roads are snow covered (like now) a bike could be
>dangerous.  

Indeed - as can any form of transport. Just as you can get snow tyres for cars
you can too for cycles. One of the reasons I was bought a recumbent trike for
Christmas is that it is more stable in icy conditions than an upright bike.
It's also great fun by the way.

Cheers, helen s

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Victor Martinez - 31 Dec 2004 19:03 GMT
> For me, the best exercise machine money can buy is a bicycle. I use it almost

We have a bicycle and I used to ride all day when I was a boy. I'm not
attracted to cycling anymore... just the cute guys in bicycle pants! :)

> everyday for things such as trips to the post office, the bank, light shopping

Those things are not doable here, our cities here are designed for cars,
not pedestrians or bicycles.

> Plus, if the idea of the exercise is to lose weight - exercise alone won't do
> this. It'll trim you up and increase fitness but you also must control calories
> too in the form of a healthy, balanced, low-calorie diet.

We do eat a healthy diet, but we've fallen into a non-exercise routine
that is not boding well for our bodies. I'm doing yoga as often as I
can, usually 2 or 3 times per week, but I need something else. Tom
hasn't exercised properly in many years, though he has a much faster
metabolism than I do.

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 31 Dec 2004 19:35 GMT
>We have a bicycle and I used to ride all day when I was a boy. I'm not
>attracted to cycling anymore... just the cute guys in bicycle pants! :)

Well if you get out there, you can watch them all ;-)

>Those things are not doable here, our cities here are designed for cars,
>not pedestrians or bicycles.

We have cars, trucks, buses on the roads too, Victor ;-) UK cities are
definitely not designed with the cyclist uppermost in mind. I wish they were.
Various places on mainland Europe are a different matter though.

Cheers, helen s

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Stormin Mormon - 03 Jan 2005 19:29 GMT
I had to go back and read this. Baha, is your Gaydar going off, here?

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
> For me, the best exercise machine money can buy is a bicycle. I use it almost

We have a bicycle and I used to ride all day when I was a boy. I'm not
attracted to cycling anymore... just the cute guys in bicycle pants! :)

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Seanette Blaylock - 03 Jan 2005 20:02 GMT
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61-#spamblock*-@hotmail.com> had some very
interesting things to say about Re: Exercise machine (Paging Baha!) :

>I had to go back and read this. Baha, is your Gaydar going off, here?

Victor's always in the time I've been here been very open about his
orientation. We hear a good deal about his long-time partner, Tom. :-)

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Stormin Mormon - 03 Jan 2005 19:29 GMT
Doesn't do a thing for me.

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I'm not
attracted to cycling anymore... just the cute guys in bicycle pants! :)

Elise - 31 Dec 2004 02:05 GMT
> So, we're thinking of getting an exercise machine. This one looks like a
> good choice, albeit an expensive one:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Victor, who swears this is not a new year's resolution

No experience to offer but I just read somewhere (darned if I can
remember where) that a stair climber with the actual revolving steps
gives a better workout because it forces you through the full range of
motion (actually lifting each foot and putting it back down rather than
just shifting your weight from one leg to the other).  The advantage of
a stair climber type machine is that it probably has the smallest
footprint of all the cardio machines.

I intend to have a treadmill someday soon.  We should be moving in
February to a house of our very own (provided the bank doesn't change
it's mind about lending us lots of money!) and I will finally have room
for one.

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Howard Berkowitz - 31 Dec 2004 02:30 GMT
> > So, we're thinking of getting an exercise machine. This one looks like
> > a
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> it's mind about lending us lots of money!) and I will finally have room
> for one.

As long as we're off topic, does anyone know if aerobic rowing machines,
preferably that will fold (to go under a couch) or stand on end are
still made?  I remember them available for home use, but now I only see
them in cardiac rehab/physical therapy or a few large health clubs.  

Leg-oriented aerobic machines aren't good for me, for an assortment of
physical reasons. I also know, from gym experience, I'll get on a rowing
machine and use it. I have a decent home weight setup, again from
experience that I'll only do aerobics if I also do strength training --
and I'm known to do that at an aerobic pace.
Susan M - 01 Jan 2005 08:20 GMT
Don't know about this specific machine but my husband swears by his Bowflex
weight machine.  I gave him a tight sweater for Christmas "To:  Bowflex
Man".  Looks like a good idea.

Happy sweating.

Susan M
otis and chester
who all know that it isn't a new year's resolution

> So, we're thinking of getting an exercise machine. This one looks like a
> good choice, albeit an expensive one:
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>
> Victor, who swears this is not a new year's resolution
 
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