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Cat Pan Liners - what's your take?
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jmcquown - 30 Dec 2004 12:47 GMT Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the kind that fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those that I can turn inside out so the litter and 'deposits' fall inside and dump every week (yes, I scoop and replenish litter daily).
But I know some people who prefer to go lining-less and after regular scooping just wash the pan out every week. I'm afraid I'm much too lazy a cleaner to do that.
If you use pan liners, what is your preference? If you don't, why would you rather not?
I should probably mention I have only a single sink in the kitchen and Persia's litter pan is bigger than the sink! Even with the liners, in the summer I take it outside and hose it off. In the winter they block off the external faucets with some sort of insulated cover. So I find the liners to be an absolute necessity.
Jill
dragon - 30 Dec 2004 14:21 GMT I use liners, but I don't stick to only one brand. I get whichever jumbo liners the store I happen to be at happens to have. I have found that layers of newspaper stuck under the liner helps sop up any leaks that may occur and makes it much easier to clean the box. I use regular litter, however, not the clumpable kind. With four cats, the clumping litter is just way too expensive.
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Cheryl Perkins - 30 Dec 2004 15:33 GMT I tried liners once. One or both cats promptly shredded it during some rather over-enthusiastic digging, so I decided that there really wasn't much point in using a liner. Not unless they start making them out of something a bit more shred-resistant than plastic.
I use plain clay cat litter. It's dusty, but doesn't track as badly as the clumping kind does. And I do rather prefer simply cleaning the whole box at slightly greater intervals to scooping out lumps and wondering what's left behind more frequently. When I used to cat-sit Harry-the-Cat, he arrived complete with litter box, clumping litter, and special cat food, so I have some familiarity with the clumping litter.
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TBird - 30 Dec 2004 16:42 GMT > I use liners, but I don't stick to only one brand. I get whichever > jumbo liners the store I happen to be at happens to have. I have found [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > dragon Newspaper! What a a good idea!
I use liners too. Whatevers cheapest. I hate the clumping litter, it sticks to the scoop strainer and makes a huge mess. I scoop often and do acomplete litter change every two weeks. (Trash day.)
That doesn't stop them from letting rip some aromatic symphonies from time to time. THAT I'll never understand - they eat the same foor every day - why does it stink so bad only sometimes? Yeesh!
TBird <---- likes the newspaper idea!
CatNipped - 30 Dec 2004 14:27 GMT > Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the kind that > fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those that I can turn [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Jill I don't use them simply because I find they tear and then aren't any use and just get in the way. Using the scoop causes the tears as well as kitty claws (all of my cats are enthusiastic diggers). We can use the hose outside year-round, so I just take them outside once a week with a scrub brush and some "Mr. Clean" and give them a good scrubbing using a hose to wash them off. This is really convenient for me since we keep the litter boxes in our attached garage, which has a kitty door in the door that leads to the house. When it's time to clean the boxes I just "lock" the kitty door to keep the cats in the house, open up the garage door, and clean the boxes out in the drive.
Hugs,
CatNipped
jmcquown - 30 Dec 2004 14:37 GMT >> Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the >> kind that fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > CatNipped You are very fortunate indeed to be able to rinse and wash the tray like that... even when it snowed? <G>
The last brand I bought was 'Fresh Kitty' liners and they are thicker than a heavy duty lawn/leaf bag. 1.8 mil thick. The scoop doesn't tear them; Persia scratching doesn't tear them. 20 bags cost me about $1.29. I need to get to PetCo again next week; I only have a few bags left.
Jill
CatNipped - 30 Dec 2004 15:04 GMT >>> Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the >>> kind that fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > You are very fortunate indeed to be able to rinse and wash the tray like > that... even when it snowed? <G> Yeah, our .0000000001 inches of snow made the going pretty tough for a whole five minutes or so! ;>
> The last brand I bought was 'Fresh Kitty' liners and they are thicker than > a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jill Wow, I'm impressed, everything I've ever tried just shredded in the first 24 hours of use, but I haven't tried that brand. Then again, I have faith that my crew could most likely tear them. I guess if I clipped claws it might be different, but I have 16 sets of claws in my house that are as sharp as Samauri swords.
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CatNipped
Marina - 30 Dec 2004 17:42 GMT jmcquown wrote:
>>The last brand I bought was 'Fresh Kitty' liners and they are thicker than >>a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > different, but I have 16 sets of claws in my house that are as sharp as > Samauri swords. And IIRC, Persia is declawed in front, so she couldn't shred the liner like a clawed cat.
I don't use liner in the litterboxes. Just soak them a while every now and then, and then wash them.
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jmcquown - 30 Dec 2004 17:44 GMT > jmcquown wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I don't use liner in the litterboxes. Just soak them a while every now > and then, and then wash them. Yeah, she was front declawed by her former owners. But I find the liners make cleanup so much easier.
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Yowie - 30 Dec 2004 21:07 GMT > > Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the kind that > > fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those that I can turn [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > door to keep the cats in the house, open up the garage door, and clean the > boxes out in the drive. I use pan liners, best thing I ever found (and wouldn't even have known they existed except for reading here). I use a clay litter and Shmogg is an enthu siastic digger, so I put a decent layer of newspaper in before the liner, put the liner in, and then put *another* decent layer (at least 8 sheets thick) on top of th eliner before I put in the cheap gravelly clay that is the only type Shmogg will use. I just lift out the liner with the top layer of newspaper and gravel, put it into a plastic shopping bag and dump it into the trash. Occasionally when the liner has leaked (rare), all I have to do is lift out the bottom layer of newspaper, hose out and spray with disinfectant, and its ready to go again. I no longer have to spend hours chipping out litter tray concrete, scrubbing out the slushy mud made from the clay dust, and otherwise doing gross stuff.
I don't know about brands of tray liners, though, there's only ever been two types here, and both work equally well.
Yowie
Julie Cook - 30 Dec 2004 14:44 GMT > Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the kind that > fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those that I can turn [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jill Jill,
I used to use the large, black garbage bags (I have very large tupperware storage containers for litterboxes) and they fit over the boxes just as you described. Unfortunately, Lacey is a digger and she would tear the bags so they became useless. Now, when I change the litter (on the weekend) I use one of the disposable Clorox wipes and wipe out the box and let it dry before adding fresh litter. This has managed to keep the boxes fresh until I wash them (about once a month, maybe a little longer).
Julie
Monique Y. Mudama - 30 Dec 2004 18:14 GMT > I used to use the large, black garbage bags (I have very large tupperware > storage containers for litterboxes) and they fit over the boxes just as you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > before adding fresh litter. This has managed to keep the boxes fresh until > I wash them (about once a month, maybe a little longer). Oscar has two litterboxes, a traditional one and a big bin I bought at Home Depot for four bucks. I use commercial plastic litterbox liners for the traditional one. They won't fit on the bin, so I use a partially ripped and stretched garbage bag for that one. Oscar does tear them, but it still keeps the bottoms and sides fairly clean, and still makes it easier, although not foolproof, to empty the box. Typically to empty the box, I'll encase the whole thing in a garbage bag and carry it to the garage trashcan, where I then dump the contents into the bag. It's easier to carry that heavy litter in a box than in a bag.
Incidentally, I got the big bin a month or so ago, and Oscar loves it. It's bigger (and cheaper) than any marketed litter box I've seen. Oscar's pretty bad about covering her stuff in the (large) normal box, but she manages it in the big one, and seems to much prefer it, in general.
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Nina K Pettis - 30 Dec 2004 19:22 GMT <trim>
> Incidentally, I got the big bin a month or so ago, and Oscar loves it. It's > bigger (and cheaper) than any marketed litter box I've seen. Oscar's pretty > bad about covering her stuff in the (large) normal box, but she manages it in > the big one, and seems to much prefer it, in general. I got one of those 50+ gallon bins at WalMart, but it was too deep for Skeeter to jump in & out of, so I tried to cut a hole in the side. The plastic split all the way to the base, cracked, broke off -- completely unusable. How do you get an entry hole in these things??? We tried a case cutter and a skilsaw, with the same results both times...
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Monique Y. Mudama - 30 Dec 2004 19:48 GMT > I got one of those 50+ gallon bins at WalMart, but it was too deep for > Skeeter to jump in & out of, so I tried to cut a hole in the side. The > plastic split all the way to the base, cracked, broke off -- completely > unusable. How do you get an entry hole in these things??? We tried a case > cutter and a skilsaw, with the same results both times... The bin I got was actually designed to be an under-the-bed storage container. It's a shallow, see-through plastic thing that might be (wild guess here) 2'x3'. It came with a lid. It's deeper than a standard litterbox, but plenty low for Oscar to see the contents and hop in. Again, WAG, but maybe 4 or 5 inches?
It might not work for older or injured cats ...
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Yowie - 30 Dec 2004 23:18 GMT > <trim> > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > unusable. How do you get an entry hole in these things??? We tried a > case cutter and a skilsaw, with the same results both times... Do this in the open, or even better, with a gas mask on, but if you heat up some coat hanger wire with a cigarette lighter, gas burner etc etc, and then use the hot wire to melt your way through, the base is less likely to crack. This works on low density polyethylene plastic, YMMV on other types. It will stink however, and the gasses produced are not the best to inhale, so be careful.
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Ted Davis - 30 Dec 2004 16:41 GMT >Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the kind that >fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those that I can turn [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >external faucets with some sort of insulated cover. So I find the liners to >be an absolute necessity. You don't have a bathtub or shower? It would never occur to me to use the kitchen sink.
There are adaptors that replace aerators on faucets to allow connecting a garden hose to the inside faucet.
While I do have a suitable utility sink, I still wash the sieve, inside of the pan, and kick rings in the pan, then scrub off the outside with of the pan with the still wet scrub brush.
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jmcquown - 30 Dec 2004 17:48 GMT >> Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the >> kind that fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You don't have a bathtub or shower? It would never occur to me to use > the kitchen sink. I do have a bathtub and a shower - but they tend to get clogged and slow-running with just my hair (which is baby fine). It wouldn't occur to me to wash out remnants of litter and poo down the shower drain. At least my kitchen sink has a disposal ;)
> There are adaptors that replace aerators on faucets to allow > connecting a garden hose to the inside faucet. Yes, there are, if you want to haul an outside garden hose into your apartment. :)
Jill
> While I do have a suitable utility sink, I still wash the sieve, > inside of the pan, and kick rings in the pan, then scrub off the > outside with of the pan with the still wet scrub brush. Monique Y. Mudama - 30 Dec 2004 19:54 GMT > I do have a bathtub and a shower - but they tend to get clogged and > slow-running with just my hair (which is baby fine). It wouldn't occur to > me to wash out remnants of litter and poo down the shower drain. At least > my kitchen sink has a disposal ;) As a young and naive cat-owner living in an apartment, I once tried to clean up clumping litter on the bathroom floor using a water and soap approach.
Don't ever do that.
I would tend to agree that dumping litter remnants down bathroom drains would necessitate frequent and liberal use of liquid plumber, or possibly the real live version.
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jmcquown - 30 Dec 2004 21:41 GMT >> I do have a bathtub and a shower - but they tend to get clogged and >> slow-running with just my hair (which is baby fine). It wouldn't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Don't ever do that. LOL!
> I would tend to agree that dumping litter remnants down bathroom > drains would necessitate frequent and liberal use of liquid plumber, > or possibly the real live version. I'm sure my apartment manager would just LOVE me to call and ask them to send a plumber only to find the drain was clogged with cat litter. They are very helpful about fixing problems but in this instance, guess who would be handed the bill? <G>
Jill
CK - 30 Dec 2004 16:50 GMT We use wood pellet litter, which breaks up into wood dust, well, wet wood dust, when peed on. Earlier we used to use a few layers of newspaper on the bottom of the litter pan, but now we don't have anything but the pellets. DH is the "assigned litter pan technician", so he regularly changes the whole contents of the pan (usually when most of the pellets have turned into dust and scooping wouldn't leave much to do doo-doos in anymore) and washes the pan with a detergent containing chorine under the shower tap - which makes the kitties a bit high - the chorine, not the shower.
Now with the two kitties, however, we're considering getting a "sifting litter pan" designed espesially for the wood pellet litter. It sifts through the wood dust and leaves the intact pellets, making scooping and cleaning heaps easier. Here's a link to the manufacturer's site: http://www.peewee.se/ There is an English version of the site too - click on the English flag - but the "How it works" -page doesn't seem to work there. In the Swedish version the pic (not animated) is under "Så fungerar det" and in the Finnish one under "Näin se toimii", where the pic is even animated - emptying the litter through the bottom into the second pan underneath.
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Bill Stock - 30 Dec 2004 16:59 GMT > We use wood pellet litter, which breaks up into wood dust, well, wet wood > dust, when peed on. Earlier we used to use a few layers of newspaper on [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > animated - emptying the litter through the bottom into the second pan > underneath. Looks interesting. We use the enclosed litter boxes, with the strainer for clumping litter.
I was trying to read the Norwegian "How it works". :) I see an awful lot about 'kiss'ing the litter tray in there. I don't think so. :)
CK - 30 Dec 2004 17:12 GMT > Looks interesting. We use the enclosed litter boxes, with the strainer for > clumping litter. > > I was trying to read the Norwegian "How it works". :) I see an awful lot > about 'kiss'ing the litter tray in there. I don't think so. :) That must have been the Swedish version as the Norwegian doesn't work either - gives me an error msg and no page at all. "kiss" is Swedish for pee. Definitely not similar to kissing in English... :)
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Marina - 31 Dec 2004 10:06 GMT >> Looks interesting. We use the enclosed litter boxes, with the strainer >> for clumping litter. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > either - gives me an error msg and no page at all. "kiss" is Swedish for > pee. Definitely not similar to kissing in English... :) LOL, and puss is kiss. ;o)
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Bill Stock - 31 Dec 2004 17:37 GMT >>> Looks interesting. We use the enclosed litter boxes, with the strainer >>> for clumping litter. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > LOL, and puss is kiss. ;o) This is good information, in the event I meet the Swedish Bikini Team (NFL).
:) Adrian - 31 Dec 2004 14:42 GMT >> Looks interesting. We use the enclosed litter boxes, with the >> strainer for clumping litter. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > either - gives me an error msg and no page at all. "kiss" is Swedish > for pee. Definitely not similar to kissing in English... :) Remind me not to ask a Swedish person to kiss me. ;-)
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Kreisleriana - 30 Dec 2004 18:12 GMT >Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the kind that >fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those that I can turn [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >If you use pan liners, what is your preference? If you don't, why would you >rather not? I love them. I thnk they are a major technological advance. ;) I couldn't live without them. My favorite are the jumbo Jonny Cat ones with the drawstring.
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Seanette Blaylock - 30 Dec 2004 19:56 GMT "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> had some very interesting things to say about Cat Pan Liners - what's your take?:
>Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the kind that >fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those that I can turn [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >external faucets with some sort of insulated cover. So I find the liners to >be an absolute necessity. Tried them, Felix digs too enthusiastically for them to be practical [he shreds them].
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL mlbriggs - 31 Dec 2004 06:06 GMT > Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the kind that > fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those that I can turn [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Jill I don't use liners anymore because the cat's claws ripped them. I scoop several times a day and change pans about every week (I use two). I rinse the pan with a clorox mixture then put that down the toilet. I then wash the pan in the shower (hand held shower).
Stormin Mormon - 01 Jan 2005 18:11 GMT When I had Ruffus some years ago, I used to just upend the cat tray into a large heavy duty construction type garbage bag. That did the job nicely, and sent it all otu with the trash.
Skimming and then trying to flush the lumps clogged my toilet drain. The $23 "Ridgid closet auger" freed up my toilet drain after that.
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Do you use litter pan liners? I prefer to use them and like the kind that fit entirely over the pan (like a garbage bag). Those that I can turn inside out so the litter and 'deposits' fall inside and dump every week (yes, I scoop and replenish litter daily).
But I know some people who prefer to go lining-less and after regular scooping just wash the pan out every week. I'm afraid I'm much too lazy a cleaner to do that.
If you use pan liners, what is your preference? If you don't, why would you rather not?
I should probably mention I have only a single sink in the kitchen and Persia's litter pan is bigger than the sink! Even with the liners, in the summer I take it outside and hose it off. In the winter they block off the external faucets with some sort of insulated cover. So I find the liners to be an absolute necessity.
Jill
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