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Ginger-lyn Summer - 27 Dec 2004 20:32 GMT
Most of you probably remember my awful animal-abusing next-door
neighbors from whom I rescued Arthur and Morganna, and who were
ultimately evicted.

Well, the apartment is still empty.  The landlord had it repainted and
thoroughly cleaned.

It's been below freezing here lately (and boy, do I *hate* cold!).
Since I'm quasi-apartment-manager, I decided yesterday that it might
be a good idea to go check the apartment to make sure the bitter cold
hadn't caused any problems.

We walked in the door to the sound of rushing water.

We skated over the ice on the floor in the dining room to see water
pouring down through the kitchen ceiling.  We gingerly made our way
down the basement steps to see water pouring down there, onto the
concrete.  And no furnace on.

A water pipe against an outside wall apparently broke.  And
apparently, for some unknown reason, the gas company had shut off the
gas, thus causing the former problem.

It's a mess.  Water and ice everywhere.  Floor buckled and ruined.
Kitchen ceiling ruined.  There is a several-inch-thick block of ice
covering the back door outside.  Which no one (and there *had* to
people who saw it) bothered to tell anyone about.  We were holed up in
here for the holidays, and didn't go out back until DH had to take out
the trash and I heard him scream "OMG!".

The landlord had put me together with a carpet guy to select carpeting
for the apartment.  The carpet guy, luckily, had an emergency Friday
and couldn't make it.  Then again, if he *had* come, maybe we would
have caught this earlier.

I feel so badly for the landlord.  He had to evict another tenant, who
had lived there longer than I've lived here (over 18 years).  He had
that one rehabbed a few years ago, and it is trashed.

He's not your typical rich-guy slumlord.  He works for Childrens'
Services, for heaven's sake.  And he has just been scr*w*d lately by
bad tenants and bad luck.  Maybe the power of purr would help his luck
to change?

And I am convinced that apartment from next door is *cursed*!

Ginger-lyn
Yowie - 27 Dec 2004 21:10 GMT
> Most of you probably remember my awful animal-abusing next-door
> neighbors from whom I rescued Arthur and Morganna, and who were
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> bad tenants and bad luck.  Maybe the power of purr would help his luck
> to change?

I'm all for purring for good landlords - they're a rare beast and precious
when you find them (at least, over here in Oz anyway)

> And I am convinced that apartment from next door is *cursed*!

You know how to fix that ;-)

Yowie
Jo Firey - 27 Dec 2004 21:11 GMT
I can only hope that either the gas company or his insurance will be
responsible for the damage.

Purrs on the way for a nice landlord who deserves better.

Jo
> Most of you probably remember my awful animal-abusing next-door
> neighbors from whom I rescued Arthur and Morganna, and who were
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>
> Ginger-lyn
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 28 Dec 2004 02:32 GMT
> I can only hope that either the gas company or his insurance will be
> responsible for the damage.

Well, it differs from place to place, but here in Southern
California, the gas is ALWAYS turned off if an apartment is
vacant!  (They often leave the electric connected, and just
change it to the new tenant's name when the time comes, but
gas is too dangerous to leave unsupervised for any length of
time.)
Jo Firey - 28 Dec 2004 03:50 GMT
>> I can only hope that either the gas company or his insurance will be
>> responsible for the damage.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> time comes, but gas is too dangerous to leave unsupervised for any length
> of time.)

Which makes some sense in Southern California.  But not so much in a place
where the pipes are going to freeze.

In this area most of the house fires are in homes where the utilities have
been cut off for non payment, leaving the tenants to use candles, etc.

Jo
jmcquown - 28 Dec 2004 15:23 GMT
>>> I can only hope that either the gas company or his insurance will be
>>> responsible for the damage.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Jo

Besides, as long as the bill is paid how are they to know it's vacant?  Or
really care?

Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 29 Dec 2004 22:32 GMT
>>>>I can only hope that either the gas company or his insurance will be
>>>>responsible for the damage.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Besides, as long as the bill is paid how are they to know it's vacant?  Or
> really care?

You don't notify your utility companies when you move?  Why
would you pay for utilities when you are no longer a tenant
on the property?
jmcquown - 30 Dec 2004 09:30 GMT
>>>>> I can only hope that either the gas company or his insurance will
>>>>> be responsible for the damage.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> would you pay for utilities when you are no longer a tenant
> on the property?

I gathered from the original post the gas was not supposed to have been shut
off - I assumed the landlord was paying it not the former tenant.

Jill
Ginger-lyn Summer - 30 Dec 2004 19:45 GMT
>I gathered from the original post the gas was not supposed to have been shut
>off - I assumed the landlord was paying it not the former tenant.
>
>Jill

Yep, that was supposed to be the case.  I'm waiting here today for the
gas company to come and turn it back on.  We still don't know exactly
what happened, but apparently, they turned it off, someone else turned
it back on (?!), and they turned it off again, to the point of
removing the meter!  Very strange, indeed.  Hopefully, they'll show up
and get it back on today.  At least the water stopped leaking,
although there was still ice on the floor when I was over there the
other day with the carpet guy (that will have to wait for awhile,
obviously!  At least that hadn't just been done before this
happened.).

Ginger-lyn
polonca12000 - 27 Dec 2004 21:48 GMT
Lots of purrs for the landlord and you, Ginger-lyn,
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Polonca & Soncek

<snip>
> I feel so badly for the landlord.  He had to evict another tenant, who
> had lived there longer than I've lived here (over 18 years).  He had
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Ginger-lyn
Stormin Mormon - 27 Dec 2004 22:03 GMT
Wow, that's tragic. Never under estimate water damage. Which is tragic. But
glad you caught it before there were five inches of ice on the living room
floor.

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Christopher A. Young
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    www.lds.org
    www.mormons.com

Most of you probably remember my awful animal-abusing next-door
neighbors from whom I rescued Arthur and Morganna, and who were
ultimately evicted.

Well, the apartment is still empty.  The landlord had it repainted and
thoroughly cleaned.

It's been below freezing here lately (and boy, do I *hate* cold!).
Since I'm quasi-apartment-manager, I decided yesterday that it might
be a good idea to go check the apartment to make sure the bitter cold
hadn't caused any problems.

We walked in the door to the sound of rushing water.

We skated over the ice on the floor in the dining room to see water
pouring down through the kitchen ceiling.  We gingerly made our way
down the basement steps to see water pouring down there, onto the
concrete.  And no furnace on.

A water pipe against an outside wall apparently broke.  And
apparently, for some unknown reason, the gas company had shut off the
gas, thus causing the former problem.

It's a mess.  Water and ice everywhere.  Floor buckled and ruined.
Kitchen ceiling ruined.  There is a several-inch-thick block of ice
covering the back door outside.  Which no one (and there *had* to
people who saw it) bothered to tell anyone about.  We were holed up in
here for the holidays, and didn't go out back until DH had to take out
the trash and I heard him scream "OMG!".

The landlord had put me together with a carpet guy to select carpeting
for the apartment.  The carpet guy, luckily, had an emergency Friday
and couldn't make it.  Then again, if he *had* come, maybe we would
have caught this earlier.

I feel so badly for the landlord.  He had to evict another tenant, who
had lived there longer than I've lived here (over 18 years).  He had
that one rehabbed a few years ago, and it is trashed.

He's not your typical rich-guy slumlord.  He works for Childrens'
Services, for heaven's sake.  And he has just been scr*w*d lately by
bad tenants and bad luck.  Maybe the power of purr would help his luck
to change?

And I am convinced that apartment from next door is *cursed*!

Ginger-lyn
mlbriggs - 27 Dec 2004 22:08 GMT
> Most of you probably remember my awful animal-abusing next-door
> neighbors from whom I rescued Arthur and Morganna, and who were
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>
> Ginger-lyn

Don;t know about a curse, but it certainly is neglected.   Purrs that the
landlord will be able to get it fixed properly and will therefore be able
to attract proper tenants.  We send purrs for a happier new Year.  MLB
Sherry - 27 Dec 2004 22:39 GMT
>I feel so badly for the landlord.  He had to evict another tenant, who
>had lived there longer than I've lived here (over 18 years).  He had
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Ginger-lyn

What a nightmare. We got out of the rental business. We got gigged in every way
imaginable the last year and got sick of it. The worst part is, the people that
screwed us the worst were people we had honestly tried to help. We started not
to trust anybody and that's when we decided the rental business was turning us
into jerks so we quit. We always wanted not invade anybody's privacy and we
never checked on the houses. When our last tenant vacated, we found the carpet
ripped up, the house painted bright red on the inside, and a leak in the
bathroom that had leaked so long it ruined the floor. With the other house, the
tenant didn't bother telling us he'd had his gas cut off, so he just left. The
washer pipes froze and burst, leaving us the mess you described.
Weirdly enough, this was the first time EVER that both houses were occupied by
non-pet-owners. Pet owners are more responsible people I guess.
Sherry
jmcquown - 27 Dec 2004 23:44 GMT
>> I feel so badly for the landlord.  He had to evict another tenant,
>> who
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> is, the people that screwed us the worst were people we had honestly
> tried to help.
(snippage)
> Sherry

My long-lost, John, owns 4 rental properties.  This last year, along with
everything else he's had to deal with, he's had bad tenants leaving the
apartments (small Victorian houses divided into apartments and one small
single home) in shambles.  Hardwood floors a mess (thanks to a couple
letting their kids skateboard in the house), holes in walls, etc.  And
these, too, were people he was trying to "help".  He's not being so helpful
anymore.  It's not my place but I've suggested he sell the properties to rid
himself of the headaches.

Jill
Napoleon@myeweb.com - 30 Dec 2004 00:45 GMT
> >I feel so badly for the landlord.  He had to evict another tenant, who
> >had lived there longer than I've lived here (over 18 years).  He had
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> >
> >Ginger-lyn

> What a nightmare. We got out of the rental business. We got gigged in every way
> imaginable the last year and got sick of it. The worst part is, the people that
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> non-pet-owners. Pet owners are more responsible people I guess.
> Sherry

People generally have negative opinions of the larger companies
involved in renting out apartments because they perceive them to be too
inflexible, but to a large extent things like this are the reason that
they act that way.  If you don't screen out applicants whose past
raises red flags, over time you're  going to end up with tenants
skipping out and/or trashing the place.  Of course, not every applicant
who doesn't meet the standards you set is going to be a bad tenant.
There are people who might not look good on paper but won't be a
problem (like a woman getting out of a bad marriage with no recent
rental history and a credit history that's been messed up by an
ex-husband's actions) and unfortunately they have problems renting
because the bad apples cause many landlords, especially the corporate
ones, to be unwilling to take chances.
Sherry - 31 Dec 2004 04:49 GMT
>People generally have negative opinions of the larger companies
>involved in renting out apartments because they perceive them to be too
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>because the bad apples cause many landlords, especially the corporate
>ones, to be unwilling to take chances.

I was a sucky landlady. I believed every story that came down the pike, and had
this foolish naive notion that if we were awesome landlords, kept the rent low,
fixed anything immediately and never bothered the tenants' privacy for
inspections and such, we'd get good people and in turn, would treat us fair by
taking care of the house and staying longterm.  It didn't work that way. The
reason we quit is that we weren't hard-*ssed enough to stick up for ourselves
and got gigged every time.
I don't want the extra income if I have to be an *sshole to make it work.
Tanada - 27 Dec 2004 22:45 GMT
> He's not your typical rich-guy slumlord.  He works for Childrens'
> Services, for heaven's sake.  And he has just been scr*w*d lately by
> bad tenants and bad luck.  Maybe the power of purr would help his luck
> to change?
>
> And I am convinced that apartment from next door is *cursed*!

Purrs and better times thoughts for one of the good ones.  Hope things
improve for you all soon.  Do you think a cleansing would help on the
apartment?

Pam S. wondering
Ginger-lyn Summer - 27 Dec 2004 23:13 GMT
>> He's not your typical rich-guy slumlord.  He works for Childrens'
>> Services, for heaven's sake.  And he has just been scr*w*d lately by
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Pam S. wondering

Pam, I've done it.  And done it.  And done it.

The first time, (I kid you not), a dark man knocked at the door at
midnight during the cleansing.  Shiver.  That first time, the tenants
had moved (SENSITIVITY WARNING) and left a kitten behind, who died in
the basement.  I have even done a ritual to honor the spirit of the
kitten.  I am at a loss.  All I can figure is that this is something
beyond my abilities, or that I am still so spiritually wrapped up with
that kitten that I can't properly do it.  I've asked one friend, (HPS
and store owner) who wasn't comfortable doing it.  So I'm going to ask
another HP (and former store owner) and see if he is willing.  I just
do not know what else to do :-(  There certainly is some *very*, very
negative energy there that just will not let go.

Ginger-lyn
Denise VanDyke - 27 Dec 2004 23:29 GMT
>>>He's not your typical rich-guy slumlord.  He works for Childrens'
>>>Services, for heaven's sake.  And he has just been scr*w*d lately by
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Ginger-lyn

I'm not up on this stuff like I used to think I was, but is there a
group of practitioners who would maybe be willing to work together and
see if combining energies/methods might work?  Just in case this is
something stronger than "usual"?  I don't suppose that doing another
ritual to honor the kitten and any other spirits might help - a little
less specific than before, maybe?  Maybe with a feline assistant -
assuming both you and the cat are willing, of course - to "speak the
language" of the kitten?  Just tossing around ideas.

- Denise Brennasmeowmy
Dan M - 28 Dec 2004 00:12 GMT
> I'm not up on this stuff like I used to think I was, but is there a
> group of practitioners who would maybe be willing to work together and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> assuming both you and the cat are willing, of course - to "speak the
> language" of the kitten?  Just tossing around ideas.

That was my thought. A group work, and if a kitty companion could be
found who was willing to enter the area, that would probably be of help
too.

Dan
Mathew Kagis - 28 Dec 2004 09:43 GMT
> > I'm not up on this stuff like I used to think I was, but is there a
> > group of practitioners who would maybe be willing to work together and
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Dan

  Agreed, along with (Just throwing ideas around too) a group human ritual.
Perhaps a circle with several like minded people, followed with a safe space
ritual, may help. Blessed Be.
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Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas

Ginger-lyn Summer - 28 Dec 2004 19:26 GMT
>> > I'm not up on this stuff like I used to think I was, but is there a
>> > group of practitioners who would maybe be willing to work together and
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>Perhaps a circle with several like minded people, followed with a safe space
>ritual, may help. Blessed Be.

You know, I think all three of you may be on to something there.  I
will see what I can come up with, and if any of my crew is willing to
volunteer.  Internet oozes good energy and is attracted to it wherever
it is; maybe he can create some as well.

Ginger-lyn
jmcquown - 27 Dec 2004 23:33 GMT
> We walked in the door to the sound of rushing water.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> A water pipe against an outside wall apparently broke.  > And I am
convinced that apartment from next door is *cursed*!

> Ginger-lyn

Purrs on the way.  Hopefully (as Jo mentioned) the gas company will cover
the damages if the bill was paid up and they shut off the gas in error.

Jill
Irulan - 28 Dec 2004 00:43 GMT
Purrs and prayers that the cursed apartment isn't, and can be repaired for a
minimum cost (though I doubt it the way you described it). And may you get
decent neighbors next time.
Jazz & his mama

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Irulan
from the stars we come
to the stars we return
from now until the end of time

> Most of you probably remember my awful animal-abusing next-door
> neighbors from whom I rescued Arthur and Morganna, and who were
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>
> Ginger-lyn
Elise - 28 Dec 2004 01:31 GMT
> I feel so badly for the landlord.  He had to evict another tenant, who
> had lived there longer than I've lived here (over 18 years).  He had
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Ginger-lyn

Purrs for a good landlord's run of luck to improve rapidly
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SUQKRT - 28 Dec 2004 18:59 GMT
>And I am convinced that apartment from next door is *cursed*!
>
>Ginger-lyn

Purrs for your landlord.
Suz
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