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news - 26 Dec 2004 01:39 GMT
It is the state of the matter that the classic stereotype about cats and
dogs is that they are natural enemies. Like oil and water. This is true and
not true. When a cat and a dog grow up together starting as kitten and
puppy, they grow accustomed together. They become friends. But when a
stranger cat and dog meet they are enemies, simply because they are NOT
accustomed to each other. So, my point in thi spost is that cats and dogs
are not natural enemies, or natural friends. But it isn' t reccomended that
you would experiment with this! Please do not, for the sake of the animals,
and ask the experts to see if I'm right. Thank you for reading.
Kreisleriana - 26 Dec 2004 01:51 GMT
>It is the state of the matter that the classic stereotype about cats and
>dogs is that they are natural enemies. Like oil and water. This is true and
>not true. When a cat and a dog grow up together starting as kitten and
>puppy, they grow accustomed together. They become friends. But when a
>stranger cat and dog meet they are enemies, simply because they are NOT
>accustomed to each other.

Doesn't this depend on whether or not they are familiar with other
dogs or cats?
I think we have enough anecdotal evidence on this ng to suggest that
you can't assume too much about cats' behavior.  

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Howard Berkowitz - 26 Dec 2004 01:56 GMT
> It is the state of the matter that the classic stereotype about cats and
> dogs is that they are natural enemies. Like oil and water. This is true
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> animals,
> and ask the experts to see if I'm right. Thank you for reading.

Clifford (RB), who was a planned kitten, apparently wobbled over to the
nearby litter of puppies as soon as he was sufficiently mobile. He was
always entranced by canines on TV, but ignored felines [1]. He'd jump on
top of the bookcase and howl at the circular light fixture.

I don't think he ever interacted with a dog as an adult, but I'm at
least suspicious that he thought he was a dog. He and Chatterley (RB)
never, in 12 years or so, managed to stop fighting -- he always regarder
her as something to chase.

[1] The other thing that would fascinate him on TV was any speech
   by Bill Clinton. Clifford would sit down and watch the entire
   90 minutes or so of the State of the Union Address each year.
   I have no explanation of this activity.
jmcquown - 26 Dec 2004 02:04 GMT
> [1] The other thing that would fascinate him on TV was any speech
>     by Bill Clinton. Clifford would sit down and watch the entire
>     90 minutes or so of the State of the Union Address each year.
>     I have no explanation of this activity.

Reporting back to the Mothership, no doubt.

Jill
Kreisleriana - 26 Dec 2004 04:17 GMT
>> [1] The other thing that would fascinate him on TV was any speech
>>     by Bill Clinton. Clifford would sit down and watch the entire
>>     90 minutes or so of the State of the Union Address each year.
>>     I have no explanation of this activity.
>
>Reporting back to the Mothership, no doubt.

Or acting as a go-between?  ;)

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Yowie - 26 Dec 2004 11:40 GMT
<snip>

> [1] The other thing that would fascinate him on TV was any speech
>     by Bill Clinton. Clifford would sit down and watch the entire
>     90 minutes or so of the State of the Union Address each year.
>     I have no explanation of this activity.

Clifford was a masochist?

Or perhaps he thought it was stand-up comedy?

Yowie
All 90-minute long political speeches, doens't matter what the party, are
painful to watch, unless of course you mistake them for a comedy gig.
Howard Berkowitz - 26 Dec 2004 22:46 GMT
> <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> All 90-minute long political speeches, doens't matter what the party, are
> painful to watch, unless of course you mistake them for a comedy gig.

More likely the latter. Clifford had an extremely well-developed sense
of humor. He was never burdened by cat dignity as "I _meant_ to back off
the bed," but would look up and give his equivalent of a chuckle.
Monique Y. Mudama - 27 Dec 2004 19:09 GMT
> Yowie All 90-minute long political speeches, doens't matter what the party,
> are painful to watch, unless of course you mistake them for a comedy gig.

That's why it's best to watch such things on Comedy Central, where they're
given the treatment they deserve.

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Howard Berkowitz - 27 Dec 2004 21:38 GMT
> > Yowie All 90-minute long political speeches, doens't matter what the
> > party,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> they're
> given the treatment they deserve.

That will work some of the time, but when one has special events such as
the California gubernatorial circus, frequent reality checks are
necessary. The Arnold and Ariana Show was too implausible for Saturday
Night Live.
Monique Y. Mudama - 26 Dec 2004 02:16 GMT
> It is the state of the matter that the classic stereotype about cats and
> dogs is that they are natural enemies. Like oil and water. This is true and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> you would experiment with this! Please do not, for the sake of the animals,
> and ask the experts to see if I'm right. Thank you for reading.

I got a kitten when my dog was an old man.  Though my dog was a long-time cat
chaser (not something I encouraged, but it happened), he got along just fine
with the kitten.

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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Dec 2004 02:20 GMT
> I got a kitten when my dog was an old man.  Though my dog was a
> long-time cat chaser (not something I encouraged, but it happened),
> he got along just fine with the kitten.

A friend of mine has an old dog, a large, very affable mutt. Last
year she fostered a feral kitten, who was afraid of everyone and
wouldn't let anyone hear him. But the minute he saw the dog, he went
trotting right up to her, flung himself on her and started kneading
and purring. This is a go-with-the-flow kind of dog, so she just lay
there, all relaxed, while her tail flopped up and down lazily. "Hey,
it's all good," is her motto. :)

My friend ended up adopting the kitten (what a surprise). The kitty is
still somewhat skittish around humans, but he and the dog are now best
buddies.

Joyce
Monique Y. Mudama - 26 Dec 2004 04:15 GMT
> My friend ended up adopting the kitten (what a surprise). The kitty is still
> somewhat skittish around humans, but he and the dog are now best buddies.

Too cute =)

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Jo Firey - 26 Dec 2004 03:55 GMT
>> It is the state of the matter that the classic stereotype about cats and
>> dogs is that they are natural enemies. Like oil and water. This is true
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> fine
> with the kitten.

Most well socialized house pet type dogs are able to handle the distinction
between cats and "our cat"

Jo
Steve Touchstone - 26 Dec 2004 18:03 GMT
>It is the state of the matter that the classic stereotype about cats and
>dogs is that they are natural enemies. Like oil and water. This is true and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>you would experiment with this! Please do not, for the sake of the animals,
>and ask the experts to see if I'm right. Thank you for reading.

I think the thing to remember is that you should never simply plop
down a strange animal and expect it to be accepted. This goes for dogs
meeting other dogs, cats meeting other cats, and, yes, dogs and cats.
While on the subject, where the meeting takes place can also make a
difference. If the meeting is taking place in one of the animal's
territory it may feel the need to defend his/her territory - while the
same two animals may have no problem interacting on neutral ground.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 26 Dec 2004 22:25 GMT
> I think the thing to remember is that you should never simply plop
> down a strange animal and expect it to be accepted. This goes for dogs
> meeting other dogs, cats meeting other cats, and, yes, dogs and cats.

Not to mention new humans. :)

Joyce
O J - 26 Dec 2004 19:32 GMT
>It is the state of the matter that the classic stereotype about cats and
>dogs is that they are natural enemies. Like oil and water.
---------------------<snip>----------------------

This reminds me of the time DH and I had gotten two kittens, Cocoa and
Pickles.  The neighbors had just gotten a puppy.  Neither the kitten
(I forget which one) or the puppy had seen a member of the other
species yet and I was standing at the three-foot chain-link fence
chatting with the neighbor and the puppy and the kitten were both
there.  

They investigated each other with pure curiosity when suddenly you
could swear that the proverbial little light bulbs came on over their
heads.  The puppy started barking at the kitten, having realized that
barking at cats is one of the thing a self-respecting dog is supposed
to do.  The kitten, having never gone into full defensive posture
before turned sideways, fluffed up to maximum size, arched its little
back and reached out with one paw in the typical cat fighting stance.

They barked and spit at each other for a few moments till it was
broken up by the respective humans picking up the animals and shushing
them.  It was just so cute to see their instincts come out of the
background of their tiny minds and take over.

Regards and Purrs,
O J
Sherry - 27 Dec 2004 05:43 GMT
>It is the state of the matter that the classic stereotype about cats and
>dogs is that they are natural enemies. Like oil and water. This is true and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>you would experiment with this! Please do not, for the sake of the animals,
>and ask the experts to see if I'm right. Thank you for reading.

There used to be a poster (does anyone remember?) who had a giant, huge,
massive, most regal German Shephard named Aja. He posted the most precious
picture of this gorgeous animal lying with a little kitten sitting between her
paws.
I always see that picture when someone says "Dogs and cats are natural
enemies."
My dog would have liked to be friends with the cats. Unfortunately they hated
his guts.

Sherry
Seanette Blaylock - 27 Dec 2004 06:02 GMT
sriddles@aol.comkitty (Sherry ) had some very interesting things to
say about Re: Cats and Dogs:

>My dog would have liked to be friends with the cats. Unfortunately they hated
>his guts.

Too bad we can't introduce him to my cat. Felix adores dogs. :-)

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Jo Firey - 27 Dec 2004 07:29 GMT
> There used to be a poster (does anyone remember?) who had a giant, huge,
> massive, most regal German Shephard named Aja. He posted the most precious
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Sherry

I've often wondered what became of a puppy we raised.  He had to have a
strange attachment to cats.

His mom had a c-section and he was a first and only pup.  She wanted nothing
to do with him.  We bottle fed him from birth.  Our male Siamese cat helped
to raise him.  He would go lie in the pups box and keep him warm and come
and get me when the pup got hungry.  Even washed him sometimes.

The pups mom was so bad, she would steal the warm spot in our bed when I had
to get up to fix a bottle for the pup.

And in all fairness, I believe the cat was mostly motivated by trying to
keep the pup quiet.  The whining got on his nerves.  Just glad he didn't
decide to lay on top of him.

Jo
 
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