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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / December 2004Emergency Vet Fund - UPDATE
Bridget and I have talked to Hazel, the holder of the RPCA/Catslaves Emergency Vet Fund. Without airing too much dirty laundry, Hazel has told us that she has been undergoing a very acrimonious divorce from her husband, and before the seperation papers could be finalised he took her to the cleaners. One of the accounts he cleaned out, she is very ashamed and embarassed to admit, was the RPCA/Catslaves emergency fund. She said that she wants to repay it before anyone knew, but at the moment, simply doesn't have the means to do so, and was profoundly sorry. Where does that leave the fund? Unfortunatley, I think that means that whatever was in there (I don't know the exact amount) is pretty much a write off. I don't know how people would feel about forming another, but I'm up for it, because at its heart, it was a darn fine idea. I think whatever risks asscoated with it are worth it, and I didn't give the account any money I couldn't live without. If other people are willing to give the idea another go, please post, and we'll try to work out the details from there. Yowie and Bridget. >Where does that leave the fund? Unfortunatley, I think that means that >whatever was in there (I don't know the exact amount) is pretty much a write [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Yowie and Bridget. It has been a long time since I contributed to that fund. Since then there have been a few occasions where I just called the person's vet and contributed directly to that person with my credit card. That's probably what I will do in the future. Sherry > It has been a long time since I contributed to that fund. Since then there have > been a few occasions where I just called the person's vet and contributed > directly to that person with my credit card. That's probably what I will do in > the future. > > Sherry I'm with Sherry on this. I'll probably always go with paying a vet directly... Now, I'm just going to be a unfavorable witch *sighs*... But it effects all of us and this is just my own personal two cents. Several of the older members have left RPCA for whatever reason. Even I'm not as active as I once was and on some small level I passed the Christmas Card business on when I no longer had enough time to contribute to the group. So in saying that, this isn't against Hazel or any other member that has left or semi-retired from our ranks but... here goes... Hazel no longer participates in RPCA so I've heard. She checks in with the catslaves groups on occassion but for the most part, she doesn't know who or what is going on. Honestly, had I thought about it, I would have assumed she transferred the money into another account for one of the regulars since she has lost touch with so many. Personally *I'd* feel better about the vet fund if it was handled by current and preferrably long-standing members of RPCA. If that member should no longer be able to hold the account due to inactivity, another member should be loosely elected by vet fund contributors. Grace Yes, I like that idea. Remember back in April when I saved that cat from the Rottweilers? I just gave the name of the vet's and people just called in with their credit cards. I still think that was really awesome of people to do that, BTW. Kristi > Where does that leave the fund? Unfortunatley, I think that means that > whatever was in there (I don't know the exact amount) is pretty much a write > off. I don't know how people would feel about forming another, but I'm up > for it, because at its heart, it was a darn fine idea. I think whatever > risks asscoated with it are worth it, and I didn't give the account any > money I couldn't live without. I'm no accountant or lawyer, but can't one avoid this kind of mess by incorporating? Aren't business assets considered separate from personal assets, at least in the US? Anyone have a firmer grasp on this than do I?  Signaturemonique, who is sometimes allowed to pet Oscar, a grey^H^H^H^Hblue-cream DLH with an attitude! > Bridget and I have talked to Hazel, the holder of the RPCA/Catslaves > Emergency Vet Fund. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Yowie and Bridget. Well, he's just going straight to hell, isn't he? TBird <---- some people aren't worth shedding on >>Without airing too much dirty laundry, Hazel has told us that she has been >>undergoing a very acrimonious divorce from her husband, and before the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>before anyone knew, but at the moment, simply doesn't have the means to do >>so, and was profoundly sorry. Having been through one of those acrimonious divorces, I know that it's often inpossible to predict to what depths the other party will sink. Personally, I bear Hazel no ill will whatsoever, and recognize that it could have happened to anybody. >>If other people are willing to give the idea another go, please post, and >>we'll try to work out the details from there. I'd sure be willing. I'm pretty short on cash right now, but I can usually come up with a few bucks to contribute. Being able to do so via PayPal would be very convenient! > Well, he's just going straight to hell, isn't he? I'd have to agree with that! Dan > Well, he's just going straight to hell, isn't he? > > TBird <---- some people aren't worth shedding on I dunno if you were around here during the latter part of Hazel's postings, but if she's accurate, her ex needs more than shedding on. Pam is a sweet and kind person, and would have done anything rather than have this happen. She under-estimated how nasty the ex could be, probably due to her sweet and kind nature. I can understand her reluctance to let us know about this, it is also probably the reason she hasn't been posting in here either. I'm asking my kitties to purr for Hazelaz, her son, and their cats, and send litter offerings to the ex hubby. Pam S. worrying about Pam H. >I dunno if you were around here during the latter part of Hazel's >postings, but if she's accurate, her ex needs more than shedding on. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Pam S. worrying about Pam H. I really hope that her situation improves, poor Pam. Last I had heard, things seemed to be looking up for her. I hope they still are. >> Well, he's just going straight to hell, isn't he? >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Pam S. worrying about Pam H. The furkids can contribute some litter box offerings and Boomer D*g can send some extremely large, smelly, mushy offerings for the ex, and lots of purrs and d*ggy kisses for Hazelaz, her son, and their cats. As I recall from her postings the ex was and probably still is a real jerk. Nan > > Well, he's just going straight to hell, isn't he? > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > reluctance to let us know about this, it is also probably the reason she > hasn't been posting in here either. Yeah, we didn't want to say anything either, because its Hazel's business, not ours, but because so many people had started to ask.... > I'm asking my kitties to purr for Hazelaz, her son, and their cats, and > send litter offerings to the ex hubby. Yes, purrs and litterbox offerings to the same people (fur or otherwise) Yowie > If other people are willing to give the idea another go, please post, and > we'll try to work out the details from there. Count me in. And dirty litterbox offerings for Pam's ex. SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com Yes, I am all for setting up another fund. I will contribute to start it out. We could set it up as a PAYPAL account, maybe? Just a thought, doesn't have to be that if anyone objects. Let me know. Lydia (Jazz's mom) SignatureIrulan from the stars we come to the stars we return from now until the end of time > Bridget and I have talked to Hazel, the holder of the RPCA/Catslaves > Emergency Vet Fund. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 20/11/04 > If other people are willing to give the idea another go, please post, and > we'll try to work out the details from there. Certainly willing to give it a go, in some form or another? And Hazel should not be carrying the guilt for another's actions, it's the last thing she needs to be dealing with. It sounds like she has had a most traumatic few years without the worry of this as well. ((((((Hazel)))))) Deb. Signaturehttp://www.scientific-art.com "He looked a fierce and quarrelsome cat, but claw he never would; He only bit the ones he loved, because they tasted good." S. Greenfield >Without airing too much dirty laundry, Hazel has told us that she has been >undergoing a very acrimonious divorce from her husband, and before the >seperation papers could be finalised he took her to the cleaners. One of the >accounts he cleaned out, she is very ashamed and embarassed to admit, was >the RPCA/Catslaves emergency fund. Not Hazel's fault. 'Tis the scum's fault. He's another one added to the list of those who deserve something itchy, festering, scabby, warty, oozing and antibiotic resistant occuring on and in the nether regions. Cheers, helen s --This is an invalid email address to avoid spam-- to get correct one remove fame & fortune h*$el*$$e*nd**$o$ts**i*$*$m*m$o*n*s@$*a$o*l.c**$om$ --Due to financial crisis the light at the end of the tunnel is switched off-- Count me in also. I've done both, contributed to the fund and sent to the vet, found neither to be "better" than the other. Will do whatever is needed. Regards and best thoughts to Hazel, I've missed her. Charleen Mr. Pumpkin Aggie Marble Victor Velcro > Count me in also. I've done both, contributed to the fund and sent to the > vet, found neither to be "better" than the other. Will do whatever is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Aggie Marble > Victor Velcro Charleen said it so well for me also (thanks)........... Lorna Chessie......also known as my "Tisser cat" and "my itty-bitty titter-tat" Nikki........often called "Nik-Nik" or my "squeezy Pooh cat" Hi there: Hazel has had a terrible time and I want her to know that, of course, nobody would blame her for that. She's had more than a lot on her plate. I'd be willing to recontribute, though it also seems that VISA payments to vets work pretty well. Works well for me as CDN as well - my cheques often can't get cashed for some unknown reason in the USA. Susan M Otis and Chester > Bridget and I have talked to Hazel, the holder of the RPCA/Catslaves > Emergency Vet Fund. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 20/11/04 I'm a lurker and infrequent poster, but I've been here for many years and always before when the call went out for $$ I wasn't in a position to donate. I've had a good year and all is well with me and mine so if a plan is figured out to create a fund, count me in. Maybe an existing fund is the way to go (rather than donating when the emergency arises) so we could donate when we had the bucks and some funds would always be available. I am so sorry for Hazel, and I know that when your life is going to crap on you, you don't always think of the small details, like his name on all the accounts. What a rat bastard. (sounds like something my ex would have done if he'd thought of it) Cindy >If other people are willing to give the idea another go, please post, and >we'll try to work out the details from there. > >Yowie and Bridget. Please let Pam/Hazel know that what her hubby dis was not her fault. I think starting a new Fund would be great. Have a USAian and at least one oversea (to me) person would help. Maybe a Catfund Paypal account? Suz Macmoosette =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= =^..^= "People that hate cats will come back as mice in their next life." --Faith Resnick |\__/| (=':'=) (")_(") >Bridget and I have talked to Hazel, the holder of the RPCA/Catslaves >Emergency Vet Fund. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 20/11/04 I would truly like to see it be reborn. I cannot tell you all how much it meant to me and helped me when Brando blocked nearly four years ago. And I did pay every cent back, although it took me a few months. I think Grace has some good ideas about it -- I do think perhaps there should be *two* members with access to it, just in case, or something along that line. Like a managing board of directors or something. I think it's great if people just want to help out with vet bills directlly, too, but I also think a central fund is a good idea. Again, I can't tell you all how deeply grateful I was to have that infant fund help out me and my beautiful Brando boy. I would love to see this begin again so it can help others as well. Ginger-lyn just rambling, not awake, gotta run out and buy the kitties' catnip pillows for Yule! > Bridget and I have talked to Hazel, the holder of the RPCA/Catslaves > Emergency Vet Fund. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Yowie and Bridget. Hugs and purrs for Hazelaz - not her fault, I know all about exes and the harm they can do! Count me in! There are so many times that a vet bill is just not affordable and it can be *SO* heartbreaking when we have to choose between the life of a loved one and paying the rent! Most bets won't take payments, they want the full amount up front, so if there was a fund to pay that and then to pay back in "installments", that would be a lifesaver for a lot of dear people. I agree about a PayPal account. The one Victor set up for Bridget seemed to work very well - we could use a bank with a "group" account for the back end. Hugs, CatNipped Lots of purrs, hugs and best wishes for Hazel and her son, SignaturePolonca & Soncek > Bridget and I have talked to Hazel, the holder of the RPCA/Catslaves > Emergency Vet Fund. > > Without airing too much dirty laundry, Hazel has told us that she has been > undergoing a very acrimonious divorce from her husband<snip Ok For those who want to contibute to a Vet Fund (this does not stop anyone from paying a vet directly via a credit card, whether a member of the fund or not) Here's my thoughts (please contribute your own and discuss) Since the majority of our members are in the USA it would make sense that the fund be located in the USA and deal in US dollars (the defacto international currency) Ideally, it would need two signatures to access the money, although any number of people could be signatories. Ideally, PayPal could be used to donate Ideally, it would also have its own credit card, which could be used to pay whichever vet needed to be paid ideally, it would be very quick response, once the members decide that a vet is going to be paid and how much, that money needs to be able to get there ASAP Ideally, some person who is not a signatory should be the "auditor" Ideally, every member could get a statement as to account balance, payments in (although payments can be anonymous) and where the payments went Ideally, bank fees and other costs should be kept to an absolute minimum Therefore it seems to me that we are setting up something like a charitable or not for profit organisation that has "shareholders" and is subject to auditing etc etc. Something like a friendly society or something that does "interest free loans" to its members for the specific purpose of emergency vet bills. I don't know how these work in Australia, let alone the USA. Any person with any clue in the financial sector that deals with this stuff would be most welcome. Those with any other concepts of what their ideal emergency vet fund would be like, please post. Yowie > Ideally, PayPal could be used to donate > Ideally, it would also have its own credit card, which could be used to pay > whichever vet needed to be paid I *think* Paypal has a credit card that can be linked to an account, so it could in theory work like a debit card. SignatureVictor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam here: uce@ftc.gov Email me here: pistorLITTER@BOXaustin.rr.com I've read this newsgroup pretty regularly for the past few years, although I don't post very often. I've always been impressed by the willingness of this group to help each other out and have sometimes donated to the vet of a member when I thought it was a deserving cause and I could afford it. I remember when the fund was started and figured that it had continued to help as needed, only very quietly. I'm so sorry for Hazel Az problems and I do remember when she had discussed some of the things she was going through with her husband. I have been fortunate to have a good year and would be glad to donate to the renewed fund, if that should be decided on, or to give directly to the vet of someone in great need. I think those who have been around a long time and regularly, would be the best to administer a fund since they will be familiar with what and where the need is. I'd be happy to be a member. I think idea of donating through PayPal and having a credit card associated with it is a good one, if it can be worked that way. Please count me in and let me know what is decided by the group. Debbie Berry dberry@mitre.org > Ok > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Yowie > Bridget and I have talked to Hazel, the holder of the RPCA/Catslaves > Emergency Vet Fund. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 20/11/04 I like the idea of having the fund available for folks who might not be able to contribute at the time of an emergency, but still want to help. That way they can donate when they can. I personally would feel better about having a point source to donate to, as opposed to calling my credit card numbers to various and sundry places around the globe. Not that I think any vet would do that, but I know how often I write things down on a notepad, and I'm thinking that in a busy practice, things can get overlooked or not disposed of properly. The idea of having more than one person assigned to the account sounds reasonable, and might be a good way to avoid having #$@%#$*() like Pam's ex manage to get ahold of it. I hope Pam's doing better now, and I hope the ex gets what he *really* deserves....and my cats are ready to contribute to that litterbox offering at any time. so...in other words...I'd be happy to see the vet fund re-established. Purrs and best fishes to everyone for a very happy holiday! Chris, Tripper, Katie, and Hazard |
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