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Mogget - 17 Dec 2004 08:30 GMT
I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
advice for me?
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Yoj - 17 Dec 2004 08:40 GMT
> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
> advice for me?

Ouch!  Put ice on it, keep it elevated as much as possible, and take Advil
or another OTC pain reliever.  No, there isn't anything a doctor can do.
Purrs for a quick healing.

Joy
Yowie - 17 Dec 2004 10:04 GMT
> > I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> > going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
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> Ouch!  Put ice on it, keep it elevated as much as possible, and take Advil
> or another OTC pain reliever.  No, there isn't anything a doctor can do.

But you *can* tape it to the next toe along so it doesn't set at a weird
angle or get caught and re-break (that hurts worse than the original break,
I"ve been told). Just get some strapping tape - don't know what you folks
call it - and simply tape your last two toes together. It gives it support,
sets it in the right spot, and stops it snagging. Also stops it swelling too
much (if you catch it early enough)

Otherwise, Joy's advice is spot on.

Yowie
Howard Berkowitz - 17 Dec 2004 17:41 GMT
> > > I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> > > going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done
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>
> Otherwise, Joy's advice is spot on.

Agreed, as long as it isn't visibly out of line, or there's any
significant bleeding. I had to have mine straightened, which the learned
doctor did by sliding a Bic pen down the side -- but that HURT.

I'd add that it is a good idea to put a small amount of padding between
the toes taped together.  The ideal substance is compressed absorbent
cotton, but that's more of a hospital item. Regular cotton, or perhaps a
double-over 2x2 gauze pad, will work.

Try to use paper adhesive tape so you can pull it off gently.  For the
first 48 hours, try to keep it elevated, and apply ice. Over-the-counter
pain medications should suffice; I'd recommend acetaminophen/paracetamol
or ibuprofen rather than aspirin.  After 48 hours, moist heat will help
swelling and discomfort.
Sherry - 17 Dec 2004 11:07 GMT
>'m convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
>going to my doc about this?

Well, no. The most he'd do is stabilize it with one of those orthopedic open
shoe-things and give you a pain reliever.
My sister broke the bathroom door in on my toe once and broke it. There is
*nothing* that hurts worse. Purrs!!
Sherry
Karen - 17 Dec 2004 17:14 GMT
> >'m convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> >going to my doc about this?
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> *nothing* that hurts worse. Purrs!!
> Sherry

Ususally the best course is to find the best shoes you have that provide
support and wear those. Bummer. That hurts.
Marina - 17 Dec 2004 18:07 GMT
> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
> advice for me?

I don't have any advice, but will send heas of purrs for the owie.

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TBird - 17 Dec 2004 18:12 GMT
I break my little toe 3-4 times a year.  Nothing to be done but wait for it
to heal.  You can tape it to the next to if you feel better for doing so.

Usually I just keep stubbing it and stubbing it.  Then it finally heals and
I break it again.

TBird <---- queen of OW

> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
> advice for me?
mlbriggs - 17 Dec 2004 18:34 GMT
> I break my little toe 3-4 times a year.  Nothing to be done but wait for it
> to heal.  You can tape it to the next to if you feel better for doing so.
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>> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
>> advice for me?

T-Bird   Give wearing slippers or shoes a try.   MLB
TBird - 17 Dec 2004 23:18 GMT
> > I break my little toe 3-4 times a year.  Nothing to be done but wait for it
> > to heal.  You can tape it to the next to if you feel better for doing so.
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>
> T-Bird   Give wearing slippers or shoes a try.   MLB

:-D
LOL!!!

I actually do wear slippers most of the time.
I'm just talented, what can I say.
Oh - and I have extraordinarily long toes.

TBird <--- Sweetie and Joe assure me it has nothing to do with the "don't
step on the cats" dance I do periodically... it's amazing I don't break a
LEG doing that dance
John F. Eldredge - 18 Dec 2004 19:28 GMT
>> > I break my little toe 3-4 times a year.  Nothing to be done but
>> > wait for
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>"don't step on the cats" dance I do periodically... it's amazing I
>don't break a LEG doing that dance

Do you know if your bones are particularly brittle?  You could be
developing osteoporosis, or it could be just that the long toes are
more easily broken.  In either case, it might be advisable to wear
shoes around the house that are sturdy enough to give you some
protection if you bang into furniture.

The one time that I have had a broken bone was my left little finger.
I fell, tried to catch myself, and bent the finger back a lot
further than it was meant to go.  I sprained the joint as well as
broke the bone, and the sprain took considerably longer to heal than
the broken bone did.

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Mogget - 18 Dec 2004 19:40 GMT
>The one time that I have had a broken bone was my left little finger.
> I fell, tried to catch myself, and bent the finger back a lot
>further than it was meant to go.  I sprained the joint as well as
>broke the bone, and the sprain took considerably longer to heal than
>the broken bone did.

Ow!
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Cheryl Perkins - 17 Dec 2004 18:17 GMT
> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
> advice for me?

I think I broke my toe once, but since I didn't go to a doctor, I'm not
sure. I just wore a very loose slipper on that foot (when I couldn't go
barefoot) and waited for it to heal. Which it did, although it was
painful for a while and the whole area of the foot around it swelled up
and turned a remarkable series of colours. The worst of the pain cleared
up reasonably fast, or I probably would have overcome my reluctance to
hobble over to a doctor's office and spend some time in the waiting room.
I tend to be of the 'wait and see if it will go away on its own' school
of thought, rather than the 'take every scratch to the doctor' one,
although my current GP does encourage a certain amount of routine
maintenance.

Wet bathroom floors are not your friend. Especially when someone has
thoughtlessly installed a bathtub in exactly the wrong spot. Is it
bathrooms or kitchens that are supposed to be the most dangerous room in
the house?

I hope your toe heals up quickly.

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John F. Eldredge - 18 Dec 2004 19:30 GMT
>Wet bathroom floors are not your friend. Especially when someone has
> thoughtlessly installed a bathtub in exactly the wrong spot. Is it
>bathrooms or kitchens that are supposed to be the most dangerous
>room in  the house?

A couple of minutes ago, I said that my only broken bone had been a
finger.  Come to think of it, I once slipped while getting out of a
hotel bathtub (they had waxed the bathroom floor), landed on the edge
of the tub, and broke my tailbone.  Unfortunately, there isn't
anything that can be done for such an injury, not even splinting, so
I just had to wait for it to heal on its own.  It still hurts
sometimes if I have to sit on a hard seat for long periods.

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mlbriggs - 17 Dec 2004 18:27 GMT
> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
> advice for me?

The ones I have heard of have just had them taped across the foot to
restrict  movement,  Toes and fingers are sensitive and can really cause a
lot of pain.   MLB
Jo Firey - 17 Dec 2004 19:27 GMT
> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
> advice for me?

Just the standard RICE

Rest
Ice
Compression
Elevation.

And lot of sympathy.  I've broken the little toe on my right foot at least
half a dozen times.  Barefoot and clumsy don't go well together.

Jo
Mogget - 17 Dec 2004 22:15 GMT
>Just the standard RICE
>
>Rest
>Ice
>Compression
>Elevation.

Didn't know that, actually.  Thanks.

>And lot of sympathy.  I've broken the little toe on my right foot at least
>half a dozen times.  Barefoot and clumsy don't go well together.

LOL ain't that the truth.

Unfortunately I not only have my own clumsiness to contend with, I also
have my toddler's.  She has managed to stamp on my poor toe twice today.
Ow.
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Christina Websell - 17 Dec 2004 21:22 GMT
> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
> advice for me?

Ow!!  I know how this hurts, I broke my big toe once. You won't believe how
I did it.  I had bred a foal from my mare and my blacksmith said he would
buy him for a stallion when he was a bit older (he was a lovely looking
palomino)
So there am I in the stable with this youth of nearly two years old still
complete with his nuptials :-)  fluffing up the straw to make him comfy,
giving him a lovely bucket of food and replenishing his water.  I was just
coming back in with his water when he swung his backside towards me.  Eh?  I
said "don't be so stupid, Zenith, don't even think about it!!"   So he
kicked me, *very* hard.
My immediate and also automatic reaction was to kick him back.  In the split
second it took me to do this, he spun round to face me and my foot connected
with his shoulder blade.
Result - one broken big toe.
It swelled up and went black and blue.  I had it x-rayed, and it was indeed
broken.  There is nothing that can be done for broken toes apparently but I
was advised to put cotton wool between it and my next toe and tape it
together, also to put a pack of frozen peas on it for as long as I could
stand it.
It was several weeks before I could put a shoe on again.  I wore one slipper
and one shoe to go to work in..
It's fine now.  Completely straight, and never hurts me, even when it's
cold.
Would it be impolite to ask how you broke *your* toe?

Tweed
Mogget - 17 Dec 2004 22:15 GMT
<broken toes>

>Ow!!  I know how this hurts, I broke my big toe once. You won't believe how
>I did it.

<Snip> Do you have any idea how hard I am trying not to laugh??

>Would it be impolite to ask how you broke *your* toe?

Not at all.  Sheer early-morning clumsiness.  I stubbed my toe.  Ow.

Actually it was about a week ago, but since it was such a bad stub, and
I've been doing it so much lately (and the other foot, too =8-| ) I was
just trying to put up with the pain.  It's only today that I realise
that I think it's broken.  It's swollen, and hurts in places that have
nothing to do with where I stubbed it, and I'm sure it shouldn't be so,
er, wobbly...

As Mr Mogget often says to me, "Put the planet down, Rosie, and back
away....."
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Yowie - 17 Dec 2004 22:47 GMT
> <broken toes>
>
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> As Mr Mogget often says to me, "Put the planet down, Rosie, and back
> away....."

Your Mr Mogget sounds very very similar to my Mr Yowie :-)

Purrs that  your toe heals quickly and painlessly.

Yowie
Marina - 18 Dec 2004 05:45 GMT
> As Mr Mogget often says to me, "Put the planet down, Rosie, and back
> away....."

LOL!

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Seanette Blaylock - 17 Dec 2004 22:47 GMT
"Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very
interesting things to say about Re: Totally OT: Ow:

>So there am I in the stable with this youth of nearly two years old still
>complete with his nuptials :-)  fluffing up the straw to make him comfy,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>with his shoulder blade.
>Result - one broken big toe.

Did kicking him back actually do any good? :-)

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TBird - 17 Dec 2004 23:23 GMT
> "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very
> interesting things to say about Re: Totally OT: Ow:
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>
> Did kicking him back actually do any good? :-)

It works for us.... we've bred and raised three fillies.

TBird <--- actually, they usually try it on the hubby first, and HE kicks
them back.  They never kick me....

> :-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL
Christina Websell - 18 Dec 2004 20:59 GMT
> "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very
> interesting things to say about Re: Totally OT: Ow:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Did kicking him back actually do any good? :-)

Yes.  He was getting far too big for his boots with all his testosterone and
I had excused his bad behaviour for some weeks before this.  You must never
let a horse realise s/he is stronger than you.  Which they are, and you are
in real trouble if they know it.
He never tried it again after this.

Tweed

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Seanette Blaylock - 18 Dec 2004 21:24 GMT
"Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very
interesting things to say about Re: Totally OT: Ow:

>> Did kicking him back actually do any good? :-)
>Yes.  He was getting far too big for his boots with all his testosterone and
>I had excused his bad behaviour for some weeks before this.  You must never
>let a horse realise s/he is stronger than you.  Which they are, and you are
>in real trouble if they know it.
>He never tried it again after this.

OK, similar [IMO] to keeping a dog aware that the human is higher in
the pack hierarchy.

As you can tell, I don't know much about training horses. :-)

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Christina Websell - 18 Dec 2004 23:36 GMT
> "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very
> interesting things to say about Re: Totally OT: Ow:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> OK, similar [IMO] to keeping a dog aware that the human is higher in
> the pack hierarchy.

Exactly.

> As you can tell, I don't know much about training horses. :-)

Young horses, especially uncut colts, can have a serious attitude problem.
To maintain safety and discipline in looking after them it's sometimes
necessary to be more bold than you might like to.

I wanted to be my colt's friend.  He didn't want to be my friend once he got
about eighteen months old. He thought of himself as a young stallion, and
indeed he was.   He showed off no end.  Look how I can rear up in front of
you and you'll be afraid.  Look how I can kick you. <I didn't expect you'd
kick me back>
And I slapped him down, he was crestfallen, and the blacksmith didn't come
good about buying him as a stallion so I had him gelded.  That sorted him
out :-) Heh.
I sold him after that and he went on to be a good jumping pony and won well
for his new owners who were very pleased with him.

Tweed
TBird - 17 Dec 2004 23:23 GMT
> > I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> > going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Tweed

HA!
We kick the foals back and I don't think we've ever broken anything.
And it does stop the foals from kicking.

Zip reared up at me when she was two days old, and it was difficult but
necessary to smack those little legs back down to the ground.

Before people go getting crazy about cruelty to animals, there is not a
human on the planet that can kick a horse as hard as another horse can kick
him.  And they kick each other all the time.  Zip doesn't rear anymore.

I think you need better barn boots!  ;-)

TBird <---- has two horses, two dogs, two kids, two cats...
and one hubby  ;-)
Christina Websell - 18 Dec 2004 21:19 GMT
>> > I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
>> > going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
> kick
> him.  And they kick each other all the time.  Zip doesn't rear anymore.

It is very easy to think that horses are well behaved.  Well they are in the
end, when they've had some tuition about what is acceptable, and what isn't.
It is very, very important to be able to go into the stable with your horse
and be safe to do all the things you need to do to make her/him comfortable.
If your horse kicks you in the stable when all you are doing is making him
comfortable, he needs to know that this is totally out of order. So you kick
him back.  Preferably on the buttocks that he's showing to you.
Zenith knew immediately he'd made a mistake, either that or he felt he might
challenge me some more by spinning round to face me.  After all, he was a
young stallion and felt very full of himself.
He lost.
Never let a horse think they are stronger than you.  If you do, well, you
could get killed.
This is just my advice from having horses since I was 18.

Tweed

> I think you need better barn boots!  ;-)
>
> TBird <---- has two horses, two dogs, two kids, two cats...
> and one hubby  ;-)
O J - 18 Dec 2004 05:55 GMT
Tweed wrote:
---------------------<snip>----------------------
>Result - one broken big toe.
>It swelled up and went black and blue.  I had it x-rayed, and it was indeed
>broken.  There is nothing that can be done for broken toes apparently but I
>was advised to put cotton wool between it and my next toe and tape it
>together, also to put a pack of frozen peas on it for as long as I could
>stand it.
---------------------<snip>----------------------

When I had a broken arm near the elbow (so that I had to treat it as a
joint injury) I was also advised to use a bag of frozen peas to ice
it.  It should go without saying, but use a marking pen to tag the
peas that will be unfrozen, refrozen, unfrozen, etc. so you don't end
up having rancid peas for dinner one night.

My sympathies, I've had a broken toe.  It was hardly any fun at all.

Regards and Purrs,
O J
Karen AKA KajiKit - 17 Dec 2004 22:15 GMT
>I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
>going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
>broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
>advice for me?

If it's bent away from the rest of your foot you really need to get it
attended to promptly. Otherwise all they'll do is buddy tape it to the
next to to keep  it in place while it heals. My mother got a
greenstick fracture of her little toe and it was bent at
rightangles... and the silly doctor said 'we'll leave it that way and
do an operation after it heals a bit.' So she said 'just straighten it
out NOW!' and he did... hope you feel better soon.
Elise - 17 Dec 2004 22:31 GMT
> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
> advice for me?

Ouch!  No advice but purrs for quick healing coming your way.
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William Hamblen - 18 Dec 2004 03:56 GMT
>I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
>going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
>broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
>advice for me?

Wear shoes.
Mogget - 18 Dec 2004 14:21 GMT
>>I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
>>going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
>>broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
>>advice for me?
>
>Wear shoes.

In bed?  I'd just got out of bed when I did it.
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Jeanette - 18 Dec 2004 10:24 GMT
> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
> advice for me?
> --
> Mogget

I think I remember someone saying that if it's a 'long' little toe rather
than a stubby little thing, you can splint it to the next one along.

Jeanette
Adrian - 18 Dec 2004 13:10 GMT
> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done
> about broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.
> Anyone got any advice for me?

No advice, but purrs you soon feel better. It may be worth phoning the
doctor.
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Dick C - 18 Dec 2004 23:15 GMT
Mogget wrote in rec.pets.cats.anecdotes

> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
> advice for me?

They say it can get infected. And depending upon the break, it may take
quite a while to heal properly. However, I broke a toe many years ago
and never went to a doctor. I taped it to another toe for a few days,
and it healed quite well. One man I used to work with broke his little
finger, he had one of those metal splint things, so he just taped his
finger to it for a couple of weeks. It healed with no problem.

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Rrb - 18 Dec 2004 23:20 GMT
> I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
> going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
> broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
> advice for me?

Since no one in this news group can see it I recommend going to a
doctor. There's no telling what happened without seeing it. Good Luck.
CATherine - 19 Dec 2004 00:28 GMT
>I'm convinced I've broken my toe.  My little toe.  Is there any point
>going to my doc about this?  ISTR there's nothing that can be done about
>broken toes; they just have to heal of their own accord.  Anyone got any
>advice for me?

When I broke my little toe, it was sticking out at right angles and
didn'y hurt much. I thought I just dis-jointed it. The doctor said it
was broke and just straightened it out. No xray or anything. Then he
taped it to the next toe. BTW, this doctor is an idiot. Funny thing, I
walked in just fine. But after hte idiot straightened and taped it, I
could hardly walk and was in great pain. He sent me to a clinic that
has an xray. The xray showed a spiral fracture. So when the idiot
straightened it carelessly, the sharp splinter of bone ripped the
inside of the flesh. The clinic doctor said enough damage was done to
it and he wouldn't mess with it as it was in a good enough position
and he didn't even tape it. He put a cast shoe on me and said wear
thick white socks and keep it elevated. But he said just use aspirin
for the pain and swelling. It healed in six weeks, slightly crooked.

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