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Sabra Update
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 15 Dec 2004 18:52 GMT Well, I still don't know what is going on :-(
BUT -- he seems to be doing better.
Right after my first post, he started eating again! And no vomiting, either. This went on for almost two weeks, and we thought maybe it was a temporary thing and he was out of the woods.
Unfortunately, the past few days have brought some vomiting and reluctance to eat on occasion. But at least he *is* eating. I keep trying to get him to eat c/d (which he *should* be on), but he is being picky and will only sometimes eat that. And you know, he is a 15-year-old cat (or maybe 16; we don't really know for sure); quite frankly, if he wants to eat Friskies, I'm gonna feed him Friskies!
I had a friend once who had a sick cat who was supposed to eat a special diet. He would stare at the plate and refuse to eat the "good" food. But bring out the Friskies, and he'd chomp it down. She always imagined him saying "Freeeeskies! I want my Freeeeskies!"
So if that's what Sabra will eat, that's what he gets.
Boy I'm glad on not posting this on h+b. I'd be flamebroiled!
Ginger-lyn
treeline12345@yahoo.com - 15 Dec 2004 19:22 GMT > Unfortunately, the past few days have brought some vomiting and > reluctance to eat on occasion. But at least he *is* eating. I keep > trying to get him to eat c/d (which he *should* be on), but he is > being picky and will only sometimes eat that. And you know, he is a > 15-year-old cat (or maybe 16; we don't really know for sure); quite > frankly, if he wants to eat Friskies, I'm gonna feed him Friskies! ------------snipped for brevity-----------------------------------
> Ginger-lyn You might want to give this some more analysis to crack your dilemma.
Can you find out what it is about Science Diet c/d that your cat needs? 1. Is it its low pH, acidic, around 6.2 to 6.4 for this particular item. 2. Does your cat need a higher water intake? 3. Is it low phosphorus with calcium proporionate, usually 1.0 to 1.1/1.2. 4. Is it low ash that is the goal? 5. How about low protein along with low phosphorus and acidic too?
See? There are many possibilities. Different companies, different brands. It's tedious to look this up. There are some old web sites which have a listing. One lady for her two beloved cats made a list up. It's old but still good listing just about all known wet and dry foods sorted by protein, phosphorus, sat and fat. It's a great web site.
Here are her selections for Friskies for wet or canned food.
You can also mix 1/2 and 1/2 which I am sure you have tried?
Friskies used to have a vet on their staff. Maybe you could call and explain your dilemma. Generally Friskies is very high in protein and phosphorus but they are not all created equal. Try to see if Friskies can come up with an equivalent for c/d or what they say. Did you see their show with the trained cats? Strange, cute, but a little stressful. Trained cats seems inappropriate although teaching a few tricks can be like playing with the cat.
This is Noreen Boles, the one I talked about above, in regards to renal failure but the analyses are helpful for all and the items below, also dry food analysis is available here, are from this URL: http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm
Some additional urls which lists simply some important items: http://www.felinediabetes.com/cat_food_nutrition_dry.htm http://www.felinediabetes.com/cat_food_nutrition_canned.htm
VETERINARY LOW-PROTEIN DIETS %Protein % Phosphorus % Sodium % FAT
Friskies Beef Stew* 45.11 1.11 0.47 37.45 Friskies Carved Chicken & Tuna* 50.24 1.00 1.47 16.59 Friskies Carved With Beef* 49.77 1.08 1.46 16.43 Friskies Classic Seafood Entrée* 47.39 1.24 0.52 34.54 Friskies Country Style Dinner* 44.35 1.46 0.59 41.84 Friskies Elegant Entrée* 45.45 1.86 0.50 37.60 Friskies Flaked With Tuna & Egg* 58.98 1.48 0.51 19.92 Friskies Flaked With Tuna* 60.08 1.57 0.44 18.15 Friskies Kitten Mixed Grill Formula* 51.27 1.27 0.59 34.32 Friskies Kitten Ocean Whitefish Formula* 58.30 1.54 0.61 24.70 Friskies Kitten Turkey Formula* 50.20 1.85 0.48 34.94 Friskies Liver & Chicken Dinner* 47.30 1.16 1.00 36.51 Friskies Mariner's Catch* 49.17 1.38 0.54 32.50 Friskies Mixed Grill* 48.12 1.34 0.67 38.49 Friskies Mixed Grill* 50.21 1.14 0.51 37.13 Friskies Ocean Whitefish & Tuna* 49.79 1.29 0.54 32.37 Friskies Prime Entrée* 46.38 1.36 0.72 38.30 Friskies Prime Filets Turkey Dinner in Gravy* 58.54 0.81 1.42 11.38 Friskies Prime Filets with Beef in Gravy* 57.26 0.85 1.41 12.10 Friskies Salmon Dinner* 48.03 1.50 0.43 35.43 Friskies Sea Captain's Choice* 48.13 1.33 0.54 34.85 Friskies Senior Ocean Whitefish & Rice in Sauce* 50.21 1.28 0.51 26.81 Friskies Senior Pacific Salmon in Sauce* 49.79 1.73 0.42 27.85 Friskies Senior Savory Beef in Sauce* 46.96 1.26 0.74 31.74 Friskies Senior Tender Cuts Chicken & Tuna* 49.12 1.06 0.27 18.58 Friskies Senior Turkey & Giblets in Gravy* 52.66 1.59 0.48 30.43 Friskies Senior With Sliced Lamb & Rice* 46.70 1.27 0.25 16.75 Friskies Shredded Chicken & Salmon* 52.74 0.90 0.30 18.41 Friskies Shredded Turkey & Cheese* 52.00 1.10 0.55 18.00 Friskies Sliced Chicken in Gravy* 52.42 1.10 0.35 19.82 Friskies Sliced Gourmet Grill* 54.02 0.80 0.36 15.63 Friskies Sliced With Beef in Gravy* 55.84 0.84 1.56 12.34 Friskies Special Diet Beef & Chicken Dinner* 47.21 1.03 0.56 36.05 Friskies Special Diet Beef & Liver Dinner* 49.15 0.98 0.47 30.77 Friskies Special Diet Ocean Whitefish Dinner* 49.79 1.09 0.46 33.05 Friskies Special Diet Sliced Chicken in Gravy* 53.77 0.80 0.42 19.81 Friskies Special Diet Turkey & Giblets Dinner* 52.04 0.95 1.00 36.20 Friskies Special Diet Turkey & Giblets* 48.66 0.94 0.98 34.38 Friskies Tender Cuts Chicken & Salmon in Gravy* 49.54 1.16 0.42 18.98 Friskies Tender Cuts Ocean Whitefish in Sauce* 50.23 1.13 0.42 16.90 Friskies Tender Cuts Turkey & Liver in Gravy* 49.06 1.18 0.38 16.04 Friskies Turkey & Giblets Dinner* 48.95 1.52 0.84 36.71 Friskies Turkey & Giblets* 48.74 1.85 0.92 36.98 Whew, that's a long response. Helpful?
treeline12345@yahoo.com - 15 Dec 2004 20:38 GMT Where I listed or rather pasted all the Friskies' info under "Low-Protein" this was definitely not referring to Friskies which appears to be not at all low protein or low phosphorus. The Low-Protein referred to special foods or premium foods or sometimes regular foods which are indeed low-protein. I snipped those out just to show Friskies which you had mentioned.
So again, Friskies is NOT low-protein. VETERINARY LOW-PROTEIN DIETS %Protein % Phosphorus
Karen - 15 Dec 2004 19:23 GMT > Well, I still don't know what is going on :-( > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ginger-lyn Most sane people agree that eating is the most important thing. Especially at that age. I would do exactly the same thing. My vet even said that she used to be in the "you must eat THIS" camp for renal cats, but finally came to the realization that it was more important that they eat than what they eat. SHe WANTS them to eat what is good for them, but if they won't, she'd be the first to say try something else.
Howard Berkowitz - 15 Dec 2004 20:42 GMT > > Well, I still don't know what is going on :-( > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > she'd > be the first to say try something else. Terry, my childhood d*g, was diagnosed with renal failure, given six weeks to live, and put on a prescription kidney diet. He hated it. Eventually, my mother took out the bag of Gravy Train.
He inhaled it, and lived another three years -- dying of heart, not kidney, disease.
Yoj - 15 Dec 2004 19:34 GMT > Well, I still don't know what is going on :-( > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ginger-lyn I'm with you - feed him what he'll eat. My vet agrees with you. When Nanki-Poo wasn't eating, and when he just started eating again, she said, "That he eats is much more important than what he eats."
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mlbriggs - 15 Dec 2004 22:49 GMT > Well, I still don't know what is going on :-( > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ginger-lyn I find this interesting. TuTu always likes to eat, but she really gets excited over people tuna and Friskies. I normally feed her Iams but occasionally buy a box of Friskies for a before-bed treat. MLB
polonca12000 - 15 Dec 2004 22:50 GMT Lots of purrs for Sabra to be healthy again,
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> Well, I still don't know what is going on :-( > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > either. This went on for almost two weeks, and we thought maybe it > was a temporary thing and he was out of the woods. <snip
Christina Websell - 15 Dec 2004 23:38 GMT > Well, I still don't know what is going on :-( > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ginger-lyn When your animal is sick and won't eat, you have to make that decision, shall I give her/him something that they *ought" to eat, or something that they *will* eat. I had a whippet called Minnie who I could not have loved more if she had been my child. As she reached 18 or so, her appetite got bad, and I knew she had CRF. For a while, she would eat the kidney diet, but towards the end of her life she was very difficult to feed, to find something she would like. My vet said to me "It doesn't matter now what's good for her or not, or what might rot her teeth. Give her anything she might want." So I did. She lived for a few days after her 19th birthday and I still miss her terribly. <Confession> When she got frail I used to take her up to bed with me, and woe betide me if the electric blanket wasn't on! Then I used to put her under the duvet and we would snuggle up together until morning, like spoons. I will never stop missing her.
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Dan M - 16 Dec 2004 05:02 GMT >>So if that's what Sabra will eat, that's what he gets. >> >>Boy I'm glad on not posting this on h+b. I'd be flamebroiled! >> >>Ginger-lyn When DD first developed CRF, the vet told us to feed her a prescription food. We tried, but she completely refused to eat it. We couldn't figure out what do to get her to eat. We tried offering her everything - baby food, yogurt, soups, hamburger, turkey. Finally, in desperation, I brought my bag of feral food in from the truck - Meow Mix. Now the kind of food I would want to feed regularly to my own kitties, but it was what I could afford at the time to feed those stray kitties I would see around.
DD decided that Meow Mix was the greatest stuff she had ever tasted! So from then on, that's waht we fed her. We'd sneak in some of the good stuff mixed in with it, and eventually got her to eat mostly the good stuff with just enough Meow Mix to give it the flavor she liked.
We fed her that stuff for the three more years she was with us. Better to feed her something that isn't quite what the vet ordered, than only offer the prescription stuff and see her starve.
Dan
Marina - 16 Dec 2004 03:48 GMT > Well, I still don't know what is going on :-( > > BUT -- he seems to be doing better. Purrs that Sabra continues to improve. Yes, I agree that eating something is more important than not eating at all. Give him his Friskes, and maybe when he is feeling better, you could slowly switch to some more senior-cat-friendly food?
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Christine Burel - 16 Dec 2004 08:06 GMT Purrs that he'll continue to eat and you can figure out what he needs -- pardon me if you mentioned this already, does he have kidney disease and/or dental trouble? Those conditions affected 2 of my RB cats and we definitely had the vomiting with the kidney disease (sub-q fluids helped this a lot) and the one cat had both kidney disease and a bad tooth which also caused him to not want to eat. Christine
> Well, I still don't know what is going on :-( > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ginger-lyn Ginger-lyn Summer - 16 Dec 2004 19:17 GMT >Purrs that he'll continue to eat and you can figure out what he needs -- >pardon me if you mentioned this already, does he have kidney disease and/or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >him to not want to eat. >Christine Hi, Christine,
No kidney disease; bloodwork was run and showed everything normal in terms of kidneys, liver, and diabetes. His teeth are definitely bad, and the vet and we suspect that is a part of all this, but with his age and condition (asthma), putting him under anesthesia for a dental cleaning is considered too risky. I've switched him to canned food only, added water, mushed it up really well, and heated it in the microwave so it's slightly warm.
What he *was* on was a combination of dry c/d and wet w/d; he showed some signs of tending to kidney blockage, but his weight was at a good place and c/d tends to add weight, so the vet thought that combination was a good one. It seemed to me the dry food definitely was a problem, and he refused the wet w/d, too. I think he associated both of those with his vomiting. So I've been trying wet c/d, and occasionally, he will eat that, but usually holds out for Friskies. Stubborn cat!
Ginger-lyn
Adrian - 17 Dec 2004 14:28 GMT > Well, I still don't know what is going on :-( > > BUT -- he seems to be doing better. <snip>
> So if that's what Sabra will eat, that's what he gets. > > Boy I'm glad on not posting this on h+b. I'd be flamebroiled! > > Ginger-lyn Continuing purrs for Sabra. I was just looking at your card, which arrived today. Which one is Sabra?
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Ginger-lyn Summer - 17 Dec 2004 18:44 GMT >Continuing purrs for Sabra. I was just looking at your card, which >arrived today. Which one is Sabra? Thanks, Adrian and everyone.
Sabra is the one in the back on the left (I know, how do you tell three black cats apart? lol!). Merlyn is right of Sabra, and Trill right of Merlyn. Arthur is sort of between Sabra and Merlyn, and Cosmo is right to and slightly below Trill. Internet is in the middle, with Brando to his right, and Wolfie is in the front. And that's the crew :-)
Ginger-lyn
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