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New Hijack warning...Safety is NEVER OT
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Tanada - 14 Dec 2004 18:25 GMT We received this from Rob's parents. I have not done a Snopes check on it, as it seems like good advice, even if it is an urban legend.
Pam S.
Subject: Warning from the State Patrol
Even though this is a very remote possibility, it is still something to remember. I was thinking of this only happening to women at first, but it could happen to men as well, and should be something that we keep in the back of our mind. There are to many kooks out there waiting for an opportunity these days.
"Warning >From The State Patrol" Please pass this along to others and beware. CAR JACKERS NEW SCHEME: Be aware of new car-jacking scheme Imagine: You walk across the parking lot, unlock your car and get inside. Then you lock all your doors, start the engine and shift into REVERSE, and you look into the rearview mirror to back out of your parking space and you notice a piece of paper stuck to the middle of the rear window. So, you shift into PARK, unlock your doors and jump out of your car to remove that paper (or whatever it is) that is obstructing your view... When you reach the back of your car that is when the car-jackers appear out of nowhere, jump into your car and take off!! Your engine was running, (ladies would have their purse in the car) and they practically mow you down as they speed off in your car. BE AWARE OF THIS NEW SCHEME THAT IS NOW BEING USED. Just drive away and remove the paper that is stuck to your window later, and be thankful that you read this email. I hope you will forward this to friends and family...especially to women! A purse contains all identification, and you certainly do NOT want someone getting your home address. They already HAVE your keys! This scheme has been reported to have occurred in the states of Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, and Michigan. We are asking that residents of major cities within these states be mindful when traveling.
M/Sgt Terry A. Granell Illinois State Police, Zone 2/East Moline Office (309)752-4915 ext 4939 Alpha Pager (563)327-9894 Connie Small Sgt Rod Rhiner Park Fair Mall 100 Euclid Ave. Des Moines, IA 50313 800-925-6469 or 515-237-3247 Fax: 515-237-3387
Seanette Blaylock - 14 Dec 2004 23:21 GMT Tanada <tanada@earthlink.net> had some very interesting things to say about New Hijack warning...Safety is NEVER OT:
>We received this from Rob's parents. I have not done a Snopes check on >it, as it seems like good advice, even if it is an urban legend. Which it is. http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/carjack.asp tags this one as false. :-)
>Subject: Warning from the State Patrol > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Sgt Rod Rhiner Park Fair Mall 100 Euclid Ave. Des Moines, IA 50313 >800-925-6469 or 515-237-3247 Fax: 515-237-3387
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL gracecat - 15 Dec 2004 01:40 GMT > Tanada <tanada@earthlink.net> had some very interesting things to say > about New Hijack warning...Safety is NEVER OT: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Which it is. http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/carjack.asp tags > this one as false. :-) Yes and no.. This particular scenario is false but it's always worth being said...
You do have the right to decrease your speed, apply your flashers, call 911 if you have a cell to verify it is an officer behind you and procede to the nearest lit area if you're travelling at night and feel uncomfortable stopping. (Calling 911, they'll verify and notify dispatch, who will notify the officer that yes you are aware of his presense). This is especially true if you're a single woman, and the car is unmarked and on a very long stretch in the middle of nowhere. (though, if 911 verifies that it is a trooper, I'd go ahead and pull over)
He won't hollar at you, you won't get a ticket other than for what he flashed his lights at you initially and more than likely, they'll be 100% understanding. At one time, in Louisiana during our serial killer hunt the investigation considered it to be a rogue police officer or a civilizian portraying a police officer so the safety precautions were actually encouraged for a short time. (whether that was an actual detective's theory or the media assuming it was theory, I have no idea)
Grace
John F. Eldredge - 15 Dec 2004 04:28 GMT >> Tanada <tanada@earthlink.net> had some very interesting things to >> say about New Hijack warning...Safety is NEVER OT: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >encouraged for a short time. (whether that was an actual detective's >theory or the media assuming it was theory, I have no idea) Here in Nashville, Tennessee, a woman was recently assaulted after being pulled over by a man masquerading as a police officer, using a blue flashing light, so the news media carried a warning similar to what you posted. Just in case the vehicle behind you turns out to really be an unmarked police car, it is important that you drive slowly enough that the officer won't think that you are trying to outrun him or her, leading to a high-speed pursuit.
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Christina Websell - 16 Dec 2004 00:32 GMT >> Tanada <tanada@earthlink.net> had some very interesting things to say >> about New Hijack warning...Safety is NEVER OT: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Grace In all my years of driving, I've never been stopped by the police. I guess I must look sort of innocent ;-) Although I do hesitate to say this. Watch me get stopped tomorrow now!
Tweed
Adrian - 17 Dec 2004 14:54 GMT > In all my years of driving, I've never been stopped by the police. I > guess I must look sort of innocent ;-) > Although I do hesitate to say this. Watch me get stopped tomorrow > now! > > Tweed I got stopped the day I passed my driving test, aged 17. I was doing 80 in a 40 limit. I've calmed down a bit since then, over 30 years.
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Christina Websell - 17 Dec 2004 23:02 GMT >> In all my years of driving, I've never been stopped by the police. I >> guess I must look sort of innocent ;-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I got stopped the day I passed my driving test, aged 17. I was doing 80 > in a 40 limit. I've calmed down a bit since then, over 30 years. I stopped speeding (even a little bit) when a chap walked off the pavement into the road right in front of me, within 6 feet, probably. I was *not* speeding at the time, I was doing 30 mph in a 30 mph limit zone. He was looking for an address which he was reading from a paper he had in his hand. I did see him on the sidewalk (pavement), but I had no idea that he would walk out right in front of my car, but he did. I swerved to avoid him, but unfortunately he jumped the same way. So I hit him. He came right up on the bonnet (hood?) of the car, and his head broke the windscreen. Scary or what? He lay at the side of the road. Nearby neighbours phoned the police and ambulance. I got out of the car, and advised him to stay still in case he was very hurt. He obeyed, and lay there, but he said to me "Don't worry, I won't be hurt, I used to be a boxer." Yeah. So boxers can't be hurt in a collision with a car!!
The police came and breathalysed me. Like I was drunk to run over someone who came right out in front of me! Negative result.
Just like he said, he was okay. He had blood coming from his little finger and a bump on his head where it connected with my windscreen. He was taken to hospital and discharged. I was left with the fee for the ambulance and fifty quid excess to pay on my insurance for a new windscreen.
In the UK, the car driver is always at fault for an accident like this. If your car is parked and you are not even in it, if a cyclist collides with it, it's your fault and you have to pay for the ambulance!! Amazing but true.
Tweed
Sherry - 17 Dec 2004 23:11 GMT >In the UK, the car driver is always at fault for an accident like this. If >your car is parked and you are not even in it, if a cyclist collides with >it, it's your fault and you have to pay for the ambulance!! >Amazing but true. > >Tweed That hardly seems fair! Especially if you are parked legally, and someone hits your car. A teenager ran out in front of my son in a parking lot once, and he hit him at about 10 mph. He seemed fine, went to the hospital and was pronounced OK, my son did not get a ticket. But unfortunately the parents of the kid were professional sue-ers (is that a word?) They sued our insurance co. and won a major big-bucks settlement. That's why insurance in the US costs so much. :(
Sherry
Christina Websell - 18 Dec 2004 00:26 GMT > >In the UK, the car driver is always at fault for an accident like this. > >If [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Sherry This ex-boxer was nice enough to say to the police and ambulance, while he still lay in the road "It's not this lady's fault, it's mine."
Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 17 Dec 2004 23:45 GMT > In the UK, the car driver is always at fault for an accident like this. If > your car is parked and you are not even in it, if a cyclist collides with > it, it's your fault and you have to pay for the ambulance!! > Amazing but true. That seems extreme to me. I can understand the driver being at fault in a collision with a pedestrian - although there are many cases, such as the accident you described here, where the driver could not have avoided the collision, and was also obeying all traffic laws, which should probably mitigate some of the penalty for the driver. But if you're not even in the car, and it's legally parked, how could you possibly be responsible??
Just my USA'an take on it...
Joyce
Christina Websell - 18 Dec 2004 00:32 GMT > > In the UK, the car driver is always at fault for an accident like this. > > If [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Joyce When I got the invoice for the ambulance, I was incensed and rang up to query it, as there was no way that it was my fault. That's when they told me about the cyclist thing. It seems wrong to me too, but apparently it's the law. Crazy.
Tweed
Lots42 The Library Avenger - 18 Dec 2004 03:29 GMT >From: "gracecat" gracecatt@bellsouth.net
> At one time, in Louisiana during our serial killer hunt the >investigation considered it to be a rogue police officer or a civilizian >portraying a police officer so the safety precautions were actually >encouraged for a short time. (whether that was an actual detective's theory >or the media assuming it was theory, I have no idea) Sadly, there -have- been incidents where crooks in full cop getup have pulled people over and done very bad things
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Karen Chuplis - 15 Dec 2004 01:46 GMT > Tanada <tanada@earthlink.net> had some very interesting things to say > about New Hijack warning...Safety is NEVER OT: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Which it is. http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/carjack.asp tags > this one as false. :-) and yet, it would be effective. Some entrepreneuring crook out there might gets some ideas from it so it's still a good idea to be aware of something like that.
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