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CATherine - 09 Dec 2004 02:57 GMT
Today I mailed my international cards. (The domestic cards will get
finished this weekend.) On the name list, some of the people in UK
just put UK at the bottom of the addie. Others put England. So I
copied them exactly as was. But my Postmaster had me put England on
the UK ones. He said "they" might not know where that was. Who? The
extra, holiday postal workers? Overseas postal workers? We were
discussing acronyms and different place names. Then he looked up in
some place he had there and said, "No. It is listed as Great Britain".
He said England is ok for this year; but wants me to use Great Britain
for next year. Has anyone else's Postmaster said this?

--
CATherine
Jeanne Hedge - 09 Dec 2004 03:20 GMT
>Today I mailed my international cards. (The domestic cards will get
>finished this weekend.) On the name list, some of the people in UK
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>He said England is ok for this year; but wants me to use Great Britain
>for next year. Has anyone else's Postmaster said this?

My US postmaster didn't say anything to me about cards addressed to
"England".

I had to do some research into internationally accepted address and
telephone formats in my former job. It's really a mishmosh - at least
there's some sort of international concensus about phone number
formats!

I discovered that international mail to some UK addresses don't even
require you to give the country. "UK" is most definitely not
appropriate for some UK addresses due to political concerns - which is
why using "England" or "Scotland" is acceptable.

Make your head spin - visit the very appropriately named FRANK'S
COMPULSIVE GUIDE TO POSTAL ADDRESSES at
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/postal.html

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 09 Dec 2004 14:52 GMT
>I discovered that international mail to some UK addresses don't even
>require you to give the country. "UK" is most definitely not
>appropriate for some UK addresses due to political concerns - which is
>why using "England" or "Scotland" is acceptable.

Not if the address is in the Welsh bit of the UK ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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Jeanne Hedge - 09 Dec 2004 15:08 GMT
>>I discovered that international mail to some UK addresses don't even
>>require you to give the country. "UK" is most definitely not
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Cheers, helen s

Or the Channel Islands ^_^

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Ted Davis - 09 Dec 2004 16:05 GMT
>>>I discovered that international mail to some UK addresses don't even
>>>require you to give the country. "UK" is most definitely not
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Or the Channel Islands ^_^

"The World Factbook"
(<http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html>) says:
"conventional long form: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland; note - Great Britain includes the countries of England,
Scotland, and Wales".  

Anguilla, Bermuda, British Indian Ocean Territory, British Virgin
Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Guernsey,
Jersey, Isle of Man, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, Saint Helena, South
Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands are
listed as 'Dependent areas'.

However, and strictly speaking, England doesn't exist as a political
entity: it's what's left over after subtracting Scotland, and Wales
from Great Britain.  Mail addressed to addresses in England probably
should be returned to the sender or sent to the dead letter office,
but most everybody would know what was meant.

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David Stevenson - 23 Dec 2004 18:09 GMT
>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:57:16 -0700, CATherine
><pepsicola5cents@drop.me.bigsandytelco.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>appropriate for some UK addresses due to political concerns - which is
>why using "England" or "Scotland" is acceptable.

  I am rather surprised at this view: while there may be a few funny
people out there I have yet to hear of a single one who objects to the
term UK.

  However, if you put Scotland and it is England or Wales and it is
Northern Ireland you will get problems.  I am surprised at the advice: I
would have thought UK was safest.

  If you try putting UK for Eire that's different, but that is like
putting USA for Canada.

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Karen Chuplis - 09 Dec 2004 03:21 GMT
> Today I mailed my international cards. (The domestic cards will get
> finished this weekend.) On the name list, some of the people in UK
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> --
> CATherine

Good lord. In the past, I've always used UK and I think everyone over there
got the cards. I think the postmaster is a bit out there.
CATherine - 10 Dec 2004 04:46 GMT
>> Today I mailed my international cards. (The domestic cards will get
>> finished this weekend.) On the name list, some of the people in UK
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Good lord. In the past, I've always used UK and I think everyone over there
>got the cards. I think the postmaster is a bit out there.

All the other years we have done this, this same Postmaster just had
me write England with nothing said about Great Britain or United
Kingdom. And the cards all arrived. Maybe this year he had gotten a
letter from Headquarters about being picky. Gov. Bigshots can be
persnickety about the letter of the rules.

--
CATherine
dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 09 Dec 2004 14:57 GMT
>But my Postmaster had me put England on
>the UK ones.

Bit of a bummer if the bit of the UK it's going to is in Scotland, Wales or
Northern Ireland ;-)

Sounds like your postmaster is a bit of a jobsworthy.

UK, Great Britain, England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland are all
different politically & geographically, yet somehow we are linked. Confused?
;-)

But put it this way, I'm in England, which can be put on an address as England,
UK, United Kingdom, Great Britain or GB...

But if I lived in an address in  the part of GB which is Scotland, putting
England on the address may cause problems.

International cheers, helen s

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Seanette Blaylock - 09 Dec 2004 15:27 GMT
wafflycathcs@aol.compomcom (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) had
some very interesting things to say about Re: A word from my
Postmaster:

>Sounds like your postmaster is a bit of a jobsworthy.

????

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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL
Christina Websell - 09 Dec 2004 21:06 GMT
> wafflycathcs@aol.compomcom (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) had
> some very interesting things to say about Re: A word from my
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> ????

A jobsworth.  Someone who take their job so seriously they that apply the
rules to the ultimate degree. To vary it would be "more than my jobs worth."

Tweed
Seanette Blaylock - 10 Dec 2004 03:44 GMT
"Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very
interesting things to say about Re: A word from my Postmaster:

>>>Sounds like your postmaster is a bit of a jobsworthy.
>> ????
>A jobsworth.  Someone who take their job so seriously they that apply the
>rules to the ultimate degree. To vary it would be "more than my jobs worth."

Ah, thanks. Not an expression used on this side of the pond. :-)

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doing just fine on its own, incompetent support staff notwithstanding.

:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL
Yowie - 10 Dec 2004 04:08 GMT
> > wafflycathcs@aol.compomcom (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) had
> > some very interesting things to say about Re: A word from my
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> A jobsworth.  Someone who take their job so seriously they that apply the
> rules to the ultimate degree. To vary it would be "more than my jobs worth."

No so much *take seriously* as they have not having one whit of independant
thought or common sense whilst at work and therefore have a very literal
interpretation of the rules. A jobsworthy will not sell you breakfast at a
cafe at 10:30:01 am because the rules state that breakfast finishes at
10:30:00am, despite the fact there are still eggs, bacon, toast and other
breakfasty items still on the grill and will otherwise have to be thrown
away, and you started queing for breakfast *before* 10:30:00am.

Or the sort of people who will not let a 17 years and 364 day old person
into the pub they are throwing their 18th birthday party in, because they
don't meet the age requirement, but will let them in at midnight, because
they are now officially 18.

Or someone who insists that you keep doing your hard physical labour outside
when its stinking hot, because whilst the rules say its unsafe to work like
that when the temperature is over 100, its only 99.8 outside (and produces a
digital thermometer to prove it) and therefore they consider it 100% safe
and wonder why on earth you fainted out there.

Vicky
badwilson - 11 Dec 2004 02:26 GMT
> > > wafflycathcs@aol.compomcom (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) had
> > > some very interesting things to say about Re: A word from my
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Vicky

Aaargh, I hate people like that!  For a very short time, I had a job
in Yellowknife at the legislature.  I had to sit at the front desk and
have visitors sign in.  Every day there was a guy who delivered a big
bucket of soup for the caffeteria.  He would be in the building for
all of 2 minutes.  I didn't make him sign in.  When the weather got
cold he began wearing a trenchcoat and my stupid boss said that now I
had to make him sign in because he looked suspicious in his coat and
his plastic bucket of soup could be plastiques explosives!  Good gawd!
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David Stevenson - 23 Dec 2004 18:19 GMT
>Or someone who insists that you keep doing your hard physical labour outside
>when its stinking hot, because whilst the rules say its unsafe to work like
>that when the temperature is over 100, its only 99.8 outside (and produces a
>digital thermometer to prove it) and therefore they consider it 100% safe
>and wonder why on earth you fainted out there.

  Or puts the central heating on on 1st October and turns it off on 31st
March with no reference to how hot/cold it actually is.

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CATherine - 10 Dec 2004 02:15 GMT
>>But my Postmaster had me put England on
>>the UK ones.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>International cheers, helen s

I have discovered a lot of people are geographically challenged. I
think my Postmaster is one of them. I just remembered one of the cards
said Cardiff on it. Since i put England on it, it might be awhile
before it gets there. I think next year I will remove any confusion
from the geographically challenged post offece workers and put "United
Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland, Wales and Scotland"!! Do you think
the British Post Office will get it to its' destination without
choking the computerized mail reader and sorter? ;-)

--
CATherine
Jeanne Hedge - 10 Dec 2004 02:28 GMT
>I think next year I will remove any confusion
>from the geographically challenged post offece workers and put "United
>Kingdom of Great Britain, Ireland, Wales and Scotland"!!

Oh no, don't do that - I think some folks in the Republic of Ireland
might have a bit of a problem with it <g>  Honestly, why do the
British have to make things so complicated ;)

(from Frank's Compulsive Guide to Postal Addresses, with references to
USPS, Royal Mail, and Canada Post, for those of us who are easily
confused (like me!)):

BRITAIN, the largest island in the archipelago just north of France;
the island of Britain contains three countries: ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, and
WALES.

ENGLAND is one of the countries of Britain.

SCOTLAND is one of the countries of Britain.

WALES is one of the countries of Britain.

NORTHERN IRELAND is a jurisdiction having approximately the same
status as England, Scotland, and Wales, but on a different island.

The UNITED KINGDOM is the union of England, Scotland, Wales, and
Northern Ireland, including whatever islands are also included in
those countries. The full name of the United Kingdom is THE UNITED
KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND. The United Kingdom
itself is a country. Thus it is a country that is made up of four
countries. A country made of countries might seem a paradox, yet the
countries that make up the UK, especially England, Scotland, and
Wales, do not think of themselves as anything less; Scotland has its
own Parliament and banknotes, Wales has its own language and National
Assembly, all three have national identities going back more than a
thousand years, and the Encyclopedia Britannica calls them countries
(next item). Perhaps more to the point, ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, WALES, and
NORTHERN IRELAND are listed in the USPS Index of Countries and
Localities. (According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term
UNITED KINGDOM was first used in 1801 and, until 1921, included
Ireland.)

GREAT BRITAIN is a term that means different things to different
people. Canada Post uses it as their only recognized name for the
United Kingdom. Webster's dictionary defines "Britain" as "the island
of Great Britain", and defines Great Britain as "(a) island comprising
England, Scotland, and Wales, or (b) United Kingdom" (which in turn is
defined to include Northern Ireland). The Encyclopedia Britannica says
"Technically, Great Britain is one of the two main islands that make
up the British Isles. By this definition it includes the countries of
England, Scotland, and Wales. Popularly, Great Britain is the
shortened name for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland." The OED says that Great Britain is "the whole island
containing England, Wales, and Scotland, with their dependencies".
William Wallace says, however, that the term "is actually a remnant of
the Norman Conquest times, and was used to distinguish between Large
Britain (Grande Bretagne) and Little Britain (Petite Bretagne,
Brittany). It has nothing to do with Empire or world domination and
simply refers to the time when the island was administered and fought
over by the French." In any case, the ambiguity of the term Great
Britain -- is it a country, an island, or a group of islands? --
suggests it is best avoided.

BRITTANY is a region and former province of northwestern of France,
mentioned here only to add to the confusion. It is home to the
Bretons, Britons who fled from the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain in
the 5th and 6th centuries and who renamed the place "Little Britain",
and who speak a Celtic language, also called Breton, similar to Welsh
and Cornish. The French name of Brittany is Bretagne; the Breton name
is Breiz. Bretagne became part of France in 1532. Some say that Breton
and Welsh fisherfolk can chat with each other in their closely related
languages.

The BRITISH ISLES is another unclear geographical term denoting
(according to both Webster and the OED) Great Britain, Ireland, and
the adjacent islands, including the Isle of Man and the Channel
Islands. Another term to avoid, since the Irish do not consider their
island a British isle. A better term would be "The Islands of Britain
and Ireland". BRITISH ISLES is sometimes used in postal addresses, but
only within the UK postal system, e.g. when sending mail from England
to the Isle of Man (the USPS does not recognize the term, and does not
need it, as explained below).

The CROWN DEPENDENCIES include the Isle of Man and the Channel
Islands, which are self-governing, and not part of the UK. Opinions
are divided as to whether these and other "adjacent islands" such as
the Scottish islands (Outer Hebrides) are also "British Isles" or part
of "Great Britain" (see conflicting definitions above).

The UNITED KINGDOM AND ISLANDS refers to England, Scotland, Wales,
Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, and the Channel Islands.

The BRITISH ISLANDS, as (re)defined in the Interpretation Act 1978, is
synonymous with UNITED KINGDOM AND ISLANDS. (But be careful: in the
Western Hemisphere, sometimes this term is used to refer to the
British Virgin Islands and possibly other Caribbean Commonwealth
countries such as Jamaica, Bahamas, and Bermuda, and territories such
as the Cayman Islands.)

The BRITISH EMPIRE is a historical term -- "The sun never sets on the
British Empire;" the monarch was "... Britt. Omn. Rex (or Regina) F.D.
et Ind. Imp." (King or Queen of All the Britons, Defender of the
Faith, and Emperor/Empress of India). Included in the British Empire,
at one time or another, were Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand,
parts of the USA; Guyana (as British Guyana), Belize (as British
Honduras), the British West Indies, Jamaica, Bermuda, the Bahamas;
Egypt, Iraq, Israel (as Palestine); Sri Lanka (as Ceylon), India, what
are now Pakistan and Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar (as Burma), Hong Kong,
Singapore, Malaysia (as Malaya), Brunei Darussalam, Malawi
(Nyasaland), South Africa, Zambia and Zimbabwe (as Rhodesia), Nigeria,
Sierra Leone, Ghana, Kenya, Tanzania (as Tanganyika and Zanzibar),
Uganda, ... you name it. Most of these countries gained their
independence after World War II (some earlier) but many of them
remained in the Commonwealth (next item).

THE COMMONWEALTH ("a unique family of 54 nations", formerly known as
the British Commonwealth) includes the United Kingdom, plus the Crown
Dependencies (the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man), plus former
colonies Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Bahamas, Barbados,
Jamaica, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Belize, Ghana, Grenada, Kenya,
Nigeria, South Africa, Uganda, etc, as well as at least one country --
Moçambique (Mozambique) -- that was never a British colony. The
non-UK, non-Dependency parts of the Commonwealth do not use UK postal
codes because they are independent countries.

The BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORIES are Anguilla, Bermuda, British
Antarctic Territory, British Indian Ocean Territory, British Virgin
Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat,
Pitcairn, Saint Helena and its Dependencies, South Georgia and the
South Sandwich Islands, and the Turks and Caicos Islands. The Overseas
Territories are not members of the Commonwealth because they are not
independent countries. Each Overseas Territory is a separate
jurisdiction with its own postal addressing arrangements; some of them
participate in the UK postcode system.

IRELAND is an independent country, since the proclamation of the Irish
Republic in 1916 and the ensuing struggle. Prior to that Ireland was
ruled by England (and before that, like much of England itself, by
Vikings, but unlike England, never by the Romans or Normans).
Ireland's capital is Dublin. Ireland is not part of the United Kingdom
or the Commonwealth. IRELAND is also an island presently containing
two countries: IRELAND (ÉIRE) and NORTHERN IRELAND. Some might prefer
to say that IRELAND is an island and a country which happens, at
present, to be artificially divided.

ULSTER is a region (formerly a kingdom) containing all of NORTHERN
IRELAND, plus Counties Cavan, Donegal, and Monaghan in IRELAND. Thus
contrary to popular belief, "Ulster" is not a proper synonym for
Northern Ireland.

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David Stevenson - 23 Dec 2004 18:19 GMT
>BRITAIN, the largest island in the archipelago just north of France;
>the island of Britain contains three countries: ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, and
>WALES.

 Never heard of it.  No, I am not joking, I have literally never heard
this usage.

                               [s]

>The BRITISH ISLES is another unclear geographical term denoting
>(according to both Webster and the OED) Great Britain, Ireland, and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>to the Isle of Man (the USPS does not recognize the term, and does not
>need it, as explained below).

 It may be tactless and unappreciated, but it is the correct
geographical term for the area.

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Christina Websell - 24 Dec 2004 01:10 GMT
>>BRITAIN, the largest island in the archipelago just north of France;
>>the island of Britain contains three countries: ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, and
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>  It may be tactless and unappreciated, but it is the correct
> geographical term for the area.

U.K. will do just fine,. all of your cards got here as far as I know.  Great
Britain would be okay too. We all know where it is ;-)
Tweed
David Stevenson - 23 Dec 2004 18:19 GMT
>I have discovered a lot of people are geographically challenged. I
>think my Postmaster is one of them. I just remembered one of the cards
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>the British Post Office will get it to its' destination without
>choking the computerized mail reader and sorter? ;-)

 Ahem.

 "United Kingdom of Great Britain, **Northern** Ireland, Wales and
Scotland".

 You do not want to start - err, continue - a war.

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Cheryl Perkins - 09 Dec 2004 15:00 GMT
<snip>
> He said England is ok for this year; but wants me to use Great Britain
> for next year. Has anyone else's Postmaster said this?

I think most postal workers are capable of figuring out either address. I
once got a letter addressed to me in my extremely small and obscure
hometown, except that the writer had mistakenly put down 'USA' instead of
'Canada'. The postal workers still got it to me!

They like to have particular ways of writing the addresses that make it
easier for their machines (eg, in Canada, printing 'town, 2-letter
province abbreviation, postal code' all on one line), and they'll charge
more if you tie your parcels with string that will get caught in the
sorting machines. But they can generally figure out how to get something
to a particular country.

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jmcquown - 09 Dec 2004 15:28 GMT
> <snip>
>> He said England is ok for this year; but wants me to use Great
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> and obscure hometown, except that the writer had mistakenly put down
> 'USA' instead of 'Canada'. The postal workers still got it to me!

It depends entirely on your postal workers.  With the exception of the
holiday cards from the fine folks at rpca, I've had a horrible time with
postal workers in the Memphis area in the USA.

Some examples:  When I go out of town I give them a form requesting they
hold my mail from this date to that date.  They either *don't* hold my mail
or I have to call and ask "would you *please* deliver my mail again?"

Years ago, in a totally different postal code, my friend Diane met me for a
drink.  She said, "Jill, I think this letter is for you."  It was put in HER
mailbox.  Her street name and street address were absolutely nothing close
to mine; we weren't neighbors.  I have no idea to this day how she wound up
with a letter addressed to me.

Then (also a number of years ago) a friend of mine (who coincidentally is a
Postal Inspector) was given a post card I'd mailed to her A YEAR before.
Why?  Because her brother-in-law spotted it while sorting through some "dead
letters" (why it was dead, I don't know!) and took it to her when he went to
dinner with them one night!

Perhaps those who handle International mail are a bit more saavy ;)

Jill
nospam@austin.rr.com - 09 Dec 2004 16:46 GMT
>Today I mailed my international cards. (The domestic cards will get
>finished this weekend.) On the name list, some of the people in UK
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>He said England is ok for this year; but wants me to use Great Britain
>for next year. Has anyone else's Postmaster said this?

FROM www.USPS.gov :

122.1 Destination Address
a. At least the entire right half of the address side of the envelope,
package, or card should be reserved for the destination address,
postage, labels, and postal notations.

b. Addresses must be printed in ink or typewritten. Pencil is
unacceptable.

c. The name and address of addressee must be written legibly with
roman letters and arabic numbers, all placed lengthwise on one side of
the item. For parcels, addresses should also be written on a separate
slip enclosed in the parcel.

d. Addresses in Russian, Greek, Arabic, Hebrew, Cyrillic, Japanese, or
Chinese characters must bear an interline translation in English of
the names of the post office and country of destination. If the
English translation is not known, the foreign language words must be
spelled in roman characters (print or script). See 293.91 and 284.1
for an optional addressing procedure that applies only to direct
country sacks of International Surface Air Lift (ISAL) mail or
International Priority Airmail (IPA), respectively.

e. Mail may not be addressed to a person in one country "in care of" a
person in another country.

f. The name of the sender and/or addressee may not be in initials
except where they are an adopted trade name.

g. Mail may not be addressed to Boxholder or Householder.

h. The following exceptional form of address, in French or a language
known in the country of destination, may be used on printed matter:
the addressee's name or Occupant.

Example: MR THOMAS CLARK OR OCCUPANT

i. The house number and street address or box number must be included
when mail is addressed to towns or cities.

j. The address of items sent to General Delivery (in French, Poste
Restante) must indicate the name of the addressee. The use of
initials; figures; simple, given names; or fictitious names is not
permitted on articles addressed for general delivery.

k. The last line of the address must show only the country name,
written in full (no abbreviations) and in capital letters. For
example:

MR THOMAS CLARK
117 RUSSELL DRIVE
LONDON WIP 6HQ
ENGLAND

MS C P APPLE
APARTADO 3068
46807 PUERTO VALLARTA JALISCO
MEXICO

Exception: To Canada, either of the following address formats may be
used when the postal delivery zone number is included in the address:

MS HELEN SAUNDERS
1010 CLEAR STREET
OTTAWA ON K1A 0B1
CANADA

MS HELEN SAUNDERS
1010 CLEAR STREET
OTTAWA ON CANADA
K1A 0B1

The full link:
http://pe.usps.gov/text/Imm/immc1.html#5A39w270wats
Marina - 09 Dec 2004 19:05 GMT
<snip long set of rules>
 The use of
> initials; figures; simple, given names; or fictitious names is not
> permitted on articles addressed for general delivery.

Hehehe. I wonder what the people who wrote these rules would have said
about the package I picked up from the post office today? It was
addressed to Frank the Cat, the sender was Waffles, and there was a
picture of a certain one-eyed black cat looking coyly over her shoulder
on the package. The postal worker who gave me the package did give me a
funny look. :oD

Signature

Marina, Frank and Nikki
marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi
Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/
and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers - 09 Dec 2004 20:39 GMT
>Hehehe. I wonder what the people who wrote these rules would have said
>about the package I picked up from the post office today? It was
>addressed to Frank the Cat, the sender was Waffles, and there was a
>picture of a certain one-eyed black cat looking coyly over her shoulder
>on the package. The postal worker who gave me the package did give me a
>funny look. :oD

Well it was addressed to the intended recipient and had the correct country
named on it, & legibly printed on the computer and Waffles's picture did have a
short quote for the postman next to it ;-)

My three successfully get cards addressed to Waffles, Francis and Marble , rest
of location and variations of England, UK, United Kingdom and GB from various
parts of the globe that can be called "overseas" ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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Kreisleriana - 09 Dec 2004 18:21 GMT
>Today I mailed my international cards. (The domestic cards will get
>finished this weekend.) On the name list, some of the people in UK
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>He said England is ok for this year; but wants me to use Great Britain
>for next year. Has anyone else's Postmaster said this?

Jeez no.  I send my cards to:
Locality, Post  Code
UK

-- and they always get there.  

Theresa
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 10 Dec 2004 06:17 GMT
> Today I mailed my international cards. (The domestic cards will get
> finished this weekend.) On the name list, some of the people in UK
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> He said England is ok for this year; but wants me to use Great Britain
> for next year. Has anyone else's Postmaster said this?

Of course I don't mail that much overseas, but I just put
the required postage on the envelope and drop it in the
nearest letterbox.  SFAIK, they intended recipients have
always received them!

> --
> CATherine
Adrian - 10 Dec 2004 15:57 GMT
> Today I mailed my international cards. (The domestic cards will get
> finished this weekend.) On the name list, some of the people in UK
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> He said England is ok for this year; but wants me to use Great Britain
> for next year. Has anyone else's Postmaster said this?

I've received 10 cards so far from the USA, all say UK or United
Kingdom, and most got here in 3 or 4 days. England is part of the United
Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as is Scotland and Wales.

According to the british post office, the last thing on the address
should be the postcode, even on items from abroad.
Signature

Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera)
A house is not a home, without a cat.

Christina Websell - 10 Dec 2004 19:12 GMT
>> We were
>> discussing acronyms and different place names. Then he looked up in
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> According to the british post office, the last thing on the address
> should be the postcode, even on items from abroad.

I've had 9 rpca cards up to now, from USA, Canada, Finland and *UK*
They have all reached me with U.K on them.  Except the British ones of
course.
Thanks, Adrian, got yours today and Helen M's yesterday.
I look forward to opening my front door every morning to see what might be
in the porch ;-)

Tweed
 
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