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Kreisleriana - 08 Dec 2004 06:15 GMT
I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
Fifth Avenue apartment building for eleven years, and  raised 23
chicks there-- and have been watched with fascination and affection
all these years-- has been evicted.  Without any warning, this
morning, workers dismantled and discarded the bird's nest.  

These birds, known to their many fans as "Pale Male" and "Lola" were
the focus of a devoted community of bird watchers, and others who were
captivated to see a wild bird flourish, and raise families in the
middle of the big city.  I cannot really adequately communicate what
these bird meant to people.   And I cannot imagine what kind of state
this act has left the birds in.    I understand that residents of the
building have debated about removing the nest for many years, but I
just cannot imagine the kind of small-minded, petty selfishness that
finally went through with it.

   
Please, if you think of it, please spare some purrs for these now
homeless birds.

Theresa
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My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Takayuki - 08 Dec 2004 06:58 GMT
>I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
>red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
>Fifth Avenue apartment building for eleven years, and  raised 23
>chicks there-- and have been watched with fascination and affection
>all these years-- has been evicted.  Without any warning, this
>morning, workers dismantled and discarded the bird's nest.  

What an awful thing to happen!  I looked on the web and found this
page:

http://www.palemale.com/

It says that the reason that the building owner got permission to
remove the nest is because they claimed that the nest was inactive.
But there are birdwatchers who claim that it is still very much an
active nest.
Jeanne Hedge - 08 Dec 2004 07:21 GMT
>I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
>red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
>Fifth Avenue apartment building for eleven years, and  raised 23
>chicks there-- and have been watched with fascination and affection
>all these years-- has been evicted.  Without any warning, this
>morning, workers dismantled and discarded the bird's nest.  

Is this a nest the birds built themselves, or a bird house type nest?

I ask because I've watched a pair of sparrows (I think they're
sparrows) who nest in the rain gutter over my deck for several years.
Picture an L-shaped gutter system, where the base and stem of the L
are 2 different unconnected gutters, one directly above the other
(clearance is inches). The nest was where the base and stem come
together, which is the endplate of each gutter (no downspouts in
either location).

It was a perfect location for the birds - out of the weather,
protected from predators, easy access to a tree off the corner of my
deck. And when my landlord had the gutters cleaned early this past
Spring, the nest was removed.

The sparrows had their own ideas about the subject, and rebuilt their
nest in the same location in nothing flat. No idea if the hawk family
will do the same thing, but if they like the location and there's no
physical barrier to them doing so I hope they do come back!!!

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

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Karen Chuplis - 08 Dec 2004 12:24 GMT
>> I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
>> red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> ============
> http://www.jhedge.com

That's what I was thinking. They may just rebuild it. I'm sure they will
build a new home, but I am very sorry to hear about this. I would certainly
complain loudly.
Kreisleriana - 08 Dec 2004 14:00 GMT
>>I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
>>red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Is this a nest the birds built themselves, or a bird house type nest?

They built it themselves.  It's on an overhanging cornice on the
building's facade.  Ironically, it has spikes on it to prevent birds
from nesting, but the hawks used the spikes as supports, and built a
real doozy of a nest.  ;)  
The building is across the street from Central Park, where the birds
have an unlimited supply of pigeons.  

(snip)>
>It was a perfect location for the birds - out of the weather,
>protected from predators, easy access to a tree off the corner of my
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>will do the same thing, but if they like the location and there's no
>physical barrier to them doing so I hope they do come back!!!

I hope they do that.  I am picturing them right now, upset and
disoriented.  

Theresa
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Debbie Wilson - 08 Dec 2004 14:20 GMT
> The building is across the street from Central Park, where the birds
> have an unlimited supply of pigeons.  

Cities should be grateful to have such efficient and eco-friendly pest
control residing voluntarily across the street! Let's hope the birds
take matters into their own talons and build the nest straight back up
again.

Deb.
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Marina - 08 Dec 2004 13:18 GMT
> I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
> red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> just cannot imagine the kind of small-minded, petty selfishness that
> finally went through with it.

That's terrible. We're purring hard for the birds.

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jmcquown - 08 Dec 2004 18:03 GMT
> I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
> red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

This just BITES!  After 11 years, what harm were the birds doing?  Why
suddenly dismantle their nest?  It makes no sense.  Purrs and birdy chirps
on the way.

On a humorous note, Peaches the love bird, who is the bathen'st bird I've
ever owned hadn't taken a bath in a week.  I'd refilled the plant spritzer
so the water was at room temp.  I spritzed her last night and she decided
hmmm, maybe I *do* need a bath!  So she got down in her oversized water dish
and went to town.  It's so funny to watch!  She was soaking wet by the time
she was done.  After thoroughly preening she was running around the cage,
ringing her bell toys and chirping like mad :)  It makes me smile.

Jill
Kreisleriana - 08 Dec 2004 18:46 GMT
>> I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
>> red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>suddenly dismantle their nest?  It makes no sense.  Purrs and birdy chirps
>on the way.

Some residents-- and more to the point, the real estate people-- were
upset with the bird droppings, and the pigeon remains that would fall
out of the nest.  And it is quite a beautiful building, so I'm sure
people with a limited idea of beauty, and more concern with real
estate values, though the nest was an eyesore.

I also think that some building residents didn't like the idea of
crowds of people across the street watching their building with
high-powered binoculars and telecopes.  I'm not kidding.  These birds
had a following like the Grateful Dead. ;)

But it all comes down to the bottom line.  I just wrote a letter to
the real estate company that ended:
>These birds have spiritually enriched countless lives, but spiritual enrichment is obviously not your priority.

>On a humorous note, Peaches the love bird, who is the bathen'st bird I've
>ever owned hadn't taken a bath in a week.  I'd refilled the plant spritzer
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>she was done.  After thoroughly preening she was running around the cage,
>ringing her bell toys and chirping like mad :)  It makes me smile.

Oh so cute!

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
jmcquown - 09 Dec 2004 00:08 GMT
>>> I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
>>> red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> crowds of people across the street watching their building with
> high-powered binoculars and telecopes.

I'm sure the birds were immensely more interesting than the residents'
getting ready for bed routines.  Ever heard of curtains or shades?  Sheesh!

As for bird droppings... do they think pigeons use toilet paper?  Now let me
think... pigeon remains.  Like no one in that neighborhood *ever*
encountered litter on the sidewalk; a bunched up bag containing the remains
of gnawed-on Kentucky Fried Chicken bones.  Okay, maybe not LOL  But
still... it's just so sad.

Jill
Christine Burel - 08 Dec 2004 18:15 GMT
Oh, how awful -- I'd call the Fish and Game people and see if they are a
protected species -- maybe the apartment building is in for a fine.  Maybe
an artificial nesting spot can be made attractive nearby?  So sad.
Christine

> I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
> red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Mary - 08 Dec 2004 18:48 GMT
>I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
>red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>    
Hawks are protected animals. You cannot touch their nest. It is a Fish & Game
regulation violation. A major one. You cannot touch their nest, an egg, a baby.
You cannot destroy their nest. You cannot harm the adults. You would need a
federal permit to be able to remove the nest. You probably wouldn't get one.
Did htey just not like a little bird poop? Some hawks eat pigeons. Eating
pigeons cuts down on poop. Hawks also eat mice, rats and squirrels. They're
good for the environment. What a shame. I would report them if they did this
without proper permits.
Kreisleriana - 08 Dec 2004 19:22 GMT
>>I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
>>red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>good for the environment. What a shame. I would report them if they did this
>without proper permits.

It seems they got a permit from Fish and Wildlife to take down the
nest.  But they did it fraudulently.  They claimed that the nest was
"inactive."  

Theresa
Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Christine Burel - 09 Dec 2004 01:39 GMT
I'd call the local news people in on this one, too.  Also, if Fish and Game
issued a permit without verifying if the nest site was inactive they're in
violation of their own law.  If the bird watching community has actual
photos of these birds raising chicks this year then that would prove the
nest was not inactive, not to mention the great photos for a newscast.
Christine

> >>I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
> >>red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Cheryl - 09 Dec 2004 01:48 GMT
> I'd call the local news people in on this one, too.  Also, if
> Fish and Game issued a permit without verifying if the nest site
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> inactive, not to mention the great photos for a newscast.
> Christine

I didn't reply when I read this. But after time to think and stew, it
bothers me very much that our species feels the right to decide on
the living quarters of other species. Where did we get that right?
Because we can talk? Because we have thumbs and can work tools? We
all live on this planet and it irks me that we decide where other
species are allowed to live. Hell, if we quit stealing their natural
habitat, they wouldn't encroach on "ours".

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Karen Chuplis - 09 Dec 2004 03:27 GMT
>> I'd call the local news people in on this one, too.  Also, if
>> Fish and Game issued a permit without verifying if the nest site
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> species are allowed to live. Hell, if we quit stealing their natural
> habitat, they wouldn't encroach on "ours".

I saw this on CBS tonight. It is very very sad :(  Mary Tyler Moore lives in
that building and was told it was a consensus of a poll taken in the
building but she was never polled! The Audobon (sp?) Society is looking into
it, but I just feel very bad for those hawks.
Marina - 09 Dec 2004 03:40 GMT
> I didn't reply when I read this. But after time to think and stew, it
> bothers me very much that our species feels the right to decide on
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> species are allowed to live. Hell, if we quit stealing their natural
> habitat, they wouldn't encroach on "ours".

Well said, Cheryl.

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John F. Eldredge - 12 Dec 2004 03:14 GMT
>> I'd call the local news people in on this one, too.  Also, if
>> Fish and Game issued a permit without verifying if the nest site
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>species are allowed to live. Hell, if we quit stealing their natural
> habitat, they wouldn't encroach on "ours".

Most of us do draw the line at some point, however.  When I bought
this house, it had cockroaches in the kitchen, which I had to
eradicate.  I accept the fact that there are some cockroaches living
in my yard (I have seen them outside, although not often), but I
don't care to share my living quarters and food with them.

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Cheryl Perkins - 12 Dec 2004 13:18 GMT
> I didn't reply when I read this. But after time to think and stew, it
> bothers me very much that our species feels the right to decide on
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> species are allowed to live. Hell, if we quit stealing their natural
> habitat, they wouldn't encroach on "ours".

We do, in a sense, because we are the most powerful species on the planet.
You can come up with other reasons, and you can call it 'responsibility'
instead of 'right', but that's what it comes down to, in my opinion. We
have the power to modify our (not their; we're part of nature too) natural
habitat and with that comes the responsibility (I tend to think of
'right' as simply a current invention of humn political theory) to do it
wisely, and with the best interests of all creatures in mind.

That would be my answer to your question about 'where did we get that
right?', but since I think rights are fairly arbitrary and determined by
the political system of the day, I actually answered 'why' (power).

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CatNipped - 09 Dec 2004 14:02 GMT
> I'd call the local news people in on this one, too.  Also, if Fish and
> Game
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> nest was not inactive, not to mention the great photos for a newscast.
> Christine

CNN already has the story...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/08/nest.removed.reut/index.html

Hugs,

CatNipped
Julie Cook - 08 Dec 2004 20:14 GMT
>    
> Please, if you think of it, please spare some purrs for these now
> homeless birds.

This is so very wrong! These people should have their homes torn out
from under them. Oh, just don't get me started, grrrrrr. Purrs and
meatloaf meditations going out from my four furries for the Redtails.

Julie
Jeanne Hedge - 09 Dec 2004 04:16 GMT
The Red-tails have made CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/08/nest.removed.reut/index.html
(includes a picture from March 2004)

Outrage over Pale Male's eviction
Hawk tries to rebuild
Wednesday, December 8, 2004 Posted: 6:17 PM EST (2317 GMT)

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- He was a movie star who resided on Manhattan's
tony Upper East Side, drawing a devoted crowd of followers who
gathered daily to catch a glimpse of him.

But on Tuesday, that star -- a famous red-tailed hawk known as Pale
Male who built his nest above a cornice of an apartment building
overlooking Central Park and was the subject of a documentary movie --
was evicted.

The nest where Pale Male and his companions had resided since 1993 was
removed along with the metal spikes that provided support for the nest
and protected it from the wind.

The action outraged bird lovers, including actress Mary Tyler Moore,
who lives in the same building as the hawk.

"I am just amazed at the insensitivity ... of people who have torn
away a nest that had been used for 10 years by an extraordinary
red-tail hawk," Moore said.

Moore attributed the decision to complaints over "the occasional bird
droppings" that the hawks produced.

The building's management company said of the nest removal, "It was a
researched and thought-out decision on the part of the building."

Pale Male's unusual decision to take up residence in Manhattan and
raise his young 12 stories above the park captivated bird watchers and
inspired a book and a documentary film.

On Wednesday, Pale Male and Lola, his female companion, could be seen
circling the building and bringing back twigs to try to rebuild the
nest, which bird watchers said would be futile without the metal
spikes to support it.

E.J. McAdams, executive director of the local Audubon Society, said he
contacted the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to see if there was any
violation in removing the nest.

A spokeswoman for the Fish and Wildlife Service said it had been
contacted by the building about removing the nest.

"Our response to them was that removing a nest, if unoccupied by
chicks or eggs, does not require a permit under the Migratory Bird
Treaty Act," she said.

Pale Male supporters were organizing a sunset vigil outside the
apartment to urge the building to restore the nest.

"Our goal is to get the nest back up," McAdams said.

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

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Karen Chuplis - 09 Dec 2004 05:07 GMT
> The Red-tails have made CNN.
>
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
>
> "Our goal is to get the nest back up," McAdams said.

Heh. I hope enough people congregate outside the building to make the people
who live there bird droppings weren't so bad after all.
polonca12000 - 09 Dec 2004 09:40 GMT
Lots of purrs for the poor birds,
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<snip>
> Please, if you think of it, please spare some purrs for these now
> homeless birds.
>
> Theresa
> Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh
> My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com
Adrian - 09 Dec 2004 15:46 GMT
> I am so outraged, I can barely restrain myself.  The beautiful
> red-tailed hawk and his mate, who made their home on the facade of a
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Please, if you think of it, please spare some purrs for these now
> homeless birds.

Birds only use the nest to raise young. I expect next year they will
rebuild the nest next year as it has been successful for them in the
past. Purrs for the hawks, and all those that care about them.
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