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What was she trying to tell me?

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Dan M - 06 Dec 2004 22:16 GMT
Harri and I spent the last half of Saturday and all of Sunday morning
sitting at a truckstop outside of Phoenix waiting to pick up a load for
El Paso. We picked it up yesterday and delivered this morning. When we
were done we headed for the truck stop in Anthony, TX. It had been
raining and blowing all day, so when it partially cleared just after
noon I decided we ought to get in our kitten walk.

There's a big expanse of open desert right next to the truck stop, so
that's where we went. When we do our kitty walks from a truck stop,
Harri is initially tense and anxious. She doesn't like being near other
people's trucks, and she REALLY doesn't like being near other people, so
I always cary here until we're clear of the truck stop and out in the open.

Today when I put her down she remained tense, and did that
low-to-the-ground high-speed slink that kitties do when they want to get
away from something. I helped by following close behind and lifting her
over gullies to big for her to jump, and once we got a couple hundred
yards away she was calmed down and enjoying herself again. We stayed out
till the wind came up and the dark clouds started blowing over - about
an hour. I told her we needed to start heading back, and she dutifully
adjusted course to head back (have I mentioned what an absolutely
wonderfully behaved kitten she is, and how well she understands
English?). Everything went great until we got within a couple hundred
yards of the truck stop again. All of a sudden it was low-to-the-ground
slink time again.

She was obviously terrified of something at the truck stop. But our only
way out of here is my truck, parked at the truck stop. So I picked her
up, put her inside my coat, held her trembling little body close, and
walked as quickly back to the truck as I could. Once we got into the
truck she was fine again. In fact, she's now sound asleep on the
passenger's seat.

I'm trying to figure out what had her so terrified. Was it something at
the truck stop? Something about the derelict barbeque restaurant next
door? I sure would like to know, because she was one scared kitty.

I know one truck stop we won't be kitty walking from again!
Denise VanDyke - 06 Dec 2004 22:32 GMT
> Harri and I spent the last half of Saturday and all of Sunday morning
> sitting at a truckstop outside of Phoenix waiting to pick up a load for
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>
> I know one truck stop we won't be kitty walking from again!

Might be worth asking other truckers in that area if there have been
problems at that stop.  Maybe she's picking up "bad vibes" or something.

- Denise Brennasmeowmy
Dan M - 06 Dec 2004 22:57 GMT
> Might be worth asking other truckers in that area if there have been
> problems at that stop.  Maybe she's picking up "bad vibes" or something.
>
> - Denise Brennasmeowmy

That's a good idea. I'll find other drivers with pets and ask if their
pets have picked up on anything, and I'll check the history of this
truck stop and the BBQ as well.
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Dec 2004 22:34 GMT
> I'm trying to figure out what had her so terrified. Was it something at the
> truck stop? Something about the derelict barbeque restaurant next door? I
> sure would like to know, because she was one scared kitty.

How is she around dogs?  Maybe another driver had a dog nearby ...

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Dan M - 06 Dec 2004 22:56 GMT
> How is she around dogs?  Maybe another driver had a dog nearby ...

She likes dogs about as much as she likes people. Which is to say, not
at all. I've seen her behavior when  dog turned up close by while we
were walking, and it wasn't at that time nearly as extreme as her
reaction today.
Jeanne Hedge - 06 Dec 2004 23:28 GMT
>> How is she around dogs?  Maybe another driver had a dog nearby ...
>
>She likes dogs about as much as she likes people. Which is to say, not
>at all. I've seen her behavior when  dog turned up close by while we
>were walking, and it wasn't at that time nearly as extreme as her
>reaction today.

Maybe it's something as simple as that area had been used as a "litter
box" by dogs for many years and she didn't want to have anything to do
with it?

Jeanne Hedge, as directed by Natasha

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Dan M - 07 Dec 2004 17:06 GMT
> Maybe it's something as simple as that area had been used as a "litter
> box" by dogs for many years and she didn't want to have anything to do
> with it?

That is indeed a possibility. As is the fact that while walking there I
saw the largest dog or wolf print I've ever seen - it was about as big
across as a horse's hoofprint.
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Dec 2004 22:28 GMT
>> Maybe it's something as simple as that area had been used as a "litter box"
>> by dogs for many years and she didn't want to have anything to do with it?
>
> That is indeed a possibility. As is the fact that while walking there I saw
> the largest dog or wolf print I've ever seen - it was about as big across as
> a horse's hoofprint.

Friend of mine was recently telling me about a dog his family had.  Part
husky, part timber wolf.  Something like 230 pounds in his prime.  My gawd,
that's a big dog!

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Christina Websell - 08 Dec 2004 00:48 GMT
>>> Maybe it's something as simple as that area had been used as a "litter
>>> box"
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> gawd,
> that's a big dog!

EEEK.  That's nearly twice as heavy as me.<hides>
Are you sure this dog was about 18 stone?  Surely not.  Huskies can be quite
big, and so can timber wolves.  Maybe 56lbs each.  That's plenty big enough.
I find it it hard to believe that a husky/wolf cross could weigh 230 pounds.
I think your friend was teasing you.

Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Dec 2004 01:02 GMT
>> Friend of mine was recently telling me about a dog his family had.  Part
>> husky, part timber wolf.  Something like 230 pounds in his prime.  My gawd,
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> believe that a husky/wolf cross could weigh 230 pounds.  I think your friend
> was teasing you.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't teasing, though he might have been mistaken.

I've certainly met dogs well over 100 pounds.  He said that timber wolves can
be over 200.  Maybe he has a different variety near him in the Canadian wilds
than you have, or maybe he was mistaken about the type of wolf?

I asked him for pictures, but he said he'll have to go searching, as they
haven't been scanned.

230 will never be twice as big as me, that's for sure!

Hrm.  According to google, it's actually closer to 16.4 stone.  I never
understood the stone measurement, though.  It seems mightily imprecise.  I
guess that would be handy after holiday binging, though ...

I just re-read my IRC logs, and he actually said 280.

Well, there are 300-400 pound humans running around as football players and
whatnot, so I suppose anything's possible ...

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Christina Websell - 08 Dec 2004 02:09 GMT
>>> Friend of mine was recently telling me about a dog his family had.  Part
>>> husky, part timber wolf.  Something like 230 pounds in his prime.  My
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>
> I'm pretty sure he wasn't teasing, though he might have been mistaken.

I think so.

> I've certainly met dogs well over 100 pounds.

Big male Rottweillers can exceed that weight by miles, Male German Shepherd
can.

He said that timber wolves can
> be over 200.  Maybe he has a different variety near him in the Canadian
> wilds
> than you have, or maybe he was mistaken about the type of wolf?
>
> I asked him for pictures, but he said he'll have to go searching, as they
> haven't been scanned.

I can't believe any wolf could weigh 200 lbs, nearly twice as much as me?
No way.

> Hrm.  According to google, it's actually closer to 16.4 stone.

I was only guessing.

I never understood the stone measurement, though.  It seems mightily
imprecise.  I
> guess that would be handy after holiday binging, though ...

!4lbs = 1 stone.

Tweed
Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Dec 2004 05:11 GMT
>  I never understood the stone measurement, though.  It seems mightily
>  imprecise.  I
>> guess that would be handy after holiday binging, though ...
>
> !4lbs = 1 stone.

Yeah, I get that it is exact as it goes.  But say that someone's 18 stone, or
whatever, and that has a potential span of 14 pounds.  In other words, it's
accurate within about 1.5 cats.  For some things, that's plenty accurate.  For
others, like weighing humans and cats, it seems a bit too coarse a
granularity.

Maybe this is just my cultural bias.

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Adrian - 09 Dec 2004 14:56 GMT
>>  I never understood the stone measurement, though.  It seems mightily
>>  imprecise.  I
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>
> Maybe this is just my cultural bias.

Weight in Britain is usually expressed as stones and pounds.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 09 Dec 2004 21:15 GMT
> Weight in Britain is usually expressed as stones and pounds.

Okay.  I'd never seen stone used that way (in combo with pounds).  That makes
perfect sense, doesn't it?  I don't know why that didn't occur to me.

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Christina Websell - 09 Dec 2004 21:30 GMT
>> Weight in Britain is usually expressed as stones and pounds.
>
> Okay.  I'd never seen stone used that way (in combo with pounds).  That
> makes
> perfect sense, doesn't it?  I don't know why that didn't occur to me.

For example:  I weigh 9 stone 12 lbs.   Once I get to 9 stone 14lbs I weigh
10 stone.
Easy, eh? ;-)
I can't visualise pounds more than a hundredweight (cwt)  112lbs.  That's 8
stone.  Sometimes wheat is sold in this quantity, and I can't lift it.
I cannot imagine what people look like if they say they weigh 200lbs, or
300lbs.  I can only understand and completely be able to *look* at them in
my mind if they tell me in stones and pounds.

International greetings from Great Britain (or the U.K. as I prefer to call
it)  Where
imperial measure still rocks.

Tweed

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Monique Y. Mudama - 09 Dec 2004 21:51 GMT
> For example:  I weigh 9 stone 12 lbs.   Once I get to 9 stone 14lbs I weigh
> 10 stone.  Easy, eh? ;-) I can't visualise pounds more than a hundredweight
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> International greetings from Great Britain (or the U.K. as I prefer to call
> it)  Where imperial measure still rocks.

It all makes sense.  I guess I've only ever heard people speaking of X stone,
or X and a half stone, but then, I would say 110 or 115 lb if casually talking
about something that weighed 112, wouldn't I?

I remember taking a ski lesson once in Park City, Utah.  One of the guys was I
believe Scottish.  We were talking about proper skis and bindings, and boy,
was the instructor thrown for a loop when he asked the guy how much he
weighed, and the guy answered in stone!

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Jo Firey - 08 Dec 2004 03:16 GMT
>>> Maybe it's something as simple as that area had been used as a "litter
>>> box"
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> gawd,
> that's a big dog!

That can't be right.  75 pounds would be very large for either breed.  I
doubt a bull mastiff would go 200 pounds.

Jo
Howard Berkowitz - 08 Dec 2004 04:16 GMT
> >>> Maybe it's something as simple as that area had been used as a
> >>> "litter
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> That can't be right.  75 pounds would be very large for either breed.  I
> doubt a bull mastiff would go 200 pounds.

I've known one Doberman that was around 200. Baron was not at all fat.  

In contrast, and I didn't know her exact weight, I also knew an obese
Doberman. She looked like a black cow with a funny muzzle.
Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Dec 2004 05:11 GMT
> In contrast, and I didn't know her exact weight, I also knew an obese
> Doberman. She looked like a black cow with a funny muzzle.

Great image =)

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John F. Eldredge - 12 Dec 2004 04:40 GMT
>> Maybe it's something as simple as that area had been used as a
>> "litter box" by dogs for many years and she didn't want to have
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>there I  saw the largest dog or wolf print I've ever seen - it was
>about as big  across as a horse's hoofprint.

That would be enough to spook _me_, let alone a cat.  Sounds like
someone has pulled a _Jurassic Park_ stunt, reviving Dire Wolves.

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Tanada - 12 Dec 2004 21:06 GMT
>> Maybe it's something as simple as that area had been used as a "litter
>> box" by dogs for many years and she didn't want to have anything to do
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> saw the largest dog or wolf print I've ever seen - it was about as big
> across as a horse's hoofprint.

Another example of military impact, I guess.  When we were stationed at
El Paso (Ft Bliss, aka Ft Blister) Rob was in charge of guard duty at
the airfield one night.  He saw the BIGGEST coyote he'd ever seen.  He
said the darn thing looked like you could throw a saddle over it and
ride off into the sunset.

How did the beggar get that huge?  One theory was that he was living off
of left over MREs, scraps, and abandoned animals that the military had
left out in the desert.  I don't know about that, but I do know that the
desert kangaroo rats at Ft Irwin, California were jokingly called ROUS
(rodents of unusual size) as in the Princess Bride.

Pam S.
 
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