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[OT] Tips for Coping
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CatNipped - 03 Dec 2004 15:54 GMT Baha's recent post inspired this. For those of you who don't want to talk in person (and that is one of the symptoms of depression - we don't have the energy to make the effort to get help), I'm putting down here some of the things to watch for as the early signs of depression (the earlier you catch it, the easier it is to overcome - and as strange as it may seem, we don't always recognize it when we begin to feel depressed), and some tips on what you can do to help yourself get through.
Signs to watch for:
- Feelings of lethargy, not wanting to put forth the effort to do anything. - Changing your normal routine without apparent cause. - Feeling alone or isolated from the rest of the world. - Loss of appetite (or, for some, eating much more than you normally do). - Sudden weight loss or weight gain. - Wanting to sleep, not wanting to get out of bed or, adversely, insomnia. - Sudden bursts of weeping for no apparent reason. - Memories of bad things that happened to you that seem to stick in your head. - Dwelling on the loss of someone or something important in your life. - Wanting to hear sad songs over and over again. - Feeling annoyed when someone around you is acting happy, bubbly, excited, etc. - Feeling angry about something that wouldn't ordinarily make you angry. - Feeling "clingy" with partners or pets or, adversely, not wanting to be touched. - Shutting yourself off from others by going to another room to be alone, or going driving alone.
(And lots of others that may be specific to an individual - learn to recognize your own signs of depression.)
Things you can do to help get yourself through to the "other side" of your bouts of depression. These are *IN ADDITION TO* getting help from a doctor or psychiatrist. [PLEASE - don't be ashamed or afraid to seek professional help. Society tends to stigmatize people with mental health issues ignoring that fact that there are *MILLIONS* of people who suffer from these problems. The only shame involved is when you know you need help but refuse to seek in.]
- Smile! This is weird, but it works and I'll tell you why it works. B.F. Skinner showed us that we have physiological reactions - real physical changes to our bodies - when using repeated, or "learned" stimuli. Just as his dogs salivated when he rang a bell, our bodies "learn" that certain actions are associated with certain reactions and will automatically trigger physical responses to associated actions. From the time we are born we smile when we feel happy, loved, secure, and comforted. What makes us feel those things (or maybe because we are feeling those things - cause and effect here are a bit tenuous), is that endorphins are being released in our brains. Endorphins are very powerful hormones equivalent to morphine. They help to ease pain and they make us feel good. For all our lives our bodies have associated the physical act of smiling with the release of those endorphins. Even if you are feeling terribly depressed, *FORCE* yourself to put a smile on your face and consciously *FORCE* yourself to *KEEP* a smile on your face. After a few minutes your brain will start releasing endorphins and you will begin to feel better. This really does work, try it even if you're not feeling depressed and note the difference in your feelings! - DO something. Rearrange the furniture, clean out a closet, and if you don't like housework, just pack up the kids and take a walk. This accomplishes two things. First of all, the physical exertion will help wash out of your bloodstream the hormones and chemicals that are associated with depression. Secondly, just the act of doing something, anything, helps get rid of that feeling of helplessness. You are taking charge of something, no matter how small, and this leads to confidence that you can take charge of the larger things. - Exercise (along with or in addition to the above for the same reasons). - Find a friend to talk to. Even if there is nothing they can do to help you out of your situation, it will at least keep you in contact with a "saner" perspective on things (providing you pick a sane friend, that is ;> ). - Help someone else in need. An act of kindness or charity will make you feel better about yourself and might also help you put your problems into a better perspective. Caveat: don't choose someone whose problems are similar to your own, don't get into a hopeless situation that will depress you further - you want something that will take you out of yourself and get you involved with something other than your problems. Choose someone who *CAN* be helped, not a "hopeless cause". - Rent the funniest movies you remember seeing, things that you know will make you laugh in spite of what you may be feeling. - Put on fast-paced, upbeat music and get up and dance (pick up a kitty and dance with him/her. - Play! Play with the kitties, go to a park or playground and swing on the swings. Let yourself enjoy the physical sensations and the freedom of acting silly no matter who might be watching. - Stand in front of a mirror and make funny faces at yourself - stick out your tongue, wiggle your ears, do something to keep from taking yourself too seriously, show yourself that that your can make fun of yourself and your problems. - Think about, and make concrete plans for, something fun in the near future (like a special treat for Valentine's day or your or your honey's birthday. Write down all the things you want to do to make the occasion festive. - Have sex (even if it's just with yourself ;>). Make your body feel good and get reconnected with life. - Eat chocolate. It's been shown that chocolate affects the same area of the brain that sex does, especially in women.
I hope that some of this helps whoever is out there who may be dealing with seasonal depression. Again, feel free to email me your phone number and I *WILL* call you to talk about whatever it is that is making your feel depressed and try to help make you feel better (it's my repayment for being given a second chance at life - see below).
As for me, I am so grateful that I did not succeed in taking my own life 28 years ago. Back then I thought I would be so much better off dead, life meant nothing but pain and I could *NOT* foresee things *EVER* getting better. Looking back it takes my breath away when I think about the unbelievably happy, joyous things I would have missed had I succeeded - meeting my current DH who make my life *SO* sweet; seeing my kids graduate; seeing my kids get married; seeing my grandbabies being born; the wonderful kitties I've loved since then - more happy things that I could ever list here, and none of those things would I have experienced had I be successful in my efforts. I am thankful every day of my life (even the ones when I am battling depression) for the second chance I was given. Life is *NEVER* so bad that we can't get through it and there is *ALWAYS* something better that will happen if you can just stick it out and get through the bad times.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Jo Firey - 03 Dec 2004 17:31 GMT You cannot know how timely this is for me. I'm going thru a bad spell. A lot of losses I can't seem to get my head around, poor health, a little help from some nasty medication and the season have all ganged up on me at once.
I must say I am grateful for and thankful for being older and having been here before. It was so much harder when I was young and didn't really know there was light on the other side.
I'll be OK. I'm weaning off the bad medicine. And seeing my doctor Monday.
The sun is out today and I will go out and sit in the light if I do nothing else all day.
We are having an unusual cold spell, and plans for the next trip to the store include warm socks and gloves to be dropped off at the rescue mission. We have a large local population that just kind of camps in the riverbottoms. Usually it isn't all that bad for them but it usually isn't this cold.
I wish I could take you up on the talk. Part of the loss is the loss of my hearing. I was scheduled for a cochlear implant in July only to have it yanked away by my insurance on the day before surgery. Now I have been on disability long enough to get Medicare and I understand they will cover it. Next appointment with the hearing doctors is December 8th.
Jo
> Baha's recent post inspired this. For those of you who don't want to talk > in person (and that is one of the symptoms of depression - we don't have [quoted text clipped - 119 lines] > > CatNipped CatNipped - 03 Dec 2004 17:56 GMT > You cannot know how timely this is for me. I'm going thru a bad spell. A > lot of losses I can't seem to get my head around, poor health, a little > help from some nasty medication and the season have all ganged up on me at > once. Oh wow, purrs that your health improves very soon.
> I must say I am grateful for and thankful for being older and having been > here before. It was so much harder when I was young and didn't really [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The sun is out today and I will go out and sit in the light if I do > nothing else all day. That's another thing that contributes to depression at this time of year - the darkness and dreariness, sunshine can literally help lighten up your life.
> We are having an unusual cold spell, and plans for the next trip to the > store include warm socks and gloves to be dropped off at the rescue > mission. We have a large local population that just kind of camps in the > riverbottoms. Usually it isn't all that bad for them but it usually isn't > this cold. Good on you! Bless you for helping out those less fortunate.
> I wish I could take you up on the talk. Part of the loss is the loss of > my hearing. I was scheduled for a cochlear implant in July only to have > it yanked away by my insurance on the day before surgery. Now I have been > on disability long enough to get Medicare and I understand they will cover > it. Next appointment with the hearing doctors is December 8th. Well, feel free to email me whenever you like, lcrew(at)houston(dot)rr(dot)com, and we can still "talk" for as long as you'd like. Or, just continue the discussion here - I'm sure other's won't object, this may be helping those who don't want to actively participate in this discussion or those who just "lurk" here without posting.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Enfilade - 04 Dec 2004 00:22 GMT > > You cannot know how timely this is for me. I'm going thru a bad spell. A > > lot of losses I can't seem to get my head around, poor health, a little > > help from some nasty medication and the season have all ganged up on me at > > once. > > Oh wow, purrs that your health improves very soon. May I also add that those who feel a tendency towards self-injury, or a tendency towards venting one's wrath on others, realize that these things are symptoms of a disease. They don't make you evil or worthless or weak. It is a disease that can be TREATED. If you can't ask for help, get someone else to call the doctor for you, and go with you. If you go on medication, it will not make you artificially happy or mess up your personality. I learned these things firsthand this year--if only I'd known what the medication did, and didn't, do. Thank the Gods my partner's a medical student, and recognized what was really happening with me.
Bright Blessings to all.
--Fil
polonca12000 - 03 Dec 2004 22:50 GMT Lots of purrs for you to be approved for the operation and for it to be a success,
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> I wish I could take you up on the talk. Part of the loss is the loss of my > hearing. I was scheduled for a cochlear implant in July only to have it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Jo jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Dec 2004 00:07 GMT > I wish I could take you up on the talk. Part of the loss is the > loss of my hearing. I was scheduled for a cochlear implant in July > only to have it yanked away by my insurance on the day before surgery. Oh, GRRRRR! One of my pet peeves! I'm so sorry that happened to you.
Being hard of hearing can be extremely isolating, and if you're battling depression, you don't need barriers to getting help and support.
> Now I have been on disability long enough to get Medicare and I > understand they will cover it. Next appointment with the hearing > doctors is December 8th. Yay! I hope it goes well.
Very-rumbly-so-they-can-be-felt purrs, Joyce
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 06 Dec 2004 02:38 GMT > You cannot know how timely this is for me. I'm going thru a bad spell. A > lot of losses I can't seem to get my head around, poor health, a little help [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > here before. It was so much harder when I was young and didn't really know > there was light on the other side. Too true! That's why the incidence of teen-age suicide is higher than that of older adults - They haven't learned yet that "all things pass", so things that an older person accepts and lives through seem major tragedies to them. (And too many tragedies all at the same time will upset ANYONE'S sense of balance - it's just that as we grow older we develop more of a sense of proportion.)
> I'll be OK. Of course you will! Just hang in there, and know that you have a great many "virtual" friends, here, who will send purrs and prayers your way.
Kreisleriana - 03 Dec 2004 20:49 GMT >Baha's recent post inspired this. For those of you who don't want to talk >in person (and that is one of the symptoms of depression - we don't have the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >- Feelings of lethargy, not wanting to put forth the effort to do anything. <snip much good advice>
I'm like that *all* the time! ;) I consider that normal. I really treasure my lack of drive. I wish I lived in Italy or Spain, where they don't think work is the most important thing in life. ;)
BUT SERIOUSLY, these are all great suggestions, and I only butted in to make a wisecrack. As a veteran of many clinical depressions, I endorse everything Nipped said. Especially about doing everything you possibly can to make yourself laugh. When I'm feeling down, I get out the "Far Side" and "Calvin and Hobbes" books.
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jmcquown - 03 Dec 2004 21:22 GMT >> Baha's recent post inspired this. For those of you who don't want >> to talk in person (and that is one of the symptoms of depression - [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Theresa Wisecracks or no, you'd be surprised. A friend of mine lives in Spain and guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She also irons table cloths, napkins, underwear, t-shirts and jeans.
I'm saying to myself... shake out the jeans and hang them. Fold the t-shirts. What table cloths and napkins? LOL
Jill
Sherry - 03 Dec 2004 21:30 GMT >guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons >bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She >also irons table cloths, napkins, underwear, t-shirts and jeans. IRONS UNDERWEAR? Underwear???? Whoooaaaa. I iron tableclothes and napkins. Once a year, at Thanksgiving. :-)
Sherry
Jeanne Hedge - 03 Dec 2004 22:02 GMT >>guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons >>bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Sherry Anyone watch/remember the BritCom "As Time Goes By"? There was an episode shortly after Lionel (Geoffrey Palmer) moved into Jean's (Dame Judi Dench - I have an awful girl-crush on Judi Dench...) house where he was feeling useless and non-contributing to the household. So he decided to iron the laundry. As the scene begins for us viewers, Lionel is desperately trying to figure out how to iron a bra <g>
His relief at being told he didn't have to iron such things always brings a smile :)
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Karen - 03 Dec 2004 22:15 GMT > >>guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons > >>bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > His relief at being told he didn't have to iron such things always > brings a smile :) OH I loved that show. I always remember the episode where they have a party and I think it is Lionel that goes into the bathroom and won't come out and is doing the crossword puzzle toilet paper.
Yowie - 03 Dec 2004 23:08 GMT > >guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons > >bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She > >also irons table cloths, napkins, underwear, t-shirts and jeans. > > IRONS UNDERWEAR? Underwear???? Whoooaaaa. > I iron tableclothes and napkins. Once a year, at Thanksgiving. :-) In some places around hte world, it is necessary to iron absolutley everything because of some skin-burrowing creature that lurks in the water they use to wash clothes. The heat from the iron kills the beastie.
Yowie, Who doens't even know where her iron is or even if I still have one.
Tish Silberbauer - 03 Dec 2004 23:56 GMT That makes good sense.
We have an iron - my Mum and sister ganged up one year and bought us one. When we moved to Sydney we carefully packed it in a box and promptly forgot where it was. We didn't notice it was missing for about 8 months, when Dave's parents visited us and his Mum wanted to use it. We searched everywhere, but didn't find it, so Dave's Mum had to cope with wrinkled clothes (hey, it made her fit in with the rest of us!). Fast forward several months to when I get a bug in me about the state (and stink) of the dogs' bedclothes. I deconstruct their beds, putting half of their bedclothes into the wash and the other half into the rubbish bin. At that stage I discover an unpacked box hiding behind Kendra's bed and within the box lies the iron and assorted other bits and pieces of things we hadn't missed :^) The iron now lives in the laundry; buried under piles of other junk we never use.
Tish
>> >guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons >> >bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 20/11/04 CatNipped - 04 Dec 2004 00:03 GMT LOL this thread reminds me of an incident that happened at my daughter's 6th birthday. My best friend and her two girls were in attendance as well as a number of neighborhood girls, and my mom was there. Someone gave my daughter a toy iron and ironing board. My daughter looked at it in puzzlement and asked, "What is this?" Not a single girl child there knew the answer to her question and I got a dirty look from my mom! ;> Ah the joys of being born into a "permanent press" world!!!
Hugs,
CatNipped
> That makes good sense. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 20/11/04 Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Dec 2004 00:41 GMT > LOL this thread reminds me of an incident that happened at my daughter's 6th > birthday. My best friend and her two girls were in attendance as well as a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > CatNipped I'm puzzled about why it would occur to someone to give a toy iron for a present. It's like giving a kid a toy litter box and scoop to play with. I mean, does anyone find ironing remotely enjoyable? Am I missing something?
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Cheryl Perkins - 04 Dec 2004 00:50 GMT > I'm puzzled about why it would occur to someone to give a toy iron for a > present. It's like giving a kid a toy litter box and scoop to play with. I > mean, does anyone find ironing remotely enjoyable? Am I missing something? I know some people who do, they say they find it relaxing. I can kind of see that, although I can't share it. Repetitive motions can be relaxing, almost meditative. I was taught all the housewifely skills as a girl, including ironing everything, even bras, underpants and towels. But a lot of it didn't take; I only iron when I'm sewing or when I am getting ready for work. It struck me years ago that it was silly to iron the laundry before putting it away, and then iron it again (because most of my clothing is cotton) before going to work. So I only do it before work.
Some people like giving children things the can use to pretend being adults - miniature stoves, tools, musical instruments etc. I always wanted the real thing.
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Jo Firey - 04 Dec 2004 01:33 GMT My Mom liked to iron. She would iron and watch TV in the evening even after she went back to work and had perma prest stuff.
I love ironed sheets and handkerchiefs, but not to the point where I am willing to iron them. About once a year as a treat for myself I'll take some of my stuff to the local laundry and have it ironed, and look a little better dressed for a while.
Jo
>> I'm puzzled about why it would occur to someone to give a toy iron for a >> present. It's like giving a kid a toy litter box and scoop to play with. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > adults - miniature stoves, tools, musical instruments etc. I always wanted > the real thing. Seanette Blaylock - 04 Dec 2004 02:15 GMT Cheryl Perkins <cperkins@mun.ca> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>I know some people who do, they say they find it relaxing. I can kind of >see that, although I can't share it. Repetitive motions can be relaxing, >almost meditative. If I want repetitive motion for relaxing, I'll knit or crochet or do some form of needlework. :-)
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Dec 2004 03:16 GMT > Cheryl Perkins <cperkins@mun.ca> had some very interesting things to say > about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If I want repetitive motion for relaxing, I'll knit or crochet or do some > form of needlework. :-) See, I don't get that, either =P
If I wanted repetitive motion for relaxing, I'd ... well, I'd probably type on a bunch of newsgroups =P
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Seanette Blaylock - 04 Dec 2004 05:24 GMT "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>>>I know some people who do, they say they find it relaxing. I can kind of see >>>that, although I can't share it. Repetitive motions can be relaxing, almost [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >If I wanted repetitive motion for relaxing, I'd ... well, I'd probably type on >a bunch of newsgroups =P Well, I do that too. :-)
Seriously, what's therapeutic does vary from person to person, and I have no problem with that. I'll respect what works for you if you don't snicker at what works for me. ;-)
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Yowie - 04 Dec 2004 21:38 GMT > "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting > things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > have no problem with that. I'll respect what works for you if you > don't snicker at what works for me. ;-) I find knitting & crochet very relaxing, too. Its just like fidgetting, but after a while you get something nifty, creative and unique for you troubles.
Not that my jumpers ever fit, but thats beside the point...
Yowie
Christina Websell - 04 Dec 2004 22:13 GMT >> "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting >> things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Yowie Unique is the word if you saw anything I ever knitted or crotcheted.
Tweed
Seanette Blaylock - 05 Dec 2004 04:01 GMT "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>Unique is the word if you saw anything I ever knitted or crotcheted. Got pictures? :-)
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Christina Websell - 05 Dec 2004 20:45 GMT > "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very > interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: > >>Unique is the word if you saw anything I ever knitted or crotcheted. > > Got pictures? :-) Fortunately not! I gave it up years ago, I have just no talent for it. Sewing is just the same. I was the only girl in my class (and probably the whole school) who never got to finish her cookery apron after 3 years. The teacher kept making me undo what I'd done. The apron got very grubby and blood-spotted where I'd pricked my fingers on the needle. The dislike that that teacher and I felt for each other was mutual.
Tweed
jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 05 Dec 2004 22:12 GMT > Sewing is just the same. I was the only girl in my class (and probably the > whole school) who never got to finish her cookery apron after 3 years. The > teacher kept making me undo what I'd done. The apron got very grubby and > blood-spotted where I'd pricked my fingers on the needle. I would have burned it!!
Joyce
Christina Websell - 05 Dec 2004 22:57 GMT > > Sewing is just the same. I was the only girl in my class (and probably > > the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Joyce Oh, so would I now. I would tell the teacher what I thought of her too. Unfortunately, children are powerless against teachers. I still remember her name. Watch out, Miss Hackett..if I ever meet you again. LOL.
Tweed
mlbriggs - 05 Dec 2004 22:53 GMT >> "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very >> interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Tweed Did they make you do hand sewing? When I was in 8th grade, we used sewing machines. And yes, I did have a toy iron when I was a child. In those "old days" I used to spend most all of Sundays ironing everything.
Christina Websell - 05 Dec 2004 23:23 GMT >>> "Christina Websell" <spamfree@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> had some very >>> interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Did they make you do hand sewing? Yes.
When I was in 8th grade, we used sewing
> machines. And yes, I did have a toy iron when I was a child. In those > "old days" I used to spend most all of Sundays ironing everything. I have an iron, in my cupboard. I try not to use it much. I have more important things to do than iron clothes.
Tweed
Mogget - 08 Dec 2004 18:11 GMT >> I find knitting & crochet very relaxing, too. Its just like fidgetting, >> but [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Unique is the word if you saw anything I ever knitted or crotcheted. "Hand-gnarled" is the word for my efforts.
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Seanette Blaylock - 05 Dec 2004 04:01 GMT "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>I find knitting & crochet very relaxing, too. Its just like fidgetting, but >after a while you get something nifty, creative and unique for you troubles. >Not that my jumpers ever fit, but thats beside the point... Do you check your gauge before you start? I usually have to adjust needle size to get the correct number of stitches and rows to the inch [I knit/crochet rather tightly].
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Yowie - 06 Dec 2004 03:11 GMT > "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting > things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > needle size to get the correct number of stitches and rows to the inch > [I knit/crochet rather tightly]. Now why would I want to do something as logical and sensible as that? That would spoil the whole surprise of how the garment eventually turns out :-)
Yowie (Who knits loosely, but not as loose as my mother. Dunno about crocheting, haven't got further than making queen-sized bed granny squares, but the giant granny square look nice and serve as a blanket in its own right)
Seanette Blaylock - 06 Dec 2004 04:53 GMT "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>> Do you check your gauge before you start? I usually have to adjust >> needle size to get the correct number of stitches and rows to the inch >> [I knit/crochet rather tightly]. >Now why would I want to do something as logical and sensible as that? That >would spoil the whole surprise of how the garment eventually turns out :-) [giggle]
>Yowie >(Who knits loosely, but not as loose as my mother. Dunno about crocheting, >haven't got further than making queen-sized bed granny squares, but the >giant granny square look nice and serve as a blanket in its own right) My mother did several blankets like that when I was younger. I didn't think they worked terribly well as blankets [I prefer fewer air holes in my covers :-)], but that's an individual taste thing, and those can come out looking quite nice.
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Yowie - 06 Dec 2004 05:37 GMT > "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting > things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > in my covers :-)], but that's an individual taste thing, and those can > come out looking quite nice. Granny-square blankets aren't the sort you use on a bed by themselves, but they are great on nights when the doona doesn't quite have the warmth you'd like, but know that adding a whole extra doona would leave you swimming a pool of sweat.
They're also good for throw rugs over baby and cat "adjusted" furniture, and a kinda nice to toss over your lap on a cool evening.
I made my first granny square blanket out of old knitted jumpers. At the time my whole life had just gone a great upheavel, and just sitting there crochetting away made the mourning of that which I had lost (ie, my former life) that much easier to get through.
Its just kinda nice that something you are working on can wrap around and hug you even whilst still being created.
Yowie
Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Dec 2004 17:29 GMT > Granny-square blankets aren't the sort you use on a bed by themselves, but > they are great on nights when the doona doesn't quite have the warmth you'd > like, but know that adding a whole extra doona would leave you swimming a > pool of sweat. [snip]
What's a doona? Is that what I call a comforter?
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Yowie - 07 Dec 2004 00:02 GMT > > Granny-square blankets aren't the sort you use on a bed by themselves, but > > they are great on nights when the doona doesn't quite have the warmth you'd [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What's a doona? Is that what I call a comforter? Probably something similar. They're also known as duvets or eiderdowns. The more expensive ones are like a big sack filled with feathers, the cheaper ones have wadding instead. They slip into a giant cotton bag much like a giant pillow case, and you use then instead of the top sheet and blankets. I think they ar emuch nicer to sleep under than the blanket and sheet combo, and they are certainly make it easier to make the bed. You just have to *foof* and its done - no tucking in or smoothing or anything.
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Jeanette - 07 Dec 2004 20:33 GMT > Probably something similar. They're also known as duvets or eiderdowns. The > more expensive ones are like a big sack filled with feathers, the cheaper [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yowie I suspect that 'foof'ing is much easier for a tall lass like yourself than it is for me. I'm only five foot two, and I usually end up shouting for help.
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Yowie - 07 Dec 2004 22:40 GMT > > Probably something similar. They're also known as duvets or eiderdowns. > The [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it is for me. I'm only five foot two, and I usually end up shouting for > help. Its all in the wrist action. And of course, you need a cat or two to help
:-) Yowie
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Dec 2004 23:11 GMT >> I suspect that 'foof'ing is much easier for a tall lass like yourself than >> it is for me. I'm only five foot two, and I usually end up shouting for >> help. > > Its all in the wrist action. And of course, you need a cat or two to help >:-) Yeah, I'm 5'5 and can do the 'foof.' I can't handle folding sheets, though; that requires hubby's assistance.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Dec 2004 22:06 GMT >> What's a doona? Is that what I call a comforter? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and they are certainly make it easier to make the bed. You just have to > *foof* and its done - no tucking in or smoothing or anything. Ahh. My parents have those (my mom's German). I adore them, but my husband is allergic to feathers (like, can't have them in the same room allergic), and the wadding just doesn't ensconce you the way down does. I know; when I was a small child, my mom wouldn't let me have the real feathers until I was old enough to, say, have the presence of mind not to puke on my covers when I woke up sick.
I love those things. Except for the occasional poke from a feather sticking through. I did visit relatives in Germany this year, and I have to admit that those blankets were one of the big plusses to the trip =)
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badwilson - 08 Dec 2004 02:01 GMT > >> What's a doona? Is that what I call a comforter? > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > monique, caretaker of Oscar Ohhh, you need one like I just got. It doesn't have feathers but it's not polyester filled either. It's filled with 100% silk. A matted sheet of tiny threads. The duvet is very light and less than an inch thick but it's very warm. The silk is inside a cotton cover like the eiderdowns are. Then you put the whole thing into a duvet cover. But the best part is that the filling doesn't move into the bottom like feathers do. You may wonder why we need a duvet in Thailand. It's because we like to sleep with the aircon on, even when it's cool out (it is winter and goes down to about 18C at night) because the aircon takes out the humidity. So it's pretty cold in the room and this duvet is the best
:-) -- Britta Sandpaper kisses, a cuddle and a purr. I have an alarm clock that's covered in fur! Check out pictures of Vino at: http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Dec 2004 16:51 GMT > Ohhh, you need one like I just got. It doesn't have feathers but it's not > polyester filled either. It's filled with 100% silk. A matted sheet of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the room and this duvet is the best >:-) -- Britta Wow. I don't know if I could take that much luxury!
Actually, I love the big puffy feather-filled things. Just one of those small sacrifices I have to make. Ah well.
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Cathi - 05 Dec 2004 07:18 GMT >Cheryl Perkins <cperkins@mun.ca> had some very interesting things to >say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >If I want repetitive motion for relaxing, I'll knit or crochet or do >some form of needlework. :-) I'm with you on that one. There's been a plethora of babies here in the past couple of years, so I've had plenty of stuff to do, and it's just so *calming*.
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Jeanette - 04 Dec 2004 11:20 GMT > > I'm puzzled about why it would occur to someone to give a toy iron for a > > present. It's like giving a kid a toy litter box and scoop to play with. I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > adults - miniature stoves, tools, musical instruments etc. I always wanted > the real thing. I iron once or twice a week, and don't stop until everything is done. The ironing board is set up in front of the TV, and I watch music TV or DVDs, and appreciate all the good looking young men. It definitely sweetens the pill. I iron my T shirts because I like them ironed, likewise bedding. I also iron Ade's workshirts, but not his T's, because when I was ill earlier in the year, and he was doing the ironing, he said airily that they didn't need to be ironed, so I've taken him at his word.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Dec 2004 16:49 GMT > I iron once or twice a week, and don't stop until everything is done. The > ironing board is set up in front of the TV, and I watch music TV or DVDs, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in the year, and he was doing the ironing, he said airily that they didn't > need to be ironed, so I've taken him at his word. Okay, I guess I do have something similar to this -- I don't really *like* washing dishes, but I do like seeing a pile of freshly washed dishes on the drying towels and *no* dirty dishes in the sink, or anywhere else, for that matter! I usually turn on the tv or listen to the radio while I do it.
But ... don't ask how often I actually manage to finish the whole pile without wandering off to do something else =/
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CatNipped - 04 Dec 2004 00:54 GMT > > LOL this thread reminds me of an incident that happened at my daughter's 6th > > birthday. My best friend and her two girls were in attendance as well as a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > monique, caretaker of Oscar It's because I'm older than dirt -LOL. When my daughter was 6 years old it was still somewhat expected that all little girls would grow up to be June Cleaver - I quickly abused her of that idea, letting her know all about her options as a modern woman. Then, guess what, she grew up to be a housewife and mother!!! ;>
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Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Dec 2004 03:26 GMT >> I'm puzzled about why it would occur to someone to give a toy iron >> for a present. It's like giving a kid a toy litter box and scoop to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > CatNipped Hey, it's all about the options. Forcing women to go for a career is no better than forcing them into traditional roles. I'll admit that I don't understand the lure of maintaining hearth and home (I often think about this article: http://www.cwluherstory.com/CWLUArchive/wantawife.html ), but I've often thought that our traditional family structure might do well to give way to a structure where two couples jointly raise their kids, with some number of them working and some number doing the home stuff. But I guess that's just crazy talk.
Unfortunately, I think our culture still looks askance at men who want the traditionally female roles.
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Seanette Blaylock - 04 Dec 2004 05:25 GMT "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>Hey, it's all about the options. Forcing women to go for a career is no >better than forcing them into traditional roles. I'll admit that I don't >understand the lure of maintaining hearth and home I'm the domestic type myself.
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Monique Y. Mudama - 04 Dec 2004 05:48 GMT > "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm the domestic type myself. Just as long as you don't fall down laughing when you see me try to cook, or fold laundry, or, well, do just about anything around the house.
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Seanette Blaylock - 04 Dec 2004 14:38 GMT "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>>>Hey, it's all about the options. Forcing women to go for a career is no >>>better than forcing them into traditional roles. I'll admit that I don't >>>understand the lure of maintaining hearth and home >> I'm the domestic type myself. >Just as long as you don't fall down laughing when you see me try to cook, or >fold laundry, or, well, do just about anything around the house. I wouldn't [but might feel an urge to jump in and try to help :-)].
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Dec 2004 22:42 GMT > "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting > things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I wouldn't [but might feel an urge to jump in and try to help :-)]. I'm getting better!
For a while, I had to shoo my hubby out of the kitchen when I tried to cook. He had "helpful advice" for everything from mac n' cheese on up. I'm sure there's a "right way" to do things, but let me get some confidence before telling me how I'm doing everything wrong!
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Jo Firey - 05 Dec 2004 22:45 GMT >> "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting >> things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > there's a "right way" to do things, but let me get some confidence before > telling me how I'm doing everything wrong! I;m married to a guy like that. And his definition of the right way to do anything is the absolutely most complex way that it can be done. We've learned over 37 years to work together in the kitchen. First he learned to shut up about how I do things.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Dec 2004 15:42 GMT >> I'm getting better! >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jo Yeah, we're working on that. We've been married less than a year, so there are certainly some kinks in our communication system. But we try to talk them out as they come up.
As for cooking, I'm sure that "best practices" abound, but if the food is edible and tastes good, then I think I'm doing something right.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 06 Dec 2004 03:35 GMT > Just as long as you don't fall down laughing when you see me try to cook, or > fold laundry, or, well, do just about anything around the house. Cooking I've always enjoyed - a lot of opera singers do, for some reason (besides the fact they like to eat and enjoy good food). The rest of housework I neglect as much as possible. (I can't tell you how pleased I was when I finally managed to include a cleaning person in my budget - a few hours every two weeks may not be ideal, but it makes all the difference between the house being "presentable" and "not fit for visitors".)
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Dec 2004 17:34 GMT >> Just as long as you don't fall down laughing when you see me try to cook, >> or fold laundry, or, well, do just about anything around the house. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > hours every two weeks may not be ideal, but it makes all the difference > between the house being "presentable" and "not fit for visitors".) Yeah, my husband and I both work (more than) full-time. The house is very nice, but it's "decorated" like a bachelor pad. Stacks of laundry here and there, stuff all over the tables ... currently there's a partially-disassembled DVD player on the TV room floor, and we still have boxes from our wedding gifts in various places around the house.
We've hired cleaners a few times and been very happy with the results, but a cleaner is really only helpful when you pick up after yourself first -- otherwise they either can't clean things properly or move things to where you can't find them.
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Sherry - 04 Dec 2004 06:41 GMT >>Hey, it's all about the options. Forcing women to go for a career is no >>better than forcing them into traditional roles. I'll admit that I don't >>understand the lure of maintaining hearth and home > >I'm the domestic type myse Oh, I am too. Since I quit work, it's my "job" and I like to think I do it well. I even enjoy canning vegetables, sewing, cooking, errands and whatever I can do to make DH's time off free so that we can just play when he's off and he's not encumbered with household stuff.... I still don't iron though. :-) Sherry
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 06 Dec 2004 03:29 GMT > "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> had some very interesting > things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm the domestic type myself. Wheareas I've always HATED housework! My mom used to tell me "But you have to learn - what will you do when you have a home of your own?" To which I'd blithely reply, "Oh I'll have a maid to do it." Ah youth!!!
Of course, if the operatic career had materialized, who knows? (But it didn't.)
Cheryl Perkins - 04 Dec 2004 14:20 GMT > Hey, it's all about the options. Forcing women to go for a career is no > better than forcing them into traditional roles. I'll admit that I don't > understand the lure of maintaining hearth and home <snip>
I can *see* it. I can enjoy it, and admire people (usually women, of course, in our society) who can create and maintain a home - and I realize how hard that is, including as it does everything from choosing and creating the physical environment from furniture, decoration, cooking, cleaning and maintenance, to creating a good emotional environment, welcoming and warm.
But it's not for me. Like so many things I can admire in other people, it's something I lack some of the skills for, and for some reason, simply don't find satisfying. In fact, I find the long hours and the repetitive nature of much of the work plus the lack of appreciation by many people extremely frustrating and unfulfilling.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Dec 2004 22:12 GMT > I often think about this > article: http://www.cwluherstory.com/CWLUArchive/wantawife.html I remember that article! Read it in a Women's Studies course in college. Wouldn't we all love to have wives? :)
> I've often thought that our traditional family structure might do > well to give way to a structure where two couples jointly raise > their kids, with some number of them working and some number doing > the home stuff. But I guess that's just crazy talk. I'm sure many people will tell you that's crazy talk, but don't believe it. It wasn't that long ago that most families stayed together in what we now call the "extended family" - grandparents, maybe an aunt or uncle, cousins, spouses, etc. But in reality, the nuclear family we all take for granted now is more like a "truncated family". It's not how people lived together for thousands of years.
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Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Dec 2004 23:00 GMT > > I often think about this article: > > http://www.cwluherstory.com/CWLUArchive/wantawife.html [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > is more like a "truncated family". It's not how people lived together for > thousands of years. The trick is to have legal support for alternate insurance and inheritance schemes. With as much emphasis on supposed "family values" as there is right now, I won't hold my breath.
My company and my husband's insurance plans both support a single "domestic partner" of either sex. Unfortunately, though, they restrict it to a non-relative. So you can't, say, live with your sister and cover her insurance. I really don't understand this seemingly artificial restriction.
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Yowie - 05 Dec 2004 21:07 GMT > >> I'm puzzled about why it would occur to someone to give a toy iron > >> for a present. It's like giving a kid a toy litter box and scoop to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Unfortunately, I think our culture still looks askance at men who want the > traditionally female roles. Yes, for some reason, a man willing to stay home and look after the kid(s) whilst his wife earns the household income is not ocnsidered masculine. A man who *wants* to do that and *enjoys* his children pretty much must be gay.
Joels stays home and looks after Cary while I go to work. It was a purely a financial decision, my earning capacity far exceeds his. And yet, for the most part, he really enjoys being the stay-at-home Dad and having a real part in his son's life. Joel even does a fair share of the housework, not because he enjoys it, but simply because it has to be done, and he's at home and I'm at work.
I'm still the person who has to organise the appointments and social life; but that is simply because Joel has a horrendous short term memory, but any tradtitional gender roles we do are not because of our genders but because they just happened to more suit the one of the "traditional" gender than the other one. There's plenty of thigns that we do that are just the opposite.
Still, even if I'm mainly doing th emale role, what I really don't understand is the image of the father not being interested or not wanting to spend more time with his kids. AFAIK, fathers love their kids just as much as mothers. Perhaps its just an image they portray in front of their mates so they don't lose that masucline "face", but deep down they are just as soppy and loving aout their kids as Mums.
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Seanette Blaylock - 05 Dec 2004 22:41 GMT "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>Joels stays home and looks after Cary while I go to work. It was a purely a >financial decision, my earning capacity far exceeds his. And yet, for the >most part, he really enjoys being the stay-at-home Dad and having a real >part in his son's life. Joel even does a fair share of the housework, not >because he enjoys it, but simply because it has to be done, and he's at home >and I'm at work. My DH says that about the happiest period of his childhood was an interval where his father was home full-time [having trouble finding paying work].
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Dec 2004 02:30 GMT > I'm puzzled about why it would occur to someone to give a toy iron > for a present. It's like giving a kid a toy litter box and scoop > to play with. I mean, does anyone find ironing remotely enjoyable? > Am I missing something? LOL!!
My mother gave me a new iron for my 30th birthday. I didn't think anything of it - I needed one, actually, so although I wouldn't call it a "touching" gift, it was going to come in handy - until my then-partner started grumbling, "What kind of gift is that to give your daughter - for her 30th birthday, no less??"
I have to agree it is a strange gift. I don't hold it against my mom - for one thing, this was 20 years ago - but also, that's my mom for ya! It's kind of comical, actually.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 06 Dec 2004 03:05 GMT >>LOL this thread reminds me of an incident that happened at my daughter's 6th >>birthday. My best friend and her two girls were in attendance as well as a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > present. It's like giving a kid a toy litter box and scoop to play with. I > mean, does anyone find ironing remotely enjoyable? Am I missing something? Obviously you're all of a younger generation than I! When I was a child, little girls wanted to be "just like Mommie" (when most of us had stay-at-home, full-time mothers, because families could manage nicely just on Daddy's paycheck). There were all sorts of miniature non-functional) versions of kitchen appliances (some of them quite expensive) so little girls could "pretend" to be grown up. (I seem to remember a toy iron and ironing board, BTW - and "using" them with doll-clothes.)
The world has changed a lot, during my lifetime! Now women have genuine "careers" outside the home - they aren't just stuck in low-paying jobs to bring in a little extra needed cash. (And the same work pays a woman as much as a man - almost.)
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Dec 2004 17:29 GMT >> I'm puzzled about why it would occur to someone to give a toy iron for a >> present. It's like giving a kid a toy litter box and scoop to play with. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > girls could "pretend" to be grown up. (I seem to remember a toy iron and > ironing board, BTW - and "using" them with doll-clothes.) Ah.
I did have a kitchen set when I was a kid, but my only memory of it goes as follows:
Family drives to rented beach house Monique, about 3-4 years old, decides she can carry the still-boxed kitchen set into the house Monique, too short to see over the box, falls butt-first into the cactus beds surrounding the house Dad spends hours pulling tiny cactus hairs out of Monique's tender areas Family goes for a walk on the beach Monique steps on bee Dad asks if we can drive home now, before anything else has a chance to go wrong
My mom had a part-time job, but she was definitely the caretaker of the family. She and dad definitely had an agenda to make sure I knew I had many options -- "You can be anything you want, even the President!" I still haven't figured out why anyone would want to be president, but *shrug*
> The world has changed a lot, during my lifetime! Now women have genuine > "careers" outside the home - they aren't just stuck in low-paying jobs to > bring in a little extra needed cash. (And the same work pays a woman as > much as a man - almost.) Yup. My husband and I both work in technical fields; I actually work for an aerospace company, which still weirds me out when I think about it.
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jXwXeXrXmXoXnXt@sonic.net - 04 Dec 2004 02:22 GMT > LOL this thread reminds me of an incident that happened at my daughter's 6th > birthday. My best friend and her two girls were in attendance as well as a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the answer to her question and I got a dirty look from my mom! ;> Ah the > joys of being born into a "permanent press" world!!! As well as, hopefully, a world where that kind of work isn't expected only of girls!!
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Seanette Blaylock - 04 Dec 2004 00:51 GMT "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>Who doens't even know where her iron is or even if I still have one. I know where mine is, but don't anticipate using it for anything except finished needlework projects any time soon. :-)
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 06 Dec 2004 03:09 GMT > "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting > things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I know where mine is, but don't anticipate using it for anything > except finished needlework projects any time soon. :-) Yeah, that's what prompted my to buy another one - even if you never iron the finished garment, when you're making one it helps to press the seams as you go along!
Seanette Blaylock - 06 Dec 2004 04:51 GMT "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>> I know where mine is, but don't anticipate using it for anything >> except finished needlework projects any time soon. :-) >Yeah, that's what prompted my to buy another one - even if >you never iron the finished garment, when you're making one >it helps to press the seams as you go along! I don't sew [sewing machines hate me], but do cross-stitch and such. One of the perennial debates on rec.crafts.textiles.needlework is about whether to wash a finished project. I'm firmly in the "wash all finished work" camp. No matter how careful you are to wash your hands before working on it, skin oils happen. Add to that dust, floating cat hair, etc., and IMO, washing the finished project is a necessity.
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Seanette Blaylock - 06 Dec 2004 06:55 GMT "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAMDIE@yahoo.com.au> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>> I don't sew [sewing machines hate me], but do cross-stitch and such. >> One of the perennial debates on rec.crafts.textiles.needlework is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] ><aghast> You mean you don't consider embedded cat hair a *feature*? ></aghast> :-) I personally do, but some gift recipients can get a tad fussy [and the current gift project is for someone who likes cats but is severely allergic. Poor girl got majorly congested within 5 minutes in my apartment].
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Denise VanDyke - 06 Dec 2004 17:10 GMT >>"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evgmsop@earthlink.net> had some very >>interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Yowie IIRC, the technical term is "specialty fiber" ;-)
- Denise, who only has a lap cat when doing some form of needlework (2 projects in the works, too many to count 99% finished)
Jeanette - 04 Dec 2004 11:17 GMT > > >guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons > > >bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yowie, > Who doens't even know where her iron is or even if I still have one. I remember being told about this by a friend of mine who did voluntary work in the Sudan. Ugh.
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Adrian - 05 Dec 2004 10:37 GMT >>> guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons >>> bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Yowie, > Who doens't even know where her iron is or even if I still have one. OK! I give up, what's an iron? ;-)
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Steve Touchstone - 10 Dec 2004 10:57 GMT >> Who doens't even know where her iron is or even if I still have one. > >OK! I give up, what's an iron? ;-) Well... the one my Mom and Dad have is a heavy paperweight that they keep on the fireplace place mantel. They tell stories about how it belonged to Grandma T, and she used to warm it on the wood stove, though I'm not sure why...
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Jo Firey - 04 Dec 2004 01:28 GMT > >guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons >>bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sherry If you fold the tablecloth and Napkins and put them away carefully under other heavy stuff, they will "iron" themselves before next Thanksgiving. At least that is what I tell myself.
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 06 Dec 2004 03:20 GMT > If you fold the tablecloth and Napkins and put them away carefully under > other heavy stuff, they will "iron" themselves before next Thanksgiving. At > least that is what I tell myself. Anyway, they'll just get wrinkled again (and spotted) when you use them! When I buy stuff like that, it's either plastic or perma-press. There are some very pretty plastic tablecloths in holiday designs. Paper napkins, ditto (and those don't require washing). Fortunately, I've never had the kind of friends who were the sort to object (if they were, they seldom stayed friends long).
Marina - 04 Dec 2004 04:56 GMT >>guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons >>bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She >>also irons table cloths, napkins, underwear, t-shirts and jeans. > > IRONS UNDERWEAR? Underwear???? Whoooaaaa. > I iron tableclothes and napkins. Once a year, at Thanksgiving. :-) I had a classmate who ironed underwear, too. LOL! As for me, I know I have an iron somewhere...
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Kreisleriana - 04 Dec 2004 15:05 GMT >>>guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons >>>bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I had a classmate who ironed underwear, too. LOL! As for me, I know I >have an iron somewhere... An iron what? ;)
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Kreisleriana - 04 Dec 2004 15:59 GMT >>>guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons >>>bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I had a classmate who ironed underwear, too. LOL! As for me, I know I >have an iron somewhere... JOKE TIME
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Seanette Blaylock - 04 Dec 2004 00:49 GMT "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> had some very interesting things to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping:
>Wisecracks or no, you'd be surprised. A friend of mine lives in Spain and >guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons >bedsheets. Not only is it expected of her, she feels it must be done. She >also irons table cloths, napkins, underwear, t-shirts and jeans. >I'm saying to myself... shake out the jeans and hang them. Fold the >t-shirts. What table cloths and napkins? LOL I side with you. I think the last time I ironed an article of clothing, it was for a job interview DH had the next day.
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:-)" - the Dennis formerly known as (evil), MCFL Yoj - 04 Dec 2004 01:02 GMT > "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> had some very interesting things > to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -- I don't even own an iron or an ironing board. At one point, my son had a job where he had to wear ironed shirts, so I gave him my iron and board. He doesn't iron any more, though. Some time after that, I bought an iron because I thought I might use it to remount slides. I never got around to it, so last year when my daughter helped me clean out the closet where it was kept, I gave the iron to her, still in its unopened box.
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jmcquown - 04 Dec 2004 02:07 GMT >> "jmcquown" <jmcquown@bellsouth.net> had some very interesting things >> to say about Re: [OT] Tips for Coping: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Joy That spray on "wrinkle release" stuff actually works pretty well. And I own lots of linen. No point ironing linen (or 100% cotton for that matter); the moment you sit down it's wrinkled anyway.
Jill
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 06 Dec 2004 03:14 GMT > I don't even own an iron or an ironing board. At one point, my son had > a job where he had to wear ironed shirts, so I gave him my iron and > board. He doesn't iron any more, though. When I got married, many men's shirts still required ironing. One of my ex's few redeeming qualities was that his mother had taught him to iron his own shirts - largely because he'd always insist upon wearing one that she hadn't yet ironed. (I saw no reason at all to change that arrangement when I married him.) ;-)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 06 Dec 2004 02:48 GMT > Wisecracks or no, you'd be surprised. A friend of mine lives in Spain and > guess what she does every Thursday? Irons sheets. Yes, she irons [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm saying to myself... shake out the jeans and hang them. Fold the > t-shirts. What table cloths and napkins? LOL Well, that depends - like you, once polyester and "no iron" fabrics came into being, I threw away my iron! (Had to buy another when I started sewing, but that's a different story.)
My SIL, on the other hand, actually ENJOYS ironing - she claims it relaxes her!  
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