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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / May 2008Spamming the Spammers...
Do you receive "Unsolicited Commercial Email" (UCE), also know as "Spam"? On another Group I use, someone's got a wonderful idea. He puts up a post "Gone Fishing - Please Ignore". The post contains nothing but e-mail addresses for the spam-bots to harvest. I might do that here, if no-one objects!  SignatureMatSav > Do you receive "Unsolicited Commercial Email" (UCE), also know as > "Spam"? On another Group I use, someone's got a wonderful idea. > He puts up a post "Gone Fishing - Please Ignore". The post > contains nothing but e-mail addresses for the spam-bots to > harvest. I might do that here, if no-one objects! I don't understand the point. Why would he give email addresses to spam bots?? SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ bastXXXette@sonic.net kirjoitti: > > Do you receive "Unsolicited Commercial Email" (UCE), also know as > > "Spam"? On another Group I use, someone's got a wonderful idea. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I don't understand the point. Why would he give email addresses to > spam bots?? Might the email addresses be to places that have sent the spam to him in the first place?? SignatureChristine in Laitila, Finland christal63 (at) gmail (dot) com photos: http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb108/christal63/ photos: http://community.webshots.com/user/chkr63 > bastXXXette@sonic.net kirjoitti: >> MatSav <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Might the email addresses be to places that have sent the spam > to him in the first place?? Correct! SignatureMatSav >> bastXXXette@sonic.net kirjoitti: >>> MatSav <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Correct! If this is correct it is a very bad idea. No one is going to send spam from a valid return address unless it is someone elses. If the addresses were "honey pots" or special addresses used to identify spam _that_ would be another story but randomly collected addresses from spam emails or posts is a bad idea. Andy > If this is correct it is a very bad idea. No one is going to send spam > from a valid return address unless it is someone elses. If the addresses [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Andy On the other hand, the a**holes who send their phishing scams generally use a valid "reply-to" address. They might make good targets. They're frequently cancelled by the providers very shortly after they go active, but if you get the timing right you could cause some serious irritation to the would-be scammer. Especially if the target address is on hotmail, live.com, or yahoo, since they are so brain-dead that it's practically impossible to report phishing scam e-mails to them. Dan >> If this is correct it is a very bad idea. No one is going to send >> spam from a valid return address unless it is someone elses. If the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Dan I would never post an email address anywhere unless it was mine or the owner gave me explicit permision to do so. There are too many variables and you are never going to iritate a spammer or phisher with anything short of an arrest (and good luck with that). Andy >> bastXXXette@sonic.net kirjoitti: >>> MatSav <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Correct! The problem is that the spammers often use the email addresses of real people, not involved in the spam scheme, as the "from" address. If you have ever received an automatic response that an email message had bounced, and you hadn't actually sent the message in question, this is due to someone else having used your email address as the "from" address. For example, last week I received about a hundred messages stating that email messages that I had sent could not be delivered. The text of the messages was advertising Viagra for sale. I had not sent the messages, and the originating server shown in the "Received" headers showed that the message had not even originated in my country. SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria >>> bastXXXette@sonic.net kirjoitti: >>>> MatSav <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > messages, and the originating server shown in the "Received" headers > showed that the message had not even originated in my country. Something like that happened to me a couple years ago - I was getting 200+/- "mailer daemon" returned messages *an hour*, sent to addresses that I didn't send to, and containing messages that I didn't send. I ended up changing my email addy and deleting the old one... pain to do with all the accounts & whatnot. Hasn't happened since, though. >^..^< This is Kitty. Copy and paste Kitty into your signature to help her wipe out Bunny's world domination. -- The ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) comcast (dot) net http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > bastXXXette@sonic.net kirjoitti: >> MatSav <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Might the email addresses be to places that have sent the spam to him > in the first place?? That would be a very bad idea, nearly all addresses that spam appears to come from are innocent people who's addresses happen to be in the address book of a compromised machine. Many people recieve spam which appears to come from themselves. The best way to deal with spam is to ignore it. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >> bastXXXette@sonic.net kirjoitti: >>> MatSav <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > book of a compromised machine. Many people recieve spam which appears to > come from themselves. The best way to deal with spam is to ignore it. Yes, I often get spam from "myself." I wonder if it would be useful to report it to my ISP. Tweed >>> bastXXXette@sonic.net kirjoitti: >>>> MatSav <matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Tweed I doubt that would make any difference. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk > Do you receive "Unsolicited Commercial Email" (UCE), also know as "Spam"? > On another Group I use, someone's got a wonderful idea. He puts up a post > "Gone Fishing - Please Ignore". The post contains nothing but e-mail > addresses for the spam-bots to harvest. I might do that here, if no-one > objects! You will always get spam when you post on usenet. Do as I do, set up an email address especially for your newsgroup posting, then visit it weekly and delete everything. I don't see how the gone fishing stuff would work. Is it meant to be some sort of revenge? Tweed >> Do you receive "Unsolicited Commercial Email" (UCE), also know as >> "Spam"? On another Group I use, someone's got a wonderful idea. He [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't see how the gone fishing stuff would work. Is it meant to be > some sort of revenge? The idea being that the spammer's addies would appear on Usenet and thereby get spammed themselves. Back in the 'old days' this wasn't such a bad tactic (particularly when everyone was on dial-up and you had to pay by the minute of dial-up time plus phone call time to download nothing but spam). But now with broadband, throwaway free e-mail addies and the ability to easily fake the 'from' line, its less effective. Most spam these days wants you to visit a web site, and those that don't want you to send an e-mail to an address that does not match the 'from' address. It might *feel* like revenge, but it won't in any way discourage them from spamming. What would is if spamming stopped being an effective way of making money. But, like PT Barnum said, there's a sucker born every minute, and whislt those suckers are still giving money to the spammers, it won't go away. Yowie >>> Do you receive "Unsolicited Commercial Email" (UCE), also know as >>> "Spam"? On another Group I use, someone's got a wonderful idea. He [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > by the minute of dial-up time plus phone call time to download nothing but > spam). Yes I remember very well when I was on dial up. I had an old computer too then, which took ages to download anything, and I did get quite annoyed if I had to pay per minute to download spam. I could go down the garden, feed my ferrets, come back, make some toast for lunch, eat it, and still would be downloading spam which I had to pay for. |
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