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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 24 May 2008 05:21 GMT
I would like to start using bleach to disinfect litterboxes, but so
far I have not had good results finding it in the store. They do sell
something called "bleach", but it's in the laundry detergent section,
and seems to be for whitening clothes. (I never use it, so I'm not
familiar with it.)

When I looked in the household cleaners section, I didn't find anything
simply called "bleach". There were some disinfectants that contained
bleach, but also a bunch of other stuff, including phenol, which is
what I want to get away from. And they all came in small bottles. I
want to buy a big jug o' bleach.

To further complicate matters, someone on this newsgroup once said "Don't
use chlorine bleach, use ___ (??) bleach" (I don't remember what it was).
Then someone else expressed horror that anyone would put bleach into a
litter box, and someone else said that bleach plus cat pee equals poison.
Except that I will have *dumped* the cat pee before soaking the box!

Aaagh! I am a total bleach newbie. I don't use it to clean, don't use
it on my clothes. I clearly don't know where to find it, or which "kind"
to buy, if indeed there even *is* more than one kind.

Can someone help? Please try not to confuse me further. No controversies,
please. I am not going to use Simple Green or anything else that doesn't
KILL GERMS. Just tell me where to buy bleach. Thank you! :)

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Pat - 24 May 2008 05:39 GMT
Bleach from the laundry section of the store will work just fine.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 24 May 2008 21:41 GMT
> Bleach from the laundry section of the store will work just fine.

For WHAT?????  (You snipped a little too much of the prior posts!)
Rhonda - 24 May 2008 06:01 GMT
Bleach usually is kept in the laundry section.

I think cholorine bleach is okay if it's diluted and if you let the
litter box dry afterwards. Amonia and bleach together cause a toxic gas,
that's why it's a good idea to only use diluted bleach and rinse the
litter box with straight water first. We've used it to disinfect litter
boxes.

This article has some info:

http://chemistry.about.com/b/2006/06/20/cleaning-the-litterbox-with-chlorine-ble
ach.htm


Rhonda

> I would like to start using bleach to disinfect litterboxes, but so
> far I have not had good results finding it in the store. They do sell
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> please. I am not going to use Simple Green or anything else that doesn't
> KILL GERMS. Just tell me where to buy bleach. Thank you! :)
Cheryl P. - 24 May 2008 10:20 GMT
> I would like to start using bleach to disinfect litterboxes, but so
> far I have not had good results finding it in the store. They do sell
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> please. I am not going to use Simple Green or anything else that doesn't
> KILL GERMS. Just tell me where to buy bleach. Thank you! :)

The stuff in the laundry section is bleach. The bottle I have is
labelled 'bleach' (rather obviously). It's a no-name supermarket brand,
but I know there are national brands too. The most common form of bleach
is chlorine bleach (mine is 3% sodium hypochlorite), which is powerful
stuff, but an effective germ-killer. It's also effective at ruining your
clothes if you're careless with it at full strength, which I seem to be!
The non-chlorine bleaches are said to be easier on your clothes, but
maybe a bit weak for really tough jobs.

Around here, bleach comes in a couple of sizes of bottles, with the most
popular being quite large - must be a gallon in the old imperial units
(3.6 L on my bottle). You'd normally dilute it before use. The label on
my bottle says 200 mL bleach in 5 L of water for disinfecting which
works out to 4% . And rinse the disinfected objects with water
afterwards, especially if you're going to put food in them (nothing on
the label about cat litter!) There are certain cleaners containing acid,
particularly certain toilet bowl cleaners, that must NOT be used with
bleach because the combination can generate a poisonous gas. I never
heard the thing about combining it with cat pee, though. You can also
use ammonia for disinfecting, but it smells even worse than bleach, and
I do remember hearing or reading somewhere that any remnant of a smell
of an ammonia-based cleaner signals to a cat 'pee here'. Of course,
that's what you *want* in a litter box, but still, I think ammonia is
even more unpleasant to work with than bleach is. I only keep ammonia
around because it really cuts the grease on the rare occasions I clean
my oven - put the shelves in a sealed garbage bag with some ammonia
(preferably outdoors). Some people put a bowl of bleach in their oven
and let it sit there overnight to soften up the burnt on grease. Do NOT
combine ammonia and bleach.

Finally, it's generally a good idea to wear gloves when handling bleach,
and if you're as messy as I am, wear old clothes too!

I hope this helps.

Cheryl
Magic Mood Jeep © - 24 May 2008 18:29 GMT
>> I would like to start using bleach to disinfect litterboxes, but so
>> far I have not had good results finding it in the store. They do sell
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
>
> Cheryl

The gas you (and several others) refer to that is created when "bleach"
(and almost all bleach sold in the US is of the chlorine variety, the
most common brand being Clorox) and ammonia are mixed is chlorine gas -
a deadly gas that I believe was used as a chemical agent in WWI....

Here's what I do.  I take the litter boxes outside, dump the disgusting
used litter in a back corner of our property (where we need a bit of
fill), bring litter boxes to the driveway, pour about 1 cup bleach into
the litter boxes, add water from the garden/yard hose, and a splash of
liquid dish detergent.  Let soak for about an hour.  Since we use hooded
litter boxes, I place the hood, back end down, into the soap/bleach
mixture as well (a couple of our cats, Ping & Weeble in particular,
enjoy spraying the back of the boxes, it sounds like a horse doing it's
duty when they do)... also the pooper-scoopers.  After soaking, I dump
most of the mixture, use an ancient, not-used-for-anything-else-but-this
scrub brush and scrub out the box, hood and scoop.  Rinse liberally with
the garden/yard hose, let dry in the sun.  We do this about 2x a year,
and do about 2 litter boxes at a time.

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 24 May 2008 21:40 GMT
Magic Mood Jeep ? <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote:

> We do this about 2x a year, and do about 2 litter boxes at a time.

Two times a year? I disinfect litterboxes every couple of weeks! Am
I overdoing it? I figure that if I don't disinfect every time I change
the litter, the box will start to smell all the time, even with fresh
litter. Is that not true for you?

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Jack Campin - bogus address - 26 May 2008 00:18 GMT
> >> I would like to start using bleach to disinfect litterboxes, but so
> >> far I have not had good results finding it in the store. They do sell
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> most common brand being Clorox) and ammonia are mixed is chlorine gas -
> a deadly gas that I believe was used as a chemical agent in WWI....

It's actually nastier than that.  The major ingredient is chloramine,
which is a lot more toxic than chlorine.  But mixing hypochlorite (the
active ingredient in "chlorine" bleach) and ammonia produces a huge
array of unpleasant chemicals all at once.

The safe kind of bleach is hydrogen peroxide.  It's sold in a number
of spray, liquid and gel forms.  Oxyclean is one UK brand.  Look for
"oxygen bleach".  The pure stuff is not very stable, particularly in
the higher concentrations, so you don't want to buy a lot at a time.

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 26 May 2008 02:51 GMT
> The safe kind of bleach is hydrogen peroxide.  It's sold in a number
> of spray, liquid and gel forms.  Oxyclean is one UK brand.  Look for
> "oxygen bleach".  The pure stuff is not very stable, particularly in
> the higher concentrations, so you don't want to buy a lot at a time.

This is the kind of suggestion, as well-meant as it clearly is - that
caused me to get so confused before. I really want to keep it simple. And
I think I got plenty of good suggestions.

As far as I know, peroxide doesn't even disinfect cuts, and you should
put something stronger on them. It's good for cleaning out a small wound,
but it's not really a disinfectant.

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Ted Davis - 26 May 2008 17:57 GMT
On Mon, 26 May 2008 01:51:16 +0000, bastXXXette wrote:

>  > The safe kind of bleach is hydrogen peroxide.  It's sold in a number
>  > of spray, liquid and gel forms.  Oxyclean is one UK brand.  Look for
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> put something stronger on them. It's good for cleaning out a small
> wound, but it's not really a disinfectant.

Well, H2O2 is a rather slow sterilizing agent useful mostly for bleaching
cotton and other natural fibers - Oxyclean contains sodium perclorate
which decomposes in water to hydrogen peroxide and soda ash (sodium
carbonate which acts as a water softening agent).  It *might* work for
sanitizing litter pans but would be a very expensive way to do it.

People have been using clorine bleach safely for generations, and since
there are no fabric dyes or natural fibers to protect, it appears nearly
ideal for litter pan sanitizing (not cleaning - soap and water are needed
for that).  In fact, it's the sanitizer of first resort in the
restaurant and food industries - it's even used to wash veggies and fruit
before distribution (in the form of a weak rinse).  Just keep in mind that
it is a surface cleaner, and that like most household chemicals, it does
have some characteristics that require careful handling.  If you spill
some on you, rinse it off; if you spill straight bleach on your clothes,
they are ruined; make sure the residual clorine is gone before putting the
pan back in service; if you are using any significant amount, make sure
you have good ventilation.  That about covers it.

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Sherry - 24 May 2008 17:15 GMT
On May 23, 11:21 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:
> I would like to start using bleach to disinfect litterboxes, but so
> far I have not had good results finding it in the store. They do sell
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> --
> Joyce

Just buy regular Clorox (or whatever)....laundry bleach. It's the
cheapest, most effective, safest bacteria killer there probably is.
The usual mix that shelters use is 50/50. It even kills parvo virus,
ringworm spores, everything. And as long as there's
good ventilation for *you*, and let the boxes dry, it's absolutely
safe.
(Except for spilling it on your clothes or shoes, which I always
manage to do)

Sherry
tanadashoes - 24 May 2008 17:24 GMT
> Aaagh! I am a total bleach newbie. I don't use it to clean, don't use
> it on my clothes. I clearly don't know where to find it, or which "kind"
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> please. I am not going to use Simple Green or anything else that doesn't
> KILL GERMS. Just tell me where to buy bleach. Thank you! :)

Bleach is found in the laundry section of your grocery store.  Unless you're
a snob, the cheapest brand of bleach works just as well as the more
expensive perfumed ones.  If you're a snob, why are you owned by cats?  The
bleach and ammonia thing is mostly for combining bleach and ammonia based
cleaners.  I poisoned myself this way (yes, I am stupid) once.  It took
months for my lungs to recover from the fume based burns.

When we were cleaning cat cages at PetSmart, I liked to use a 1 to 4 ratio
of bleach to water.  I know this is high, but we were dealing with a lot of
cats from different places in each cage.  I'm told that 1 to 10 is more
normal.  YMMV.  I'd work with whatever works best for you.  Experiment will
get you there.

Bleach is made to remove stains from clothing.  Unfortunately, bleach thinks
that the dye used in clothing is a stain.  I've gone through multiple
t-shirts proving this while cleaning cages.  Also some cats adore bleach.
Tanada and Merlin get into the bathtub or sink and roll around after a
bleach based cleaning.  Tanada drools so heavy that it looks like she's been
poisoned.  Merlin's fangs hang out afterwards and I always get alarmed.

I'd start with a low concentration of bleach first a 1/10 ratio maybe, then
work up or down as needed.  I'd also keep an eye on the owners as they may
also have bleachitis and get high off of the stuff.  Never combine bleach or
ammonia based products as that can honestly kill you or your cats.  after
cleaning the boxes out with bleach, I'd rinse them well then wipe them dry.
The small amount of bleach left on the boxes (do you know that your city
probably uses a combination of chlorine and ammonia to purify your water?  I
know my city does) is not enough to cause a serious reaction with the
ammonia produced by feline urine.

I know the chemists like Yowie could give you much better and more
scientific information, but this is what I know and what works for me.

Pam S.
Granby - 24 May 2008 17:35 GMT
I use 1/6 mix. Hose down the boxes, then spray liberally, wait 5 minutes
then rinse again.

>> Aaagh! I am a total bleach newbie. I don't use it to clean, don't use
>> it on my clothes. I clearly don't know where to find it, or which "kind"
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> Pam S.
Sherry - 24 May 2008 19:00 GMT
> <bastXXXe...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
> Pam S.

One to four? I've been doing 50/50. That's what the vet told us at the
shelter, but then, IIRC again, that may have been to kill the parvo
virus for the dogs. I've
probably been wasting bleach.
I like to sundry them outside, too. I think that helps. Eventually
though I think the odor gets permeated into the plastic, and the only
thing you can do is throw them away and start over with new ones.

Sherry
Ted Davis - 24 May 2008 17:48 GMT
On Sat, 24 May 2008 04:21:25 +0000, bastXXXette wrote:

> I would like to start using bleach to disinfect litterboxes, but so far I
> have not had good results finding it in the store. They do sell something
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> please. I am not going to use Simple Green or anything else that doesn't
> KILL GERMS. Just tell me where to buy bleach. Thank you! :)

Laundry bleach is what they mean - read the label on a bottle for
instructions on how to use it for houshold cleaning.  Concentrations of
sodium hypoclorite vary (the bottle under my kitchen sink is 6%), so it's
best to go by the instructions on the bottle you buy.

It's hard to remove all the bleach residue from plastic litter pans - it's
hard to remove cat pee residue and most everythig else too - so multiple
rinses are definitely in order.  When I had some remodeling done a few
years ago, I had a utility sink with a garden hose fitting on the faucet
installed so I can use a hose and nozzle for rinsing with hot and cold
water under pressure.

The real trick to avoiding residue problems is time: have at least one
more pan than you are using and put it in service while cleaning one -
then let the cleaned pan air out for at least a day after you can no
longer smell the chlorine odor.

A chemical apron such as are sold in photography supplies stores and some
other places is a good idea: splashed bleach is bad news for fabrics.
These usually cover from the neck to knees, but wear old clothes anyway.

I also use it to soak and sanitize my hummingbird feeders - they tend to
develop mildue after a few days in the sun. Again, I have one more than I
am actually using (the sugar water consumption is so high that I probably
should get yet another spare so I can replace two of the four at a time).

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Granby - 24 May 2008 17:51 GMT
I have 6 hummingbird feeders and, I use white vinegar to clean them.   Just
a thought.  They do get stinky from the sun.  I got my first 5 birds of the
year yesterday and the cats are not thrilled.
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 04:21:25 +0000, bastXXXette wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> am actually using (the sugar water consumption is so high that I probably
> should get yet another spare so I can replace two of the four at a time).
Ted Davis - 26 May 2008 02:36 GMT
> I have 6 hummingbird feeders and, I use white vinegar to clean them.  
> Just a thought.  They do get stinky from the sun.  I got my first 5 birds
> of the year yesterday and the cats are not thrilled.

For the last few years I have had a couple of pairs - one feeder, the one
outside the kitchen window with the cat shelf, was plenty. This year, When
I saw four males squabling over the feeder, I went out and bought some
more.  Now I'm likely to see several birds at a time at several feeders -
i have no idea how many birds there are, but there are *way* more than
last year.  Some of the cats still enjoy sitting on the shelf and watching
the activity outside the window.

Two of them have taken to crouching under the seed feeder, but since I
redesigned it to be a post mount type and remounted it much higher, they
really don't have much chance of catching anything by jumping like they
had been doing (jumping, not catching).  BTW, a couple of days ago, I saw
a red-bellied woodpecker eating at the feeder - I haven't seen it since.

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Granby - 26 May 2008 03:00 GMT
Last year I ended up with about 40 on a daily basis.  Sometimes more,
sometimes less.  I should buys stock in the sugar company, no matter, I
really enjoy them even is the cats don't.  They get used to them.

>> I have 6 hummingbird feeders and, I use white vinegar to clean them.
>> Just a thought.  They do get stinky from the sun.  I got my first 5 birds
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> had been doing (jumping, not catching).  BTW, a couple of days ago, I saw
> a red-bellied woodpecker eating at the feeder - I haven't seen it since.
rb - 24 May 2008 19:29 GMT
> I would like to start using bleach to disinfect litterboxes, but so
> far I have not had good results finding it in the store. They do sell
> something called "bleach", but it's in the laundry detergent section,
> and seems to be for whitening clothes. (I never use it, so I'm not
> familiar with it.)

Another option is to use powdered cleanser that contains bleach. That is
what I use to clean my cats boxes. It's easier to use then liquid
bleach. I just sprinkle it on the box and then put an inch or two of
water in it. Then rinse the box several times afterwards and dry it.

rrb
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 24 May 2008 21:36 GMT
Thank you, everyone, for all the great information about using bleach
to clean the litterboxes. I can easily buy a gallon of the stuff in
the supermarket. And Pam, I am so *not* a snob about brand names. :)
I will certainly buy the generic or store brand.

I do know not to combine bleach with ammonia. I don't use ammonia
for cleaning anymore - I can't stand the smell. I actually sort of
like the smell of bleach. Not at full strength, but as a leftover
smell. Reminds me of all my years of lap swimming.

One problem I foresee is that I don't have access to a hose. I live
in an apartment, and have always soaked and then cleaned out and rinsed
litter boxes in the bathtub. Then, after carefully drying it with a
towel, I put a box in front of a fan on high speed, and let it sit there
for at least 30 minutes.

Actually, now that I think of it, my downstairs neighbor does have a
hose in the front yard, and I'm sure she wouldn't mind my using it
if I've already cleaned and rinsed the box once or twice, and just want
to use the hose for a couple of power rinses. The bathtub has good water
pressure, but a hose would be a lot better. And I have a very sunny
front porch to leave it out to dry.

Thanks again!! :)

Joyce

PS - Pam, that's horrible that you got lung burns from the chlorine (or
was that chloride) gas - thank God you survived. Did your lungs heal
completely, or do you continue to have trouble from it?
tanadashoes - 25 May 2008 17:33 GMT
> PS - Pam, that's horrible that you got lung burns from the chlorine (or
> was that chloride) gas - thank God you survived. Did your lungs heal
> completely, or do you continue to have trouble from it?

Thanks Joyce.  They healed up pretty well, but I'm now more susceptible to
pneumonia, bronchitis, and other diseases.  My own fault, but maybe my
experience will serve as a precautionary tale for someone else.

Pam S.
Yowie - 24 May 2008 23:10 GMT
>I would like to start using bleach to disinfect litterboxes, but so
> far I have not had good results finding it in the store. They do sell
> something called "bleach", but it's in the laundry detergent section,
> and seems to be for whitening clothes. (I never use it, so I'm not
> familiar with it.)

You are looking or a solution of sodium hypochlorite in water (NaOCl). Most
solutions sold for houshold use are also strongly alkaline, containing a
fair amount of sodium hydoxide. This makes it doubly efective as a
sanitiser.

Dilute the solution until its 1% or less (the household grades are usualy
around 3%). Use hot water to dilute it and clean with the hot solution. Be
careful though, you will get a face full of chlorine fumes - this is the
'active ingredient'of bleach, but sends my asthma into overdrive. Also, wear
gloves. Its alkaline and can do nasty things to your skin. If you get it on
your skin or clothes, rinse well with water then put diluted vinegar on the
area to neutralise the alkalinity.

Once you've finished cleaning the items, again, rinse well, and if you can,
allow then to dry in sunlight. If they still smell of chlorine once you've
rinsed really well, rinse once more with dilute vinegar.

Be warned, though. Bleach + vinegar (in concentrated doeses and or large
amounts) is a violent reaction that will let off large amounts of chlorine
gas and chlorine gas is *deadly*. Thats why you'd only use *dilute* vinegar
once you've rinsed *really well*

If you can avoid using vinegar around bleach, its probably for the best.

Dont mix bleach with any chemical, the reactions can be violent and deadly.
Keep away from children and curious cats.

Yowie
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 24 May 2008 23:23 GMT
> Be warned, though. Bleach + vinegar (in concentrated doeses and or large
> amounts) is a violent reaction that will let off large amounts of chlorine
> gas and chlorine gas is *deadly*. Thats why you'd only use *dilute* vinegar
> once you've rinsed *really well*

Wait, I thought it was bleach + ammonia that created chlorine gas.

> If you can avoid using vinegar around bleach, its probably for the best.

Don't worry, I will!!

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Cheryl P. - 24 May 2008 23:33 GMT
>  > Be warned, though. Bleach + vinegar (in concentrated doeses and or large
>  > amounts) is a violent reaction that will let off large amounts of chlorine
>  > gas and chlorine gas is *deadly*. Thats why you'd only use *dilute* vinegar
>  > once you've rinsed *really well*
>
> Wait, I thought it was bleach + ammonia that created chlorine gas.

Bleach + ammonia AND bleach + any acid both create chlorine IIRC.

Cheryl
Yowie - 24 May 2008 23:50 GMT
>> Be warned, though. Bleach + vinegar (in concentrated doeses and or
>> large amounts) is a violent reaction that will let off large amounts
>> of chlorine gas and chlorine gas is *deadly*. Thats why you'd only
>> use *dilute* vinegar once you've rinsed *really well*
>
> Wait, I thought it was bleach + ammonia that created chlorine gas.

That too...

Bleach + pretty much anything = chlorine gas. Thats what you want, but in a
slow, controlled way. What you don't want is a fast and violent reaction
that would make far more chlorine gas in a short period of time. Vinegar and
ammonia will give you a fast,violent reaction with lots of chlorine gas in a
short space of time. Dilute bleach plus the grot on your toilet / literbox
will give you a slow enough reaction to produce enough chlorine to kill the
germs but not you.

Flyspray works in the exact same way. Its toxic to flies and humans, but
flies are much smaller and a toxic dose to them isn't enough to kill us.

>> If you can avoid using vinegar around bleach, its probably for the
>> best.
>
> Don't worry, I will!!

Yowie
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 25 May 2008 01:45 GMT
> Bleach + pretty much anything = chlorine gas. Thats what you want, but in a
> slow, controlled way. What you don't want is a fast and violent reaction
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> will give you a slow enough reaction to produce enough chlorine to kill the
> germs but not you.

Interesting. So when you go to an indoor swimming pool and you smell
that strong chlorine smell, you're actually breathing a little bit of
chlorine gas? Enough to kill the germs other swimmers might leave behind,
but not the swimmers? :)

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Magic Mood Jeep © - 25 May 2008 02:02 GMT
>  > Bleach + pretty much anything = chlorine gas. Thats what you want, but in a
>  > slow, controlled way. What you don't want is a fast and violent reaction
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> chlorine gas? Enough to kill the germs other swimmers might leave behind,
> but not the swimmers? :)

If you go to a pool and you smell the chlorine prominently, then they
are using too much!  You should barely be able to smell it, and better
yet, feel it!  Too much in the pool will burn sensitive areas of the
bod.  I remember going swimming at the local pool all day, almost every
day, during the summers when I was a kid.  Red eyes every night :)

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MatSav - 25 May 2008 03:44 GMT
>>  > Bleach + pretty much anything = chlorine gas. Thats what
>> you want, but in a > slow, controlled way. ...

>> Interesting. So when you go to an indoor swimming pool and you
>> smell
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> the local pool all day, almost every day, during the summers
> when I was a kid.  Red eyes every night :)

Public swimming baths are notorious for causing red-eye. It's due
to bodily fluids reacting with the chlorine in solution. It seems
that sweat is a worse offender than urine - so don't blame all
those children who are probably peeing in the pool.

Here's just one site that explains the chlorine smell:

URL:http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/11/23/1795301.htm?site=science/great
momentsinscience


Modern swimming pools don't use chlorine - they use ozone.

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Susan M - 24 May 2008 23:14 GMT
> Can someone help? Please try not to confuse me further. No controversies,
> please. I am not going to use Simple Green or anything else that doesn't
> KILL GERMS. Just tell me where to buy bleach. Thank you! :)

No controversy but just to tell you what I use, which smells better :-)
   TED gave me a small bottle of undiluted clinicide, which they use to
disinfect at their clinic.  It is red and it is diluted some ridiculous
manner of 1 tsp per quart or something.  Smells nice and disinfects well
enough to be used in the clinic. I dump out the litter, rinse the boxes,
then spray on and wipe off the clinicide.

Susan M
Otis and Chester
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 24 May 2008 23:22 GMT
> No controversy but just to tell you what I use, which smells better :-)
>     TED gave me a small bottle of undiluted clinicide, which they use to
> disinfect at their clinic.  It is red and it is diluted some ridiculous
> manner of 1 tsp per quart or something.  Smells nice and disinfects well
> enough to be used in the clinic. I dump out the litter, rinse the boxes,
> then spray on and wipe off the clinicide.

Is clinicide a brand name, or a chemical name? I've never heard of it,
which makes me think it's a brand name, maybe sold only in Canada? I'll
ask at the vet's to see if something like that is available here. Do you
know what's in it?

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Susan M - 24 May 2008 23:29 GMT
>  > No controversy but just to tell you what I use, which smells better :-)
>  >     TED gave me a small bottle of undiluted clinicide, which they use to
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> ask at the vet's to see if something like that is available here. Do you
> know what's in it?

Here's what I found online:  http://www.drugs.com/vet/clinicide-can.html

They don't regularly sell it to their clients - they gave me a small
bottle of it in exchange for an animal charity donation (always happy to
do that!) because they know how picky Otis is about his litterbox.  It's
just really great nice-smelling stuff which, most importantly, Otis
finds agreeable ;-)

Susan M
Otis and Chester
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 25 May 2008 01:47 GMT
> Here's what I found online:  http://www.drugs.com/vet/clinicide-can.html

> They don't regularly sell it to their clients - they gave me a small
> bottle of it in exchange for an animal charity donation (always happy to
> do that!) because they know how picky Otis is about his litterbox.  It's
> just really great nice-smelling stuff which, most importantly, Otis
> finds agreeable ;-)

I can't imagine why the stuff wouldn't be made available to consumers
if it's an effective disinfectant *and* it smells good. Sounds like the
holy grail of cleaners. The company that makes it could make some good
money - a lot more than selling just to vets and vet hospitals.

Thanks for the info.

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Jack Campin - bogus address - 26 May 2008 00:29 GMT
>> http://www.drugs.com/vet/clinicide-can.html
>> They don't regularly sell it to their clients - they gave me a small
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> I can't imagine why the stuff wouldn't be made available to consumers
> if it's an effective disinfectant *and* it smells good.

Because it's poisonous.  They aren't kidding with that "harmful if
swallowed" warning.  Not the sort of stuff you'd want to have around
where small kids could get at it.

I'd worry about the "nice-smelling" bit too.  Scented products are
a major cause of allergy (fabric softeners being the worst).  And
cats get eczema and respiratory allergies too.

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Christina Websell - 25 May 2008 00:00 GMT
>I would like to start using bleach to disinfect litterboxes, but so
> far I have not had good results finding it in the store. They do sell
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> please. I am not going to use Simple Green or anything else that doesn't
> KILL GERMS. Just tell me where to buy bleach. Thank you! :)

Bleach is really bad for the environment.  You might like to look at this:
http://www.stainexpert.co.uk/EnvironmentFriendlyMethodsOfStainRemoval.html

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