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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / May 2008Ping Pat - how is Abelard?
Pat - how is Abelard coming along?  SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ | Pat - how is Abelard coming along? I was just about to post an update.... He's getting intensive care. He quit eating on his own and is back to being forced with the syringe. It's a fight to get anything into him. I overdid the water I guess because he barfed it up. At least he didn't lose any of the food, just water, and it was after a pill, so I had to give another and now I'm short one. Hope it doesn't matter. Anyway, he's still lethargic and very wobbly. A bit less than the other day, but still enough to worry me. He did lap up a tiny bit of water on his own Monday morning, but not nearly enough. He's losing weight like crazy. >> Pat - how is Abelard coming along? > I was just about to post an update.... > He's getting intensive care. He quit eating on his own and is back to > being forced with the syringe. It's a fight to get anything into him. > I overdid the water I guess because he barfed it up. At least he didn't lose > any of the food, just water, and it was after a pill, so I had to give > another and now I'm short one. Hope it doesn't matter. > Anyway, he's still lethargic and very wobbly. A bit less than the other day, > but still enough to worry me. He did lap up a tiny bit of water on his own > Monday morning, but not nearly enough. He's losing weight like crazy. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that! :( Purrs for him to rally again. Maybe he should get some "Pediasure" or something like that. It's a supplement for babies, to help keep weight on them when they're not eating well. I would think it wouldn't hurt a cat. Or maybe there's even such a thing for cats. Sounds like he needs some high-calorie food, since he's not taking in that much at one time. SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ On May 14, 6:48 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > >> Pat - how is Abelard coming along? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ Nutrical is probably the closest thing that's for cats. It's high in nutrients and calories, comes in a tube like toothpaste. Children's Pedialyte is good for kittens with diarrhea. It replaces electrolytes and keeps them from dehydrating. Nutrical probably saved Yoda's life one time. It must taste okay, because even he didn't fight too badly about it. Sherry Nutrical is probably the closest thing that's for cats. It's high in nutrients and calories, comes in a tube like toothpaste. Children's Pedialyte is good for kittens with diarrhea. It replaces electrolytes and keeps them from dehydrating. Nutrical probably saved Yoda's life one time. It must taste okay, because even he didn't fight too badly about it. I looked up the ingredients. It's mostly corn syrup, soybean oil and molasses with vitamins added. I can make a much better quality supplement here at home, for less money. I will try this. He should probably go back to the vet but his treatment so far has cost nearly $250 that I didn't have. > I looked up the ingredients. It's mostly corn syrup, soybean oil and > molasses with vitamins added. Yuck, that's probably not good for a cat. And you're right that you could make something better yourself. > I can make a much better quality supplement here at home, for less > money. I will try this. He should probably go back to the vet but > his treatment so far has cost nearly $250 that I didn't have. If he needs to go back to the vet, I can help. Maybe others could, too? SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > Nutrical is probably the closest thing that's for cats. It's high in > nutrients and calories, comes in a tube like toothpaste. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > here at home, for less money. I will try this. He should probably go back to > the vet but his treatment so far has cost nearly $250 that I didn't have. According to the manufacturer, Nutrical is a "high-calorie supplement, easily digested. The veterinary standard for appetite stimulation and balanced nutrition." Minimum Guaranteed Analysis Per Teaspoon (6 g) Crude Protein 0.7% Crude Fat 34.5% Calcium (0.0026%) 0.16 mg Phosphorus (0.0003%) 0.02 mg Potassium (0.0025%) 0.15 mg Sodium (0.0168%) 1.01 mg Chloride (0.0055%) 0.33 mg Magnesium (0.0063%) 0.38 mg Iron (0.0088%) 0.53 mg Manganese (0.0158%) 0.95 mg Iodine (0.0080%) 0.48 mg Vitamin A 734 IU Vitamin D 55 IU Vitamin E 5 IU Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) 1.520 mg Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin) 0.2 mg Vitamin B12 1.9 mcg Pantothenic Acid 1.74 mg Niacin 1.90 mg Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 0.73 mg Folic Acid 0.19 mg Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin) 1.83 mg > Nutrical is probably the closest thing that's for cats. It's high in > nutrients and calories, comes in a tube like toothpaste. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > here at home, for less money. I will try this. He should probably go back to > the vet but his treatment so far has cost nearly $250 that I didn't have. How can you make a better quality supplement for less? What would you use? IIRC, Nutrical is only about $6 a tube. And corn syrup isn't that bad for cats, or surely vets wouldn't prescribe it for kittens so much. Sherry > How can you make a better quality supplement for less? > What would you use? Same or better food ingredients + kitty vitamins (liquid). > IIRC, Nutrical is only about $6 a tube ... for ingredients that probably cost less than half a buck per tube. Why spend the extra money? Just tried out my home-made Nutrical recipe. He didn't fight very much. Maybe he likes the sweet taste. > > How can you make a better quality supplement for less? > > What would you use? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ... for ingredients that probably cost less than half a buck per tube. Why > spend the extra money? I don't know, Pat. When it comes to a cat sick enough he won't eat, I think you'd be penny-wise and pound-foolish. It's so critical that he gets the *right* nutrients to prevent liver problems. And unless you already have molasses, corn syrup, and kitty vitamins on hand, you've already spent more than $6-$7. I don't own stock in Nutrical, but Yoda was so ill and weak he was dragging his back legs. It's not just the empty calories they're getting from the molasses/corn syrup, it's specifically formulated to enhance the appetite. And the goal isn't just to shove nutrients down his throat; it's to get him eating on his own again, don't you think? Sherry > unless you already have molasses, corn syrup, and kitty vitamins > on hand I do. I also have the oils. This thred will be marked as read front now on. When a person keeps getting good advice and keeps ignoring it, it just isn't worth the worry. I think the cat really needs the vet and from the way you talked before, never mind, may Bast belss your poor kitty. On May 14, 11:02 pm, "Pat" <just_a_ghost@in_this_house.com> wrote: > "Sherry" <sridd...@aol.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ... for ingredients that probably cost less than half a buck per tube. Why > spend the extra money? I don't know, Pat. When it comes to a cat sick enough he won't eat, I think you'd be penny-wise and pound-foolish. It's so critical that he gets the *right* nutrients to prevent liver problems. And unless you already have molasses, corn syrup, and kitty vitamins on hand, you've already spent more than $6-$7. I don't own stock in Nutrical, but Yoda was so ill and weak he was dragging his back legs. It's not just the empty calories they're getting from the molasses/corn syrup, it's specifically formulated to enhance the appetite. And the goal isn't just to shove nutrients down his throat; it's to get him eating on his own again, don't you think? Sherry >> This thred will be marked as read front now on. When a person keeps >> getting good advice and keeps ignoring it, it just isn't worth the >> worry. I think the cat really needs the vet and from the way you >> talked before, never mind, may Bast belss your poor kitty. Typical of Pat. It's why she left the group in the first place. But purrs for Abelard continue. The cat shouldn't suffer because of the owner. Jill >>>> How can you make a better quality supplement for less? >>>> What would you use? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >> Sherry | may Bast belss your poor kitty and curse me for trusting my own judgement, no doubt. On May 14, 11:02 pm, "Pat" <just_a_ghost@in_this_house.com> wrote: > "Sherry" <sridd...@aol.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ... for ingredients that probably cost less than half a buck per tube. Why > spend the extra money? I don't know, Pat. When it comes to a cat sick enough he won't eat, I think you'd be penny-wise and pound-foolish. It's so critical that he gets the *right* nutrients to prevent liver problems. And unless you already have molasses, corn syrup, and kitty vitamins on hand, you've already spent more than $6-$7. I don't own stock in Nutrical, but Yoda was so ill and weak he was dragging his back legs. It's not just the empty calories they're getting from the molasses/corn syrup, it's specifically formulated to enhance the appetite. And the goal isn't just to shove nutrients down his throat; it's to get him eating on his own again, don't you think? Sherry ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sherry, we've gone through this so many times before it's ridiculous. You know you're never going to win an argument like this with Pat no matter how sensible or how correct you may be. Instead of doing what's right for her cats she'd rather spend time here arguing why *her* way is correct. Hugs, CatNipped > On May 14, 11:02 pm, "Pat" <just_a_ghost@in_this_house.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > CatNipped Well, I don't mean to be pushy, either. I don't own stock in the stuff, and I really never argue one food is better than another, etc. etc. I just thought Yoda was a goner though. He'd quit eating alltogether, and was getting food through a syringe for 2 weeks. But Also, since Pat has already spent so much at the vet's, I always felt entitled to as many phone calls for guidance as I thought we needed. The vet was always happy to return the calls and answer any questions. (Or at least he "acted" happy, he was probably really rolling his eyes) Sherry >> How can you make a better quality supplement for less? >> What would you use? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ... for ingredients that probably cost less than half a buck per tube. Why > spend the extra money? Pat, you can't possibly duplicate Nutrical at home. You are only duplicating the binders and taste enhancers, *not* the nutrients. Take a look at the list that Sherry posted. I used Nutrical years ago for a very elderly cat, and the Nutrical treatment was very effective. Don't take chances with your cat's health by assuming that you can duplicate the ingredients. You can't even be sure of the exact proportions to use. MaryL MaryL | Pat, you can't possibly duplicate Nutrical at home. You are only | duplicating the binders and taste enhancers, *not* the nutrients. Take a | look at the list that Sherry posted. I used Nutrical years ago for a very | elderly cat, and the Nutrical treatment was very effective. Don't take | chances with your cat's health by assuming that you can duplicate the | ingredients. You can't even be sure of the exact proportions to use. As far as I'm concerned, with a bike in the rain after dark and only Walmart open, on the far end of town, I'm gonna do the best I can at home. Here's the list from the the kitty vitamins liquid added to my formula: Guaranteed Analysis: Minimum quantities per 4.5 mL serving unless otherwise stated (1 fl Oz=28.35 gr.) Vitamin A 1000IU Vitamin C 75mg Vitamin D 100IU Vitamin E 40IU Vitamin B12 0,2mcg Taurine 25mg Zinc 1.5mg Phosphorous 77mg Magnesium 2mg Linoleic Acid 30mg Manganese 6mcg Calcium 106mg Linolenic Acid 10mg Iron 8 mg Thiamine (B1) 2 mg Riboflavin (B2) 1mg Pyridoxine (B6) 0.08mg Vitamin B12 0.2mcg Cobalt 2 mcg Iodine 0.05mg Archidonic Acid 5 mg Potassium 0.01mg Copper 0.05mg Niacin 10 mg Eicosapentanoic Acid 14mcg Docosahexaenoic Acid 15mcg INGREDIENTS: Spring Water, Salmon Oil, Lechitin, Zinc, Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Linolenic Acid, Magnesium Oxide, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Vitamin A Acetate, Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3), Taurine, D-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Niacin, Riboflavin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyrodoxine hydrochloride, EPA, DHA, Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid), Yucca Schidigera Extract, Garlic Extract, Cranberry Extract, Vitamin B12 Cyanocobalamine and Arachidonic Acid. Best of all, he LIKED IT. > | Pat, you can't possibly duplicate Nutrical at home. You are only > | duplicating the binders and taste enhancers, *not* the nutrients. Take a [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Best of all, he LIKED IT. Well, the most important thing is getting *something* down him until he is eating on his own. I'm really worried that his balance should be more improved by now, but then I don't know anything about inner ear problems. Watch his ears and the whites of his eyes. If HL starts to set in, they will turn noticeably yellow. Sherry > Nutrical is probably the closest thing that's for cats. It's high in > nutrients and calories, comes in a tube like toothpaste. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > here at home, for less money. I will try this. He should probably go back to > the vet but his treatment so far has cost nearly $250 that I didn't have. Talk to your vet about Hill's A/D. When Rusty stopped eating while on anitbiotics, the vet told me to feed him A/D. Winnie > > Nutrical is probably the closest thing that's for cats. It's high in > > nutrients and calories, comes in a tube like toothpaste. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Winnie That's good stuff for a sick cat too, Winnie. I remember also Yoda got some kind of B vitamins in a brown dropper bottle. That was probably to help jump-start his liver though. Sherry On May 15, 12:21 am, Winnie <ww...@yahoo.ca> wrote: > On May 14, 9:00 pm, "Pat" <just_a_ghost@in_this_house.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Winnie That's good stuff for a sick cat too, Winnie. I remember also Yoda got some kind of B vitamins in a brown dropper bottle. That was probably to help jump-start his liver though. Sherry Some of the B vitamins stimulate appetite. And sometimes that's really enough. Nutrical sure has helped our cats in the past when they needed that extra boost to make the through. I don't think Sam would have survived without it. Jo > Nutrical is probably the closest thing that's for cats. It's high in > nutrients and calories, comes in a tube like toothpaste. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > to > the vet but his treatment so far has cost nearly $250 that I didn't have. If you are going to try to use something that you make yourself, here is what helped stimulate one of my cat's appetite at a time when she was in declining health. She had both liver disease and CRF. Take pieces of chicken (including skin and bones), preferably a whole chicken cut up. Put in a pot large enough to cover with two or three inches of water. Bring to a boil, then reduce to a simmer. Let this simmer for *a very long time* -- until the liquid reduces to only a couple of inches in the bottom of the pan. You are not trying to cook chicken that Abelard will eat. You can reserve that for yourself (if the taste is still acceptable after this long period of time) or the other cats. What you are doing is leaching all sorts of nutrients into a base. Strain and refrigerate the liquid. If you have cooked it long enough, this will congeal and form a sort of gel. Skim off the fat. Several times a day, heat two or three tablespoons of this gel just enough so it will melt. Use a syringe (no needle, of course) to *gently* force this into Abelard's mouth. After two or three times of that, I would then put this same liquid on top of her food. This worked for quite a long time to stimulate her appetite. My mother suggested this to me. She had learned it from her father, who was a farmer and was very good at taking care of his animals. My suggestion is to use both this *and* Nutrical (but not a home-made version of it). MaryL >> Nutrical is probably the closest thing that's for cats. It's high in >> nutrients and calories, comes in a tube like toothpaste. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > My suggestion is to use both this *and* Nutrical (but not a home-made > version of it). Ah, chicken soup! The great panacea. That liquid would be full of protein (gelatin). Yowie >>> Nutrical is probably the closest thing that's for cats. It's high in >>> nutrients and calories, comes in a tube like toothpaste. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Yowie Yes, that was the purpose of it. The chicken itself (simmered for so long) would lose all of the nutrients to the liquid (a gel after refrigeration). Amber had CRF and was also diagnosed with liver disease at the age of 13. The first indication of serious problems was in her blood panel that was done that year. Three months later, the liver tests were markedly worse. Her vet did not expect her to live more than 3 more months. Instead, she lived 3 more years! Her appetite would decline, and I would use the "chicken soup/gel regimen." That would stimulate her appetite, and then it would decline again several weeks later and we would go through the same routine. This was an enormous help during that time. Of course, she was getting regular veterinary care, we had to go through a number of canned foods before we found one of the prescription foods that her body could tolerate, and she would get Ringer's lactate from time to time. That was so many years ago that I have forgotten many of the details of her care, but I will never forget Amber's sweet personality. She was a dear little angel (and the people who had her before I adopted her had had her declawed. Grrrr!). Here is a picture of Amber at the age of 15-1/2: http://tinyurl.com/6dokw9 MaryL >>>> Nutrical is probably the closest thing that's for cats. It's high in >>>> nutrients and calories, comes in a tube like toothpaste. [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > MaryL Wow, she was gorgeous - I love those distinctive marking on her face, and those eyes!!! Hugs, CatNipped > Here is a picture of Amber at the age of 15-1/2: > http://tinyurl.com/6dokw9 Oh, what a pretty cat! Her eyes look almost turquoise in that picture, is that what they looked like in real life? SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > > Here is a picture of Amber at the age of 15-1/2: > > http://tinyurl.com/6dokw9 > > Oh, what a pretty cat! Her eyes look almost turquoise in that picture, > is that what they looked like in real life? Yes, they really looked like that. I always thought of them as sapphire eyes -- more blue than turquoise, but the most spectacular eyes imaginable. MaryL > Yes, that was the purpose of it. The chicken itself (simmered for so > long) would lose all of the nutrients to the liquid (a gel after [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > her had had her declawed. Grrrr!). Here is a picture of Amber at the age > of 15-1/2: http://tinyurl.com/6dokw9 What a beautiful owner she was. Pam S. who also has beautiful cats, in a goofy sort of way >> Pat - how is Abelard coming along? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > water on his own Monday morning, but not nearly enough. He's losing > weight like crazy. Gosh darn it! I was hoping he was getting better. Okay, more purrs coming from here. kili > | Pat - how is Abelard coming along? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > but still enough to worry me. He did lap up a tiny bit of water on his own > Monday morning, but not nearly enough. He's losing weight like crazy. Continuing purrs for the little guy. Sam, supervised by Mistletoe Dr. Kim from Whetstone clinic just returned my call. I told her everything I've been doing including the home-made "nutrical" formula and she said it is spot on. I might have to do sub-q fluids here, and get a refill on the pills if he has not improved by tomorrow night. She says inner ear infections take quite a while to improve. > Dr. Kim from Whetstone clinic just returned my call. I told her > everything I've been doing including the home-made "nutrical" formula > and she said it is spot on. I might have to do sub-q fluids here, and > get a refill on the pills if he has not improved by tomorrow night. > She says inner ear infections take quite a while to improve. Continuing purrs for Abelard and you. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk |
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