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Granby - 14 May 2008 20:10 GMT
I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for throwing a
bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry field.  Someone like
this, well I can't imagine what should be done to him.  The homes, the live,
the animals he has hurt.  If one person comes on here and says that this is
an illness and we shouldn't judge, I will.....implode or something.
jmcquown - 14 May 2008 20:35 GMT
> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
> field.  Someone like this, well I can't imagine what should be done
> to him.  The homes, the live, the animals he has hurt.  If one person
> comes on here and says that this is an illness and we shouldn't
> judge, I will.....implode or something.

This sort of thing is why Matthew (and others) are having problems with loss
of property (hopefully still not loss of life) in Florida.  They shouldn't
have wildfires in Florida, I don't care how dry the conditions are.

Just another idiot one notch down on the food chain.  No regard for life or
property.  I'm not gonna say this is an illness.  I say serve him up to the
alligators in the Everglades.  In pieces.  Grrrrr.

Jill
Matthew - 14 May 2008 21:07 GMT
NO LOSS OF LIFE YET

162 homes destroyed
10 million in damage
3 fire fighters hurt
13,000 acres burned or burning
multiple road and school closures
3000 plus mandatory evacuated or voluntary evacuation

250 furballs evacuated safely from Daytona beach shelter,  Shelter is safe
furballs returned home last night :-)

One suspect in custody.  If this is the guy  good old matt wants 10 minutes
alone with him   no court needed just get a raw chicken and some rope
nature will get rid of the evidence

A strike team remains in Palm Bay looking for hot spots, but firefighters
said they are optimistic about getting the flames from the 9.990-acre fire
contained. Fire crews said they had 40 percent of the fires contained by
Tuesday night.

In Cocoa, after scorching more than 250 acres Monday, the fire flared up
again Tuesday, burning 75 more acres and shutting down I-95. Residents were
forced to evacuate their homes and hotel rooms until the fire was back under
control.

Firefighters in Malabar say the fire there, which has already burned 2,500
acres has the potential to keep growing. Crews spent Tuesday night closely
watching hot spots, including a fire that is moving in the direction of
homes at Crepe Myrtle Drive near Berry Drive.

The 800-acre brush fire in northwest Daytona Beach has been confined, and
the Division of Forestry said about 55 percent has been contained.

>> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
>> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
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>
> Jill
kilikini - 14 May 2008 21:21 GMT
> NO LOSS OF LIFE YET
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> The 800-acre brush fire in northwest Daytona Beach has been confined,
> and the Division of Forestry said about 55 percent has been contained.

And what did I say about Polk County?  There's two fires going on there, now
as well.  This state is up in flames.  I got these messages today:

Fire crews are working to contain a brush fire in Spring Hill.  Some homes
have been evacuated.
Tune in to BN9 for more.

Polk firefighters battling brushfire in Frostproof. Structures in danger.
Tune in to BN9 for more.

It's going to be a nasty fire season, but it doesn't help when it's arson.
That's just wrong.

kili
Dewi - 16 May 2008 21:33 GMT
I hope the suspect is the right person and that they can sentence the
person(s) that did this. It'll take forever to get sorted though and
I'm sure the sentence will be pitiful compared with what was done.

A few years back there was a huge bush fire in Canberra and it was
believed to be caused by an arson(s). I don't think they ever
convicted anyone. *Heaps* of homes and forest lost. One of the animal
shelters burnt down too which was especially sad as many of the
animals died.

Dewi
Jo Firey - 14 May 2008 21:09 GMT
>> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
>> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
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>
> Jill

Florida does have fire problems from time to time from lightening strikes.

One of those would improve the person or persons who are starting the
fires.

Jo
Granby - 14 May 2008 21:29 GMT
I agree, although maybe the alligators have better taste than we think.  No,
it isn't funny and I hope that justice, although I can't imagine what it
would be, will be done.
>> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
>> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Jill
Yowie - 14 May 2008 22:15 GMT
>> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
>> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> life or property.  I'm not gonna say this is an illness.  I say serve
> him up to the alligators in the Everglades.  In pieces.  Grrrrr.

The word for not caring about about anyone but themselves and lacking any
empathy for others is 'sociopathy'. Two year olds display sociopathy, they
are the centre of the universe and the universe is there to serve them. By
3, they are aware that others have different thoughts, feelings and needs.
By around 4, empathy has developed and kids don't want others to be sad or
hurt because they know what its ike to be sad or hurt themselvses. Teenagers
somewhat revert for a while, but sociopaths never get that basic idea. It
would never occur to a sociopath that the reason lighting fires is wrong is
that many people and animals suffer - the only reason they would udnerstand
is that if they are caught, they'll go to jail. Unfortunatley, thas part of
the thrill. The other people losing their homes, livlihoods and even their
lives is simply 'collateral damage'.

I lived iwth a sociopath for 10 years. Sociopaths are incapable of
acknowledging let alone respecting the needs and wants of other people.

Yowie
Dewi - 15 May 2008 07:58 GMT
> >> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
> >> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Yowie

I think they call it antisocial personality disorder these days. Or it
could be one of the other personality disorders anyway.

Dewi
jmcquown - 15 May 2008 10:09 GMT
> > >> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
> > >> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Dewi

Oh, well that makes it better!  Sheesh.  Slap whatever label on them you
want to, they are sociopaths.  There's no "curing" them.

Jill
Dewi - 16 May 2008 21:13 GMT
> > > >> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
> > > >> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>
> Jill

The lable wasn't meant to make it better, I was providing the correct
(or possibly correct) name... sheesh! Personally I like knowing the
current and correct terms.

Dewi
Granby - 15 May 2008 12:26 GMT
Didn't we used to confine and care for people who were hell bent on
eliminating the rest of us?
>> >> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
>> >> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
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>
> Dewi
Cheryl P. - 15 May 2008 13:41 GMT
> Didn't we used to confine and care for people who were hell bent on
> eliminating the rest of us?

Sometimes people who merely annoyed us got caught up in the effort, though.

And I think we still lock up people who commit violent crimes. The
inevitable tragedy is that they have to commit the crime first, so as to
avoid  locking up people we think will be criminals who won't.

Cheryl
Dewi - 16 May 2008 21:20 GMT
> > Didn't we used to confine and care for people who were hell bent on
> > eliminating the rest of us?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Cheryl

So true, they have to commit the crime first.
alisont - 15 May 2008 13:22 GMT
Burning at the stake would be too quick... Perhaps a nice slow roast over
some hot coals.

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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) - 14 May 2008 20:36 GMT
> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for throwing a
> bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry field.  Someone like
> this, well I can't imagine what should be done to him.  The homes, the live,
> the animals he has hurt.  If one person comes on here and says that this is
> an illness and we shouldn't judge, I will.....implode or something.

Well, it probably IS an "illness" (what normal person does such things?)
but that doesn't mean he/she shouldn't be locked up!  (The difference
is, the locking up should include psychiatric treatment, so the same
thing doesn't happen again when the sentence runs out and the culprit is
released back into society!)
jmcquown - 14 May 2008 21:07 GMT
>> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
>> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> so the same thing doesn't happen again when the sentence runs out and
> the culprit is released back into society!)

As you probably have read in the past, setting fires is often the sign of a
sociopath.  These people don't feel what we feel.  They cannot be redeemed
by psychiatric treatment.  They become skilled at acting "normal".  When
they are released they go on to do it again.  Firestarters aren't like kids
tossing a cherry bomb to watch it explode and then go "oops, we set a fire".

What to do?  Honestly, I don't know.  But conventional psychiatric treatment
doesn't seem to help these types.  The usually escalate.

Jill
Matthew - 14 May 2008 21:21 GMT
>>> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
>>> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Jill

Just like serial killers they start out with insects move on to small
animals than something larger usually children and move on more of the
thrill
Serial arsonist are obsessed with fire the more they see it the more excuse
the pun consumed by it.   There is no therapy for them.

There are several documentaries on the subject and it is a scary thing to
understand

there was a good movie about an firefighter arsonist it had Donald
Sutherland, Kurt Russell in it called back draft
Kyla =^. .^= - 14 May 2008 21:32 GMT
That is just so sick and wrong. I hope the suspect gets a harsh sentence..
Wish I could be on the jury for that one.
PUUUUUUUUUURS and prayers are sent for the victims.
Hug
Kyla

>>>> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
>>>> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
>>>> field.  Someone like this, well I can't imagine what should be done
>>>> to him.  The homes, the live, the animals he has hurt.  If one
>>>> person comes on here and says that this is an illness and we
>>>> shouldn't judge, I will.....implode or something.
Yowie - 16 May 2008 07:29 GMT
>>> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
>>> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> What to do?  Honestly, I don't know.  But conventional psychiatric
> treatment doesn't seem to help these types.  The usually escalate.

As even AA will tell you, the first step to recovery is to admit you have a
problem.

Sociopaths probably don't even recognise that they are different to other
people, let alone recognsiing that that difference is *their* problem.

That is one of hte major problems with depression, alcholism, drug use,
schizophrenia etc etc, until the person in question recognises that there is
a better way of being *and asks for help*, there's not much that can be done
except to mitigate their effect on you (and society as a whole). That self
awareness usually comes about because the sufferer realises they lousy
inside and wants to feel better again.

Sociopaths don't feel lousy inside in the first place. I would suggest that
sociopaths don't feel at all.

Yowie
Daniel Mahoney - 14 May 2008 20:51 GMT
> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for throwing a
> bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry field.  Someone like
> this, well I can't imagine what should be done to him.  The homes, the live,
> the animals he has hurt.  If one person comes on here and says that this is
> an illness and we shouldn't judge, I will.....implode or something.

I believe the proper way to deal with the idiot would be to dispense 200
grains or thereabouts of lead (perhaps jacketed hollow-point) at high
speed.

This person, if truly guilty, has committed at least many dozens of counts
of attempted murder. If anyone dies, murder. Sorry, no sympathy from me
for the person who would commit such an act.
kilikini - 14 May 2008 21:22 GMT
>> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
>> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> counts of attempted murder. If anyone dies, murder. Sorry, no
> sympathy from me for the person who would commit such an act.

I agree with you, Daniel.

kili
Kyla =^. .^= - 14 May 2008 21:33 GMT
"kilikini" ...

>>> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for
>>> throwing a bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> kili

Same here...
Hug
Kyla
Yowie - 15 May 2008 04:36 GMT
Another tale from the 'I like animals best' library.

My boss had told me yesterday to organise a 'work ute' (thats truck to USA
folk) for work today as we neded it to go pick up some steel sampels.
There's usually two available in the car pool, but even after protracted
negotiation, they weren't availabel at the time we needed. it. The boss had
to leave early, leavingme to get a ute. Eventually i decided to hire one.

This of course meant gettingup earlier than usual, driving into town and
doing the paper work early, so I could arrive with Ute on time. WhenI got
there, they only had a manual ute left. Whislt I can drive shift, I am no
longer comfortable doig so and renting a manual vehicle is actually against
company policy. But since I'd booked it, I had to pay for it whether I
actually took it or not, so I took it.

Got to work to discover I'd left my licence and Amex at the rental place.
But of course, they hadn't seen either of them.

Not good.

Tell boss what he's done. He's a nice bloke, and although he said I had
shown 'good intiative' actually *renting* one wasn't necessary and was goign
to have to come out of our budget somehow. He wasnt' pleased.

So, we went to go get our samples and we were stopped at the gate. Despite
havign always been let in before, we were told to go back and get the proper
paperwork filled out.

Thus,w e drove all the way back to our office to get a stupic signature, and
drove back out again. Different security guy at the gate, and we were waved
through, no 'extra' paper work necessary.

When we got there, our safety passes were out of date by less than 12 hours
(they are valid for 3 years). So, we had to sit there and fill new ones out
and go through all the safety stuff again.

Which meant we'd lost that hour's oppurtunity to sample what we needed, and
had to wait for the next hour.

I got back to the office to discover a voicemail fromthe police. Your
vhecile will be towed unles syou move it inthe next 2 hours.

Great. I've got butt loads of work to do (we have to do work onthe smaples
straight away, thats why we have to go collect them) but I have to go move
my car. I rang the police. they were sympathetic  but those ar ethe rules. I
had allegedly parked in a little old lady who needed to go to a doctor's
appointment this morning.

So, i sacrificed my lunchtime to go out, return the ute, and move the car.
Part of returning the ute is to fill itback up with petrol. Despite it only
needing just over a gallon, I had to pay for it out of my money - I had lost
my company Amex.

Thought if I had truly convenienced Little Old Lady the least I could do was
buy the poor lass some flowers as an apology. Bought the cheapest bunch I
could - $20 - and after returning the ute, went to return to the scene of my
crime.

Yes, my car was, in a legal sense, parked over their driveway, but I could
have gotten out if I had wanted to. nevertheless, i thougth I'd better
apologise.

I knocked onthe door and a man in his boxers and a stained undershirt
answered the door. He smelled of beer. I told him that I owned the car and I
was sorry. I proffered the flowers. He called me all the names under the
sun, accused me of parkign there to go to the pub (even though I'm in full
work uniform with company logos all over it) and never let up for a second
abusing me. Best I could say was "I'm really sorry" and leave. He was still
abusing me as I got in my car.

Shocked and upset, I left, but as I drove away, noticed no car in his
driveway, no car in fact anywhere on his property and he had didn't have a
garage where the car might of been. In fact I don't think he had a car at
all.

And the $80 parking fine was just the icing on the cake.

OK, yes, I had parked illegally, I admit. Whilst that street is not
regularly patrolled by police or parking patrols, they are within their
rights to check anywhere and everywhere, and therefore I can't dispute the
fine (even though had not hte cranky old man called them, I doubt i would
have gotten one). But why couldn't he take a sinceere apology? I didn't
*have* to buy the flowers, heck, I didn't even have to knock on his door and
and admit it was me in the first place. He would have been none hte wiser
had I just got in my illegally parked car and driven off. But I genuinely
thought I was *doing the right thing* and copped an earful of irrational
abuse for my trouble.

Even Suki had forgiven me by this morning for bringing in NewCat. Yet
another reason why cats are clearly the Superior Species, IMHO.

Yowie
Charleen Welton - 15 May 2008 04:53 GMT
Oh dear, the biggest warmest hug for you.  May you not even dream about that
day again!
Charleen
Aggie Marble
Victor Velcro
who are both sending warm purrs of comfort

> Another tale from the 'I like animals best' library.
>
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>
> Yowie
Kyla =^. .^= - 15 May 2008 22:33 GMT
Oh wow, Yowie, that is horrid,.
Mosey and I are sending you the biggest puuuuurs and hugs too
Kyla

"Charleen Welton"
> Oh dear, the biggest warmest hug for you.  May you not even dream about
> that day again!
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>>
>> Yowie
Joy - 15 May 2008 07:41 GMT
Oh, Yowie!  What an awful day!  Did you ever get your license back?

((((((((Yowie))))))))

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> Another tale from the 'I like animals best' library.
>
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>
> Yowie
Yowie - 16 May 2008 03:30 GMT
> Oh, Yowie!  What an awful day!  Did you ever get your license back?

Nope. Here, its illegal to drive withouth it, so I went to the Motor Vehicle
Department and got a replacement done. Cost me $20.

Yesterday's bill came to $126 and a few cents. $80 for the parking fine, $20
for flowers, $20 for replacement licence, $6 for hte petrol.

At least I don't have to pay to replace the Amex.

Got home, scratched all three cats, hugged Joel & Cary alot and cried.

Whilst sitting there with Joel & Cary having a joke over dinner, I saw the
news coverage of China's earthquake and Myanmar/Burma's cyclone. I realised
that only $126 (that I can afford.... just) and some inconvenience and
stress is actually *a very good day* compared to many.

Said silent thanks to the PTB for the sort of bad days like mine was
yesterday, rather than bad days like the folks are having in China &
Burma/Myanmar

Yowie
Granby - 15 May 2008 12:20 GMT
Glad NewCat is still around to celebrate the day. The celebration that you
survived at that mess.  I am always trying to do "what is right" and, most
of the time,.. I come out on the short end for it.  Is my nature though so,
like you, will keep plugging ahead.
> Another tale from the 'I like animals best' library.
>
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>
> Yowie
kilikini - 15 May 2008 14:53 GMT
> Another tale from the 'I like animals best' library.
>
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>
> Yowie

What a crappy story!  I don't mean crappily told, I mean, that was a day in
hell for you.  I would have gone home and cried my eyes out.  Did you get
your ID and AMEX back, ever?

kili
Adrian - 15 May 2008 17:46 GMT
<snip>
> Even Suki had forgiven me by this morning for bringing in NewCat. Yet
> another reason why cats are clearly the Superior Species, IMHO.
>
> Yowie

{{{{{{{{{{{{ Vicky }}}}}}}}}}}} You need more than ahug for the day you had.
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CatNipped - 15 May 2008 20:22 GMT
> Another tale from the 'I like animals best' library.
>
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>
> Yowie

{{{{{{{{{Vickie}}}}}}}}}}

It sounds like you had a really, really bad day - purrs on the way for you
to get the good Karma you deserve.

Hugs,

CatNipped
Christina Websell - 16 May 2008 00:16 GMT
> Another tale from the 'I like animals best' library.
>
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> Even Suki had forgiven me by this morning for bringing in NewCat. Yet
> another reason why cats are clearly the Superior Species, IMHO.

Oh, yes!  I feel your pain.  Just like the woman who came flaming into our
offices the other day, claiming our staff were parking in front of her
house.  Not in front of her driveway, she doesn't have one, it's a terraced
house where the front is right on to the pavement and if there are no
parking restrictions marked on the road anyone can park there.  She was told
this.  She then claimed she had a disabled child.  That was a bit of a
mistake, as because we are the Social Services Department we would have her
child on our database.  We don't.  So she was told that if she had a
disabled child she should apply to the local council to have a space marked
in front of house "disabled" and then no-one could park there.  She was not
happy with this and said she would come back later and block our car park
entrance at home time so none of the staff could get out.
Which she did.  She parked her 4x4 across the entrance.  Then got moved by
the police.
The following day she stormed in again and said she was having a rubbish
skip delivered and there was once again a car parked in front of her house
and if it wasn't moved she would get the driver to drop it on top of the
offending car.  Yeah, like he's going to do that! She was arrested for
threatening behaviour.  We haven't heard from her since.  Oh, and there was
no rubbish skip in the space there..
They just make it up sometimes, Yowie.  Sorry you got the verbal and were
out a bunch of flowers :-(
It was a nice gesture had it been a little old lady.

Tweed
polonca12000 - 22 May 2008 22:27 GMT
> Another tale from the 'I like animals best' library.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> negotiation, they weren't availabel at the time we needed. it. The boss had
> to leave early, leavingme to get a ute. Eventually i decided to hire one.
<snip>
> Even Suki had forgiven me by this morning for bringing in NewCat. Yet
> another reason why cats are clearly the Superior Species, IMHO.
>
> Yowie

I'm so sorry to hear you had such a horrible day, Vicky.
Lots and lots of purrs and hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
Stormmee - 15 May 2008 06:16 GMT
amputation cures some illness, Lee
> I just heard on NPR radio that they arrested a man in Florida for throwing a
> bottle of gas or something and starting a fire in a dry field.  Someone like
> this, well I can't imagine what should be done to him.  The homes, the live,
> the animals he has hurt.  If one person comes on here and says that this is
> an illness and we shouldn't judge, I will.....implode or something.

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