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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / May 2008Update KFC (GW)
She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from hospital, but her streaming green nose stuff has never cleared up properly, although not quite so frequent. However, I don't think she likes having it any more than I liked it last night when she sat on my chest purring while I was watching TV. I watched while a trail of green came from her nostril and got larger and larger and started to bubble. I was torn between knowing what was going to happen and not wanting to disturb her because she was comfortable. The not disturbing won and the inevitable happened.. She sneezed it all over my face. She didn't eat her breakfast this morning, so she had a visit to TED this evening. She's had another long-acting antibiotic injection and an anabolic steriod one to "give her a boost" I asked TED (a partner, really experienced) if he was worried about her. He said "no, not all all, not when you remember how she nearly died from it 3 weeks ago, she's doing very well for her age." I said "but her fur looks awful and she is so frail." He said "it's purely cosmetic, she is fine." We went on to talk about my dogs, which he remembers very well, as he operated on some of them. He said "you do something right to get your dogs as far as 20 yo and your cat to 22, I wish I knew that secret." I like my vet. Tweed > She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from hospital, but > her streaming green nose stuff has never cleared up properly, although not [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Tweed This sounds to me like good news. You're obviously doing something right. Long may the feisty old girl continue. Purrs from the brood. John, servant to their Imperial SIamese Majesties, Rhia and Amy. On May 13, 2:02 pm, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from hospital, but > her streaming green nose stuff has never cleared up properly, although not [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Tweed This sure sounds like a herpes virus related upper respiratory infection. If you can get to a health food store, buy Lysine in *capsule* form (NOT pills-they taste icky) and mix 250-500 mg into some stinky wet food twice a day. It will help clear this up. From about.com: "Treatment of Herpes/calicivirus may include antibiotics to ward off secondary bacterial infections. Some veterinarians have found success with Interferon, which helps to boost the immune system. Positive results have also been found with the administration of l-lysine in a dosage of 250-500 mg/day. Special attention should be paid to nutrition with URI-infected cats. Because of nasal stuffiness, they may not be able to smell their food, and refuse to eat. Sometimes warming the food a bit will pep up the odor and entice the cat to eat. Dehydration can be a real problem, so moist foods may be best for the cat under treatment, as well as water given by eye-dropper, if necessary." > On May 13, 2:02 pm, "Christina Websell" > <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > This sure sounds like a herpes virus related upper respiratory > infection. I'm sure if KFC had a herpes-anything her vet would know about it. The cat is 22 years old, or didn't you catch that part? Jill > tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: > > On May 13, 2:02 pm, "Christina Websell" [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Jill- Yes I "caught" that part. I'm not sure why you want to be so snotty when I have done nothing but offer another option that might help KFC. Did you know herpes can be caught at a young age and stays in the body forever? Did you know stress or illness can cause an outbreak of it? Did you know that "old"age" and a slowed down/compromised immune system can create a situation where it can manifest? The fact is that there are many vets that don't know or put much stock in the benefit of herpes supplementation and don't bother to offer it as an option. The fact that this vet overlooked this doesn't surprise me in the least. At my clinic, every cat, young or old, that has signs of this is automatically put on Lysine and the benefits are overwhelmingly apparent. >> tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: >>> On May 13, 2:02 pm, "Christina Websell" [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Yes I "caught" that part. I'm not sure why you want to be so snotty > when I have done nothing but offer another option that might help KFC. Who's being snotty?! You tend to barge in here with your "I work for a vet" attitude without really knowing the players, at least that's what I've observed. (This isn't ACH+B, you know.) > Did you know herpes can be caught at a young age and stays in the body > forever? Herpes (at least in humans) is a form of the chicken pox virus and once you've had it you never get rid of it. The virus remains dormant in the spinal cord and most people never know it's there. Some people have occasional outbreaks of small red lesions along the nerve endings near the spine, generally brought on by excess stress. So yes, I know all about it. And I repeat: I'm sure KFC's vet would know if she'd had an outbreak of herpes-related anything. Jill > tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: > >> tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > attitude without really knowing the players, at least that's what I've > observed. (This isn't ACH+B, you know.) WTF is your problem? Yes, I work for a vet and mentioned that to qualify advice I give. And since I have been reading this group for years, I know much more than you think I do, including way too much info about you and your personal life. Just because I choose to mostly urk doesn't mean I don't know anything about anyone here. Assumptions (made by you) are not reality, Jill. > > Did you know herpes can be caught at a young age and stays in the body > > forever? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > occasional outbreaks of small red lesions along the nerve endings near the > spine, generally brought on by excess stress. So yes, I know all about it. Then you should know that Lysine is routinely recommended for human herpes sufferers. Again, you were snotty when all I did was try to help. If you have some sort of personal issue with me, then be a grown up and deal with me. Hijacking a discussion about an elderly, ill cat is not the way to do that. > And I repeat: I'm sure KFC's vet would know if she'd had an outbreak of > herpes-related anything. >> >> Jill- > Herpes (at least in humans) is a form of the chicken pox virus and once > you've had it you never get rid of it. This is not exactly accurate. Chicken pox is in the herpes family along with Herpes zoster(shingles.) Herpes simplex (genital and oral herpes) is different. >>>>> Jill- > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > along with Herpes zoster(shingles.) Herpes simplex (genital and oral > herpes) is different. I know the difference because I have outbreaks of herpes zoster. You come across as knowing more than anyone's vet. I'm not going to argue with you about this. You did this whole routine with Lori a few months ago and I just don't care to get involved in this useless crap. Jill >>>>>> Jill- >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jill He did it to me also a couple weeks ago about Rumble. He is knowledgeable, has a lot of information and obviously loves cats but needs to learn how to talk to people On May 13, 4:17 pm, "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > > tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: > >>>>>> Jill- [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Matthew, honestly, stop with the pity party and be a man. I offered you information pertinent to your cat's diabetes in order to help you avoid having him come out of remission. You got defensive. End of story. And here I am to help again anyway because I care about cats and know your finanicial situation is not great right now. You can save a lot of money and an unnecessary trip to the vet by hometesting your kitty's blood sugar by using a glucometer and doing an ear stick. We don't do curves at the clinic ever, and teach clients to test and do curves at home. Since he is in remission, there is absolutely no need to do a curve. Curves are used as a tool to see how a particular type of insulin will work with a cat and is absolutely unnecessary for a cat that is in remission and not receiving insulin. A simple spot check of your cat's blood sugar here and there will let you know how he's doing. You can buy meters and strips for cheap on Ebay or check on the messageboard at http://www.felinediabetes.com and ask which meters they like that are low cost and available at drugstores. I believe Walgreens has one that is pretty inexpensive and works well. As to vaccinations, the protocol is every 3 years. If you are doing yearly vaccines you are spending money unnecessairly and your cats can suffer potential health issues from overvaccination. You can go to these websites for current info on vaccine protocols and information on some of the problems associated with overvaccination: http://critteradvocacy.org/ http://www.whale.to/vaccine/driscoll1.html No lets do this Ok Lets start here fresh What is your name so I can talk to you like a real person. So I can address you like a man or a woman If you read what I am defensive over is not the information you are providing it is where you post like you know more than me and my vet. As I talked to my vet; a personal friend of 25 plus years. His words were are you going to trust a person that you have no idea who or what they are. Quoting information found on the internet or are you going to trust your eyes and the blood panels along with your own experience first. My vet and myself are absolutory right. He just retired. He was very knowledgeable and has done the world to help my cats. He has gone out of the way to do what he could. He is very knowledgeable and would never purpose risk health problems on a animal if he was not sure of something. If he did not know he called and or researched for the answer I think you are a very knowledgeable person about cats. You have a lot of information but the main problem is how you are coming across like you know more than me and should be in charge of my decisions. FYI I have over 30 plus years with cats ranging from disaster and rescue teams to personal and volunteer experience. I am a current Florida DART member- Disaster and Rescue team. I ran and supported a shelter not to long ago. I thank you for your concern. I truly appreciate it all the information but my only problem is how you are coming off. It is like you are shoving it down our throats and talking down to us. Step back and look at it from our points. If you read my other post in the past to you I said welcome to the group just calm down and get off your virtual high horse. FYI ok my finances are ok before this starts again. I can afford to do what ever it takes to take care of the furballs. I live on a budget so I can live the rest of years out without worrying about debt but I will go in to debut to do what ever it takes to care for them I was debating on where to stress all the cats out at one time to save over 200 dollars on the vaccinations. That was it the OP took it father but that is over. Rumble ears don't have enough accessible veins to do the monitoring of the blood sugar daily but he has to go in to make sure the diet is controlling the diabetes. Plus Rumble is a epileptic cat that was on diazepam since he was allergic to Phenobarbital. See this is what I was talking about you don't have full knowledge of my animals or my and my vet's experience. This is where I firmly believe you are wrong a simple spot checking now and than for a diabetic, epileptic cat is wrong nothing less than every 6 months IMO a diabetic, epileptic cat should have a full work up and my vet felt the same way. Always better safe than sorry I am diabetic my self and have the equipment already and can get it for free from my medical insurance. I know about the protocol of every three years it is time for all of them to have it Lets start over now try and see it from my point. You will make a great addition to the group just calm down when dealing with people. There are so many people out here that know more than you think. I have the www just like you and when I came to this group people pointed me in the right direction when dealing with diabetes. I took all my information that I learned and while at he vet I knew what to ask and what to do. So you are not dealing with a newbie that is another point I am trying to get across There is an old saying that I live by words are just words they have no meaning without a voice behind them On May 13, 4:17 pm, "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> wrote: > "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Matthew, honestly, stop with the pity party and be a man. I offered you information pertinent to your cat's diabetes in order to help you avoid having him come out of remission. You got defensive. End of story. And here I am to help again anyway because I care about cats and know your finanicial situation is not great right now. You can save a lot of money and an unnecessary trip to the vet by hometesting your kitty's blood sugar by using a glucometer and doing an ear stick. We don't do curves at the clinic ever, and teach clients to test and do curves at home. Since he is in remission, there is absolutely no need to do a curve. Curves are used as a tool to see how a particular type of insulin will work with a cat and is absolutely unnecessary for a cat that is in remission and not receiving insulin. A simple spot check of your cat's blood sugar here and there will let you know how he's doing. You can buy meters and strips for cheap on Ebay or check on the messageboard at http://www.felinediabetes.com and ask which meters they like that are low cost and available at drugstores. I believe Walgreens has one that is pretty inexpensive and works well. As to vaccinations, the protocol is every 3 years. If you are doing yearly vaccines you are spending money unnecessairly and your cats can suffer potential health issues from overvaccination. You can go to these websites for current info on vaccine protocols and information on some of the problems associated with overvaccination: http://critteradvocacy.org/ http://www.whale.to/vaccine/driscoll1.html > tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: > >>>>> Jill- [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I know the difference because I have outbreaks of herpes zoster. You come > across as knowing more than anyone's vet. If I come across that way it's no fault of my own and is *your* perception and *your* problem. I write what I do based on experience, and am direct and no-nonsense. You and a few others need to put emotion aside and do a reality check. The written word is often construed many different ways, and it should be a concern to yourself and a few others that you more often than not take offense at direct responses and choose to perceive them as negative and make false accusations when there is nothing involved other than being direct and no-nonsense. I don't sugarcoat, and try to back what I say with details/cites as often as I can. My main interest is using my experience to help people here when their cat(s) has a health issue. If you don't like it, please, killfile me. >I'm not going to argue with you > about this. You did this whole routine with Lori a few months ago and I > just don't care to get involved in this useless crap. Yet here you are, doing just that. > Jill >>> tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: >>>> On May 13, 2:02 pm, "Christina Websell" [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > And I repeat: I'm sure KFC's vet would know if she'd had an outbreak of > herpes-related anything. There was no suggestion that KFC had a herpes-related condition but I suppose it's possible as she was feral for so many years. I don't think so myself and my vet hasn't mentioned it as a possibility. Please do not start a war about what or not she has, anyone. I'm just wanting her to be well atm. She is a very very old cat. Her immune system is not what it was. She does not have herpes, FIV or anything else. She is OLD and gets ill. She has kidney failure, is all. Plus she is 22 and hands up those who have a 22 year old cat. it doesn't matter at her stage of life what the issue, that is what the vet is for... you are doing the right thing and caring for her, thank you again for the update, Lee > >>> tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: > >>>> On May 13, 2:02 pm, "Christina Websell" [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > kidney failure, is all. Plus she is 22 and hands up those who have a 22 year > old cat. On May 13, 3:05 pm, "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: > > On May 13, 2:02 pm, "Christina Websell" [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Jill- Yes I "caught" that part. I'm not sure why you want to be so snotty when I have done nothing but offer another option that might help KFC. Did you know herpes can be caught at a young age and stays in the body forever? Did you know stress or illness can cause an outbreak of it? Did you know that "old"age" and a slowed down/compromised immune system can create a situation where it can manifest? The fact is that there are many vets that don't know or put much stock in the benefit of herpes supplementation and don't bother to offer it as an option. The fact that this vet overlooked this doesn't surprise me in the least. At my clinic, every cat, young or old, that has signs of this is automatically put on Lysine and the benefits are overwhelmingly apparent. ********************************** Uh, probably you don't intend to come across the way you do 'trips' but... When you claim to be superior to 'many vets' who don't recognize or have the sense to treat herpes, and further claim that your clinic treats darn near every cat for herpes Well, that does come across as being a know it all, with nothing to back it up. KFC would appear to have a worthy and knowledgeable vet, and I know she has a most qualified slave. Jo > When you claim to be superior to 'many vets' who don't recognize or have > the sense to treat herpes, and further claim that your clinic treats darn > near every cat for herpes I have done no such thing. Show me the exact quote where I claimed to be superior to many vets. It doesn't exist. I simply spoke the truth based on my experience, especially with clients who are referred to us when their previous vets fail them. You know, for people who pat themselves on the back for supposedly promoting an atmosphere of kindness and tolerance, a lot of you are pretty nasty and intolerant (unless of course someone is a part of your clique.) Now, do you have any advice to help KFC or are you going to stay riding the "bash the outsider" bandwagon? >> When you claim to be superior to 'many vets' who don't recognize or >> have the sense to treat herpes, and further claim that your clinic [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Now, do you have any advice to help KFC or are you going to stay > riding the "bash the outsider" bandwagon? Show us where Tweed asked for help. Jill <--must be part of the clique :) > tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Show us where Tweed asked for help. Is that the rule Jill? That one must ask for help in order to receive it? Then I guess a mute that is drowning will be a dead mute if you are their only hope. On May 13, 4:41 pm, "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: > > On May 13, 3:51 pm, "Jo Firey" <jofi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Show us where Tweed asked for help. Is that the rule Jill? That one must ask for help in order to receive it? Then I guess a mute that is drowning will be a dead mute if you are their only hope. ----------- Let's calm this down. I am always happy to receive advice about my cats as I admit my expertise is with dogs. I will listen to it and take it on board. However, this is the UK and things may be different than in the USA. My vet is very experienced, and if KFC's latest long-acting actibiotic injection does not help, she will go back and no doubt he will be considering other options. He is fully aware of her status as an ex-feral. Maybe herpes will be in his mind already but he won't say it until the antibiotics don't do it this time, so as not to worry me unnecessarily. Herpes will not be something I need to remind him of in case he forgot to consider it. I trust him with KFC's treatment. He saved the lives of several of my dogs - knew immediately what was wrong with Pearl when she collapsed suddenly (ruptured spleen due to a tumour) but confirmed it by ultrascan before he operated. Oh, btw, she's eating again already ;-)) Tweed On May 14, 5:51 pm, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > <tripsoverc...@msn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Oh, btw, she's eating again already ;-)) Now _somebody_ ought to fetch her a nice, fresh dove. :-') But, seriously, this sounds good. -- Will in New Haven > On May 13, 4:41 pm, "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> tripsoverc...@msn.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Tweed YAY! HaPpY dAnCiNg for the grand old dame (and you)! Hugs, CatNipped "CatNipped" >> Oh, btw, she's eating again already ;-)) >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > CatNipped That is SUCH good news Christina<G> That made my day:) Thanks for telling us HUGs from me Mosey sends healing PURRS for her to keep feeling better. Kyla > "CatNipped" >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Mosey sends healing PURRS for her to keep feeling better. > Kyla Thanks, both of you. I will see how she goes along. Her injections will last for two weeks. I'm so glad they realised how unrealistic it was to pill her ;-) My main aim is to get her eating, which she is again, but it would be nice if the mucous could be cleared up too. I got another faceful tonight twice and she is suffering a bit of social isolation in a way as I won't have her back on my chest in the evening now until it's cured. I love her to bits but I'm afraid I draw the line at green snot in the face x 3. She has the hump now. We have a very annoyed meatloafing kitty on the settee. She thinks I don't want her :-(( Tweed > I will see how she goes along. Her injections will last for two weeks. I'm > so glad they realised how unrealistic it was to pill her ;-) She's getting antibiotic injections? > My main aim is to get her eating, which she is again, but it would be nice > if the mucous could be cleared up too. I got another faceful tonight twice > and she is suffering a bit of social isolation in a way as I won't have her > back on my chest in the evening now until it's cured. I can understand that! I guess you don't get much warning when she's about to sneeze? I can usually (not always, but mostly) tell when Roxy's about to sneeze so I can turn my face away or cover it or something. > She has the hump now. We have a very annoyed meatloafing kitty on the > settee. She thinks I don't want her :-(( Awww, she might just be annoyed at being poked at. I think after all the years she's been your cat, she knows you want her. What is the hump from? Are you giving her fluids?  SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > > I will see how she goes along. Her injections will last for two weeks. > > I'm > > so glad they realised how unrealistic it was to pill her ;-) > > She's getting antibiotic injections? Yes, didn't I say? I thought I did. > > My main aim is to get her eating, which she is again, but it would be > > nice [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Awww, she might just be annoyed at being poked at. I think after all the > years she's been your cat, she knows you want her. What is the hump from? Because I put her off my chest on to the floor when she filled my face with greenies twice tonight. I'm tolerant, but not that tolerant. > Are you giving her fluids? No. She doesn't need them atm and I suspect it's illegal here if it's not done by a vet. Tweed > <bastXXXette@sonic.net> wrote in message >> She's getting antibiotic injections? > Yes, didn't I say? I thought I did. You very well might have said. But either I didn't see your post about that, or (more likely), my attention wasn't that great and I didn't retain the relevant information. >> What is the hump from? > Because I put her off my chest on to the floor when she filled my face with > greenies twice tonight. I'm tolerant, but not that tolerant. Hmm... guess I don't know what a "hump" is, then. Whenever I've given a cat subq fluids, they do get a little hump in the spot where the needle was inserted, which is full of water (it goes down in 15-20 minutes or so). So that's what I thought you meant. I guess you meant something like she's sulking because you won't let her hang out on your chest? Just never heard that called a "hump" before - maybe it's a UK thing? SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > Hmm... guess I don't know what a "hump" is, then. Whenever I've given a cat > subq fluids, they do get a little hump in the spot where the needle was > inserted, which is full of water (it goes down in 15-20 minutes or so). So > that's what I thought you meant. I guess you meant something like she's > sulking because you won't let her hang out on your chest? Just never heard > that called a "hump" before - maybe it's a UK thing? Yes, being in a hump means sulking. SignatureMarina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki. Think the "hump" is a fit, or a tizzy or being hissed off because something did not go the cats way. Just a guess. > > <bastXXXette@sonic.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > sulking because you won't let her hang out on your chest? Just never heard > that called a "hump" before - maybe it's a UK thing? > Thanks, both of you. > I will see how she goes along. Her injections will last for two weeks. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tweed I'm guessing within 48 hours you will have a towel or something in your lap along with a contented KFC. The small thin blankets they use for babies would be perfect. They all them receiving blankets here, don't know what they would be called there. Or maybe pick up a pack of wet-wipes so you can clean up and sanitize easily next time you are targeted. Jo On May 13, 3:51 pm, "Jo Firey" <jofi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > When you claim to be superior to 'many vets' who don't recognize or have > the sense to treat herpes, and further claim that your clinic treats darn > near every cat for herpes I have done no such thing. Show me the exact quote where I claimed to be superior to many vets. It doesn't exist. I simply spoke the truth based on my experience, especially with clients who are referred to us when their previous vets fail them. You know, for people who pat themselves on the back for supposedly promoting an atmosphere of kindness and tolerance, a lot of you are pretty nasty and intolerant (unless of course someone is a part of your clique.) Now, do you have any advice to help KFC or are you going to stay riding the "bash the outsider" bandwagon? ********************* KFC and Tweed do not need my advice or help. They do, as always have our purrs and prayers and concern and for that matter love. Jo > Uh, probably you don't intend to come across the way you do 'trips' but... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Well, that does come across as being a know it all, with nothing > to back it up. I didn't read "I'm superior to many vets" in tripsovercats' post. I have a cat with the herpes virus, and I have run across several vets who don't think of looking for it. I even had a veterinary opthalmologist claim that Roxy didn't have herpes, when she developed a severe eye infection last year. (Feline herpes tends to affect the eyes more than any other organ.) At my insistence, he gave her a drug that would work *only* if the eye infection was caused by the herpes virus, and within a couple of weeks, her eye looked completely normal. (I never got a picture of her when the infection was at its worst, but it was *bad*.) I don't consider myself to be more knowledgeable than "most vets", but that doesn't mean vets are infallible. The best doctors take their patients' information seriously, and work *with* them to find a diagnosis. KFC's vet might well do that already, but it was just a suggestion, in case that possibility hadn't been considered. All that said, I wouldn't expect herpes to be the cause of KFC's nasal infection, given my own experience with it. If she's had the virus all these years, Christina most likely would have noticed various problems. Roxy's herpes is pretty mild compared to some cats (her recent eye infection notwithstanding), and yet she has usually had a runny or stuffed-up nose, and sneezed a fair amount.* So anyway, herpes is not what would have occurred to me, but then I'm not a vet, so I guess it's worth checking out. SignatureJoyce *PS - BTW, ever since I put the cats on Wellness canned food, Roxy doesn't have such a runny nose anymore, and she doesn't sneeze nearly as often. To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ On May 13, 2:02 pm, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from hospital, > but [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Tweed This sure sounds like a herpes virus related upper respiratory infection. If you can get to a health food store, buy Lysine in *capsule* form (NOT pills-they taste icky) and mix 250-500 mg into some stinky wet food twice a day. It will help clear this up. From about.com: "Treatment of Herpes/calicivirus may include antibiotics to ward off secondary bacterial infections. Some veterinarians have found success with Interferon, which helps to boost the immune system. Positive results have also been found with the administration of l-lysine in a dosage of 250-500 mg/day. Special attention should be paid to nutrition with URI-infected cats. Because of nasal stuffiness, they may not be able to smell their food, and refuse to eat. Sometimes warming the food a bit will pep up the odor and entice the cat to eat. Dehydration can be a real problem, so moist foods may be best for the cat under treatment, as well as water given by eye-dropper, if necessary." Thanks so much for this advice, I will ask my vet if there is a chance she got herpes somehow. But wouldn't it have showed up earlier and not waited until she was 22? My feeling is that she is so old that her immune system is not working properly, cats are not designed to live this long. Anyway my vet saw her tonight has it all in hand and he thinks she is amazing and we can keep her going for a while yet. Tweed Tweed On May 13, 3:16 pm, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > <tripsoverc...@msn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > got herpes somehow. But wouldn't it have showed up earlier and not waited > until she was 22? If she ever had an upper respiratory infection during her lifetime she probably has the herpes virus. Being outside and exposed to other cats creates an environment where transmission is common. It's a crapshoot as to which cats will be affected more than others, athough a compromised immune system will or can cause it to rear it's ugly head. Herpes will hibernate in the body and never leave. Some cats will have one infection and never have another, some may have chronic issues, some may have an occasional outbreak. Stress and illness are the two main causes for an outbreak. > My feeling is that she is so old that her immune system is not working > properly, cats are not designed to live this long. You're right on track and this would definitely be a reason why she is having an issue. This is where Lysine would be helpful. It stops the virus from replicating and minimizes then diminishes the symptoms, usually causing them to go away completely. Remember that, even though KFC received an antibiotic, that is for secondary issues and does nothing for viruses. Lysine is inexpensive, non-toxic, and easy to obtain. It certainly won't hurt, and her age, it sounds like KFC can use some extra help. > Anyway my vet saw her tonight has it all in hand and he thinks she is > amazing and we can keep her going for a while yet. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On May 13, 3:16 pm, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > <tripsoverc...@msn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > got herpes somehow. But wouldn't it have showed up earlier and not waited > until she was 22? If she ever had an upper respiratory infection during her lifetimeshe probably has the herpes virus. Being outside and exposed to other cats creates an environment where transmission is common. It's a crapshoot as to which cats will be affected more than others, athough a compromised immune system will or can cause it to rear it's ugly head. Herpes will hibernate in the body and never leave. Some cats will have one infection and never have another, some may have chronic issues, some may have an occasional outbreak. Stress and illness are the two main causes for an outbreak. > My feeling is that she is so old that her immune system is not working > properly, cats are not designed to live this long. You're right on track and this would definitely be a reason why she is having an issue. This is where Lysine would be helpful. It stops the virus from replicating and minimizes then diminishes the symptoms, usually causing them to go away completely. Remember that, even though KFC received an antibiotic, that is for secondary issues and does nothing for viruses. Lysine is inexpensive, non-toxic, and easy to obtain. It certainly won't hurt, and her age, it sounds like KFC can use some extra help. If she doesn't improve, I will ask my vet about whether Lysine can help. Thanks for bringing it to my attention Tweed >> My feeling is that she is so old that her immune system is not working >> properly, cats are not designed to live this long. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Tweed Tweed, I've read that "most" cats are infected with rhinotracheitis (herpes), but healthy adult cats can be carriers without ever showing signs of the virus. Sammy never showed signs of the virus, but Demi and Jessie would sometimes get "grunge" in their eyes - not very bad, just like the "sleep" humans get in the inside corners of their eyes. However, when we adopted the boys as 10-week-old kittens they had very bad cases and had discharge of the nose and eyes as well has sneezing. I started using the L-Lysine on the advice of my vet and it stopped the outbreak of symptoms on all of my clowder (he also gave me antibiotics for the boys, but stressed that this would only take care of any "secondary" conditions they had). The L-Lysine took about 2 weeks to work, but after that they never had another outbreak. L-Lysine is sold over-the-counter here as a "food supplement" (I believe it's an amino acid). Here is something I found on the 'net that explains how L-Lysine prevents herpes outbreaks in cats: "Herpesviruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an amino acid called "arginine." Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce. The amino acid "lysine" is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine. We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule. One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative "propylene glycol" as cats can have blood teactions against this compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to determine if supplementation has been helpful." I give my cats 1/2 a 500mg tablet crushed up in their canned food twice a day. L-Lysine, as long as it doesn't contain propylene glycol, will do absolutely no harm to even an elderly cat, and could possibly get rid of her symptoms and make her more comfortable and cause less stress on her system. You might want to ask your friend N about it for more information about it since this is in her area of expertise. Hugs, CatNipped > She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from > hospital, but her streaming green nose stuff has never cleared up [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Tweed As a long time sufferer of upper respiratory allergies I really sympathies with KFCs current condition. I once had to give Zak nose drops but I can't say if any of it made it into his nose. PUUUUURS sent for KFC to feel better soon Hug Kyla and Mosey "outsider" <... > "Christina Websell" > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >> Tweed > As a long time sufferer of upper respiratory allergies I really > sympathies with KFCs current condition. I once had to give Zak nose > drops but I can't say if any of it made it into his nose. > She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from hospital, > but her streaming green nose stuff has never cleared up properly, although [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Tweed I'm so glad to hear that - you definitely are doing something right. Hugs, CatNipped > She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from > hospital, but her streaming green nose stuff has never cleared up [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Tweed Excellent news! Purrs revved up for KFC to feel much better. Jill On May 13, 3:02 pm, "Christina Websell" <spamf...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: > She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from hospital, but > her streaming green nose stuff has never cleared up properly, although not [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > operated on some of them. He said "you do something right to get your dogs > as far as 20 yo and your cat to 22, I wish I knew that secret." All of KFC's admirers here in Branford, CT. are pleased to hear this. Keep us informed. -- Will in New Haven > She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from > hospital, but her streaming green nose stuff has never cleared up [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Tweed I think that GW should have been a BW. ;-) Continuing purrs for KFC, I'm sending her a virtual collared dove. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >> secret." >> I like my vet. >> >> Tweed > > I think that GW should have been a BW. ;-) Yeah, it was one of those that could go either way. > I think that GW should have been a BW. ;-) Continuing purrs for KFC, I'm > sending her a virtual collared dove. Okay, I have been a long-time contributor, but I admit that I often don't recognize acronyms that are used on this NG (that's one I *do* recognize). So, what are GW and BW? MaryL >> I think that GW should have been a BW. ;-) Continuing purrs for KFC, I'm >> sending her a virtual collared dove. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > MaryL http://www.acronymfinder.com/ Good Will Best Wishes >>> I think that GW should have been a BW. ;-) Continuing purrs for KFC, I'm >>> sending her a virtual collared dove. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Good Will > Best Wishes Okay, thanks. All I could guess was that "W" meant "Warning"...which means that I was *way* off with my guesses. MaryL >>> I think that GW should have been a BW. ;-) Continuing purrs for KFC, I'm >>> sending her a virtual collared dove. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Good Will > Best Wishes that was just a guess not sure could mean other things just as gross warning or beverage warning "Matthew" > > "Matthew" >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>>> I think that GW should have been a BW. ;-) Continuing purrs for KFC, >>>> I'm sending her a virtual collared dove. Awwww, that's sweet:) Purrs coming from Kyla and Mosey for KFC >>> Okay, I have been a long-time contributor, but I admit that I often >>> don't recognize acronyms that are used on this NG (that's one I *do* [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> Good Will >> Best Wishes > that was just a guess not sure could mean other things just as gross > warning or beverage warning That's what I thought too. >>> I think that GW should have been a BW. ;-) Continuing purrs for >>> KFC, I'm sending her a virtual collared dove. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Good Will > Best Wishes That BW was "Beverage Warning" Jill "Matthew" ... > "MaryL" >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Good Will > Best Wishes Thanks for the link MaryL Hug Kyla > "Matthew" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Hug > Kyla That actually was me that posted it ;-) >> "Matthew" ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > That actually was me that posted it ;-) Yes, and I appreciate it. Thanks. MaryL >>> "Matthew" ... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > MaryL You are very welcome "Matthew" > "MaryL" >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> > You are very welcome And Kyla feels like an idiot ;) Hugs "Matthew" < > "Kyla =^. .^=" <... >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > That actually was me that posted it ;-) OOPS, sorry. DUH Hug? Kyla >> I think that GW should have been a BW. ;-) Continuing purrs for KFC, I'm >> sending her a virtual collared dove. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > MaryL BW is the old standby beverage warning. A warning to put down your coffee or other beverage before opening the post or risk needing a new keyboard. It is considered redundant if your name is Dave. GW is the somewhat newer gross warning. Something you may not wish to read as it may be to bit much for some sensibilities. It is more often used when animal abuse or other discomfort are being mentioned. But then again there is gross and there is gross. A hard word to define. Jo > GW is the somewhat newer gross warning. Something you may not wish to read > as it may be to bit much for some sensibilities. > It is more often used when animal abuse or other discomfort are being > mentioned. But then again there is gross and there is gross. A hard word > to define. I would use the "grossness warning" when discussing something, well, gross, such as blood, bad injuries, or body fluids that belong *inside* the body rather than outside. Tweed having green kitty snot sneezed on her qualifies for this. :) I'd be more likely to use "TW" for an animal abuse story. That stands for "tissue warning". True, many animal abuse stories are gross, but for me, sadness is the dominant emotion. SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ >> I think that GW should have been a BW. ;-) Continuing purrs for KFC, >> I'm sending her a virtual collared dove. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > MaryL GW - gross warning, BW - beverage warning, meaning swallow the drink before reading. <G> >>> I think that GW should have been a BW. ;-) Continuing purrs for KFC, I'm >>> sending her a virtual collared dove. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > GW - gross warning, BW - beverage warning, meaning swallow the drink > before reading. <G> So now I have *two* definitions -- one from you and one from Matthew's. Actually, yours is closer to what I was guessing than Matthews. I wait to hear from Adrain, who was the author of the message in question. ;>) MaryL still sending purrs > She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from hospital, > but her streaming green nose stuff has never cleared up properly, although [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Tweed > She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from hospital, > but her streaming green nose stuff has never cleared up properly, although [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Tweed We are purring for your tiny Iron Lady. SignatureTheresa, Stinky and Dante drtmuirATearthlink.net Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh thank you for that update, has KFC forgiven you for the trip yet? Lee > She's been doing well, appetite wise, since she was home from hospital, but > her streaming green nose stuff has never cleared up properly, although not [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Tweed
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