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Pat - 10 May 2008 00:24 GMT
We're just back from the (other) vet. Stopped in a nice park en route to let
Aby have a pee. (He also peed on the floor in the vet office, and on one of
my t-shirts this morning. So his bladder is right as rain!)

This time he had a slightly elevated temp. of 103 and some liquid was
draining from his left ear. Doctor gave shot of cephalexin and sent me along
with a supply of capsules. She said he will improve very slowly.

He was navigating a bit better in the park and seemed to enjoy being out in
"the wild" again. He stuck his front paws in a babbling brook. He responded
to being petted by arching his back up into my hand. He had his tail
standing straight up, and he head-butted me once or twice, lightly. He
talked a lot more than usual, and the third eyelid is starting to go back
where it belongs.

Hard to understand how Dr. Johnson missed the ear thing yesterday.... but
maybe he didn't
:(
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 10 May 2008 00:30 GMT
> We're just back from the (other) vet. Stopped in a nice park en route to let
> Aby have a pee. (He also peed on the floor in the vet office, and on one of
> my t-shirts this morning. So his bladder is right as rain!)

> This time he had a slightly elevated temp. of 103 and some liquid was
> draining from his left ear. Doctor gave shot of cephalexin and sent me along
> with a supply of capsules. She said he will improve very slowly.

> He was navigating a bit better in the park and seemed to enjoy being out in
> "the wild" again. He stuck his front paws in a babbling brook. He responded
> to being petted by arching his back up into my hand. He had his tail
> standing straight up, and he head-butted me once or twice, lightly. He
> talked a lot more than usual, and the third eyelid is starting to go back
> where it belongs.

> Hard to understand how Dr. Johnson missed the ear thing yesterday.... but
> maybe he didn't
> :(

So this vet thinks his problems are caused by an ear infection? I guess
if that's the case, then his disorientation and inability to stand or
walk straight would make sense - I'll bet his sense of balance is off.

Do you really think Dr Johnson misdiagnosed him on purpose? That would
be criminal. (Literally.) More likely he missed it because he had other
theories and that wasn't one of them.

I'm glad that you found out what's wrong with him and that there's a
fairly easy treatment. Compared to all the dire things it could've been,
I guess an ear infection isn't so bad!

Purrs for him to feel better soon. Antibiotics often work fast in these
cases. At least they usually do for me.

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Pat - 10 May 2008 00:46 GMT
| Do you really think Dr Johnson misdiagnosed him on purpose? That would
| be criminal. (Literally.) More likely he missed it because he had other
| theories and that wasn't one of them.

Well, he spent a very long time looking deep inside both ears with an
otoscope yesterday, that's why I wonder about it.
Daniel Mahoney - 10 May 2008 15:25 GMT
> | Do you really think Dr Johnson misdiagnosed him on purpose? That would
> | be criminal. (Literally.) More likely he missed it because he had other
> | theories and that wasn't one of them.
>
> Well, he spent a very long time looking deep inside both ears with an
> otoscope yesterday, that's why I wonder about it.

It is surprising that he missed it, but I am so relieved that the 2nd
vet found the ear infection. I wouldn't have figured an ear infection as
a possible root cause but I guess it makes sense.

I've had Abelard on my mind all day, and am much relieved now.
Christina Websell - 10 May 2008 01:06 GMT
> > We're just back from the (other) vet. Stopped in a nice park en route to
> > let
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> if that's the case, then his disorientation and inability to stand or
> walk straight would make sense - I'll bet his sense of balance is off.

I just sent a post about vestibular syndrome before I saw this - but a
simple (!) ear infection could also knock him off his feet.  VS  is also to
do with the ears but is more serious, their balance is shot either way.

> Do you really think Dr Johnson misdiagnosed him on purpose?

No vet would do that here - they'd be struck off.

Tweed
Granby - 10 May 2008 01:13 GMT
As a cat owner, as a person being owned by a cat, I have the least
experience of any of you.  However, trying to think like the vet.  A person
very concerned comes into my office with the details you provided us, about
the fluid he might have ingested, the cats actions before arriving and the
office, the criminal thing could have been not to have treated for possible
poisoning.  To delay for further testing cold have cost the cat it's life.
Having never seen the cat before, seems to me the vet did as he should have.
The infection had no part in this trip only the concern by the owner that
something terrible and life threatening had happened.

I am sorry, but relieved that it may be an ear infection and that should be
curable.  What I am trying to say, and not very well is not to cremate the
vet for acting on the information given him at the time on an animal he had
no prior knowledge of.

> > We're just back from the (other) vet. Stopped in a nice park en route to
> > let
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> Purrs for him to feel better soon. Antibiotics often work fast in these
> cases. At least they usually do for me.
Pat - 10 May 2008 02:09 GMT
|  What I am trying to say, and not very well is not to cremate the
| vet for acting on the information given him at the time on an animal
| he had no prior knowledge of.

Oh, but he has known this cat since his birth, because he's the vet used by
the lady who gave him to me. He neutered Abelard and did some extra surgery
on his left eye at the same time. The eye had the inner eyelid completely
covering it up before the surgery, and afterward the eye was much closer to
normal looking (although still blind). He has treated this cat several other
times over the years as well.

But it's not so much that he missed the ear thing - although he did spend a
lot of time examining his ears yesterday and even questioned me about them.
What really made me mad was his whole attitude and treatment of me. The
receptionist was just as bad, maybe worse.

I was quite nervous and scared when I first brought the cat in, and my mouth
had gone completely dry. I asked if I could get some water and they refused
to even let me use the restroom! And when we left the exam room to go back
to the treatment area, the doc hands me a bottle of disinfectant spray and
some towels and tells me to clean the chair I was sitting in... like he
thought I had cooties on my slacks or something!?!

And I asked to use the phone there to see if I could reach the roto-rooter
guy (a local call) to ask the name of the cleaning product he told me to
get, because I had forgotten it, and they refused to let me use a phone,
said "use your cell" twice after I told them I don't have one. I had to go
out and find another phone to use. When I came back I had the name of the
product and wanted to call poison control - a toll-free call - and they
wouldn't let me. They also wouldn't let me call the local hardware store to
ask them what the caution label says on the product.

There were more little jabs than I have time to recount.  Suffice it to say
they were just unbelievably rude to me.
Granby - 10 May 2008 02:20 GMT
Somehow I seemed to have missed a lot.  Best of luck to you and your cat.

> |  What I am trying to say, and not very well is not to cremate the
> | vet for acting on the information given him at the time on an animal
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> say
> they were just unbelievably rude to me.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 10 May 2008 02:57 GMT
> I was quite nervous and scared when I first brought the cat in, and my mouth
> had gone completely dry. I asked if I could get some water and they refused
> to even let me use the restroom! And when we left the exam room to go back
> to the treatment area, the doc hands me a bottle of disinfectant spray and
> some towels and tells me to clean the chair I was sitting in... like he
> thought I had cooties on my slacks or something!?!

> And I asked to use the phone there to see if I could reach the roto-rooter
> guy (a local call) to ask the name of the cleaning product he told me to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> wouldn't let me. They also wouldn't let me call the local hardware store to
> ask them what the caution label says on the product.

> There were more little jabs than I have time to recount.  Suffice it to say
> they were just unbelievably rude to me.

This is beyond rude - they sound like wackos. I can't even begin to
theorize about why they would act so horribly.

I'm really glad you found another vet!

Purring away for the beautiful Aby-boy.

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Pat - 10 May 2008 03:05 GMT
| This is beyond rude - they sound like wackos. I can't even begin to
| theorize about why they would act so horribly.

Same here. It's so weird, you couldn't make it up, either.

| I'm really glad you found another vet!
|
| Purring away for the beautiful Aby-boy.

He's the one who immediately appears on my pillow when I get into bed at
night and asks me to lift up the covers so he can crawl in and spend the
whole night curled against my belly.
Nanny - 10 May 2008 08:34 GMT
Good to hear he's doing better. Now that first vet should go see a doctor
for himself.....

Nanny

> | This is beyond rude - they sound like wackos. I can't even begin to
> | theorize about why they would act so horribly.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> night and asks me to lift up the covers so he can crawl in and spend the
> whole night curled against my belly.
Kyla  =^. .^= - 10 May 2008 00:33 GMT
"Pat" ...
> We're just back from the (other) vet. Stopped in a nice park en route to
> let
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> talked a lot more than usual, and the third eyelid is starting to go back
> where it belongs.

That is such good news, it just made my day....

> Hard to understand how Dr. Johnson missed the ear thing yesterday.... but
> maybe he didn't
> :(

Hmmmm
At least Abelard seems to be doing better.
And that's what really matters, isn't it?
Hug & PUUUUURS that he continues to improve.
Kyla
Shiral - 10 May 2008 06:14 GMT
> "Pat" ...
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

I hope Abelard will soon be back to normal! Purring hard for him! The
signs seem hopeful at this point. I'd say start taking Abelard to the
new vet for his regular health needs. I hope the first vet  WAS
operating on the assumption that Abelard swallowed something poisonous
and time was of the essence  if he was to be saved, which I might
think forgiveable where a deliberate mis-diagnosis wouldn't be. The
rudeness and unhelpfulness  was definitely not forgivable. I suppose
it might be helpful to think "What would have happened if the first
vet had treated Abelard for an ear infection when he actually HAD
lapped up something deadly?"

Since I have two under the cover burrowing cats myself, I understand
that feature of Abelard's lovability although I've never met him
personally.

Melissa
Kreisleriana - 10 May 2008 00:36 GMT
> We're just back from the (other) vet. Stopped in a nice park en route to
> let
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> maybe he didn't
> :(

So glad to hear the promising news, but keeping up the mega-purrs.

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Joy - 10 May 2008 00:52 GMT
> We're just back from the (other) vet. Stopped in a nice park en route to
> let
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> maybe he didn't
> :(

That's wonderful news!  I'm so glad he's doing better!

I've noticed that people doctors have their blind spots, and vets probably
do too.  I've had doctors completely ignore one possibility because they
were so sure it was something else.  It isn't deliberate, but the results
are the same.  I'm glad you got a correct diagnosis and treatment.

Joy
kilikini - 10 May 2008 01:00 GMT
> We're just back from the (other) vet. Stopped in a nice park en route
> to let Aby have a pee. (He also peed on the floor in the vet office,
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> but maybe he didn't
> :(

Well, this is a start!  Here's hoping that Abelard will recover as best he
can.  What did this Doctor surmise the condition was?  Was it a stroke?

kili
Pat - 10 May 2008 01:19 GMT
| What did this Doctor surmise the condition was?  Was it a stroke?

She seems to think the ear infection could have done it all. Swelling puts
pressure on some nerve and causes the twitchiness, apparently.
MaryL - 10 May 2008 16:11 GMT
> | What did this Doctor surmise the condition was?  Was it a stroke?
>
> She seems to think the ear infection could have done it all. Swelling puts
> pressure on some nerve and causes the twitchiness, apparently.

I had several inner ear infections several years ago (talking about
*myself,* not my cats).  The first one got fairly bad before I went to a
doctor.  After that, I recognized the symptoms quickly and never let it get
so bad.  I never had "twitchiness," but I completely lost my sense of
balance.  I could not walk a straight line.  In fact, I could not walk *at
all* without leaning on furniture or someone's arm, and I would stumble into
a wall if I let go of arm support.  It was all solved quickly with some
pills the doctor prescribed.  I was vomiting, had tinnitus, and had a bad
headache.  (I was a counselor at a summer camp in a remote location at the
time, which helps to explain why I waited so long to go to a doctor.)  If I
remember correctly, the doctor also had me drop just a *little* rubbing
alcohol in the ear.  You might want to ask your vet about this.

I found this site that discusses inner infection in cats:
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1&cat=1336&articleid=1564

MaryL
Sherry - 10 May 2008 16:54 GMT
On May 10, 10:11 am, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
wrote:

> > | What did this Doctor surmise the condition was?  Was it a stroke?
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> MaryL

Oooo.....sounds like "swimmers ear". My son was so susceptible to
that, the doc asked me to either put
a drop of alchol in his ear after swimming, or to dry his ear out with
a blow dryer after baths. It
is *awful*!! I used to feel so sorry for him.
RE: Cats & ears: Bootie has polyps in her ears which the vet is
leaving alone. But he checks her every time she goes.
She is prone to yeast infections in her ears. (I don't think this has
anything to do with the polyps).
He puts the otoscope in her ear, and her ear insides show up on a 20"
flat screen monitor!! So amazing. Ear mites
look like wicked creatures.

Sherry
MaryL - 10 May 2008 18:01 GMT
On May 10, 10:11 am, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER>
wrote:
> "Pat" <just_a_ghost@in_this_house.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> MaryL

Oooo.....sounds like "swimmers ear". My son was so susceptible to
that, the doc asked me to either put
a drop of alchol in his ear after swimming, or to dry his ear out with
a blow dryer after baths. It
is *awful*!! I used to feel so sorry for him.

Yes, in my case it was "swimmer's ear" (although I am assuming this is not
the case with Abelard -- LOL!).  I spent a lot of time in the water because
I was a waterfront director and counselor, swim instructor, lifeguard, etc.
The worst source for me was unchlorinated lake water, so I learned to be
*very* careful about using alcohol after swimming.

Ear mites would be a good guess as to a source for the problem in cats, but
that should be easy for a competent vet to detect.
--
MaryL

RE: Cats & ears: Bootie has polyps in her ears which the vet is
leaving alone. But he checks her every time she goes.
She is prone to yeast infections in her ears. (I don't think this has
anything to do with the polyps).
He puts the otoscope in her ear, and her ear insides show up on a 20"
flat screen monitor!! So amazing. Ear mites
look like wicked creatures.

Sherry
Pat - 10 May 2008 18:09 GMT
| Ear mites would be a good guess as to a source for the problem in cats, but
| that should be easy for a competent vet to detect.

Abelard doesn't have ear mites. None of my cats do.
MaryL - 10 May 2008 18:30 GMT
> | Ear mites would be a good guess as to a source for the problem in cats,
> but
> | that should be easy for a competent vet to detect.
>
> Abelard doesn't have ear mites. None of my cats do.

I assumed that since you have been to two vets.  However, the link I posted
might give you some other information.

MaryL
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 10 May 2008 22:39 GMT
> Oooo.....sounds like "swimmers ear". My son was so susceptible to
> that, the doc asked me to either put
> a drop of alchol in his ear after swimming, or to dry his ear out with
> a blow dryer after baths. It
> is *awful*!! I used to feel so sorry for him.

Ugh, I used to get swimmer's ear all the time as a kid. It was incredibly
painful. However, it wasn't an infection of the inner ear, so it didn't
affect my balance. It just hurt like hell.

I'm so glad I have adult ears!! :)

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Pat - 10 May 2008 02:29 GMT
I tried to feed him a little bit of soft food. He wasn't too happy about
that... I might try later with something else. At some point tonight he's
got to have a pill, and I'd rather not give it on an empty stomach.

The good news is he scrambled out of my arms and started heading for my
bedroom, I guess because he thinks that's where he should go to relieve
himself. Well, I carried him to a litterbox and he crawled inside, DUG A
HOLE, urinated (a lot), then turned around and tried to bury it!! He fell
down in the process, got litter granules stuck to his lips and went into a
frenzy until I calmed him down and wiped off his whole face.

Now he's gone back to sleep.
Marina - 10 May 2008 04:38 GMT
> He was navigating a bit better in the park and seemed to enjoy being out in
> "the wild" again. He stuck his front paws in a babbling brook. He responded
> to being petted by arching his back up into my hand. He had his tail
> standing straight up, and he head-butted me once or twice, lightly. He
> talked a lot more than usual, and the third eyelid is starting to go back
> where it belongs.

These all sound like good signs. We're still purring that Abelard will
be right as rain in no time.

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Pat - 10 May 2008 07:31 GMT
Late night update:

I got a pill into him, and a few drops of tuna juice. He went #1 and #2 in
the litterbox, then I put him to bed alone in the bathroom with a water dish
and tuna juice. I hope to see the tuna juice gone in the morning.
dberry@mitre.org - 12 May 2008 18:17 GMT
I'm glad that Abelard seems to be doing better.  I hope it is just an
ear infection that can be cured with antibiotics.  Purrs and positive
thoughts continue.  Keep us updated.

Debbie

> Late night update:
>
> I got a pill into him, and a few drops of tuna juice. He went #1 and #2 in
> the litterbox, then I put him to bed alone in the bathroom with a water dish
> and tuna juice. I hope to see the tuna juice gone in the morning.
Christina Websell - 12 May 2008 23:50 GMT
I'm glad that Abelard seems to be doing better.  I hope it is just an
ear infection that can be cured with antibiotics.

There's a big difference in ear infections.  If it remains in the outer ear
it's fairly easy to deal with, if it gets into the inner ear it's a whole
different ball game.  It can even start up in the inner ear like the
vestibular syndrome I spoke about before.
An inner ear problem will cause severe balance problems,  nausea( which is
why they won't eat) and neurological signs like eye-flicking. If a vet is
not clued up on this can lead to advice to euthanise.
It's always worth a go but they do have to be nursed quite intensively for
the first couple of weeks which Pat is doing and seems to be seeing
improvement.
They are rarely left without some slight impairment if they do recover, like
a head tilt or some wobbliness.
Sometimes they do not recover (but I hasten to add Abelard is showing such
improvement he will be one of the lucky ones)
This is from my own experience.

I wish someone had told me all those years ago, when my first heart dog
Pollyanna had a vestibular attack that totally knocked off her feet and with
eye-flicking.  I was persuaded by a young vet that I should have her put to
sleep because she'd had a stroke so I did.  I know now that I could have
saved her.  They DO NOT have strokes.

Tweed

On May 10, 2:31 am, "Pat" <just_a_ghost@in_this_house.com> wrote:
> Late night update:
>
> I got a pill into him, and a few drops of tuna juice. He went #1 and #2 in
> the litterbox, then I put him to bed alone in the bathroom with a water
> dish
> and tuna juice. I hope to see the tuna juice gone in the morning.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 12 May 2008 23:59 GMT
> I wish someone had told me all those years ago, when my first heart dog
> Pollyanna had a vestibular attack that totally knocked off her feet and with
> eye-flicking.  I was persuaded by a young vet that I should have her put to
> sleep because she'd had a stroke so I did.  I know now that I could have
> saved her.  They DO NOT have strokes.

Tweed, that's truly heartbreaking.

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Kyla  =^. .^= - 13 May 2008 00:19 GMT
<bastXXXette
> Christina Websell >
> > I wish someone had told me all those years ago, when my first heart dog
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Tweed, that's truly heartbreaking.

It is totally heartbreaking, I'm so sorry Tweed :(
Hug
Kyla
Christina Websell - 13 May 2008 00:30 GMT
> > I wish someone had told me all those years ago, when my first heart dog
> > Pollyanna had a vestibular attack that totally knocked off her feet and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Tweed, that's truly heartbreaking.

Which is why I advised Pat about the possibility of v.a.(an inner ear
infection will have a similar effect) and to try nursing him, which seems to
be having good results up to now.
You cannot always get them out of it though, but it is worth a really good
try for weeks.
I got several going again for ages years later when I knew more.

Tweed
polonca12000 - 20 May 2008 22:59 GMT
<snip>
> I wish someone had told me all those years ago, when my first heart dog
> Pollyanna had a vestibular attack that totally knocked off her feet and with
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Tweed

I'm so very sorry, Christina.
Lots of hugs,
Polonca and Soncek
Kyla =^. .^= - 21 May 2008 00:20 GMT
"polonca12000" <
> <snip>
>> I wish someone had told me all those years ago, when my first heart dog
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Lots of hugs,
> Polonca and Soncek

I too am so sorry Christina:(
Hugs and comforting purrs
Kyla and Mosey
Adrian - 10 May 2008 09:48 GMT
> We're just back from the (other) vet. Stopped in a nice park en route
> to let Aby have a pee. (He also peed on the floor in the vet office,
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> but maybe he didn't
> :(

I'm so glad he's improving, more purrs for Abelard's recovery.
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Irulan - 10 May 2008 17:30 GMT
wow, that sounds good, Pat. We are still purring and
praying mightily for Abelard. God bless.

Lily & her mama

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> We're just back from the (other) vet. Stopped in a nice park en route to
> let
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> maybe he didn't
> :(
Lesley - 10 May 2008 18:47 GMT
> Hard to understand how Dr. Johnson missed the ear thing yesterday.... but
> maybe he didn't
> :(

Fugazi (RB) developed an ear infection- she also couldn't stand up
straight and kept falling over . The vet we had at the time treated
her and she was fine within a few days- sadly the vet when she started
to have similar problems a few years later despite our insistance that
this wasn't quite the same problem and was a lot worse and had come on
suddenly told us it was the same problem and we should wait a few more
days and have her fitted in as a routine appointment he didn't think
it was an emergency

By the next morning she was so bad we had to use another vet because
ours was insisting there wasn't anything wrong apart from a relapse of
a problem she had had 3 years before so we could wait until an
appointement 2 days later
I took her into the  other vets at 5.45 convincing myself my vet knew
what he was talking about, we're just panicking and this vet will give
her the antibiotics she had before maybe in a stronger dose since she
seems worse
I sent her over the Bridge at 6.10 because this wasn't an ear
infection it was cancer

But anyway ear infections can explain Abelards symptoms so I hope he;s
better soom

Lesley

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polonca12000 - 20 May 2008 22:58 GMT
> We're just back from the (other) vet. Stopped in a nice park en route to let
> Aby have a pee. (He also peed on the floor in the vet office, and on one of
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> maybe he didn't
> :(

Lots and lots of purrs and best wishes,
Polonca and Soncek
 
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