Bear with me please; this may take a bit...
When i began my job i was in one of four offices the owner has. With some
small expansion, and a growing need for my services, I started first trading
time between the law office and the pre-litigation collection office,
eventually transferring full-time to the pre-litigation office. I had a good
friend at the law office, with whom i went to lunch almost every day and
talked a lot with her outside of work. Her husband works at the location I'm
at now.
EArlier this week the husband came in and took a man aside into the office
next to mine. Through the walls I heard him--the husband--ask the other guy
if he knew of either a good divorce lawyer, or someone who would "whack" his
wife on the cheap, saying he could no longer live with her but he'd do her
some damage if she left. For two solid hours he walked about the office
complaing about my friend and was dropping the C-word--you know what I mean,
especially you ladies--so frequently and so loudly that I made a complaint to
the boss, a man whom I loathe unquestioningly. I told him that this was
creating a hostile work atmosphere, that it was an abusive and offensive term,
that I was not above contacting my own legal advocate and he had best address
the matter with the male employees in general and the specific man in
particular.
Later my friend told me her husband had beaten the Christ out of her the
night before. And after I complained, i heard the manager and the husband in
the front office laughing about the C-bombs previously dropped.
The next day the husband was saying that my a.s was his because i had given
his wife the phone numbers to pet-friendly apartments and a realtor friend of
mine, as well as for emergency assistance to people in domestic violence
situations. While he was talking to co-workers about finding a way to get me
removed from the office, I can't help wondering if this may include a threat
against me physically.
I have not been able to get in touch with the owner.
The good news is that, not two hours after I gave her the phone numbers and
told her how to negotiate with a landlord about keeping her little dog (I had
done this many a time with Fritzie, before getting the house) she found a
place where she and Woman's Best Friend can live without getting beat on.
My conscience would not allow me to say to a friend in such a situation, "Gee,
i can't help you because of work." Conflict of interest be damned. I'd been
beaten on, I lived my life getting beaten until I came to the city. I'll be
damned if I don't help a person get out of it when they come to me asking for
help.
The owner and his lackeys are a collective bunch of dicks. The fact of the
matter is, the husband is a moneymaker in a collection office. I am a schmuck
who puts payment authorisations on a recorded line to keep within compliance
laws. I don't make money for them, I cost them; anyone can do a two-m inute
recording when a payment comes in, they just don't want to because it doesn't
credit phone time to a collector and they want to be making money, not
recorded payment authorisations. If push comes to shove, and I'm afraid it
might, they may sacrifice me for the moneymaker, and then what do i put on my
unemployment claim and job applications?
Better fired than another woman get beaten, though, and if this is why my
karma was to work in this place I am satisfied with the result. She's safe,
thank God.
Blessed be,
Baha
tanadashoes - 02 May 2008 03:20 GMT
1. Fair labor laws. Talk to a lawyer about your position.
2. Contact the police and file a report about the whole situation. It
can/will help if you have further problems with these two dorks. See Judge
Judy about this sort of thing. She always asks if the plaintiff filed a
police report. If you feel a need to, let the company know that you have
filed a report and that you will not tolerate being harassed or fired
because of this. At the very least they will have to become more creative
in firing you.
3. Don't blame yourself for these two dorks in action. They are dorks.
Enough said. Thank you for getting that woman out before the scum bucket
kills her. Make sure she knows that it is always a big mistake to go back
to the abuser.
4. What does Louie say about this? He seems to have a good head on his
shoulders.
5. Purrs and good thoughts and wishes to you and the lady in question. I
hope this works out. I hate the "C" word. It is so crude and
unconscionable to use.
Pam S. wishing you all the best.
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> Blessed be,
> Baha
Joy - 02 May 2008 08:06 GMT
6. Look for another job.

Signature
Joy
Blessed are the PURR in Heart!
> 1. Fair labor laws. Talk to a lawyer about your position.
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>> Blessed be,
>> Baha
Matthew - 02 May 2008 17:55 GMT
agree 100% but call police first even joking a threat like that is a
felony you can get a restraining order against him for threats like that
PROTECT YOURSELF BIG TIME PAM
> 1. Fair labor laws. Talk to a lawyer about your position.
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>> Blessed be,
>> Baha
jmcquown - 03 May 2008 17:25 GMT
> 1. Fair labor laws. Talk to a lawyer about your position.
>
> 2. Contact the police and file a report about the whole situation. It
> can/will help if you have further problems with these two dorks. See
> Judge Judy about this sort of thing. She always asks if the
> plaintiff filed a police report.
Some people scoff at Judge Judy but she's right on the money about this one.
She'll ask and when told no, no police report, usually says, "Then the
situation couldn't have been that bad, could it?" Heck, if I can file a
report about a wallet having been left in my mailbox, you can certainly file
a report about an a.s at the office making threatening statements to you.
Then there will be a record of it.
Even if you don't feel there's a real physical threat, sounds to me like the
man threatened to cause you to lose your job. He has absolutely no right to
conspire with the other dickhead to make this happen, particularly since he
dragged his personal life into the office.
Jill
>> The next day the husband was saying that my a.s was his because i had
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Jo Firey - 04 May 2008 00:08 GMT
>> 1. Fair labor laws. Talk to a lawyer about your position.
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> Jill
Just want to add, if you are thinking the police won't take you seriously.
Given how brazen this guy is, I can almost guarantee you he has a record.
Even if your report does nothing else, it will bring him to the forefront
of attention with local law enforcement. (His record may very well be in
another town or state)
As far a him being a money maker for the company. He has a pretty
sensitive job as it is. Collections are regulated. To be 'good' at it
someone is often already skirting the law on threatening people.
Which is usually just fine with the company owner, right up to the point
where the collector oversteps and gets them sued. Even if the owner is a
lawyer, he won't want to deal with lawsuits or threats of lawsuits or
complaints with the labor department. Its much easier to get rid of this
nut case and hire another SOB to do the job. They really are a dime a
dozen and they do get arrogant and out of line and have to be replaced
fairly often.
Jo
Steve Touchstone - 04 May 2008 03:53 GMT
>1. Fair labor laws. Talk to a lawyer about your position.
>
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>hope this works out. I hate the "C" word. It is so crude and
>unconscionable to use.
I'm in agreement with all the above, and those that said to see about
a restraining order.
Whether the jerk was talking about physical violence or just
threatening your job, neither should be tolerated.
Purrs and hugs coming for you, and your friend
--
Steve Touchstone
Little Bit, Sammy, Spotty, Princess, Furby
and Rocky (RB)
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Baha - 14 May 2008 01:25 GMT
>1. Fair labor laws. Talk to a lawyer about your position.
Many thanks to you and everyone. Now the question is, Douchebag Hubby didn't
say my tuchas was his right to my face; he said it to the guy he asked about
getting a cheap mercenary with no respect for his wife's life. Can this still
count for the violence charge/?
Blessed be,
Baha
Matthew - 14 May 2008 01:33 GMT
>>1. Fair labor laws. Talk to a lawyer about your position.
>
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> still
> count for the violence charge/?
IN the US yes depending on what state you were living in
Here If I threaten someone ever through someone else it is called assault
and would be grounds for a restraining order and other repercussions
Stormmee - 02 May 2008 04:49 GMT
I am very proud of you, not sure what I would have done but you did right,
and I would put that right on the form as you have written it here, only a
little more "proper" and if you do get fired sue the crap out of them, it
don't get much more hostile than this, Lee
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Yowie - 02 May 2008 05:17 GMT
> Bear with me please; this may take a bit...
<snip horrific story>
> Better fired than another woman get beaten, though, and if this is
> why my karma was to work in this place I am satisfied with the
> result. She's safe, thank God.
Yup, thats excatly what I'd do. I'd also put in complaints to every known
orgnaisation about the sexism and the threats of violence in that workplace.
And get an AVO on the husband for both you & your friend ASAP.
Also, report it to the poilice that you overheard someone trying to solicit
someone else for murder, because thats what you overheard.
And then get the heck out of htere if you can.
Kudos to you, you are very brave.
Yowie
Bobblespin - 02 May 2008 13:34 GMT
> Also, report it to the poilice that you overheard someone trying to
solicit
> someone else for murder, because thats what you overheard.
>
> And then get the heck out of htere if you can.
Definitely file a police report - he may kill her or harm her yet, even
if she moved out. (This happened with my MIL.) That way the police will
have reason to investigate him if she disappears, or dies a "natural" or
"accidental" death. Wouldn't want that b****rd get away with it.
I also agree with the others... time to find another job.
Bobble
Jo Firey - 02 May 2008 06:17 GMT
> Bear with me please; this may take a bit...
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> safe,
> thank God.
There is no way on God's Green Earth you should have to tolerate this.
I'm not a huge advocate of lawsuits, but your place of employment certainly
has a huge one coming.
The rules are (and I suspect you already know them) document everything.
And find a good lawyer.
Be absolutely honest on an unemployment claim. Job applications may
require more tact.
Jo
Flippy - 02 May 2008 08:26 GMT
Yep, that is exactly what I would want to do. Thank you for being so brave.
Hugs,
Flippy.
> Bear with me please; this may take a bit...
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> Blessed be,
> Baha
Lesley - 02 May 2008 08:58 GMT
>Bear with me please; this may take a bit...
I'm proud of you for doing the right thing
As for the a**holes- check your employment rights- keep records of everything-
sit down now and write out everything that was said then sue the bunch of C-
words!
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Daniel Mahoney - 02 May 2008 14:01 GMT
I'd say the first step would be to pay a visit to the local police. "Your
a.s is mine" could most definitely be interpreted as a threat. The police
won't be able to do anything about it, but if you can find an officer
willing to at least take your statement then you'll be able to tell the
a**hole that the police have a complaint against him, should he ever
confront you again. It could also help the (soon-to-be ex)wife if he ever
gets physically violent with her again.
The next step might be to contact a decent workplace attorney. There is no
way on Bast's green earth you or anyone else should have to put up with
that kind of crap.
You did the right thing.
Dan
Granby - 02 May 2008 15:30 GMT
Your only trouble may be if the wife decides to forgive and forget. This
often happens in these kind of cases. You may need to look about a
restraining order against if he pulls anything else. No, as has been said,
you shouldn't have to take this kind of treatment.
> I'd say the first step would be to pay a visit to the local police. "Your
> a.s is mine" could most definitely be interpreted as a threat. The police
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hopitus - 02 May 2008 17:37 GMT
> Bear with me please; this may take a bit...
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> Blessed be,
> Baha
Since you ask....oh, I believe I woulda been outa there, never to
return, during the
discussion of hired gun offing nasty dude's DW for the right price. I
came from and
still live in similar digs locations where such unpleasant happenings
are in the
local news every day. I would not have involved myself in this
scenario but I am
not and have never been a crusader, and follow *my* belief in the #1
basic instinct.
CatNipped - 02 May 2008 22:01 GMT
Unfortunately I don't have any good advice except to agree with Pam and tell
you to file a police report. Just overhearing threats of violence is enough
justification for that. Purrs on the way that you'll find your way out of
the horrid situation quickly - and purrs that your friend (and you) stay
safe.
Hugs,
CatNipped
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> Blessed be,
> Baha
Yowie - 02 May 2008 22:21 GMT
> Unfortunately I don't have any good advice except to agree with Pam
> and tell you to file a police report. Just overhearing threats of
> violence is enough justification for that. Purrs on the way that
> you'll find your way out of the horrid situation quickly - and purrs
> that your friend (and you) stay safe.
It wasn't so much "overhearing a threat of violence" so much as both:
a) overhearing someone attempting to contract another to murder, yes
*MURDER*, their wife for a fee, and
b) a direct threat to Baha, as in "your assis mine".
Dunno what the law is like over there, but there is a law here that makes it
illegal to even attempt to make such arrangements for murder-for-a-fee (he
already has a history of violence), and just *threatening* someone is
illegal here too (verbal assault at the very least).
The law here is also such that if the bucketscum does actually manage to get
his wife 'eliminated' and Baha *doesn't* report such a conversation, she may
well be considered 'aiding and abetting'.
Go to the police ASAP, get an AVO (apprehended violence order, ie, this
bottom feeder can'tgo near you) ASAP and talk to a lawyer ASAP
Yowie
CatNipped - 02 May 2008 22:48 GMT
>> Unfortunately I don't have any good advice except to agree with Pam
>> and tell you to file a police report. Just overhearing threats of
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> Yowie
Yep, the law here is pretty much the same. I think we'd call it a
"Restraining Order" though to keep someone a certain distance away from you
at all times.
Hugs,
CatNipped
Matthew - 03 May 2008 00:10 GMT
>>> Unfortunately I don't have any good advice except to agree with Pam
>>> and tell you to file a police report. Just overhearing threats of
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> CatNipped
Again this might start some arguments but people like who Pam is dealing
with is why I make mom carry a gun plus mace and why I carry both at all
times.
Yes it is a restraining order simple to get
Pam also call a lawyer
hopitus - 03 May 2008 01:42 GMT
> >>> Unfortunately I don't have any good advice except to agree with Pam
> >>> and tell you to file a police report. Just overhearing threats of
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Matt it is not Pam it's that BahaBlessed
Matthew - 03 May 2008 01:52 GMT
On May 2, 5:10 pm, "Matthew" <Iamacatsl...@proudtoserve.com> wrote:
> "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote in message
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Matt it is not Pam it's that BahaBlessed
Thanks Sorry about that I have never been good at names sorry Pam and
Baha
I am old I can blame that ;-)
tanadashoes - 03 May 2008 23:59 GMT
> Thanks Sorry about that I have never been good at names sorry Pam and
> Baha
> I am old I can blame that ;-)
If I can't get away with it, you can't either.
Pam S.
tanadashoes - 03 May 2008 23:58 GMT
> Again this might start some arguments but people like who Pam is dealing
> with is why I make mom carry a gun plus mace and why I carry both at all
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> Pam also call a lawyer
Uh, Matthew, I'm doing fine. It's Baha who's dealing with dangerous
jerkwads. My worst problem right now is trying to figure out what gas is
going to cost me next month when we go to Kentucky, Indiana, possibly
Illinois and Iowa, Ohio, West Virginia, Virginia and back home again next
month. I'm going on the guess of $4.00/gallon gas, but Rob and the kids
think I'm an optimist.
Pam S.
Kajikit - 02 May 2008 23:03 GMT
>Bear with me please; this may take a bit...
(snip)
>Later my friend told me her husband had beaten the Christ out of her the
>night before. And after I complained, i heard the manager and the husband in
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>I have not been able to get in touch with the owner.
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You've helped the woman... great... now you need to protect YOURSELF!
The guy made physical threats against you - report them to the police
and get it on official record asap. That way if the jerk decides to
get physical something can be done. You should also see if you can
persuade his wife to press charges against him - NOBODY should get
away with abusing someone. Tell the police that he was talking long
and loud about having someone kill his wife for him - I'm sure they'd
love to hear that...
And personally, I'd be out of that workplace like yesterday. It sounds
like a vile place to work...
jmcquown - 03 May 2008 17:19 GMT
> The owner and his lackeys are a collective bunch of dicks. The fact
> of the matter is, the husband is a moneymaker in a collection office.
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> Blessed be,
> Baha
First off, document, document, document. If you get fired they will surely
claim it was something you did. Or they will try to make things so
unpleasant they force you to quit. Some folks are soooo good at that!
Secondly, start looking for another job NOW. While I've always heard it's a
bad idea to bad-mouth your former (or soon to be former) boss or co-workers,
I think people are somewhat more enlightened these days. I'd be up-front
with a potential employer that the environment wasn't pleasant. (No need to
go so far as to mention the c-word!)
Lastly, if you do get fired I'd certainly consider litigation in this case.
And I'm usually the last one to say such a thing.
Good luck.
Jill
polonca12000 - 10 May 2008 22:14 GMT
<snip>
> Better fired than another woman get beaten, though, and if this is why my
> karma was to work in this place I am satisfied with the result. She's safe,
> thank God.
>
> Blessed be,
> Baha
Lots of hugs and purrs,
Polonca and Soncek