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Cat Forum / Cat Anecdotes / May 2008The more I see of people...
The more I love animals Rant starting Last night I enlisted the help of a friend to go for a beer and debate this job quandary I find myself in... We were about to go when this woman and her partner came in with a woman who obviously had Down's syndrome and was upset, the lady said she was wandering along the road alone and said something about going to a weight watchers meeting at a church with glass doors but the taxi driver chucked her out (One nasty piece of work). Well the barstaff said they couldn't do much because if the police are called from a pub, it gets noted and it could cost the landlord and landlady their licence so they have been told by the landlady not to unless it's a matter of life and death. At this point, the partner (second nasty piece of work) starts to insist they go home and somehow I ended up saying "I'll call the police from my phone" so me and Chris wait with the woman for the police to turn up. Surprisingly they were very quick and very kind and managed to persuade her to open her handbag (we had tried) so they could find out where she lived The third nasty piece of work was the landlady, Barbara, she came in, demanded to know what this was all about and exploded at me asking why I got involved , why I didn't (these are her words) "Just chuck her out and forget about it" and telling me if she lost her licence I was barred, she then got on the phone and at the top of her voice, told someone (I assume it was the landlord) what was going on, punctuated with such charming comments as "that silly b***h Lesley" then she sat behind the bar scowling at me I checked with the police when they were going and they had a word with her. Yes, if the police get called to a pub three times it gets looked into but something like this is not counted against the pub. I mean what could I do? Bow Road is not safe, it's a very busy road (we count it a quiet week if there isn't at least one minor collision- we've even had someone die in our front garden) and some of the side streets I'd hesitate going down myself at night.... What is wrong with people? Rant over Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Aren't animals lovely? Any other Pub's around? > The more I love animals > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Any other Pub's around? Plenty and she's always moaning how since the smoking ban they're losing trade. Trouble is, I get on very well with her husband and it's usually a nice place but she's always had a bad attitude and just lately she's been getting worse Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Lesley via CatKB.com kirjoitti: > Any other Pub's around? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs PMS?? Menopause??? :p  SignatureChristine in Laitila, Finland christal63 (at) gmail (dot) com photos: http://s208.photobucket.com/albums/bb108/christal63/ photos: http://community.webshots.com/user/chkr63 sounds like she needs some HRT, Lee > Any other Pub's around? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Message posted via CatKB.com > http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-anecdotes/200805/1 "Lesley via CatKB.com" > Any other Pub's around? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Sorry to hear this. PUUUUUUUUURS sent for the problem to be solved. Hug Kyla --going thru a bad time right now :/ > Sorry to hear this. PUUUUUUUUURS sent for the problem to be solved. > Hug > Kyla > --going thru a bad time right now :/ What's going on? SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ <bastXXXette > Kyla =^. .^= > > Sorry to hear this. PUUUUUUUUURS sent for the problem to be solved. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What's going on? Ohhh, nothing I really want to talk about here. But thanks. It's okay 'now'. So not to worry. Hug Kyla Sorry tale of inhuamnity towards fellow man snipped.. > What is wrong with people? They are selfish. Time to find another pub and to make sure the folk running the pub you are leaving know why. > Rant over It was a justified rant. > Lesley > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs "wafflycat" <> > Sorry tale of inhuamnity towards fellow man snipped.. > >> What is wrong with people? > > They are selfish. Yes, yes they are and shame on them :/ Time to find another pub and to make sure the folk running > the pub you are leaving know why. > >> Rant over > > It was a justified rant. Yes, yes it was. PUUUUUURS Kyla --having a rotten day myself >> Lesley >> >> Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > The more I love animals > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs At least you know you did the right thing Lesley, good for you. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >At least you know you did the right thing Lesley, good for you. It's not a matter of the "right thing"- it's what anybody should have done if they have the remotest claim to being a member of the Human race (By that standard, I am starting to think Humanoid aliens are amongst us already!) Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >> At least you know you did the right thing Lesley, good for you. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Does that mean the cats are going to replace us with humanoid aliens? SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk >Does that mean the cats are going to replace us with humanoid aliens? Do they care as long as the aliens feed them? :-) Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs problem is I think we are in the minority, I am liking people less and less these days, Lee > >At least you know you did the right thing Lesley, good for you. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Message posted via CatKB.com > http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-anecdotes/200805/1 I agree with you Lee, about people being mean to each other, in general. That so sucks big time. There are a 'few' nice hoomins, like yourself, out there and I thank God for the good ones. Hug Kyla "Stormmee" > problem is I think we are in the minority, I am liking people less and > less [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> Message posted via CatKB.com >> http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-anecdotes/200805/1 thank you I do have a nasty side but you got to go some to get me there, Lee Kyla =^. .^= <kyla.waterman@comcats.net> wrote in message news:cOSdnRzK8elbRYHVnZ2dnUVZ_ramnZ2d@comcast.com... > I agree with you Lee, about people being mean to each other, in general. > That so sucks big time. There are a 'few' nice hoomins, like yourself, out [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >> Message posted via CatKB.com > >> http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-anecdotes/200805/1 Same here. It takes a lot to get me really hissed off. Hug Kyla "Stormmee" ... > thank you I do have a nasty side but you got to go some to get me there, > Lee [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> Message posted via CatKB.com >> >> http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-anecdotes/200805/1 > problem is I think we are in the minority, I am liking people less > and less these days, Lee This reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend the other day. She is extremely sensitive to violence in movies and television shows, and won't watch anything that shows a person being badly hurt, where there's much blood, pain, torture, etc. She also can't stand to watch anything creepy or eerie, even if no violence is actually shown. She just doesn't like "dark" subject matter. I certainly have my limits for these things, can't stand slasher flicks, etc, but I am drawn to eerie/spooky movies and stories, as long as there's not a lot of explicit gore. I also watch cop shows all the time, so I see my share of post-mortem images, which are a bit disturbing, but wouldn't cause me to turn off the TV. You get the idea. Anyway, we were discussing this the other night. She is a self- confessed "wimp" and makes fun of herself about it a lot. So I said that the thing that really bothers me a lot, that I really can't stand even a little bit of, is animal cruelty. I figured we were just sharing our sensitivities, so she'd be sympathetic to mine. But she laughed. So I asked why she was laughing, and she said, "Because you can't watch animals suffer, but you don't mind watching people suffer." Aaargh. I'm so sick of having to explain this to people. This is FICTION. And they're my FEELINGS. I can't help how I respond to something. Why do I have to justify it?? So I said something on the order of this, but more diplomatically, and she then looked at me more seriously. I explained as well as I could why I'm more sensitive to animal abuse, all the while feeling like I shouldn't *have* to explain it in order for her to accept it, but if that's what it takes, then I would. She didn't apologize for being judgemental, but we got interrupted in the midst of our conversation, so maybe she will sometime in the future. Has anyone else had an interaction like this, where someone judged you because you can stand to see human suffering in fiction, but not animal suffering? What did you say to the other person? SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ <bastXXXette... > > problem is I think we are in the minority, I am liking people less > > and less these days, Lee [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > you because you can stand to see human suffering in fiction, but not > animal suffering? What did you say to the other person? I've had similar reactions from people. I can't stand to watch blood n guts and gore. Nor can I watch the ad with Sarah McGlaughlin about animals, it just makes me cry to think of all the abused and abandonded animals. I'm just too sensitive I guess. Hug Kyla > To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > I've had similar reactions from people. > I can't stand to watch blood n guts and gore. > Nor can I watch the ad with Sarah McGlaughlin about animals, it just makes > me cry to think of all the abused and abandonded animals. > I'm just too sensitive I guess. Ah, but *that's* acceptable - you can't stand to see any suffering, whether it's human or any other animal. Some people might think you're too sensitive, but others will consider your sensitivity a good thing, that you're compassionate toward suffering. But if you can watch people die, but not cats, then they think you're weird - or worse! SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ <bastXXXette > Kyla =^. .^= > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > that you're compassionate toward suffering. But if you can watch people > die, but not cats, then they think you're weird - or worse! Thank you for your kind words. Well, I am who I am...I hate to see people and animals suffer is all, and I don't care what people think about me for that. *shrug* I'm gonna go kiss my kitties now. (removes Chapsick) Hug Kyla >> I've had similar reactions from people. >> I can't stand to watch blood n guts and gore. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that you're compassionate toward suffering. But if you can watch > people die, but not cats, then they think you're weird - or worse! I don't mind violence against people when it's fiction but if it's based on a true story then I can't watch. Whether it's real or make believe I cannot stand *any* cruelty to animals. SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk Four different time I took retired dog guides into my home. When it came time for the PTS thing, I left the first one alone as I thought my heart couldn't stand it. I can still hear the nails of Magoo as she tried to follow me out the door. They said she lay quietly and accepted what was to be but I never left an animal alone again. Funny the heart, what you think you can't stnd you can't do without, knowing you did what was best for the other person/animal, whatever. >>> I've had similar reactions from people. >>> I can't stand to watch blood n guts and gore. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > on a true story then I can't watch. Whether it's real or make believe I > cannot stand *any* cruelty to animals. > Four different time I took retired dog guides into my home. When it came > time for the PTS thing, I left the first one alone as I thought my heart [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > think you can't stnd you can't do without, knowing you did what was best > for the other person/animal, whatever. I have always been there and held our pets when they were PTS. Charlie felt he just couldn't stand it. I truly believe I had the easier time of it, being there than he did waiting at home. The imagination is a terrible thing. Jo Sure is. >> Four different time I took retired dog guides into my home. When it came >> time for the PTS thing, I left the first one alone as I thought my heart [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jo I've not been with some of our cats when they were pts, but I have been there for most of them. It's a sad/hard/loving thing to do, but it hurts 'us' like crazy. Hug Kyla "Granby" > Four different time I took retired dog guides into my home. When it came > time for the PTS thing, I left the first one alone as I thought my heart [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> on a true story then I can't watch. Whether it's real or make believe I >> cannot stand *any* cruelty to animals. > I don't mind violence against people when it's fiction but if it's based on > a true story then I can't watch. Whether it's real or make believe I cannot > stand *any* cruelty to animals. I'm just weird- I read textbooks on forensic pathology and I find it interesting but not at all disturbig But show me anything involving hurting an animal and tears stream down my face. There was picture in the paper this week of three tabby and white kittens who had been abandoned- it wasn;t even that sad a story. they were taken to a shelter and homes had been found but I still had a little sob because I can't bear to think someone could have done that to those little ones If people say I prefer animals to people I always some "Some animals to some people and why are we having this conversation? Animals are people as far as I am concerned" Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs PS I am being served in the "Bells" and by Barbara- but they don;t need to chill my beer, she does that with one look in my direction > PS I am being served in the "Bells" and by Barbara- but they don;t > need to chill my beer, she does that with one look in my direction LOL SignatureAdrian (Owned by Snoopy, Bagheera & Shadow) Cats leave pawprints on your heart http://community.webshots.com/user/clowderuk "Lesley" <... On May 4, 2:48 am, "Adrian" > I don't mind violence against people when it's fiction but if it's based > on > a true story then I can't watch. Whether it's real or make believe I > cannot > stand *any* cruelty to animals. Me neither!!! I'm just weird- I read textbooks on forensic pathology and I find it interesting but not at all disturbig But show me anything involving hurting an animal and tears stream down my face. There was picture in the paper this week of three tabby and white kittens who had been abandoned- it wasn;t even that sad a story. they were taken to a shelter and homes had been found but I still had a little sob because I can't bear to think someone could have done that to those little ones Those B2%^a*&s!!! If people say I prefer animals to people I always some "Some animals to some people and why are we having this conversation? Animals are people as far as I am concerned" And you'reright. Animals are sometimes 'better' than people IMO. Hug Kyla Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs PS I am being served in the "Bells" and by Barbara- but they don;t need to chill my beer, she does that with one look in my direction > I don't mind violence against people when it's fiction but if it's based on > a true story then I can't watch. Whether it's real or make believe I cannot > stand *any* cruelty to animals. That's pretty much how I feel. There are some exceptions. I can't watch fictional depictions of an execution. If someone's about to be executed, I have to either look away, or if I can, change the channel. It just feels totally different to me from depictions of murder. Maybe it's the cold, ritualistic aspect of execution that creeps me out. <<<shudder>>> Also, I can't watch torture scenes. See? I'm almost normal. :) But for some reason, cruelty to animals *stays in my head*, for years and years afterward. I've been known to get upset about a movie I saw 15 years earlier. SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ On May 4, 3:19 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > > I don't mind violence against people when it's fiction but if it's based on > > a true story then I can't watch. Whether it's real or make believe I cannot [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ Heh.....no, you are totally normal, Joyce, if we all thought alike we'd be robots like the Cybers on BattleStar Galactica. I am normal, too,just not like you. Here's an example of what I mean...just came back from Big Lots near downtown MileHigh, one of my fave browsing bargain spots near where one of my relatives lives. While sitting in my truck carefully extracting a card from my wallet inside a cloth shopping bag, I noticed an older man eyeing the new arrival vehicles near me...saw him run over and wave something in face of a woman to my right getting out of her SUV who sidestepped him and rushed into the store. I thought, 'Ooookaaay, here we go, then." Slamming open my driver door and almost knocking the dude over, I hopped out (yes, hopitus hops!) with a big golf umbrella in my right (concealed by the door) hand only to be confronted by his startled but determined pitch for $. I waved the 'brella and said something' unrepeatable here and stomped into store. I stood just inside the glass door where he could see me to see if he was going to make for my truck. He didn't. Instead he had some little blond cowering inside her car's open window in less than a minute, LOL.Britney is not the only one who knows how to handle an umbrella. The law does not prohibit carrying unregistered concealed umbrellas in your vehicle. I hardly ever post anything here that I "hate' except the weather here, but bums hitting on me for $ is a big one, and that 'hood is notorious for them. I I could spend hours in big lots and, if whoever takes me there wants to, we usually do. I do a lot of craft things and that place is super for that sort of thing. I could also spend hours in linens N Things too so it isn't the price, it is the "stuff". On May 4, 3:19 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > Adrian <a...@bigfoot.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ Heh.....no, you are totally normal, Joyce, if we all thought alike we'd be robots like the Cybers on BattleStar Galactica. I am normal, too,just not like you. Here's an example of what I mean...just came back from Big Lots near downtown MileHigh, one of my fave browsing bargain spots near where one of my relatives lives. While sitting in my truck carefully extracting a card from my wallet inside a cloth shopping bag, I noticed an older man eyeing the new arrival vehicles near me...saw him run over and wave something in face of a woman to my right getting out of her SUV who sidestepped him and rushed into the store. I thought, 'Ooookaaay, here we go, then." Slamming open my driver door and almost knocking the dude over, I hopped out (yes, hopitus hops!) with a big golf umbrella in my right (concealed by the door) hand only to be confronted by his startled but determined pitch for $. I waved the 'brella and said something' unrepeatable here and stomped into store. I stood just inside the glass door where he could see me to see if he was going to make for my truck. He didn't. Instead he had some little blond cowering inside her car's open window in less than a minute, LOL.Britney is not the only one who knows how to handle an umbrella. The law does not prohibit carrying unregistered concealed umbrellas in your vehicle. I hardly ever post anything here that I "hate' except the weather here, but bums hitting on me for $ is a big one, and that 'hood is notorious for them. I The woman speaks the truth... I hate to shop, these two are on my very short list of stores I will actually enter, when I go it is torture, because DH likes to shop, I honestly always insist on a cigarette before we go in and have been known to carry a sandwich or apple in with me because between the two of them its like a day at Disney, without that hideous ride, Lee > I could spend hours in big lots and, if whoever takes me there wants to, we > usually do. I do a lot of craft things and that place is super for that [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > on > me for $ is a big one, and that 'hood is notorious for them. I Ummm, yeah, you are right. I think the only store you even half way like is Sams Club! > The woman speaks the truth... I hate to shop, these two are on my very > short [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >> on >> me for $ is a big one, and that 'hood is notorious for them. I >Ummm, yeah, you are right. I think the only store you even half way like is >Sams Club! I top you all-I've been to Lakeside Thurrock...once...never again Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Sam's has free food, and I do actually enjoy IKEA, but that's the only one, Lee > Ummm, yeah, you are right. I think the only store you even half way like is > Sams Club! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >> the price, it is the "stuff". > >> "hopitus" <hopitus@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d221cbf1-5b7f-4ce0-b183-a19b46871409@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com... > >> On May 4, 3:19 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > >> > Adrian <a...@bigfoot.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >> on > >> me for $ is a big one, and that 'hood is notorious for them. I <bastXXXette > Adrian <> > > I don't mind violence against people when it's fiction but if it's based > > on > > a true story then I can't watch. Whether it's real or make believe I > > cannot > > stand *any* cruelty to animals. Same here. > That's pretty much how I feel. There are some exceptions. I can't > watch fictional depictions of an execution. If someone's about to be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > <<<shudder>>> Also, I can't watch torture scenes. See? I'm almost > normal. :) I can't watch exection nor torture scenes either. > But for some reason, cruelty to animals *stays in my head*, for > years and years afterward. I've been known to get upset about a movie > I saw 15 years earlier. I hear that loud and clear. Hug Kyla I am a bit odd on this point, when I was a young child, third or fourth grad, I saw someone get killed, and another person forever damaged, even now in writing this I can hear the bones crunch and the gurgling breath... my brother saw the same thing he was five and sees perfectly and was closer... it made me realize time is short, it made me a bit hard on the exterior, but inside if anyone is nice or kind it melts me... and frankly that is usually an animal, Lee > > I don't mind violence against people when it's fiction but if it's based on > > a true story then I can't watch. Whether it's real or make believe I cannot [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ "Adrian" < > bastXXXette >> Kyla =^. .^= >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I don't mind violence against people when it's fiction but if it's based > on a true story then I can't watch. I'm sensitive to violence ATM, because there's just too much of it around. Whether it's real or make believe I cannot > stand *any* cruelty to animals. I'm the very same way! Hug Kyla > > problem is I think we are in the minority, I am liking people less > > and less these days, Lee [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > you because you can stand to see human suffering in fiction, but not > animal suffering? What did you say to the other person? I've learned such things don't usually lead to friendly conversation. Kind of like religion and politics. Rather like, I FEEL like an aversion to moths is perfectly absurd. But I also know a lot of other people don't FEEL that way. And disagreements about feelings are seldom constructive. I have feelings of my own that appear just as absurd to someone else. Jo > Has anyone else had an interaction like this, where someone judged > you because you can stand to see human suffering in fiction, but not > animal suffering? What did you say to the other person? Yep. I can't watch animals get hurt. The animal commercial with Sarah McLaughlin? Can't watch it. My mom is the same - has been for years. My brother and Nancy aren't quite a bad about it as me, but they're close. A couple of my coworkers at the last placed I worked in CA couldn't understand how seeing humans get hurt or killed in movies didn't phase me, but just the threat of injury to a cat was too much for me. How do you explain something like that? Maybe there is no logical explanation for it, it just is. Dan You are right Dan, it is what it is. People even in their pain can at least understand it but NOT the animals. It is usually because of people they get such pain. >> Has anyone else had an interaction like this, where someone judged >> you because you can stand to see human suffering in fiction, but not [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Dan You are SO right about that Granby. And YOU are too, one of the good people, IMO HUG Kyla --in tears "Granby" ... > You are right Dan, it is what it is. People even in their pain can at > least understand it but NOT the animals. It is usually because of people [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Dan > You are right Dan, it is what it is. People even in their pain can > at least understand it but NOT the animals. For me it's nothing so rational as that. I just get this feeling when I see an animal in pain, especially when it's pain caused by cruelty, where the sadness is so intense that I just go cold inside. It upsets me so much I don't even like it in fiction. (When something like that happens in a movie or book, I keep telling myself, "it's not real, it's just a story, this didn't really happen..." but it doesn't help that much.) I don't get upset because the animal can't understand what's happening to them. Actually, I think that could easily be as much a blessing as a curse, since our ability to think about how much pain we're in often causes us to dwell on it, freak out about it, or worry about it, etc. It would be better if they could understand why we take them to the vet, where they might experience pain, but on the other hand, it's better they don't know what's going on if they have to be euthanized, right? When I see a scene in a movie or read something in a book about a human getting hurt, I identify with the *person*. So I'm more likely to feel anxiety or fear, thinking of myself in that person's position. But if it's an animal, I go into "must protect this being" mode. I feel hurt and sad. I don't identify with the animal so much as with, maybe, another person who loves that animal, or with a parent who must protect their child. I think it's just my parental instinct kicking in. I have no kids, so I guess this is as close as I get. SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ <bastXXXette... > > You are right Dan, it is what it is. People even in their pain can > > at least understand it but NOT the animals. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > just a story, this didn't really happen..." but it doesn't help that > much.) I hear that. > I don't get upset because the animal can't understand what's happening > to them. Actually, I think that could easily be as much a blessing as > a curse, since our ability to think about how much pain we're in often > causes us to dwell on it, freak out about it, or worry about it, etc. > It would be better if they could understand why we take them to the > vet, where they might experience pain, Mosey knows when he goes to the vet, what to expect. but on the other hand, it's > better they don't know what's going on if they have to be euthanized, > right? I think you're right on that one. I'd die myself if I had to have one of mine pts. And I think it's best for the animal in question not to be aware of it, but having 4 cats, IDK. I'd let them say their good-byes. I just can't think straight on this one...sorry. > When I see a scene in a movie or read something in a book about a > human getting hurt, I identify with the *person*. So I'm more likely > to feel anxiety or fear, thinking of myself in that person's position. Yeah, me too. > But if it's an animal, I go into "must protect this being" mode. I > feel hurt and sad. I don't identify with the animal so much as with, > maybe, another person who loves that animal, or with a parent who must > protect their child. I think it's just my parental instinct kicking in. > I have no kids, so I guess this is as close as I get. You said it very well. Thank you Joyce Hug Kyla --who has 2 kids and 8 grandkids, and I never get to see them :( no kids for me and that was on purpose, and you might be right, I have little to NO maternal instincts, but when I see an animal suffer it deranges me, Lee > > You are right Dan, it is what it is. People even in their pain can > > at least understand it but NOT the animals. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ Well, I have 2 grown daughters and 8 grandkids, and 4 furkids. And that blasted ASPCA ad is on again and I can't watch it... Hug Kyla "Stormmee" > no kids for me and that was on purpose, and you might be right, I have > little to NO maternal instincts, but when I see an animal suffer it [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> >> To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ "Daniel Mahoney" >> Has anyone else had an interaction like this, where someone judged >> you because you can stand to see human suffering in fiction, but not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > McLaughlin? Can't watch it. My mom is the same - has been for years. My > brother and Nancy aren't quite a bad about it as me, but they're close. As I was just telling Joyce, I can't watch that ad either. Sarah McLaughlin has such a beautiful voice too and I did watch the whole ad once, about a month ago, now when it comes on, I have to hit 'mute' and look away. It just makes me cry. > A couple of my coworkers at the last placed I worked in CA couldn't > understand how seeing humans get hurt or killed in movies didn't phase [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dan Yeah, it is what it is. Thank you for being such a wonderful guy Dan:) Hug Kyla --now in tears > Has anyone else had an interaction like this, where someone judged > you because you can stand to see human suffering in fiction, but not > animal suffering? What did you say to the other person? My idiot sister (actually half sister, which comforts me for some strange reason) once told me that those who love animals don't love their children. She said that was because they spent all their attention on the animals and didn't have enough for children. I disagreed with her, even pointing out that they had a cat and a dog at the time. She let me know that she didn't like the animals and had them there only because the kids needed to learn to take care of something and besides the cat was there to catch mice (which idiot sister is terrified of). There are many reasons she is known as my idiot sister. I love watching crime TV, but can't handle NCIS or CSI where they show autopsy and gratuitous gore scenes. I also have a problem with the Sarah McLaughlin video with animals endangered. Some people need lead therapy. Pam S. I guess I feel fortunate that I don't know about this Sara commercial, and honestly Pam, why waste a bullet? Lee > > Has anyone else had an interaction like this, where someone judged > > you because you can stand to see human suffering in fiction, but not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Pam S. Yeah, it's a heartbreaking ad, for sure . Hug Kyla "Stormmee" > I guess I feel fortunate that I don't know about this Sara commercial, and > honestly Pam, why waste a bullet? Lee > tanadashoes <>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> Pam S. yes and I always, say, animals are always innocent, even killer sharks and rabid dogs, people aren't and for the most part I don't think adults are responsible for others, but my bible charges humanity with caring for animals, Lee > > problem is I think we are in the minority, I am liking people less > > and less these days, Lee [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ And right you are Hug Kyla "Stormmee" > yes and I always, say, animals are always innocent, even killer sharks and > rabid dogs, people aren't and for the most part I don't think adults are [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >> >> To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ On May 3, 3:53 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote: > > problem is I think we are in the minority, I am liking people less > > and less these days, Lee I find nothing strange about this... > This reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend the other day. > She is extremely sensitive to violence in movies and television shows, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just doesn't like "dark" subject matter. > And *she* was laughing at *you* for feeling bad and tearing up if you see animals hurting? > I certainly have my limits for these things, can't stand slasher > flicks, etc, but I am drawn to eerie/spooky movies and stories, as [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the idea. > You have in me one of those people who *never*, ever, forgets the fact that I am watching a film production using pro actors, etc. > Anyway, we were discussing this the other night. She is a self- > confessed "wimp" and makes fun of herself about it a lot. So I said [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > animal suffering? What did you say to the other person? > This does not, ever, happen to hopitus. I am convinced they can smell it, like animals smell 'fear' on each other in the jungle. I dunno what the opposite of fear smells like, but in the concrete jungle, they sure smell it on me....guess I don't have to "say' anything......LOL. > Joyce > On May 3, 3:53 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:> "Stormmee" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Some stuff got out of my post. Not important anyway. It boiled down to wit that people don't ask me to explain myself very much; LOL i wonder why. BTW *who* is this Sarah celeb who people can't stand to see with animals...and why? Does she have anything to do with that bald dude who eats bugs and disgusting fauna late at night. she seems to be completely off hopitus' radar screen. I sense no loss. Some stuff got out of my post. Not important anyway. It boiled down to wit that people don't ask me to explain myself very much; LOL i wonder why. BTW *who* is this Sarah celeb who people can't stand to see with animals...and why? Does she have anything to do with that bald dude who eats bugs and disgusting fauna late at night. she seems to be completely off hopitus' radar screen. I sense no loss. =========================== Sarah McLaughlin is a new age/pop musician/singer. She has a song "the Arms of The Angels" that is used for a commercial for people to adopt animals and to get them to donate to the ASPCA. The song is beautiful, the pictures used of the animals are not. It breaks my heart every time I hear the song now. And I LIKE Sara McLaughlin. Pam S. > Some stuff got out of my post. Not important anyway. It boiled down > to wit that people don't ask me to explain myself very much; LOL [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > who eats bugs and disgusting fauna late at night. she seems to be > completely off hopitus' radar screen. I sense no loss. She's a pop singer. Her music isn't too bad, but the commercial shows a lot of photos of sad-looking animals, scared animals, and animals who have been treated for injuries. Definitely too much for me to be able to watch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_McLaughlin > > Some stuff got out of my post. Not important anyway. It boiled down > > to wit that people don't ask me to explain myself very much; LOL [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_McLaughlin Well, thank you, Pam, Dan, you've explained it all. They don't show that commercial on the stations that show CSI, all I see is lonely beautiful (oxymoron) girls urging you to call some phone scam and meet your one and only by doing that - ROFL - or a wimpylooking male pushing 'male enhancement" pills they'll send you for free. Another ROFL. I still sense no loss, to each his/her own taste in music. And if you don't care for Eminem and Shakira.....okay by me. - or a wimpylooking male pushing > 'male enhancement" pills they'll send you for free. Years ago Dave and me had to close an ISP account after we both got seriously spammed- for some unknown reason all he got was spam about enlarging his breasts and all I got was spam about enlarging my penis!!!! If it wasn't for the fact that one never replies to spam I was going to email them with the comment "I have no problem with the size of my penis- but can you do something about the man attached to it?" Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs thing is I like them all, I haven't met much music I don't like and BTW if you ever get a chance to see him go, well worth the money... it was about six hours of good stuff, Lee On May 4, 11:16 am, Daniel Mahoney <d...@catfolks.net> wrote: > > Some stuff got out of my post. Not important anyway. It boiled down > > to wit that people don't ask me to explain myself very much; LOL [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_McLaughlin Well, thank you, Pam, Dan, you've explained it all. They don't show that commercial on the stations that show CSI, all I see is lonely beautiful (oxymoron) girls urging you to call some phone scam and meet your one and only by doing that - ROFL - or a wimpylooking male pushing 'male enhancement" pills they'll send you for free. Another ROFL. I still sense no loss, to each his/her own taste in music. And if you don't care for Eminem and Shakira.....okay by me. > thing is I like them all, I haven't met much music I don't like and BTW if > you ever get a chance to see him go, well worth the money... it was about > six hours of good stuff, Lee > Well, thank you, Pam, Dan, you've explained it all. They don't show > that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I still sense no loss, to each his/her own taste in music. And if you > don't care for Eminem and Shakira.....okay by me. So far as I'm concerned, ANYONE may listen to ANY music they like - just so they keep the volume low enough so I don't have to hear it, too! ;-) "Daniel Mahoney" < >> Some stuff got out of my post. Not important anyway. It boiled down >> to wit that people don't ask me to explain myself very much; LOL [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > have been treated for injuries. Definitely too much for me to be able to > watch. I agree, I can't watch it eitherm and Sarah has a beautiful voice, but her music is too sad for me to listen to. Thanx for the link Hug Kyla > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_McLaughlin >> She is extremely sensitive to violence in movies and television shows, >> and won't watch anything that shows a person being badly hurt, where >> there's much blood, pain, torture, etc. > And *she* was laughing at *you* for feeling bad and tearing up if > you see animals hurting? Well, *she* hates seeing that stuff because *humans* are being hurt, frightened, etc. I guess to her, that's legitimate. >> Aaargh. I'm so sick of having to explain this to people. >> Why do I have to justify it?? > You don't. Do not put up with snotty judgemental wanna-be-authorities. In fairness, this friend is not snotty at all, and is usually not a judgemental person. Usually if she does get judgemental, it's because she doesn't understand a situation very well. So there's an opportunity for me to educate. >> She didn't apologize >> for being judgemental, but we got interrupted in the midst of our >> conversation, so maybe she will sometime in the future. > Like, who cares and why is it so important what she thinks? It is important to me what my friends, who are people I respect, think. I don't feel like I should have to justify that, either. > This does not, ever, happen to hopitus. I am convinced they can > smell it, like animals smell 'fear' on each other in the jungle. I > dunno what the opposite of fear smells like, but in the concrete > jungle, they sure smell it on me....guess I don't have to "say' > anything......LOL. We're all different, aren't we? You're don't care what anyone thinks. I'm sensitive to judgements and criticisms. So? I have to admit I'm usually skeptical when someone claims not to care what anyone thinks. That's not personal to you. It's just that I grew up with a father who went on and on about how he didn't give a damn about anyone else or what they thought of him, how he was a totally independent thinker and did whatever he wanted, "let them talk", etc, etc. And yet, if anyone - including one of us kids - had anything negative to say about him, he couldn't ever let go of it. You'd hear about a slight he suffered from someone for years and years afterward. And I don't think he was lying about his feelings. I think he had no *idea* what his true feelings were. We're social beings. Most of us do care what our close associates think. I don't think that's abnormal. It hurts me when a good friend doesn't understand or seem to respect my feelings. So it's important to me to let someone like that know that their judgements affect me. SignatureJoyce To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ <bastXXXette > We're social beings. Most of us do care what our close associates think. > I don't think that's abnormal. It hurts me when a good friend doesn't > understand or seem to respect my feelings. So it's important to me to > let someone like that know that their judgements affect me. *sigh* I know what you mean. Hug Kyla > To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name. ^..^ > What is wrong with people? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs What's wrong with people is that they are, with very few exceptions, egotistical, self-centered, ignorant, evil, stupid bastards. Thank you for being one of the few exceptions, and doing the right thing. That's what I like about this group - so very many of the few exceptions gather right here. Dan count yourself among them, Lee > > What is wrong with people? > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Dan >> What is wrong with people? >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Dan Lesley, I also thank you for helping the lady. Someone helped me yesterday. I was working in my yard, stepped wrong at the edge of a ditch, turned my ankle, and fell down into the ditch. A man driving by stopped his car and asked if I needed help. I thanked him, and told him I was okay (my only injuries were a slightly sore ankle, and some scratches on one arm from having fallen onto a pile of branches waiting to be picked up by a wood-chipper truck). SignatureJohn F. Eldredge -- john@jfeldredge.com PGP key available from http://pgp.mit.edu "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria "Daniel Mahoney" < >> What is wrong with people? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > What's wrong with people is that they are, with very few exceptions, > egotistical, self-centered, ignorant, evil, stupid bastards. I totally agree! > Thank you for being one of the few exceptions, and doing the right thing. > That's what I like about this group - so very many of the few exceptions > gather right here. > > Dan I agree with that statement as well Dan. Dan, you are one of the good ones too:) Hug Kyla > The more I love animals > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Lesley Damned if I know-- these ones, anyway. Adrian's right, time to find another pub for your local snort. I wouldn't worry about being barred from that joint. You've been thrown out of better places than that! ;) SignatureTheresa, Stinky and Dante drtmuirATearthlink.net Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh >Damned if I know-- these ones, anyway. Adrian's right, time to find another >pub for your local snort. I wouldn't worry about being barred from that >joint. You've been thrown out of better places than that! ;) I very much doubt I have been barred- they're trying to sell the place and I am quite pally with the guy who is planning to buy it.(And his mum, she has one of those cat carrier on wheels things and thinks nothing of popping the cat in there and going to the shops with one of her three owners- she takes them to the supermarket to chose their own food- spoilt or what?!). I just have no plans to go in there if she's in there then I shall sample another local hostelry Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >Damned if I know-- these ones, anyway. Adrian's right, time to find another >pub for your local snort. I wouldn't worry about being barred from that >joint. You've been thrown out of better places than that! ;) I very much doubt I have been barred- they're trying to sell the place and I am quite pally with the guy who is planning to buy it.(And his mum, she has one of those cat carrier on wheels things and thinks nothing of popping the cat in there and going to the shops with one of her three owners- she takes them to the supermarket to chose their own food- spoilt or what?!). I just have no plans to go in there if she's in there then I shall sample another local hostelry Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > >Damned if I know-- these ones, anyway. Adrian's right, time to find another > >pub for your local snort. I wouldn't worry about being barred from that [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > Message posted via CatKB.comhttp://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-anecdotes/200805/1 I am sorry...your post was serious and justified but some of it is ROFL (apology). Where I live, 3 calls *in one night* from local bars (pubs) to the cops would be a quiet night...here they also fight in the bars and destroy stuff while doing so. Police record: Assault, disturb the peace, restitution for destruction of property... The other thing that struck me funny is the mental pic I have of that chick's cats in a carrier in the supermarket picking out their own eats, LOL. That sight would not be seen here.....how different our surroundings sound. Take heart that you are an exception to the cold-hearted who either ignored the Downs woman or threw her out. Did not mean to make light of your rant. >The other thing that struck me funny is the mental pic I have of that >chick's cats >in a carrier in the supermarket picking out their own eats, I've seen her doing it! She takes one cat with her (they have a rota) and she stands in the cat food aisle saying things like "Do you fancy some tuna? Or the beef?" and waits for the cat to give some sign of approval like a mew or looking interested before making her selection. Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Lee, you have to ell them about your dog guide who did this sort of think. >>The other thing that struck me funny is the mental pic I have of that >>chick's cats [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs just posted it, he really did pick it, and he also helped me earn a fair bit of money in college, he could pick a winning scratch off ticket most times, so when we had extra money I would go in to an unsuspecting clerk and lay a side bet that if I bought ten tickets, at least 7 would be cash winners, most clerks would take the bet, so DH would hold the book of tickets and when the dog would touch one the clerk would take the book and set the ticket on the counter, then when we had ten, we would pay and the clerk would put away the book then we would scratch then off, the side bet would be on the counter, I won probably 80 percent of the time, and that wonderful pooch had a real fondness for picking 50 and 100 dollar winners, it was great, Lee > Lee, you have to ell them about your dog guide who did this sort of think. > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > -- > > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com Wish we could take him to the casino, > just posted it, he really did pick it, and he also helped me earn a fair > bit [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> > -- >> > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com sadly he went to the bridge before we started going, Lee > Wish we could take him to the casino, > > just posted it, he really did pick it, and he also helped me earn a fair [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >> > -- > >> > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com Yeah, I know, was just a thought, he was just that smart. He could have posed for the dogs playing poker picture. > sadly he went to the bridge before we started going, Lee >> Wish we could take him to the casino, [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> >> > -- >> >> > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com correct, and to tell you the truth it often bothered me that a dog was smarter than I am, made me money kept me from getting killed and controlled his own weight, most dogs will eat whatever you put in front of them, not him, if he had eaten steak wouldn't tempt him, Lee > Yeah, I know, was just a thought, he was just that smart. He could have > posed for the dogs playing poker picture. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com I used to let my first guide dog pick out his food, I mean he is smart enough to keep me from being run over, I figured he was smart enough to pick out his food, I would wrap his leash around his harness, stand at one end, DH at the other, we waited until it was empty, then I would say, pick your grub, he would walk along sniffing careful not to touch the bags then sit in front of what he wanted, and bless his heart, after the first few tries, he would only eat one brand, and bless him two times it was low cost, so I gave him vitamins, Lee > >The other thing that struck me funny is the mental pic I have of that > >chick's cats [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com Awwwww, that is such a sweet story, thanks for sharing. So sorry for your loss of him :( Hug Kyla "Stormmee" >I used to let my first guide dog pick out his food, I mean he is smart > enough to keep me from being run over, I figured he was smart enough to [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> -- >> Message posted via http://www.catkb.com he was a wonderful being, he died way too early and tragically I will tell that sometime, Lee Kyla =^. .^= <kyla.waterman@comcats.net> wrote in message news:HcKdndzzwZMJR4HVnZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@comcast.com... > Awwwww, that is such a sweet story, thanks for sharing. > So sorry for your loss of him :( [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >> -- > >> Message posted via http://www.catkb.com I'm so sorry for the loss of your wonderful friend:( Hugs and PURRS Kyla n Mosey "Stormmee" > he was a wonderful being, he died way too early and tragically I will tell > that sometime, Lee [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> >> -- >> >> Message posted via http://www.catkb.com >>The other thing that struck me funny is the mental pic I have of that >>chick's cats [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Two things. One: I am not clear on who _owns/operates_ the pub. Is this landlord the one who operates the pub? Two: The cops sound great (as so many are) but they missed a great line. They should have told nasty-hag "Oh! We thought _you_ made the assistance call. Too bad you did not; we count those kind of calls in _favour_ of the pub" Andy thank you for caring, Lee > The more I love animals > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Message posted via CatKB.com > http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-anecdotes/200805/1 > The more I love animals > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Lesley I can't imagine how calling the police for help over something of this sort would count against them. For that matter, you would think having the police to deal with other pub related problems before they become huge incidents would be far better than waiting to call them once things escalate. Jo >I can't imagine how calling the police for help over something of this sort >would count against them. I checked with another bar manager and her opinion was "she's talking out of her a**"- there are certain circumstances where a bar is encouraged to call the police...for example, it's illegal for them to serve someone obviously drunk but if they don't go then they can call the police to remove them. Gather from Chris after I left two of the other regulars who were helping with the lady really told off the barstaff, not entirely fair as Barbara had told them not to make calls to the police but they also let her know that if I was barred then the pub over the road has recently been redecorated and might be worth a look..... Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >>I can't imagine how calling the police for help over something of this >>sort [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Lesley That sounds more like it. My older daughter is a bartender, and is very good friends with the police that work in her area. They would much rather clear out the parking lot 'before' blood is drawn. Jo > The more I love animals > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Don't know what's wrong with people, but this people thinks you done good. It's utterly heartless to "chuck out" someone in so obvious need of help. Sam, supervised by Mistletoe "Sam" < > Don't know what's wrong with people, but this people thinks you done good. > It's utterly heartless to "chuck out" someone in so obvious need of help. > > Sam, supervised by Mistletoe I totally agree and bless her heart for helping out:) Kyla >The more I love animals > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Slave of the Fabulous Furballs The trouble with people is that most of them are @ssholes. The rest have cats. >The trouble with people is that most of them are @ssholes. > >The rest have cats. That should be made into a t-shirt! I'd buy it! Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > The more I love animals > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > were very quick and very kind and managed to persuade her to open her handbag > (we had tried) so they could find out where she lived <snip> > Lesley > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Thank you so much for helping the woman! Best wishes, Polonca and Soncek |
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