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~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 24 Apr 2008 15:48 GMT
I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing yard
work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed out.  I
didn't want to call 911, so I tried to drive myself to the hospital.  I
never made it out of the driveway.  I used my cell phone and called 911.
Prior to this, I had the cats out in the garage and the screened porch.  I
thought I got them all inside (right when the pain started).  I ended up
spending the night in the hospital for some tests.  They couldn't find
anything wrong with my heart, but I have had pluracy in the past, so they
think the pain could be from that.  I was released yesterday afternoon.
When I got home, I started to do a head count b/c I had a friend and my
maintenance man stop by to let the dogs out.  My worst fear came true.
Oscar was gone.  (He's my little runt Siamese...  and my favorite).  I
wasn't feeling good, but I immediately cased the neighborhood calling out to
him...  and crying the whole way.  I then got in my car and drove two blocks
out to a busier road.  I literally felt like I was in slow motion b/c I was
so sick w/worry.  About 3 hours later, I was standing on the driveway
talking to my girlfriend on the phone.  I was in tears!!  Then I thought I
hear a Siamese yowl.  I stayed quiet...  but heard nothing more, so I
thought I was hearing things.  Stated talking to my friend again...  and
then I heard a mew.  I wasn't quite sure of what I heard, b/c Oscar doesn't
mew.  Then I heard it again.  It was coming from under my front deck.  I
walked to the side of it, called to Oscar...  and then, I saw one tiny brown
paw!!  I threw the phone down in the grass and called to Oskee again.
Slowly, I saw two paws, and then a nose with cobwebs all over the whiskers!!
Finally, Oskee's head popped out.  He mewed and mewed!!  I scooped him up
crying!!  I immediately felt all over him for cuts and bumps.  He was all in
one piece!!!  I can't tell y'all the relief I had!!  I picked the phone up
and my girlfriend was crying too.  So, that was my Tuesday and Wednesday.
Two days from HELL!!
And Oscar is just fine.  He's a little needy, and is attached to my hip and
lap!!  I've never been so thankful to God in my life!!!

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Matthew - 24 Apr 2008 16:23 GMT
I am glad everyone is alright

I have recommended in the past to all the members that you carry a medical
alert card and also a animal alert card so the rescue workers can call
whoever you have on your list and activate them in a time of emergency

On mine I have ATTENTION CAT OWNER IF I AM IN A MEDICAL EMERGENCY CALL SUCH
AND SUCH IF UNAVAILABLE CALL MY VET AT

>I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing yard
>work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed out.  I
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> And Oscar is just fine.  He's a little needy, and is attached to my hip
> and lap!!  I've never been so thankful to God in my life!!!
Joy - 24 Apr 2008 19:31 GMT
>>I had a horrendous two days here.

I'm so glad Oscar turned up and is all right!

About that chest pain - since the doctors didn't find a heart problem, you
might want to see a gastroenterologist.  I went to Emergency two or three
times with chest pain, and they couldn't find anything wrong.  Finally my
gastroenterologist said it was most likely esophageal spasms.  The symptoms
are exactly the same as a heart attack.  The pain went up into my jaw and
down my arm.

The doctor said that nitro will help with the spasms, but since nitro gives
you a horrible headache whenever you take it, he prescribed hyoscamine.  It
comes in small white tablets that you dissolve under your tongue just like a
nitro tablet.  If I take it when the pain first starts, that usually keeps
it from getting too bad.  If I wait too long, it may take two to get rid of
the pain.

Joy
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 24 Apr 2008 19:45 GMT
> About that chest pain - since the doctors didn't find a heart problem,
> you might want to see a gastroenterologist.

She mentioned that she had had pleurisy when she was younger, and the
doctor said that the pains are most likely from that. I'm not even sure
what pleurisy is - is it a lung disease?

In any case, it's scary to think there are other conditions that give
the same symptoms of a heart attack - I'd be freaked out. Oh, well -
better to think it might be a heart attack and get help, than to think
it's something much less harmful and *not* get help, and have it turn
out to be the heart!

Off to Wikipedia to look up "pleurisy"...

... and here's what they say:

 Pleurisy, also known as pleuritis, is an inflammation of the pleura,
 the lining of the pleural cavity surrounding the lungs, which can
 cause painful respiration (also called pleuritic chest pain) and other
 symptoms. Pleurisy can be generated by a variety of infectious and
 non-infectious causes. The effects of pleurisy can often be felt long
 after the condition has gone away.

So the doctor is probably right.

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hopitus - 24 Apr 2008 20:18 GMT
On Apr 24, 12:45 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:

> In any case, it's scary to think there are other conditions that give
> the same symptoms of a heart attack - I'd be freaked out
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>   after the condition has gone away. --
> Joyce

Probably best to leave it at that...don't freak but there are bunches
of
things that can go wrong in your chest cavity that only vaguely
involve
your heart, LOL. Most of which might make heart unconfortable but on
no account will make it stop. Here's an example; I actually knew two
people - not at the same time frame - who suffered this and spent
about
a week in hospital where I worked:
endocarditis - formerly know as "rheumatic fever" (don't have to look
*that* one up;
pericarditis  - inflammation of sac in chest cavity surrounding heart
and its big
blood vessels (those ugly hose things you see sticking out of it
everywhere)
just to name 2 that yeah, could kill you. This is very complicated and
only tests
can reveal what your *real* problem in there might be. Impossible for
us non-docs
to judge whazzup with chest pain, LOL.
The way they discovered I had really had a "heart attack" at work was
a simple ER
blood test that showed massive levels of an enzyme kinda thing that is
in one's blood
stream *only* and for a limited time following a "heart attack". The
hoomin body is
a wonderful, complicated machine so far duplicated artificially only
in segments. Treat it well.
and it will serve you well....
John F. Eldredge - 25 Apr 2008 01:55 GMT
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:45:46 +0000, bastXXXette wrote:

>  > About that chest pain - since the doctors didn't find a heart
>  > problem, you might want to see a gastroenterologist.
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>
> So the doctor is probably right.

I can also say, from first-hand experience, that arthritis can cause left
arm and chest pain that feels very similar to angina.  Also, angina can
cause pain at the shoulder and elbow that feels similar to arthritis (I
had a heart attack in 1999, and didn't realize that I was feeling more
than just arthritis until I started feeling pressure and aching in the
center of my chest).  Fortunately, my health is currently OK.

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~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 25 Apr 2008 15:21 GMT
> > About that chest pain - since the doctors didn't find a heart problem,
> > you might want to see a gastroenterologist.
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>
> So the doctor is probably right.

Yep...  and I had six doctors looking at my case, plus all the students.  I
had the pleurisy last July, so it's definitely b/c of that.  (I hope!)

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Jo Firey - 24 Apr 2008 21:20 GMT
>>>I had a horrendous two days here.
>
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>
> Joy

Those are wonderful little pills aren't they?  Though I chew mine.  Its the
only medicine I actually keep in the car.

I don't take it for my esophagus, but for shall we say further down.  I get
horrible and rather sudden abdominal pain, and most often it happens when
we are driving somewhere.  Those pills stop the cramping.

So glad Oscar is fine.  They seem to know how long to push it so we will
actually be grateful rather than annoyed when they come in.  Thought it
sounds as if is this case it was Oscar who got the biggest fright.

Jo
Kyla  =^. .^= - 27 Apr 2008 05:36 GMT
"Jo Firey" <

> "Joy" >>> "~
*LiveLoveLaugh*~"
>>>>I had a horrendous two days here.
>>
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>
> Jo

Wow, that is scary.  Glad you're okay.
Purrs headed your way from us
Hug
Kyla
PS Jo, how's your little granddaughter?
My little grandson will be 3 weeks old on Tuesday.  Wish I could see him.
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 25 Apr 2008 15:19 GMT
>>>I had a horrendous two days here.
>
> I'm so glad Oscar turned up and is all right!

Thank you!!  I'm still touching him and picking him up to tell him how
GRATEFUL I yam!!!

> About that chest pain - since the doctors didn't find a heart problem, you
> might want to see a gastroenterologist.  I went to Emergency two or three
> times with chest pain, and they couldn't find anything wrong.  Finally my
> gastroenterologist said it was most likely esophageal spasms.  The
> symptoms are exactly the same as a heart attack.  The pain went up into my
> jaw and down my arm.

Well that's what I thought it was.  I ate two Tums, took a Pepcid AC and
poured myself a glass of milk thinking this would stop the pains.  And yes,
the pain was also in my neck and jaw.

> The doctor said that nitro will help with the spasms, but since nitro
> gives you a horrible headache whenever you take it, he prescribed
> hyoscamine.  It comes in small white tablets that you dissolve under your
> tongue just like a nitro tablet.  If I take it when the pain first starts,
> that usually keeps it from getting too bad.  If I wait too long, it may
> take two to get rid of the pain.

Thanks, Joy.  At this point, I wish it was just nasty heartburn!!  I am
feeling better today tho.  The heaviness in my chest is finally gone!!

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> Joy
Sherry - 25 Apr 2008 18:20 GMT
> >>I had a horrendous two days here.
>
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>
> Joy

Joy, you and Laurie are scaring me. I was told the same thing. For two
years.
Stress tests, thalium tests, EKG's, sonograms, and  and I was
prounounced fine.
If the problem ever occurs again, demand to have a heart cath. It is
the *only*, definitive test that shows exactly what's going on with
the heart. With some people, the less invasive tests are just a waste
of time and give false security.
I would never, ever, go away satisfied with only the results of a
stress test, etc. IF the symptoms keep reoccurring.
Docs are hesitant to do angiograms because they carry risks of their
own, and they're very expensive. But without one, I'd be dead.
My cardio says, if it's not a vascular problem, nitro won't help. It's
curious that yours told you the opposite.
And again, I'm not trying to scare anyone. If you never had symptoms
again, your doc was probably right. But if they return, please take
itseriously.

Sherry
hopitus - 26 Apr 2008 18:13 GMT
> > >>I had a horrendous two days here.
>
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>
> Sherry

I usually make long posts but trying to quit doing that. Sherry is
*NOT* a
"worry-wart" and she is right on target, Laurie. If you have the
symptoms
again after physical exertion (say, active yard work) call your doc,
suggest
meeting him at some hospital that has a "Cath Lab" (a heart-related
center)
and persuade him, forcefully if need be, to get you into that Cath Lab
for
an angiogram (a very unpleasant IMHO but lifesaving (!!!!) procedure.)
I will
spare you the details of mine and what led to my heart attack but I
will
tell you this - before I worked in hospitals for a living, I, like
you, would
yeah - associate my chest pain with former pleurisy illness. But now I
know better: too long has passed since your pleurisy illness - almost
a
year....and second, pleurisy does NOT activate nor worsen with heavy
physical exertion, it is a lung disease, not a cardiovascular disease!
I also advise...the hell with what your neighbors think of ambulance
picking you up, we are not discussing trivial stuff here. Both Sherry
and I really would be gone if we hadn't had the only definitive
medical
exam that actually shows docs how your cardiac arteries are doing
their thing totally successfully......or not. I had a big fat heart-
feeding
artery totally (95%) blocked and *that* alone - only one - will give
you
pain you can't ignore. Would not be telling you this if hops didn't
care.
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 26 Apr 2008 21:53 GMT
>> > >>I had a horrendous two days here.
>>
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> pain you can't ignore. Would not be telling you this if hops didn't
> care.

Thanks, Hop.  I still don't feel up to snuff.  `Am so tired at night too.  I
bought over $1,000.00 worth of bushes and flowers to plant, but I'm afraid
to plant them!!

`Am calling doc on Monday.

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John F. Eldredge - 26 Apr 2008 22:43 GMT
>> I usually make long posts but trying to quit doing that. Sherry is
>> *NOT* a
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>
> `Am calling doc on Monday.

I would also recommend the arteriogram, based upon my own experiences.  I
have had one heart attack (in 1999), have had about a dozen arteriograms
since them, and have six stents in me.  Only the heart attack showed up
in the enzyme tests, and my stress test results have been ambiguous, at
best.  It has taken an arteriogram each time to determine for sure
whether I had a blocked artery or not (sometimes yes, sometimes no).

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hopitus - 26 Apr 2008 23:49 GMT
> > "hopitus" <hopi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:66d3880d-d4de-461f-a69d-
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> "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better
> than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria
LONG
You are too cool, John....I only have 2 stents after 2 arteriograms
(it is another
name for angiogram!). You understand what I was saying in my post, no
doubt.
I had my only M.I. while at work in a cardiovascular specialty
hospital where I
worked mainly in ER...have never had a "nuclear stress test" but know
very well
what the results look like on paper (what the radiologist "reads") as
part of my
job on the swing shift was to "hang" them on viewscreens for the next
a.m.'s
docs. They don't approach arteriograms/angiograms for accuracy -
nothing
ambiguous about them. Either it's all working.....or it ain't, LOL..
If you'll pardon
my bluntness, in a specialty place like I worked at, docs don't
"pussyfoot"
around....after that enzyme test in ER,  the cardiovascular specialist
doc who
ran the cath lab was on his way in, and I was zoomed upstairs to be
prepped
for the first cath. To add to my unease, I was well aware that I was
and still
am allergic to the contrast medium, iodides-based. You know how
unpleasant
the test is but I had an advantage over your first one...I knew the
personnel and
totally understood exactly what was going on....even after becoming,
shall we
say, "drunk as a skunk"from the heavy-duty trankie you are given i.v.
Thank you for reinforcing our requests to Laurie for cautious action
re her
chest pain. BTW, though retired, I still receive mags and radiology
news re new
developments lately since I quit working, and there are new CT heart
scans which
insurance companies are balking at paying for (they label
"experimental", LOL)
but are excellent at revealing much regarding diseased hearts and
accompanying
blood vessels nearby. The public is generally unaware of this
development, but docs
are highly optimistic about them.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Apr 2008 02:36 GMT
> I would also recommend the arteriogram, based upon my own experiences.  I
> have had one heart attack (in 1999), have had about a dozen arteriograms
> since them, and have six stents in me.  Only the heart attack showed up
> in the enzyme tests, and my stress test results have been ambiguous, at
> best.  It has taken an arteriogram each time to determine for sure
> whether I had a blocked artery or not (sometimes yes, sometimes no).

Has anyone heard of something called "Cardio Vision"? That's a brand
name, and I'm not sure what the product itself is called. You wear a cuff
just like one for getting blood pressure, but it's hooked up to a computer
that calculates the "pulse wave" of your... um, blood flow, I guess. I'm
not sure, actually. The result is something called an "ASI" (I now don't
remember what that stands for), which tells you how much inflammation
hormone you have in your blood. Apparently, at least according to the people
who sell these machines, inflammation hormones cause more damage to the
heart and vessels than cholesterol, blood sugars, and blood pressure. I'm
not saying I buy this idea, I'm just wondering about it, because I got a
test for this today.

I'd never heard of this before, but I decided to get it tested since
someone was doing it at the local health food store. It only took 20
minutes. Unfortunately, the result made it sound like I was on death's
door, so I'll be happy if people tell me this sounds like quackery. :)
I thought I might ask my doctor about it anyway. She might think I'm a
total fool, but it can't hurt.

My father had something like this several years ago, in a totally non-
clinical situation (he had just been hired by a company that makes the
machines, and they asked him to get tested just so he'd know what he
was talking about when he pitched it to doctors or whomever. Anyway,
the person who tested him told him to go to the doctor right away, as
it had found major arterial blockages. Next thing he knew, he had to
get a quintuple bypass... so I guess it's not all quackery.

It's hard to know what to believe, since so much of what we hear about
regarding medicine and health has profit as a motive. If there's not a
lot of money to be made on drugs or procedures for a condition, then
the condition doesn't get much coverage in the media, and nobody thinks
it's important. So, if someone's testing for "inflammation" in your
blood, is that a crock? Or is it true, but just sounds like a crock
because it doesn't make the official news?

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hopitus - 27 Apr 2008 04:15 GMT
On Apr 26, 7:36 pm, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:

>  > I would also recommend the arteriogram, based upon my own experiences.  I
>  > have had one heart attack (in 1999), have had about a dozen arteriograms
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>
> To email me, remove the triple-X from my user name.  ^..^

I never heard of this testing device but that means nothing as I was a
general
xray (routine, no specialty except mammography) tech and worked
mainly, as
I posted, in ERs. Upon researching this name-brand device and its
usage, it looks
like a specialized testing for vascular (arterial) *elasticity*
(stiffness of artery walls)
and other options limited to cardiac medicine, like blood infections
(inflammation).
This looks like it would be used by specialists in cardiology and/or
radiology as I
found it is an item in curriculum of cardiac CT/MRI at University of
FL, Gainesville,
which is a leading teaching hospital in FL....I have an old friend who
works in their
"specials" xray dept (has nothing to do with this item). Not quackery
i would say, at
all, just something that does not require radiology assistance/exams
as a rule to
accompany its use. One caution from me personally...if I were to have
this exam with
this device I would never have it done by someone in a health food
retail atmosphere
as you probably are aware, all sorts of goings-on in those localities
by people who
claim to be "whatever" and it is not their usage of device I consider
iffy, but their
*interpretation*! AFAIC docs are not gods (old hospital worker joke:
"what's the
difference between God and a surgeon?" Answer: God never imagined
Himself as
a surgeon! LOL) but a doc would be only type to diagnose my vascular
system
for me. Hope to have been of help, Joyce. Yeah, ask your doc about
this.
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Apr 2008 08:04 GMT
> Not quackery i would say, at all, just something that does not
> require radiology assistance/exams as a rule to accompany its
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> would be only type to diagnose my vascular system for me. Hope
> to have been of help, Joyce. Yeah, ask your doc about this.

Good point. I was found to have very rigid arteries and a "high"
risk factor for heart attack and stroke (with the choices being low,
medium, high, and already dead - OK, just kidding about the last one,
but there was at least one that was worse than mine.

My blood pressure was fine. My other numbers, such as cholesterol and
blood sugar, have been iffy for a few years, not quite bad enough for
medication, but definitely something my doctor and I keep an eye on. I
used to be quite healthy, but everything's gone to hell since menopause.

Guess I will ask her, then - thanks.

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Kyla  =^. .^= - 27 Apr 2008 06:09 GMT
<bastXXXette
> John F. Eldredge >
> > I would also recommend the arteriogram, based upon my own experiences.
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> blood, is that a crock? Or is it true, but just sounds like a crock
> because it doesn't make the official news?

Geez, this all sounds so scary.  I can't have anything tested because I have
NO freakin health insurance and can't even afford to
have my blood tested to see if my thyroid is okay :/
Ho Hum
Hug
Kyla

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Lorna - 27 Apr 2008 07:16 GMT
Joyce - look at this internet page and see whether this is the same:
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4648

I don't know about the 'Cardio Vision' but CRP levels can be checked by a
simple blood test - mine
has sure scared me!  "U.S. News & World Report" had a fairly lengthy report
several years ago about this inflammation.  You can just put "crp" into
Google and find enough to scare yourself silly.......
Lorna (Chessie & Nikki are smart enough to be asleep at this time)

> > I would also recommend the arteriogram, based upon my own experiences.
> > I
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> blood, is that a crock? Or is it true, but just sounds like a crock
> because it doesn't make the official news?
bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Apr 2008 07:58 GMT
> Joyce - look at this internet page and see whether this is the same:
> http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4648

> I don't know about the 'Cardio Vision' but CRP levels can be checked by a
> simple blood test - mine
> has sure scared me!  "U.S. News & World Report" had a fairly lengthy report
> several years ago about this inflammation.  You can just put "crp" into
> Google and find enough to scare yourself silly.......

What is CRP?

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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 27 Apr 2008 08:19 GMT
> Joyce - look at this internet page and see whether this is the same:
> http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4648

I think it is. And never mind my asking what CRP is, I read about it
on the site you posted.

You know, I've had an elevated "sed rate" for year and years. Doctors
never know what to make of it. When I've asked, they've said it was
probably an "unspecified inflammation". Great, now I'm finding out this
can be dangerous. I do have chronic lower back pain, so I always figured
that was the cause. Also, I do have herpes simplex. Millions of people
have that.

I am definitely going to ask my doc about

> I don't know about the 'Cardio Vision' but CRP levels can be checked by a
> simple blood test - mine has sure scared me!

The Cardio Vision machine just tests to see how flexible your arteries
are. It can't tell you what's wrong, and the woman who gave me the test
was right up front that she's not a medical professional, and in fact
I had to sign a waiver saying that I understood that she couldn't give
me a diagnosis. And she didn't try to do that. She simply gave the test
as a way to inform people of their risk level.

The only thing that annoyed me about the whole thing was that at the
end of it, she asked me if I had already given her money. Money? I was
puzzled. Yes, she explained, the test cost $35. What? I had not seen
one single mention of any charge. And I said as much to her. I was
polite and pleasant about it, and apologized several times, but no way
was I going to pay for something that appeared to be free of charge
until the very last minute. I don't know if this was an oversight on
her part, or if it was a trick to rope people in. And if it's the latter,
I wonder how many people are too "nice" or intimidated to refuse to pay
in that situation?

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hopitus - 27 Apr 2008 18:48 GMT
On Apr 27, 1:19 am, bastXXXe...@sonic.net wrote:

>  > Joyce - look at this internet page and see whether this is the same:
>  >http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4648
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> I wonder how many people are too "nice" or intimidated to refuse to pay
> in that situation?

> Joyce
Again, hoping to be of help: "sed" rate is a common test of blood to
see
if someone is in a range (it is a range, not a bingo-on-the-nose
"yeah, you
got it" type result!) that indicates they suffer from or are likely to
have
arthritis! There, feel better?
Now, I want you to know, if you don't  - and you sound as if you don't
- that
there are organized groups of medical professionals *as well as* NON-
professionals (which sounds like what you had doing your test) who,
for
about $35 a test, will "scan" and U/S and stuff which for about $150
or so
- their usual "do-it-all" fee....will give you a general idea of your
general health.
They usually herald their appearance locally in shopping centers OR
motel/
hotel meeting rooms (where they do the tests, not "herald" their
arrival)
by sending out fliers or mass mailings to residents wanting to know
their
current results of this or that test. Working in a hospital, I never
had any
interest personally as I could get just about anything except the most
expensive and/or dangerous tests done for nothing at others'
convenience.
Beware of this type medical testing....these outfits I speak of are
usually
long gone if you are mailed an alarming result, and some of them are
not
instantly revealing while you sit there....again, your doc knows about
these
people; it's no big secret, LOL. She will advise you.
John F. Eldredge - 28 Apr 2008 05:17 GMT
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 01:36:24 +0000, bastXXXette wrote:

> It's hard to know what to believe, since so much of what we hear about
> regarding medicine and health has profit as a motive. If there's not a
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> that a crock? Or is it true, but just sounds like a crock because it
> doesn't make the official news?

I don't know enough about this particular test to know how accurate it
would be, but it is my understanding that artery inflammation is
associated with the formation of blood clots.  The association of
cholesterol plaques with blood clots apparently involves the plaque
splitting open and releasing chemicals into the bloodstream that trigger
a clot.  This test probably gives a preliminary indication, but more
complex testing would be necessary to determine where the inflammation
was located.

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Kreisleriana - 24 Apr 2008 16:31 GMT
>I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing yard
>work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed out.  I
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> And Oscar is just fine.  He's a little needy, and is attached to my hip
> and lap!!  I've never been so thankful to God in my life!!!

Having dealt with last week's disappearing Stinky trick for about an hour, I
don't know how anyone lives with more than that.  That panic and
helplessness is an unbearable sensation.  Thanks Bast the little booger
decided to show you where he was.

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~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 25 Apr 2008 15:23 GMT
>>I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing yard
>>work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed out.  I
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> helplessness is an unbearable sensation.  Thanks Bast the little booger
> decided to show you where he was.

And amen to that!!!  (And God Bless Stinky)!!!  ;)

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polonca12000 - 28 Apr 2008 22:07 GMT
>> I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing yard
>> work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed out.  I
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> helplessness is an unbearable sensation.  Thanks Bast the little booger
> decided to show you where he was.

I'm relieved to hear all ended well.
Purrs,
Polonca and Soncek
Stormmee - 24 Apr 2008 17:45 GMT
what a true blessing to end a horrible 2 days, between you and Susan I will
never name a Siamese Oscar, Lee
> I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing yard
> work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed out.  I
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> All that I am or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother.
> ~Abraham Lincoln
Irulan - 24 Apr 2008 20:32 GMT
oh my god, what a scare for you and for Oscar.
Glad to hear that both of you are find. Please take
good care of yourself.

Lily & her mama

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> what a true blessing to end a horrible 2 days, between you and Susan I
> will
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bastXXXette@sonic.net - 24 Apr 2008 18:36 GMT
> I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing yard
> work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed out.  I
> didn't want to call 911, so I tried to drive myself to the hospital.  I
> never made it out of the driveway.  I used my cell phone and called 911.

[snip]

That sounds very frightening! I'm glad you're OK.

And I'm glad you found your baby!

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hopitus - 24 Apr 2008 18:41 GMT
> I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing yard
> work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed out.  I
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> All that I am or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother.
> ~Abraham Lincoln

Laurie, I love you dearly and we've been friends since I
got my first PC....back in the day when alt.cats was
sane, LOL...but please don't *ever* try to drive yourself
to medical care if you have something going on that might
make you pass out. That said, I join in thanksgiving for
your Siamese baby's "unearthing" under the porch. Once
in a long while, Rowdous escapes out onto the wooden
plank/rail entrance setup which leads to the stairs going
down only (we live on the PH level, top) and he is not so
mentally challenged that he can't realize that at the top
of those stairs, its a *loooooong* way down, and since
he has NO depth perception due to his blind left eye, can
usually be grabbed while still trying to decide whether he
wants to continue his escape saga. Every time this
happens, I realize cats are - as we all know - really
smart, as they seem to recognize being 3 floors above
ground, whether it's on a balcony, deck (as we have one)
or a wooden plank stairway with snow on it, LOL.
Hope you got your pleurisy or whatever it was taken care
of and feeling better.
outsider - 24 Apr 2008 20:58 GMT
hopitus <hopitus@hotmail.com> wrote in

but please don't *ever* try to drive yourself
> to medical care if you have something going on that might
> make you pass out.

I agree; very bad plan.  Very glad your ok and the little guy too.  I hope
they figure out what happened.

Andy
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 25 Apr 2008 15:25 GMT
On Apr 24, 8:48 am, "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" <nob...@myjunkaddy.com> wrote:
> I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing yard
> work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed out.  I
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> All that I am or hope to be, I owe to my angel mother.
> ~Abraham Lincoln

Laurie, I love you dearly and we've been friends since I
got my first PC....back in the day when alt.cats was
sane, LOL...but please don't *ever* try to drive yourself
to medical care if you have something going on that might
make you pass out. That said, I join in thanksgiving for
your Siamese baby's "unearthing" under the porch. Once
in a long while, Rowdous escapes out onto the wooden
plank/rail entrance setup which leads to the stairs going
down only (we live on the PH level, top) and he is not so
mentally challenged that he can't realize that at the top
of those stairs, its a *loooooong* way down, and since
he has NO depth perception due to his blind left eye, can
usually be grabbed while still trying to decide whether he
wants to continue his escape saga. Every time this
happens, I realize cats are - as we all know - really
smart, as they seem to recognize being 3 floors above
ground, whether it's on a balcony, deck (as we have one)
or a wooden plank stairway with snow on it, LOL.
Hope you got your pleurisy or whatever it was taken care
of and feeling better.

------

Thanks, Hop.  :)  I didn't want an ambulance to come b/c I was embarrassed
by what the neighbors would think.  At least I smartened up in the driveway
and not several blocks down the road!!

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kilikini - 24 Apr 2008 19:11 GMT
> I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing
> yard work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I
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> needy, and is attached to my
> hip and lap!!  I've never been so thankful to God in my life!!!

I'm so happy that you found him, Laurie!  I don't know if one of mine would
have hung around the house like that.  I would have thought they'd be off
like a shot.  You're lucky!

kili
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 25 Apr 2008 15:28 GMT
>> I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing
>> yard work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I
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> would have hung around the house like that.  I would have thought they'd
> be off like a shot.  You're lucky!

I know, Kili!!! I don't know when he got out, or how far he may have gone.
Just two houses over would bring him to Route 31...  which is extremely
busy.  The speed limit is only 30, but still!!

<<forever grateful>>

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> kili
CatNipped - 24 Apr 2008 19:20 GMT
>I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing yard
>work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed out.  I
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> And Oscar is just fine.  He's a little needy, and is attached to my hip
> and lap!!  I've never been so thankful to God in my life!!!

Wow, what a nerve wracking two days you've had - I'm glad everything worked
out in the end.

Hugs,

CatNipped
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ - 25 Apr 2008 15:29 GMT
>>I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing yard
>>work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed out.  I
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> Wow, what a nerve wracking two days you've had - I'm glad everything
> worked out in the end.

And thank God it's over, Lor!!  `Have been reading your posts.... `sorry I
haven't replied.  You're in my prayers tho'!!

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> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped
Adrian - 24 Apr 2008 19:26 GMT
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> And Oscar is just fine.  He's a little needy, and is attached to my
> hip and lap!!  I've never been so thankful to God in my life!!!

{{{{{{{{{{{{ Laurie }}}}}}}}}}}}
I'm so glad everything turned out OK, what a horrible experience.
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Sam - 25 Apr 2008 03:45 GMT
Good grief!  So glad everyone's OK (so to speak).

Sam, supervised by Mistletoe
Marina - 25 Apr 2008 04:42 GMT
>  and then I
> heard a mew.  I wasn't quite sure of what I heard, b/c Oscar doesn't
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> again. Slowly, I saw two paws, and then a nose with cobwebs all over the
> whiskers!! Finally, Oskee's head popped out.  He mewed and mewed!!  

So glad you found him and he was alright.

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Susan M - 25 Apr 2008 04:47 GMT
> I had a horrendous two days here.  On Tuesday afternoon, after doing
> yard work, I started to have chest pains. They got so bad that I passed
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> count b/c I had a friend and my maintenance man stop by to let the dogs
> out.  My worst fear came true. Oscar was gone.  

I'm so glad that both of you are okay!!

Susan M
Otis and Chester
 
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